Wow that's real dumb. You just got put on the doubleplusgood security watchlist for criticising the government. Signed your name too. Watch your visa disappear.
You're probably safer not living in the USA anyways. Once Bush is in his third term of office, leaving the USA will be a real bitch.
First quotas for suspects. Pretty soon quotas for arrests. Then quotas for convictions. Finally, like the Soviet Snion, there will be quotas for executions. The system worked to keep citizens in line for generations. With technology tightening the noose of surveillance tighter than Stalin's wet dreams, the next opressive empire should last for a milennia.
You have been warned. Now go back to eating cheetos and watching survivor.
Unauthorised use of a government computer system. The way they are using that law, the government can make anything an employee does that the government doesn't like "unauthorised". Go straight to jail. How soon before people are arrested for similar postings from a government library computer? Just wait till the US nationalises the internet, in the interest of homeland security. In the old USSR, any action that wasn't specifically allowed in writing was unauthorised, and a punishable crime. Wheras in a free country, anything not explicitly prohibited by law is NOT a crime. Now the USA is heading in that direction, starting with government employees.
Wake up. You're next.
Every time I see a wake up call that the USA is becoming a totalitarian state, and expect to see Americans rise up by the millions, all that really happens is some people whine on a blog, and the rest don't even notice. You folk don't deserve one hundredth of the few freedoms that you still have (for the time being).
That's funny, because we have a huge Dell call centre here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. We're a multicultural country, so who knows, you might have gotten an Indian rep just by the luck of the draw. All the Dell workers I know are fluent in English, though you may have to deal with a few extra "Eh"s when they speak.
Not all cheap labour is slave labour. In fact, "slave labour" as you call it, is vastly in the minority. Most shipping just takes advantages economic differences between countries. (ie cheap to make in one country, expensive to make in another.) "Slave labour" is the boogeyman people drag out to frighten people when they are against international trade for whatever reason.
"um, I doubt this would make much sense. There's really no reason to spin-off their core products. By doing this, they would lose the cash-cows they need to incubate new products"
We wouldn't want them to actually 'innovate', would we?
Do any of you get the idea that Congress is now the enemy of the USA people? I've seen law after law proposed (and sometimes passed) that harms the general public of the USA to benefit some small minority that wields some power (be it politicians, industry groups, etc.) Is there any way in the USA for the people to legally take back their own government?
If so, I think you guys should get together and do it.
Computer science has transcended normal humanity. On the internet, because ideas are objects anyone can replicate for free, selling ideas is no longer a valid business model AT ALL. The entire industry is obsolete, just like the entire horse carriage industry is now.
They've tried legal force. It hasn't worked so far. Now they're trying harder to use market (monopoly) force through Windows. Don't think Macs are any different in this game. They're trying to force us into a world where information and music still has a cost. Once the music belongs to the internet, and since everyone owns the internet, everyone already owns the music.
"(I'm assuming this is an anti-terrorist thing - as most crazy freedom reducing laws these days are)"
Honestly, how many terrorists are they going to catch? How many have they caught so far? How long do you think it will take them to find other uses for your information?
If you think it's ok for them to do this to 300,000,000 + Americans just to catch 5 or 6 terrorists, you deserve everything you get.
It's not an anti-terrorist thing. It's an anti-American thing.
Theoretically this provides information to law abiding foreigners that they would be breaking the law if they get that crypto. Because legally they would then have to commit fraud to download it from the site (falsify info). I guess in theory this would give the gov't a bigger stick. Nothing like filling the internet with opportunities for self incrimination. Despotic governments like making laws that make it virtually impossible for the average citizen to live out their day without breaking some law.
You are just repeating the meme that the megacorps are trying to spread. I don't think music would die out at all. I think it would weed out the people who only want to make money at it, and leave the people who have a passion for it. I think thats what would really happen, and I have history to back me up. Some of the finest music, art and literature was made in a time where copyright did not exist at all. The people who make corporate music for profit have everything to lose. The people who think of the music first, the TRUE artists, would remain, and would do well for themselves.
"if that's the case they won't make much from concerts either as their live recordings will be spread world wide before he can even get to his second gig! that's not a good business model for the musician and what would you do then?"
If I had that business model, and I was a good musician, I would be very happy. Because by the time I got to the second gig, the whole world would have heard my music already, and would be dying to see me in person. You have to realize, that MP3's are the best advertising any musician can get if they're only making money off of gigs. I know of a few bands that I never would have even heard of if not for MP3's, and when I heard they were coming to town, I wouldn't have missed their gigs for the world. And yes I paid a lot of money to go see them live, and it was worth every penny.
So this failing business model you speak of, is actually a success.
Got any other corporate memes you would like me to dispel?
"No, I think he's implying that whoever 'owns' the music has a right to decide how it's sold."
