You know, where you can use Linux to mean anything from just the kernel all the way up to the whole shebang including commonly installed apps, depending on the side of the argument in which you're engaged. Fact is, if it had been Win2K that had been compromised due to a third party script, none of the Slashdot zealot crew would be making your argument because they'd be too busy taking cheap shots.
Ugh. Can we please have a suggestion from someone who's actually familiar with their OSes, specifically NT/2000? I actually thought it was a pretty interesting question that was raised.
It was taken down at the beginning because of bad weather, or at least the router to it was. It was slowed by, as well as occasionally completely brought down later at various times by DoS attacks, by kernel upgrades, and by new hardware installations. It (or them, since a second "e-commerce" machine was added later) weren't compromised, though.
To the other poster who replied to me, there were quite a few ports available, with the guys there just starting with port 80 and maybe one other, up to a bunch of them by the time the took the machine offline. They'd introduce a new one every so often, see how that behaved for a number of days, then add another, observe that, and so on. IIRC, this was always additive -- I can't remember them ever turning off any services that they had previously used.
Ooo, 128-bit encryption, that's 16 whole BYTES. No one will ever break that...
Uh yeah, it's kinda important for e-commerce, ya know, maybe you've heard of it. Then again, since nobody uses Linux for e-commerce, maybe zealots like you really haven't heard of it.
We all know that the W2K machine that was "naked" on the internet had no problems at all. Nooo. Uh uh. And if they gave you that Administrator password, it'd be *fine*.
The Win2K guys posted the Administrator password, what's your point?
(Compare to the linux box. um... no, no comparison.)
No comparison is correct. The site running the beta OS got massively more traffic, yet still wasn't compromised like the LinuxPPC box was, even though I guess some poor souls out there considered it to be a release-quality version of Linux. Nice. Also of course, the original Win2K site didn't surrender like the original LinuxPPC site did, before shifting the contest to antionline.com to be unceremoniously broken into.
Don't give up your day job for the Improv, 'though I'll admit that your having a job would surprise me.
Sure, if you're the kind of person who needs cheap validation from others to help make all your decisions for you, even when you know deep down that the results are rigged -- I'm sure it must be wonderful. Party on, homes. Baaaaaa.
The reason why windows95.com is now called winfiles.com is because they don't concentrate solely on Windows 95 software anymore. Even if they only dealt with Windows 9x software, the name would still be outdated once Windows 98 came out. Now that they also list Windows CE and Windows NT software, it makes even less sense.
Also, the domain name windows95.com is still owned by (and still points to) winfiles.com, which is a service of C|Net. Furthermore, windowsce.com takes you to HPC.net, specializing in all things CE, and windowsnt.com is owned by noname.com. In fact, of all the combinations of windows(95|98|CE|nt|2000).(com|net|org), the only one owned by Microsoft is windows98.com.
In other words, please don't don't drag Microsoft into this discussion of Mr. Torvalds's newfound litigious behavior. There's enough FUD arond here as it is.
Seeing as people are paying thousands of dollars for a $500 check, I thought I'd take this opportunity to offer for sale not one, but two (!) checks from Microsoft to me. Check one is a $20 rebate check for Microsoft Encarta, and check two is a $100 rebate check for a Xircom 56K modem.
Bidding starts at $120, so lets see those offers fly! Papa needs a new pair of shoes!
Q: Has anyone who might even think of investing in this company ever heard of a Zero Knowledge proof?
A: Ummm...
Yes, it's a clever name, but that doesn't mean it's a wise choice. If the producers of "Frasier" decided to have an entire episode where the characters spoke in Ebonics "in commemoration of" Martin Luther King day*, I'd think it was clever as Hell. It would also be instant suicide.
Cheers, ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
* Replace Ebonics/MLK day with Spanglish/Cinco de Mayo, Sign-Language/Nat'l Sign Language Day, etc. I was illustrating a point, not trying to start a race war. I shouldn't have to explain this, but in these politically correct times...
