You're posting in a Gnome thread, and you haven't yet realized that most people use whatever their computer or distro came with, without ever trying anything else?
This may also suggest that these people are either happy with their current environment or they dont care.
I wasn't disagreeing with xfce being a good desktop - no doubt it is (and is gaining traction quickly), but to claim that its the only one worth using - is just false.
um...going by the difference in market share between gnome and xfce, I'd suggest the majority of people disagree with you.
If we went by market share, the majority of people disagree with anything other than Windows on the desktop.
this is also true, and I fully accept this.
The point is, complaining about why product X doesn't work for YOU and then suggesting that everyone switch to product Y, is inconsistent and not productive.
I was just making the point that you worded it as if xfce was the only desktop worth using, when in fact you meant it was the only desktop you felt was worth using.
Just playing the devil's advocate and putting forward the opposing view...from someone who has started using Gnome 3 as my (only) desktop at work and so far I like it.
The biblical definition is in Hebrews 11:1 Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Other translations use "full persuasion of".
True faith requires a conviction - based on evidence.
Belief in aliens without any evidence is not faith (although you may use the term "blind" faith).
However, if you saw cat paw prints, and heard the sound of a cat, you could have faith that a cat was nearby, even though you didn't see it, and could not demonstrate it.
You are not being realistic if you think you can force only legitimate buyers to ever use your product. Once its out there, piracy will always exist.
I didn't say you should ignore it, but I DID say that you shouldn't spend too much effort trying to stop it - because that effort will be non-productive.
If you were able to make your product completely pirate-proof, you'd probably find out your sales didn't really increase at all, or in most cases, if you used invasive DRM, your sales would actually drop.
Pretending that all pirate users represent lost sales is just naive and stupid.
ok, so everything should work just like you want it?? but what if you're someone else? with different preferences, different requirements, and different needs?
Either the desktop needs to adapt to you, or you need to adapt to the desktop, or a bit of both.
Complaining that the OS doesn't do what you want just means you're not (yet) part of its target market...so find one that does, or put some effort into making this one better.
For every person who complains about the defaults you'll find a handful of others who like it the way it is. Who should change?
There's always Xfce for those of you who still want a traditional, stable environment. Uses the same Gtk+ themes that Gnome used, and the panel is flexible enough to emulate Gnome 2.x, KDE/Windows, or CDE.
I know, they turned their back on the *BSD's with Xfce 4.8, but it's still the only desktop environment worth using anymore.
Oh yeah, and they plan on sticking with Gtk+ 2.2 for the next couple of years.
(emphasis mine)
um...going by the difference in market share between gnome and xfce, I'd suggest the majority of people disagree with you.
I dont think any other company wants to follow what Apple are doing. Maybe some of them should? I dunno.
but to most tech companies, becoming a fashion company is just a ridiculous idea.
And I partly agree. Apple may be popular, but I don't see them as a company to strive after. The non-apple market is still pretty big. Much bigger than the market Apple does have.
Android doesn't leave things running - except for services - which is exactly the same as on iOS. Just that the types of services are much more varied and can do more things on android. But for normal apps, they dont stay "running". "frozen" would be more correct. They stay in RAM but are given no processor time. I'd suggest that iOS "caches" recent apps in memory too...which would amount to the same thing.
The multi-tasking works almost identically between them - the difference is in the marketing.
well here's the thing - they may well be a fad, in that tablets as we know them today will not be around for long (they will improve and change over time).
but in any case, just calling it a fad doesn't mean there isn't money to be made. Its turning out to be pretty profitable for Apple, so MS's statement just seems silly. In the grand scheme of things, MS Windows is probably a fad. why even both with IT gadgets? they're all fads...
I suspect this article is a bit too extreme, and there is still a market for android tablets.
the ipad is not a clear winner either - I only know a handful of people who have one.
You'll also find the same issue DOES exist with the tablets as with iphone vs android phones...so all of those people who prefer android phones, may well prefer an android tablet if they ever look to buy one.
its worth it to put SOME anti-piracy measures in place, but dont waste time trying to stop it entirely.
there will come a point after which any effort you spend to minimize piracy will not result in more profit, it will just stop people using your product. those people wouldn't buy it anyway, they would just do without it.
There is also a marketing side to it. piracy has definitely helped some products gain incredible market share. Microsoft Windows for example.
Not saying its always a good thing, just that the effects can not be measured in such a way that number of copies pirated = $x in lost sales. It NEVER works that way.
Market your product to the honest people, and put a minimal level of piracy protection in, such that the effort to pirate it is greater than the cost of purchasing it (and make sure you dont penalize the legitimate users with anti-piracy messages etc). The experience of buying and installing a legit copy should outrank that of downloading pirate copies.
