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GNOME 3 Released
Blacklaw writes "The GNOME Desktop team has sent its latest creation into the wild, officially launching GNOME 3.0 — the biggest redesign the project has enjoyed in around nine years. 'We've taken a pretty different approach in the GNOME 3 design that focuses on the desired experience and lets the interface design follow from that,' designer Jon McCann explained during the launch. 'With any luck you will feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease.'"
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Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
There's always Xfce for those of you who still want a traditional, stable environment. Uses the same Gtk+ themes that Gnome used, and the panel is flexible enough to emulate Gnome 2.x, KDE/Windows, or CDE.
I know, they turned their back on the *BSD's with Xfce 4.8, but it's still the only desktop environment worth using anymore.
Oh yeah, and they plan on sticking with Gtk+ 2.2 for the next couple of years.
The World is Yours.
Not very excited about this release.
I _do_ feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease... of course, that might just be the Ritalin...
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Read the release notes in your favorite language here: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.0/
The press release link is a moving target. It's now: http://www.gnome.org/press/2011/04/gnome-3-0-released-better-for-users-developers-3/
Here's a link to the official GNOME 3 site.
To me it looks more like a smartphone interface (nice for a tablet PC), but errrr.... quite a paradigm change for notebook and desktop users.
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the UI is more of the bland crap. Nothing innovative or compelling. Window decoration is awful, with wide gray bars. Is that the best theme they could show off?
Now, before I get flamed for what I have written, let me remind everyone that what I have written reflects my personal opinion...and I am entitled to that.
And remember...I am not alone. When will these GNOME folks produce a shell that is a beauty to look at by default?
Too bad the default theme still looks like shit, and it's not the only thing they won't ever be able to get right. Everybody can tell you that GNOME developers have no sense for aesthetics, and all in all, it always ends up coming out like a 8 year old's monthly art project. I might be critical, but look at KDE. They've steadily improved the presentation of their desktop and controls throughout their entire lifetime. Look at the distributions that usually put their own look on GNOME because they can't stand the way it looks by default. I bought a Mac recently, but even when I was using linux, I ran KDE before I made the switch. I quit using GNOME a long time ago, and I'm definitely not the only one.
Go ahead, overzealous moderators, feel free to mod this troll, but I have the satisfaction of knowing it won't hit my karma today.
And for anyone who wants to use an operating system that actually, you know, WORKS. Skip gnome, kde, xfce, ghrdx, efjiwc, and all the other unpronounceable crap that passes for code in the open sores world.
Here's all you need.
Think different.
Think better.
Think APPLE!
I wrote a blog post all about how to tweak GNOME 3's hidden settings to be more like how you want it to be. You can read it at my blog, here. To summarize, I explain how to go back to GNOME 2, install extensions, change themes, and much more. However, I do want to note that I don't even use my own tips; GNOME 3 so far has been nearly perfect for me and I see very little need to change the settings I mention, or even use any extensions. In fact, I wrote another blog post detailing the 10 things that I love about GNOME 3 in a sort of mini-review.
To summarize my latter post, I love how GNOME 3 "puts me in the driver's seat". There's no annoying, blinking lights, there's no "are you sure?" dialogs, the design is minimalist and takes up very little screen space, and it only gives me things like the window list, application list, and even notifications when I explicitly ask for them. If I don't want notifications I just mark myself as "busy" and check up on them at my leisure. If I want to switch a window I just tap the Windows key and click the one I want; fast and simple! Yes, that's "one more step", but it takes barely any more time than any persistent window list would take up (and less screen space, too). I love how easy and fast searching for applications and places in the Activities search bar is (you don't even need to click it; just start typing!), which gives it a GNOME Do vibe. Regardless of the search, I also love how easy it is to launch applications with the favorites list on the dashboard. GNOME 3 lets me add extensions as well just like any modern web browser so I can customize it or add features as I choose. No other desktop combines empowerment, distraction-free working, extensibility, and simplicity like GNOME 3 does and I have to say that it is the greatest desktop environment I've ever had the pleasure of working with so far. Even better, it looks like it will only get more awesome as time goes on!
Congrats, GNOME team, for your amazing work! :)
"Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded." -Archbishop Fulton Sheen
"With any luck you will feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease."
So... they're outsourcing their marketing to Taiwan?
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Respected? Right. "The reason we take away all the UI for configuring options is because we respect you. It certainly wouldn't be because we feel you're too dumb to decide how you want your own desktop configured or because we worry that users, if left to themselves, might configure their software to work the mundane way they want it rather than the superior way we UI elite have envisioned."