Seriously, what kind of marketing wizard decided to name the company "Zero Knowledge". It sounds like a synonym for "Know Nothing." "Yeah, I know there are a lot of smart companies out there that we could work with, but that's so cliché -- we should team up with them Zero Knowledge guys!"
Maybe he's doing this in response to the people saying he was doing it for monetary gain, just to prove them wrong. What he's doing now doesn't indicate what was going through his mind in the past. Secondly, maybe he was doing it all along to grab his own 15 minutes of fame. His latest efforts could be evidence of that, if he thinks $2000 is worth the new round of publicity that he'll get for this. I'm not knocking the guy or anyone else who's donating to charity, but again, what he's doing now doesn't prove anything about his original intent.
On another note, a shady "charity" has a good opportunity to get themselves a quickie 2000 bucks: ZicoCare Charities, Inc. outbids everyone else for the check and names ZicoCare Charities, Inc. as the targeted charity, thereby getting back the money they put in, plus Mr. Chaney's $2000 in matching funds. Oh well, food for thought.
It's almost hard to remember that far back, but Netscape 4 (Communicator) came out in June 1997. Over two and a half years later, we're still wondering when version 5 will come out. For God's sakes men, it's a frigging browser. Ridiculous.
As others have noted, you can indeed use either a USB or a PS/2 connection for this mouse, but it should be noted that a serial-to-PS/2 adapater WILL NOT WORK with this mouse. So, if you've got an older system (like some of mine) which has no PS/2 or USB ports, and you're used to being able to using PS/2 mice via a USB-serial adapter, you're not gonna be able to use the IntelliMouse Explorer. (If you're really in need, you could always go buy a cheap USB card.)
That said, it's still a fantastic little piece of hardware.
For the sake of argument, let's assume that Microsoft unfairly crushed DR-DOS, although I'm not so certain that it is indeed the case. So, if not for Microsoft, then DR-DOS would have had a healthy spot in the marketplace against MS-DOS. If that was the case, then Caldera would never have been able to purchase DR-DOS for the chump change that they paid for it, because DR-DOS would've been a lot more valuable. If Caldera was really interested in owning DR-DOS after the fact, then it seems like it was to their benefit that Microsoft severely lowered its value so that they could buy it on the cheap. So Caldera was able to get DR-DOS at firesale prices, and then sued Microsoft for causing it to be available so cheaply in the first place. Does this seem pretty circular to anyone else out there? Gotta love lawyers...
Eroding the funds on which state and local governments are run would be a good thing. The government already has way too many incompetent people. It's a welfare system in and of itself. Go to any big city and spend some time talking to some of the people employed by the city. It's an effing disgrace. Eroding their funds and firing their asses would be a dream.
Maybe that way, disgusting incidents like Rob Malda rallying people to try to rip off MSN will be less prevalent in the future. Then again, maybe we should just have a culture where nobody trusts anybody else. Either way.
Nobody says that you have to take part in those deals. For the people who want to, it is a great deal. If they're going to be paying 20 bucks a month for an ISP anyway, which millions have been doing for years now, what's wrong with getting 400 dollars back?
Maybe you could also call up all the fast food joints and tell them to stop selling the items that "g0deatr" doesn't like. If it's not good for g0deatr, it can't be good for anyone.
When you're a Slashdotter who is both cheap and unethical, you can find all sorts of things to do to save money! Other favorite Slashdotter activities:
No tipping! Hey, nothing in the law says you have to tip. Screw the waiters, cab drivers, and bellboys of the world, this saves tons of money each year!
Free food! Almost every restaurant out there will refund your money if you say that you weren't satisfied with your meal. Well, "satisfied" is such an subjective term, and I know you're a hard-to-please guy, so go on and get that money back. Hell, combine this with the no-tipping and you're livin' large and eatin' free for years!
Free stuff in convenience stores! You've all seen those change dishes beside cash registers, and sure, most people just use them if they're a penny or two away from a whole dollar amount, but that's why they're the mainstream fools and you're a crafty Slashdotter! There's nothing that says you can't walk up to the counter with a penny and a Twix bar, then empty out the change dish to pay the entire difference of your candy. Also works for gas, condoms, and malt liquor!