Once that music is released into a culture, it becomes a part of that culture. That means everyone owns it. Every musician releases his/her music in the hopes that it becomes a part of our culture, even if they're not aware that's why they're doing it. Music IS culture, it's a part of culture, it is influenced by culture, it's a product of culture, it wouldn't even exist without preceding culture.
Sometimes it's easier to see other cultures' music as a cultural expression, because it's so foreign to us. We don't realize that the music we listen to on the radio is tied just as intimately to us.
There was a time when we all owned our culture. Anyone could sing anyone's song. Anyone could add to it, modify it, perform, and grow the culture even further. People used to sing songs together, and not just at Christmas. Singing together was actually a pastime people would do at the dinner table for enjoyment. Now we don't because our culture is owned by megacorps who discourage that.
I say we abolish copyright for music. It won't bankrupt any artist who can perform. That's my opinion.
People contribute just by living their lives. Are you saying that just because my son is too young to contribute to culture, that he's not allowed to sing Happy Birthday to his friends? It's his culture, he inherited it. It's our culture, each and every one of us, regardless of age or contribution, owns it. We should all have an equal right to participate.
Civilization and culture flourished for thousands of years, and we've only had copyright for about a hundred. I think it's a perversion, and copyright laws especially for music should be repealed. Musicians should go back to making money the old fashioned way, performing. The rest of copyright law should be seriously re-examined too.
I think that's just sick. They take our culture, make it proprietary, then rent it back to us at an astronomical fee. It's OUR culture, it should be free.
Controls need power right? That's never going to change. Why not just transmit controls over power lines? There's lots of safety in that, because you only lose control if you lose power. Existing wiring is easy.
A) Written your congressman/senator? B) Donated to ACLU and EFF? C) Protested? D) Played Counterstrike/watched survivor/wanked off to pr0n? E) CmdrTaco
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Wow that's real dumb. You just got put on the doubleplusgood security watchlist for criticising the government. Signed your name too. Watch your visa disappear.
You're probably safer not living in the USA anyways. Once Bush is in his third term of office, leaving the USA will be a real bitch.
Bork!
First quotas for suspects. Pretty soon quotas for arrests. Then quotas for convictions. Finally, like the Soviet Snion, there will be quotas for executions. The system worked to keep citizens in line for generations. With technology tightening the noose of surveillance tighter than Stalin's wet dreams, the next opressive empire should last for a milennia.
You have been warned. Now go back to eating cheetos and watching survivor.
Unauthorised use of a government computer system. The way they are using that law, the government can make anything an employee does that the government doesn't like "unauthorised". Go straight to jail. How soon before people are arrested for similar postings from a government library computer? Just wait till the US nationalises the internet, in the interest of homeland security. In the old USSR, any action that wasn't specifically allowed in writing was unauthorised, and a punishable crime. Wheras in a free country, anything not explicitly prohibited by law is NOT a crime. Now the USA is heading in that direction, starting with government employees.
Wake up. You're next.
Every time I see a wake up call that the USA is becoming a totalitarian state, and expect to see Americans rise up by the millions, all that really happens is some people whine on a blog, and the rest don't even notice. You folk don't deserve one hundredth of the few freedoms that you still have (for the time being).
God help the earth.
That's funny, because we have a huge Dell call centre here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. We're a multicultural country, so who knows, you might have gotten an Indian rep just by the luck of the draw. All the Dell workers I know are fluent in English, though you may have to deal with a few extra "Eh"s when they speak.
Bork!
Not all cheap labour is slave labour. In fact, "slave labour" as you call it, is vastly in the minority. Most shipping just takes advantages economic differences between countries. (ie cheap to make in one country, expensive to make in another.) "Slave labour" is the boogeyman people drag out to frighten people when they are against international trade for whatever reason.
While deplorable, it's hardly the standard.
I'm in. How many people do we need to get this thing rolling?
"um, I doubt this would make much sense. There's really no reason to spin-off their core products. By doing this, they would lose the cash-cows they need to incubate new products"
We wouldn't want them to actually 'innovate', would we?
bORK!
Did anyone else here notice that the "Broadcast Flag" Corruptible is a spitting image of Condoleeza Rice?
I wish I had mod points. I would have modded you up just for your sig. :-)
Based on historical precedent, I think you are unreasonably optimistic.
Do any of you get the idea that Congress is now the enemy of the USA people? I've seen law after law proposed (and sometimes passed) that harms the general public of the USA to benefit some small minority that wields some power (be it politicians, industry groups, etc.) Is there any way in the USA for the people to legally take back their own government?
If so, I think you guys should get together and do it.
So why didn't you start tracking IP's and start lawsuits?
LOL
1: INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED ....