Maybe it just escaped.
Changing the user experience for the sake of "changing the user experience" doesn't do it for me. Gnome3 is a downgrade for me and a nudge to check out KDE.
I guess you can't please all the people all the time, but this effort is headed in the wrong direction.
Best,
Burn the GNOME flag
I just noticed that on gnome.org it says "Hosted by Canonical" at the bottom. Isn't it great how they're getting along, what with all the drama? :)
"Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded." -Archbishop Fulton Sheen
I am all for rethinking the desktop paradigm, but I'm not sure whether Gnome 3 is a complete rethink or a desperate attempt to break out of the Windows 95 mould (which I think most linux users, given the popularity of mint and pclinuxos, would grudgingly admit is a sensible way of organising a desktop).
When I moved from Win XP to Gnome 2, I appreciated the rapid access the upper and lower bars gave me to applications, places, open applications, control of access, desktop, shortcuts, other panels and a full calendar - something that greatly improved productivity. Gone were the days of clicking on the same spot in the lower left, and then trying to manoeuvre your mouse around the nested menu upon menu just to find the setting or application you were after, which often led to the mouse losing focus and frustration all round. I feel like Gnome 3 is a step back in this regard, channelling almost all operations through the same spot in the corner could create exactly the same sort of inefficiency and bottleneck.
When I can get Gnome 3 to work properly on my setup, and give it a go for a decent period of time, maybe I'll change my mind. But I think it's more likely I'll find the answer to my own question, and realise that the problem is Linux struggling to clearly define it's niche and uniqueness between Mac OS X and Windows 7.
'With any luck you will feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease.'" ... "Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? " -- Dirty Harry
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Is the new page for GTK2 docs a horrible textvomit for anyone else? Did they break this specifically for this release?
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
Gnome 3 and 4 will be held until the ransom is paid.
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... will I still feel respected then?
Maybe the developers finally regained good sense, and Gnome 3 got recalled back to the drawing board :p
Give them a break, they're short on time.
Gnome body Gnomes the trouble they've seen!
At least they have decided on a Gnomenclature.
and so on...
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It looks like they decided to stop copying Apple indirectly by copying Windows, and start directly mimicking Apple's OS X. The universal search, the dock, and the integrated settings all look like OS X, without the fancy quartz graphics.
"The ability to delude yourself may be an important survival tool" - Jane Wagner -
LXDE is also a lightweight traditional alternative.
Slow news day...
-- Sometimes you have to turn the lights off in order to see.
I know there are live CD's out there, but can someone tell me where I can find a Live CD with the proprietary nvidia drivers (haven't had too much luck with google)? I know there are legal issues, but folks have made linux live CD's in the past that shipped with the closed drivers in the past. Nouveau (sic?) probably won't work for me since I have a GTX 580.
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I'm a huge KDE fan (since kde 2). Once it got past the development releases (4.3?), I liked KDE4, I love KDE4.6. With all the constant whining even about recent KDE4 releases which I personally think are great, then I figure gnome 3.0 is at least worth a shot with all the hate it's getting.
I look forward to using this new version of GNOME sometime around 2014.
It does kinda look arousing... Or is it just me?
Pylons?
The pulse audio server is easier to remove or modify how it handles cards. Several of the best and most popular sound cards have been wrongly configured by pulse for ages...Namely the M-Audio gems that have great support everywhere except with Gnome Pulse! Pulse audio you have alienated me and are the only reason why I hate to install Gnome, I then must get rid of pulse and thereby multimedia support in Gnome!
Really, you nailed this one fair and square.
I kind of miss the old launcher that was in XFCE 3.8, which I gather was similar to CDE's. Is there something very similar to that which I can use now? I'm not too keen on awn or Cairo-Dock; they are too glitzy and have too many options.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
ssa
Now wash your hands.
of course, that might just be the Ritalin...
Where can I find that. Is that under the accessories menu?
What is it with projects having to complete change the way they do things when they decide to "clean up" the code? I understand the need to make your mark on a project, but this is like the Amarok rewrite disaster. I wonder if it is even possible to rewrite something while retaining the "core values." Looking at the latest flop of Hollywood remakes, it seems a universal issue.
Maybe as a society we are becoming less capable, living up to the society that was portrayed in Idiocracy....
--WooooHoooo--
KDE4 is a joke. Now Gnome has become a joke.