Plenty of people ARE making money from iphone apps etc, so clearly the problem can be solved.
It MAY be costing you, but it may also be helping you.
How many people would've tried your app if it weren't for the pirate copy being out in the wild?
Maybe you need a free version that still delivers great value, and put features in the paid verison that not everyone wants, but those who want it will pay for...
I agree there will always be pirates, but there are ways and means to make a living out of more honest users.
but in the future, we'll be able to stick the "tablet" on a stand, plug it in, stick a wireless keyboard and mouse on the desk and voila - a desktop pc.
I think tablets will grow to fill that gap - a desktop pc that is equally mobile.
Nope. Google's still playing catchup with Apple and it's barely entered the race with Microsoft.
Of course, it's beaten Altavista and Yahoo. In other news, Jesus has more followers than Hubbard.
wow, I didn't know Apple was the king of search now? how long has this been going on?
taking the OP in context, the crucial part of the statement was "at its own game".
Primarily, this is talking about search...but it also now applies to phones and in both cases it is true.
No one said google were richer...
Further, in the markets where Google competes with Apple and Microsoft, Google is currently ahead, assuming Google has not yet entered the desktop/consumer OS market.
The previous post was in the context of using windows on a macbook...so I'd say most of the complaints were justified.
Moreover, the entire thread is about a laptop suitable for someone who is used to Windows and does not want to use something they are not already familiar with.
Your post does make sense if the target user is a mac user, but this is not the case.
Why can't we go back to the good old days when the marketing meant finding out what people want* and directing R&D toward that thing, instead of what we have now, where they take any old product and just tell people it's the thing they want....
*or will want, when they find out it exists.
apparently people dont really want marketers to "find out what people want" either...
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you run VMWare on your windows 8 machine and need to test software on windows 7.
Where you gonna get windows 7 from?
repository yes, but Ubuntu also has an "App Store", debian doesn't.
They also assert they have patents covering linux...
In any case, I dont see Microsoft taking this action...but to each his own.
Whilst I choose not to use any Microsoft APIs if I can help it, I'll not criticize others for it either.
You're posting in a Gnome thread, and you haven't yet realized that most people use whatever their computer or distro came with, without ever trying anything else?
This may also suggest that these people are either happy with their current environment or they dont care.
I wasn't disagreeing with xfce being a good desktop - no doubt it is (and is gaining traction quickly), but to claim that its the only one worth using - is just false.
um...going by the difference in market share between gnome and xfce, I'd suggest the majority of people disagree with you.
If we went by market share, the majority of people disagree with anything other than Windows on the desktop.
this is also true, and I fully accept this.
The point is, complaining about why product X doesn't work for YOU and then suggesting that everyone switch to product Y, is inconsistent and not productive.
I was just making the point that you worded it as if xfce was the only desktop worth using, when in fact you meant it was the only desktop you felt was worth using.
Just playing the devil's advocate and putting forward the opposing view...from someone who has started using Gnome 3 as my (only) desktop at work and so far I like it.
unfortunately common sense isn't
no. faith is earned - just like trust.
people who believe something rarely do it without a good reason.
seems people are misunderstanding faith because they misunderstand religion.
just because you dont know what drives a person to have faith in something, it doesn't mean they dont have a reason.
Wrong.
Faith is always based on evidence.
The biblical definition is in Hebrews 11:1
Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Other translations use "full persuasion of".
True faith requires a conviction - based on evidence.
Belief in aliens without any evidence is not faith (although you may use the term "blind" faith).
However, if you saw cat paw prints, and heard the sound of a cat, you could have faith that a cat was nearby, even though you didn't see it, and could not demonstrate it.
Science is sometimes like that too.
bad analogy.
You are not being realistic if you think you can force only legitimate buyers to ever use your product. Once its out there, piracy will always exist.
I didn't say you should ignore it, but I DID say that you shouldn't spend too much effort trying to stop it - because that effort will be non-productive.
If you were able to make your product completely pirate-proof, you'd probably find out your sales didn't really increase at all, or in most cases, if you used invasive DRM, your sales would actually drop.
Pretending that all pirate users represent lost sales is just naive and stupid.
couldn't put that better if I tried. mod parent UP please!!
ok, so everything should work just like you want it?? but what if you're someone else? with different preferences, different requirements, and different needs?
Either the desktop needs to adapt to you, or you need to adapt to the desktop, or a bit of both.
Complaining that the OS doesn't do what you want just means you're not (yet) part of its target market...so find one that does, or put some effort into making this one better.
For every person who complains about the defaults you'll find a handful of others who like it the way it is. Who should change?
There's always Xfce for those of you who still want a traditional, stable environment. Uses the same Gtk+ themes that Gnome used, and the panel is flexible enough to emulate Gnome 2.x, KDE/Windows, or CDE.