So get out there, Slashdotters, and put your lack of ethics to work for you! Without a moral code, the only thing holding you back from saving hundreds, nay, thousands of dollars is your own imagination! There are just so many people out there and companies willing to trust people, and now's your chance to show them what suckers they are for ever having that idea. Go get 'em, boys!
I'm sure hackers think it is the best, since it almost unfailingly paints hackers in a positive light, but it sure as Hell isn't highly accurate or objective. It's self-congratulating to the point of being nauseous, filled with such gems as "Hackers often have a reading range that astonishes liberal arts people but tend not to talk about it as much." Garbage.
... other "companies" to jump onto the Linux bandwagon to "make a quick buck".
Hey now, you really shouldn't talk about Andover.net (NASDAQ: ANDN) like that, seeing how they're the parent company of the very site we're posting on. Shame on you!
Sure, they might be totally bogus, and no, I won't be sinking my money into them, but in the grand scheme of things, LinuxOne probably won't consistantly lose big piles of money like just about every other tech stock that has IPOed in the past couple of years has been doing(*cough*salonredhatxoomamazon*cough).
Yes, open sourcing it is better than killing it. You have no argument from me there. My point is that all this celebration is misplaced. I'm curious if anyone in this discussion was even aware of the departures of those three very key guys before I brought it up.
I see this celebration as mainly being from open source fanboys who don't know the particulars of this situation, and for the most part don't have any intention of ever hacking on it or even using it. Sure, it's great if you love open source and you don't actually have to support any InterBase installations, but for the people who thought they would continue to be supported by Inprise, do you think they're celebrating? Maybe they will, but do you see why they would have their doubts due to the recent events? Do you think they're thrilled after having seen the most obvious example of closed source software being taken up by the open source community: Mozilla?
You have to remember that Netscape was a very popular app, especially among those people who couldn't use IE. This guaranteed that Mozilla would have at least some momentum behind it to help get it done, and it's still been a hellacious journey. InterBase, on the other hand, which has never been a popular product, could very well become dependent upon a community whose reaction to the product is less than spectacular. If InterBase is going to depend on a community that isn't in it for money, but rather "do I really feel like coding for this product?" then I think it's going to have some trouble down the road.
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You know, where you can use Linux to mean anything from just the kernel all the way up to the whole shebang including commonly installed apps, depending on the side of the argument in which you're engaged. Fact is, if it had been Win2K that had been compromised due to a third party script, none of the Slashdot zealot crew would be making your argument because they'd be too busy taking cheap shots.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Ugh. Can we please have a suggestion from someone who's actually familiar with their OSes, specifically NT/2000? I actually thought it was a pretty interesting question that was raised.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
It was taken down at the beginning because of bad weather, or at least the router to it was. It was slowed by, as well as occasionally completely brought down later at various times by DoS attacks, by kernel upgrades, and by new hardware installations. It (or them, since a second "e-commerce" machine was added later) weren't compromised, though.
To the other poster who replied to me, there were quite a few ports available, with the guys there just starting with port 80 and maybe one other, up to a bunch of them by the time the took the machine offline. They'd introduce a new one every so often, see how that behaved for a number of days, then add another, observe that, and so on. IIRC, this was always additive -- I can't remember them ever turning off any services that they had previously used.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Ooo, 128-bit encryption, that's 16 whole BYTES. No one will ever break that...
Uh yeah, it's kinda important for e-commerce, ya know, maybe you've heard of it. Then again, since nobody uses Linux for e-commerce, maybe zealots like you really haven't heard of it.
We all know that the W2K machine that was "naked" on the internet had no problems at all. Nooo. Uh uh. And if they gave you that Administrator password, it'd be *fine*.
The Win2K guys posted the Administrator password, what's your point?
(Compare to the linux box. um... no, no comparison.)
No comparison is correct. The site running the beta OS got massively more traffic, yet still wasn't compromised like the LinuxPPC box was, even though I guess some poor souls out there considered it to be a release-quality version of Linux. Nice. Also of course, the original Win2K site didn't surrender like the original LinuxPPC site did, before shifting the contest to antionline.com to be unceremoniously broken into.