2: INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED
3: INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED
4: INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED
5: INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED
6: INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED
You get the idea.
Computer science has transcended normal humanity. On the internet, because ideas are objects anyone can replicate for free, selling ideas is no longer a valid business model AT ALL. The entire industry is obsolete, just like the entire horse carriage industry is now.
They've tried legal force. It hasn't worked so far.
Now they're trying harder to use market (monopoly) force through Windows. Don't think Macs are any different in this game. They're trying to force us into a world where information and music still has a cost. Once the music belongs to the internet, and since everyone owns the internet, everyone already owns the music.
So copyright has lost it's meaning.
"(I'm assuming this is an anti-terrorist thing - as most crazy freedom reducing laws these days are)"
Honestly, how many terrorists are they going to catch? How many have they caught so far? How long do you think it will take them to find other uses for your information?
If you think it's ok for them to do this to 300,000,000 + Americans just to catch 5 or 6 terrorists, you deserve everything you get.
It's not an anti-terrorist thing. It's an anti-American thing.
Never forget that.
That makes as much sense as watching the RIAA pack up and leave if DRM is banned.
Waitamiunute!! Why don't we try??? Maybe that was their idea along...
Somehow I don't think it would be that simple.
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Theoretically this provides information to law abiding foreigners that they would be breaking the law if they get that crypto. Because legally they would then have to commit fraud to download it from the site (falsify info). I guess in theory this would give the gov't a bigger stick. Nothing like filling the internet with opportunities for self incrimination. Despotic governments like making laws that make it virtually impossible for the average citizen to live out their day without breaking some law.
You are just repeating the meme that the megacorps are trying to spread. I don't think music would die out at all. I think it would weed out the people who only want to make money at it, and leave the people who have a passion for it. I think thats what would really happen, and I have history to back me up. Some of the finest music, art and literature was made in a time where copyright did not exist at all. The people who make corporate music for profit have everything to lose. The people who think of the music first, the TRUE artists, would remain, and would do well for themselves.
"if that's the case they won't make much from concerts either as their live recordings will be spread world wide before he can even get to his second gig! that's not a good business model for the musician and what would you do then?"
If I had that business model, and I was a good musician, I would be very happy. Because by the time I got to the second gig, the whole world would have heard my music already, and would be dying to see me in person. You have to realize, that MP3's are the best advertising any musician can get if they're only making money off of gigs. I know of a few bands that I never would have even heard of if not for MP3's, and when I heard they were coming to town, I wouldn't have missed their gigs for the world. And yes I paid a lot of money to go see them live, and it was worth every penny.
So this failing business model you speak of, is actually a success.
Got any other corporate memes you would like me to dispel?
"No, I think he's implying that whoever 'owns' the music has a right to decide how it's sold."
Once that music is released into a culture, it becomes a part of that culture. That means everyone owns it. Every musician releases his/her music in the hopes that it becomes a part of our culture, even if they're not aware that's why they're doing it. Music IS culture, it's a part of culture, it is influenced by culture, it's a product of culture, it wouldn't even exist without preceding culture.
Sometimes it's easier to see other cultures' music as a cultural expression, because it's so foreign to us. We don't realize that the music we listen to on the radio is tied just as intimately to us.
There was a time when we all owned our culture. Anyone could sing anyone's song. Anyone could add to it, modify it, perform, and grow the culture even further. People used to sing songs together, and not just at Christmas. Singing together was actually a pastime people would do at the dinner table for enjoyment. Now we don't because our culture is owned by megacorps who discourage that.
I say we abolish copyright for music. It won't bankrupt any artist who can perform. That's my opinion.
People contribute just by living their lives. Are you saying that just because my son is too young to contribute to culture, that he's not allowed to sing Happy Birthday to his friends? It's his culture, he inherited it. It's our culture, each and every one of us, regardless of age or contribution, owns it. We should all have an equal right to participate.
Civilization and culture flourished for thousands of years, and we've only had copyright for about a hundred. I think it's a perversion, and copyright laws especially for music should be repealed. Musicians should go back to making money the old fashioned way, performing. The rest of copyright law should be seriously re-examined too.
That's my opinion.
Are you implying that someone has no culture unless they contribute to it first?
I think that's just sick. They take our culture, make it proprietary, then rent it back to us at an astronomical fee. It's OUR culture, it should be free.
Controls need power right? That's never going to change. Why not just transmit controls over power lines? There's lots of safety in that, because you only lose control if you lose power. Existing wiring is easy.
Why not?
E
I guess we both mistook you for the average slashdotter. Move along. :P
Have you?
A) Written your congressman/senator?
B) Donated to ACLU and EFF?
C) Protested?
D) Played Counterstrike/watched survivor/wanked off to pr0n?
E) CmdrTaco
So what have you done so far?