Why is it that the leading GUIs have to suck so damn much ? Either provide fantastic functionality, or get the fuck out of my way. This is why XFCE and Fluxbox have so many proponents, they do little, but they do it well.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
looks like they learned a lot from the NeXT-inspired UIs like WindowMaker
-- An image is worth about 2.5E4 characters.
Tried to use it under archlinux, but it was totally unresponsive to keyboard or mouse actions. Just removed it, back to openbox, which is (and always has been) working great.
More efforts to cripple the UI?
Maybe we can fork KDE-3.x to use the newer QT libraries, be compatible with KDE-4 API, and actually have a nice usable OS?
I looked at few features and it seems many of them around window management and app launch are taken directly from windows.
1. Press the logo and type few letters of the app name. This was introduced first in Vista. GNOME3 tweaked it a little but essentially same feature.
2. Drag the window to snap on half screen to view two windows side by side. This was first introduced in windows 7.
3. Pin the apps to the taskbar. Again this was first introduced in windows 7.
I found these by just spending few minutes on it. It would have been nice if they follow the open source philosophy i.e. give credit where credit is due and mentioned Windows Vista and 7 as inspiration for these features.
I hope there are some people in Linux community that can recreate classic panel experience but based on Gnome3 and Gtk+ 3.0 as a full-featured desktop alternative, not just "fallback" option.
Linus Torvalds is switching back to KDE. (j\k)
Hack your mind out of its sandbox.
A few questions:
How well does nautilus work in Xfce? Doesn't launching nautilus also launch the Gnome DE?
Is it compatible with Gnome applets (the ones you put on the panel)? I don't know if there's a FreeDesktop standard for that which is implemented by Xfce. I'm particularly interested in the Tracker applet.
Does Thunar performance degrade over time? Nautilus is fast in opening a folder with a lot of files in it when you first launch it. But after a few days, it gets more and more sluggish and then takes a few seconds to show you a folder.
Does Xfce have a UI panel thing for virtual desktops?
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No maximize/minimize buttons. Less functionality than a KDE. Lame.
it does put you into the driver's seat alright - that of a train on a single track.
Hint: the passive voice was used in the summary.
We've taken a pretty different approach in the GNOME 3 design that focuses on the desired experience and lets the interface design follow from that
Well, the experience desired by whom? Me? Well, no GNOME developer ever asked me. I bet they didn't ask you either. I think they just sat around and discussed among themselves what users should want, and then created whatever they decided people should want.
FVWM FTW :-)
Very helpful blog post.
You say that you don't understand why someone would want to minimize a window.
Maybe I'm missing something, but here goes:
You minimize it to get it out of the way without closing it entirely. Having to reopen it means you have to re-navigate to the file you were reading or image you were viewing.
1. If you can have only one app visible at a time, I guess you really don't need minimize. Talk about a Fischer-Price interface, though. Say goodbye to viewing information in one app while you, e.g., type up a report.
2. If all apps are visible at once, then, yes, you might want to minimize a few to concentrate on 2 or 3.
3. If you can have X number of apps visible, #2 may still apply. When you hit the Win key, are you shown a list of virtual desktops or workspace, or a list of applications?
It's amazing that the window list panel is seen as a piece of code "hard to maintain". What, were there viruses affecting the panel? It's just a list of windows. Once click, you get your window. They could have just turned it off by default, and allowed people to turn it on if they wanted.
The nanny attitude is just amazing.
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Sounds oldish , and it is , bit it still was WAY better than Gnome 2 .. as of 3 .. well forget it.
Gnome has been on a path of self destruction by removing from us free choice.
Removing all possibility of using what we want the way we like it.It's a choice imposed on us by the
corporate held Gnome Foundation.( Check the seating )
Users don't count.Gnome's corporate Masters are the only voice that counts.Sad sad sad.
1.4 rocked. 3 seems like the antithesis of everything good that was once a great desktop.
Yeah, it sort of reminds me of the move toward keyless ignition.
I mean, was there a great hue and cry saying that turning a key is just too hard? It's like designers think that they're useless if they're not constantly designing new and weird ways to do what people were doing just fine with already.
Not to mention the fact that you need to hold down the button for 3 seconds to turn it off.
Next they'll come out with joystick steering. (I say that sarcastically, but some auto designer out there who wants to make his mark has probably jotted it down as a brainstorm.)
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.. where is it? Did they hide it really really really well as part of the hide-stuff-to-improve-the-user-experience? I'm not amused.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger."