Don't give up your day job for the Improv, 'though I'll admit that your having a job would surprise me.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Great isn't it?
Sure, if you're the kind of person who needs cheap validation from others to help make all your decisions for you, even when you know deep down that the results are rigged -- I'm sure it must be wonderful. Party on, homes. Baaaaaa.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
No, you're incorrect. The Win2K box that was up never got hacked, unlike the LinuxPPC box. Nice try, though.
The reason why windows95.com is now called winfiles.com is because they don't concentrate solely on Windows 95 software anymore. Even if they only dealt with Windows 9x software, the name would still be outdated once Windows 98 came out. Now that they also list Windows CE and Windows NT software, it makes even less sense.
Also, the domain name windows95.com is still owned by (and still points to) winfiles.com, which is a service of C|Net. Furthermore, windowsce.com takes you to HPC.net, specializing in all things CE, and windowsnt.com is owned by noname.com. In fact, of all the combinations of windows(95|98|CE|nt|2000).(com|net|org), the only one owned by Microsoft is windows98.com.
In other words, please don't don't drag Microsoft into this discussion of Mr. Torvalds's newfound litigious behavior. There's enough FUD arond here as it is.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Seeing as people are paying thousands of dollars for a $500 check, I thought I'd take this opportunity to offer for sale not one, but two (!) checks from Microsoft to me. Check one is a $20 rebate check for Microsoft Encarta, and check two is a $100 rebate check for a Xircom 56K modem.
Bidding starts at $120, so lets see those offers fly! Papa needs a new pair of shoes!
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Q: Ever heard of a Zero Knowledge proof?
A: Yes.
Q: Has anyone who might even think of investing in this company ever heard of a Zero Knowledge proof?
A: Ummm...
Yes, it's a clever name, but that doesn't mean it's a wise choice. If the producers of "Frasier" decided to have an entire episode where the characters spoke in Ebonics "in commemoration of" Martin Luther King day*, I'd think it was clever as Hell. It would also be instant suicide.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
* Replace Ebonics/MLK day with Spanglish/Cinco de Mayo, Sign-Language/Nat'l Sign Language Day, etc. I was illustrating a point, not trying to start a race war. I shouldn't have to explain this, but in these politically correct times...
Worst. Name. Ever.
Seriously, what kind of marketing wizard decided to name the company "Zero Knowledge". It sounds like a synonym for "Know Nothing." "Yeah, I know there are a lot of smart companies out there that we could work with, but that's so cliché -- we should team up with them Zero Knowledge guys!"
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Maybe he's doing this in response to the people saying he was doing it for monetary gain, just to prove them wrong. What he's doing now doesn't indicate what was going through his mind in the past. Secondly, maybe he was doing it all along to grab his own 15 minutes of fame. His latest efforts could be evidence of that, if he thinks $2000 is worth the new round of publicity that he'll get for this. I'm not knocking the guy or anyone else who's donating to charity, but again, what he's doing now doesn't prove anything about his original intent.
On another note, a shady "charity" has a good opportunity to get themselves a quickie 2000 bucks: ZicoCare Charities, Inc. outbids everyone else for the check and names ZicoCare Charities, Inc. as the targeted charity, thereby getting back the money they put in, plus Mr. Chaney's $2000 in matching funds. Oh well, food for thought.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Every company these days has at least one!
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
It's almost hard to remember that far back, but Netscape 4 (Communicator) came out in June 1997. Over two and a half years later, we're still wondering when version 5 will come out. For God's sakes men, it's a frigging browser. Ridiculous.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
As others have noted, you can indeed use either a USB or a PS/2 connection for this mouse, but it should be noted that a serial-to-PS/2 adapater WILL NOT WORK with this mouse. So, if you've got an older system (like some of mine) which has no PS/2 or USB ports, and you're used to being able to using PS/2 mice via a USB-serial adapter, you're not gonna be able to use the IntelliMouse Explorer. (If you're really in need, you could always go buy a cheap USB card.)