I know, they turned their back on the *BSD's with Xfce 4.8, but it's still the only desktop environment worth using anymore.
Oh yeah, and they plan on sticking with Gtk+ 2.2 for the next couple of years.
(emphasis mine)
um...going by the difference in market share between gnome and xfce, I'd suggest the majority of people disagree with you.
but surely you would concede that mono as an API in its own right would be fine. Just another alternative way to write Android apps.
No - this is wrong.
The danger is that Microsoft can steer future versions in a path that only helps them.
They cant take away mono or do anything to stop it in its current form. So any apps written for mono as it is today, are fine.
The danger with mono is in betting your future on it...but the same danger exists with many other APIs too.
I dont think any other company wants to follow what Apple are doing. Maybe some of them should? I dunno.
but to most tech companies, becoming a fashion company is just a ridiculous idea.
And I partly agree. Apple may be popular, but I don't see them as a company to strive after. The non-apple market is still pretty big. Much bigger than the market Apple does have.
Android doesn't leave things running - except for services - which is exactly the same as on iOS. Just that the types of services are much more varied and can do more things on android. But for normal apps, they dont stay "running". "frozen" would be more correct. They stay in RAM but are given no processor time. I'd suggest that iOS "caches" recent apps in memory too...which would amount to the same thing.
The multi-tasking works almost identically between them - the difference is in the marketing.
same. mine still gets a lot of use.
well here's the thing - they may well be a fad, in that tablets as we know them today will not be around for long (they will improve and change over time).
but in any case, just calling it a fad doesn't mean there isn't money to be made. Its turning out to be pretty profitable for Apple, so MS's statement just seems silly. In the grand scheme of things, MS Windows is probably a fad. why even both with IT gadgets? they're all fads...
I suspect this article is a bit too extreme, and there is still a market for android tablets.
the ipad is not a clear winner either - I only know a handful of people who have one.
You'll also find the same issue DOES exist with the tablets as with iphone vs android phones...so all of those people who prefer android phones, may well prefer an android tablet if they ever look to buy one.
You just can't win against piracy.
and nor should you try (not completely, that is).
its worth it to put SOME anti-piracy measures in place, but dont waste time trying to stop it entirely.
there will come a point after which any effort you spend to minimize piracy will not result in more profit, it will just stop people using your product. those people wouldn't buy it anyway, they would just do without it.
There is also a marketing side to it. piracy has definitely helped some products gain incredible market share. Microsoft Windows for example.
Not saying its always a good thing, just that the effects can not be measured in such a way that number of copies pirated = $x in lost sales. It NEVER works that way.
Market your product to the honest people, and put a minimal level of piracy protection in, such that the effort to pirate it is greater than the cost of purchasing it (and make sure you dont penalize the legitimate users with anti-piracy messages etc). The experience of buying and installing a legit copy should outrank that of downloading pirate copies.
Plenty of people ARE making money from iphone apps etc, so clearly the problem can be solved.
It MAY be costing you, but it may also be helping you.
How many people would've tried your app if it weren't for the pirate copy being out in the wild?
Maybe you need a free version that still delivers great value, and put features in the paid verison that not everyone wants, but those who want it will pay for...
I agree there will always be pirates, but there are ways and means to make a living out of more honest users.
but in the future, we'll be able to stick the "tablet" on a stand, plug it in, stick a wireless keyboard and mouse on the desk and voila - a desktop pc.
I think tablets will grow to fill that gap - a desktop pc that is equally mobile.
THAT would be cool!
Nope. Google's still playing catchup with Apple and it's barely entered the race with Microsoft.
Of course, it's beaten Altavista and Yahoo. In other news, Jesus has more followers than Hubbard.
wow, I didn't know Apple was the king of search now? how long has this been going on?
taking the OP in context, the crucial part of the statement was "at its own game".
Primarily, this is talking about search...but it also now applies to phones and in both cases it is true.
No one said google were richer...
Further, in the markets where Google competes with Apple and Microsoft, Google is currently ahead, assuming Google has not yet entered the desktop/consumer OS market.
isn't this written offer actually in the GPL wording? so all they need to do is include the license somewhere...
The previous post was in the context of using windows on a macbook...so I'd say most of the complaints were justified.
Moreover, the entire thread is about a laptop suitable for someone who is used to Windows and does not want to use something they are not already familiar with.
Your post does make sense if the target user is a mac user, but this is not the case.
Why can't we go back to the good old days when the marketing meant finding out what people want* and directing R&D toward that thing, instead of what we have now, where they take any old product and just tell people it's the thing they want....
*or will want, when they find out it exists.
apparently people dont really want marketers to "find out what people want" either...