The GNOME 3 UI looks very similar to the Android 3 UI. Maybe the GNOME team is trying to "bridge the gap" and bring a smart phone style user interface to the general purpose PC market. Unfortunately, this strategy will most likely fail due to the differences in input method. The PC keyboard+mouse system is vastly different than a smart phone multitouch screen system.
-Valen
I can't quite tell if your comment is supposed to be pro or con Gnone3.
It seems like it could go either way. I'll argue con:
Things were already working just fine. I hadn't heard of outbreaks of inability to open OpenOffice, Firefox, or whatever in either the NYTimes or Linux Journal. People post about their grannies or preschoolers using Linux just fine all the time on /..
So if grannies and kids were already using Gnome2 just fine, who else is there that's even dumber that needs a new interface?
Exactly how much will the new interface make things more productive in the average office that autohide of the panels wouldn't have been able to do?
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The more I use KDE4's Plasma Desktop, the more I go back to Windowmaker and LXDE. I've never really liked Gnome2 no matter how many different times I've tried it, and now Gnome3 seems to be an even bigger step in a direction I'm not interested in going.
My main desktops now are, in order of preference, KDE3.5, LXDE, and Windowmaker.
I'm not impressed by Gnome's "One True Way" mentality, because the devs' way is not my way. The KDE4 Plasma desktop annoys me to no end (I like the KDE4 apps though, except for Kmail whose new Akonadi interface sucks). Increasingly, the two major desktops are headed in the wrong direction.
Fortunately, LXDE, KDE3.5 (still available on openSUSE 11.3) and Windowmaker continue to be easy and fun to use. Thank God we still have choice. And for those of you who haven't used LXDE, now's a great time to check it out. You'll find it's a fast, resource-efficient, clean, normal desktop that doesn't get in your way, allows you lots of ways to configure/personalize it, and looks great. With no obnoxious developer attitude telling you how you "should" work.
A few questions:
vi +
Apparently you can: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28733.html
Here, here. Seemingly every OS is supersizing their icons to properly show the world how they are oh so clever and artistic. Icons have slowly changed from utilitarian shortcuts to arthouse exhibits with all the arrogant pompousness that entails.
...and I have no Windows key, you insensitive clod!
"There's always Xfce" ..
Lubuntu is even more lightweight ..
How well does nautilus work in Xfce? Doesn't launching nautilus also launch the Gnome DE?
If you must use Nautilus instead of Thunar, you could completely disable Xfce painting the desktop and allow Nautilus to handle it. Or you could fire up gconf and set it such that Nautilus doesn't paint the desktop, and leave the desktop icons to Xfce-desktop. One situation where Nautilus is still better than Thunar is browsing SMB shares.
Is it compatible with Gnome applets (the ones you put on the panel)? I don't know if there's a FreeDesktop standard for that which is implemented by Xfce. I'm particularly interested in the Tracker [gnome.org] applet.
Yes. When I run Fedora, I use the volume control applet (since it's integrated with PulseAudio) and NetworkManager from Gnome.
Does Thunar performance degrade over time? Nautilus is fast in opening a folder with a lot of files in it when you first launch it. But after a few days, it gets more and more sluggish and then takes a few seconds to show you a folder.
Have not seen this happen, even in my ~/Images folder that draws a lot fo thumbnails.
Does Xfce have a UI panel thing for virtual desktops?
Built into the default install.
The World is Yours.
With all the bashing and anti-fanboi talk against Apple - to which I agree to a certain extent, although I've been a happy Apple customer for the last 7-8 years - it kind of annoys me that other projects - Open Source in particular - keep copying a great deal of what comes out of Cupertino.
;) thanks for the effort folkz!
- KDE 4, IMHO lifts off quite some
- Android, well... not much to say here, but basically an iOS ripoff
- and now Gnome 3... these "iAds" that are just like the cupertinian, with a nerdy checkers shirt twist.
Come on guys, I hope Gnome 3 itself is not like: an OSX with a nerdy not-quite-mainstream UI design.
Oh, this is not a troll, BTW... just a gentle nudge
Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
Installed it on my ASUS EEE 701, kinda like it. Made a YouTube Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn-_yOPJtOs
too lazy to check lately but i hope the version of nautilus that coincides with gnome 3 allows the user to have complete control over the placement of title,menu bars etc. another FEW YEARS of 4 inches of unmovable blank space on top of the actual content doesn't exactly scream well thought out or modern, and i'll probably go to the beach and step on some shells!