That said, it's still a fantastic little piece of hardware.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
For the sake of argument, let's assume that Microsoft unfairly crushed DR-DOS, although I'm not so certain that it is indeed the case. So, if not for Microsoft, then DR-DOS would have had a healthy spot in the marketplace against MS-DOS. If that was the case, then Caldera would never have been able to purchase DR-DOS for the chump change that they paid for it, because DR-DOS would've been a lot more valuable. If Caldera was really interested in owning DR-DOS after the fact, then it seems like it was to their benefit that Microsoft severely lowered its value so that they could buy it on the cheap. So Caldera was able to get DR-DOS at firesale prices, and then sued Microsoft for causing it to be available so cheaply in the first place. Does this seem pretty circular to anyone else out there? Gotta love lawyers...
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Eroding the funds on which state and local governments are run would be a good thing. The government already has way too many incompetent people. It's a welfare system in and of itself. Go to any big city and spend some time talking to some of the people employed by the city. It's an effing disgrace. Eroding their funds and firing their asses would be a dream.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Maybe that way, disgusting incidents like Rob Malda rallying people to try to rip off MSN will be less prevalent in the future. Then again, maybe we should just have a culture where nobody trusts anybody else. Either way.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Nobody says that you have to take part in those deals. For the people who want to, it is a great deal. If they're going to be paying 20 bucks a month for an ISP anyway, which millions have been doing for years now, what's wrong with getting 400 dollars back?
Maybe you could also call up all the fast food joints and tell them to stop selling the items that "g0deatr" doesn't like. If it's not good for g0deatr, it can't be good for anyone.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
When you're a Slashdotter who is both cheap and unethical, you can find all sorts of things to do to save money! Other favorite Slashdotter activities:
So get out there, Slashdotters, and put your lack of ethics to work for you! Without a moral code, the only thing holding you back from saving hundreds, nay, thousands of dollars is your own imagination! There are just so many people out there and companies willing to trust people, and now's your chance to show them what suckers they are for ever having that idea. Go get 'em, boys!
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
So if you think that they're unethical, then what you're doing is sinking to their level. You're a class act, all right.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
I'm sure hackers think it is the best, since it almost unfailingly paints hackers in a positive light, but it sure as Hell isn't highly accurate or objective. It's self-congratulating to the point of being nauseous, filled with such gems as "Hackers often have a reading range that astonishes liberal arts people but tend not to talk about it as much." Garbage.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Hey now, you really shouldn't talk about Andover.net (NASDAQ: ANDN) like that, seeing how they're the parent company of the very site we're posting on. Shame on you!
:-)
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
For every share sold, that means that someone was willing to buy it. You can't just sell shares into thin air.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Sure, they might be totally bogus, and no, I won't be sinking my money into them, but in the grand scheme of things, LinuxOne probably won't consistantly lose big piles of money like just about every other tech stock that has IPOed in the past couple of years has been doing(*cough*salonredhatxoomamazon*cough).
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
Yes, open sourcing it is better than killing it. You have no argument from me there. My point is that all this celebration is misplaced. I'm curious if anyone in this discussion was even aware of the departures of those three very key guys before I brought it up.
I see this celebration as mainly being from open source fanboys who don't know the particulars of this situation, and for the most part don't have any intention of ever hacking on it or even using it. Sure, it's great if you love open source and you don't actually have to support any InterBase installations, but for the people who thought they would continue to be supported by Inprise, do you think they're celebrating? Maybe they will, but do you see why they would have their doubts due to the recent events? Do you think they're thrilled after having seen the most obvious example of closed source software being taken up by the open source community: Mozilla?
You have to remember that Netscape was a very popular app, especially among those people who couldn't use IE. This guaranteed that Mozilla would have at least some momentum behind it to help get it done, and it's still been a hellacious journey. InterBase, on the other hand, which has never been a popular product, could very well become dependent upon a community whose reaction to the product is less than spectacular. If InterBase is going to depend on a community that isn't in it for money, but rather "do I really feel like coding for this product?" then I think it's going to have some trouble down the road.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com