And desktops and laptops last more than 8 to 12 years,
NOT in a corp environment, they don't! 2 or 3 yrs, tops. corps do a 'refresh' and buy new gear (cheaper than supporting older stuff).
and every company I've been at in the bay area, for the last 10 yrs at least, has mandated windows (sometimes giving mac a choice) but they NEVER run linux on the desktop. juniper ran freebsd on the desktop for its engineers (2000 timeframe) but that's the exception, not the rule.
corps keep paying the MS tax. happily, it seems.
MS is not going away. they may not get consumers to rebuy pc's so often but corps do, that much is true.
I try the 'desktops' every so often, but I keep getting annoyed and go back to very old fvwm1 (emulating twm. no, not kidding).
very light weight, no huge process list from hell (like all desktop linux's these days) - just the window manager, the x server and some other minor things. makes fast systems truly fast, and slower systems quite acceptable.
what do I run on a rasp pi or beaglebone? yup, fvwm1 and no 'desktop'. makes those tiny systems usable. does not need a lot of memory or disk footprint.
I still have my N1 phone and its still in nearly new physical condition. bugfixes and security updates stopped several years ago. should I throw it out? even CM is not updated for this phone.
otoh, I have pc's that are more than 10 yrs old, STILL SECURE and STILL able to be updated.
fuck google. they are children with a short attention span. they make linux look like something worse than MS or apple (even MS and apple give more updates than google does on older hardware.)
do you live here (bay area)? I do. been here several decades.
the valley does NOT want talent. what do they want? CHEAP LABOR. quality is not important, insight is not important, even code quality is not important. speed and price is all that matters.
I recently moved and had CC for the previous year I was in my last place. I used a vpn almost all the time and my line stayed up pretty much 100%.
this year when I moved, I transferred CC to my new place and I continue to run a vpn. I now notice, for some reason, that after a few hours, I get a loss of ping to anything. if I stop my vpn, the default router is still unpingable. what 'fixes' it is to reboot the cable modem (and my access pfsense router, which then gets a new dhcp primary addr) and then things are good again for a few hours.
not sure if this is related, but if I don't use a vpn, the line stays up for days and weeks at a time. when I use a vpn, I get a few hours at a time.
might not mean a thing, but then again, it might. I can't quite tell yet. what I am planning on doing is designing/building a reboot/test loop so that my line will stay up even if I'm not home to notice that it went down.
I had to do that kind of thing with pacbell dsl about 10+ yrs ago (their alcatel, aka crash-catel modem was at fault back then; but same thing happened - I'd lose connectivity and only a reboot of the modem would bring it back again).
its not convenient but if this keeps my line alive, sigh, well, this is what I will have to do.
I ran zfs on freebsd for a few years but gave up on it. at one time, I did a cvsup (like an apt-get update, sort of, on bsd) and it updated zfs code, updated a disk format encoding but you could not revert it! if I had to boot an older version of the o/s (like, before the cvsup) the disk was not readable! that was a showstopper for me and a design style that I object to, VERY MUCH. makes support a nightmare.
I've never seen this in linux with jfs, xfs, ext*fs, even reiser (remember that?) never screwed me like this before.
the system also was very ram hungry and cpu hungry.
I'm still not convinced its good for anything but serious users who have a GOOD backup/restore plan. updating a disk image format and not allowing n-1 version of o/s to read it is a huge design mistake and I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind it, but until that is changed, I won't run zfs.
if you use drives as shelf-spares or backups, then this is a MAJOR problem!
I have drives that are 10+ yrs old and while I don't spin them up very often, I do expect them to still work years from now as long as I give them a spin-up every so often, to keep them in shape.
a drive that fails just sitting there, unused, is NOT something I want to buy! or own.
you see that stream of octets? you can't get into them!
bwahahaha!
now, it seems that comcast (my isp) drops my vpn connection every few hours. I'm working on a modem reboot system that keeps my network up but its a huge PITA that comcast resets my connection several times a day and it requires a full modem reboot to get it back again.
still, I'll continue to use a vpn for many reasons. the 'opaque stream of octets' keeps their fingers out of my data, very nicely. they can't modify or read it in any way.
not really. snmp is an afterthought for them and its clumsy as hell to add snmp to it. I tried and gave up. instead, I picked hobbit (uhm, the new name is 'xymon').
xymon has its quirks but it was not hard to modify to add more snmp features to and its coding was not too bad to get thru. its not written in a lot of 'strange' languages, and that's a plus, to me, too.
personally, I usually just write snmp code fresh, from scratch, using net-snmp mgr tools. its not hard and you get just what you want and you are not muddled down in lots of 'infrastructure' that someone else thought was good but useless to you (like zabbix).
I disagree strongly that 'ipv4 hardware' (huh? what IS that, btw? does this imply that ipv6 is not in 'hardware'? how strange to describe things) is not up to modern network speeds. if anything, they can outrun any intermediate link in the chain from you to some random website. wan is still the slow part and always will be; but unless you truly get 1gig speeds to your door, your hardware will be more than enough for anything wan-based.
I truly have no idea where you got this info from, but you are as wrong as could be.
BE AFRAID! IF YOU FOLLOW OUR INSTRUCTIONS, YOU WILL BE SAFE!
yeah, right.
I'm tired of this scare bullshit. I worry more about my own people (the government and authorities) than I will ever worry about some foreign 'bad guy'.
when are people going to finally tire of being told to 'be afraid!' ? maybe the next generation will wise-up. (probably not, though; they are not any smarter than we are and they are falling for all the same propaganda.)
at least some of us can see thru this. not that it helps, any.
first, there is the right to freely travel inside your country.
second, there is the implied right to earn an income. today, its getting to the point where travel via air is required by many jobs.
third, there is nothing in the C to allow denying you the right to travel.
this has never been about C stuff; but that does not stop the 'culture of fear' politicians who have found a new friend in keeping people under their control.
google is only serious about ad revenue. all else are 'toys' to their management and the management and their employees have the shortest attention span of any large company I've ever known. they EOL things in such a short time, the trust level is now zero, with them.
hardware? google? they can't even keep software (that used to be flagship grade) working with patches and updates. they just plain lose interest and move on to other things.
at this point, google is a lot of talk but they can't be trusted to support things long-term and that, to me, kills any interest in tech things they show us.
when I started at cisco, back in the early 90's, they bought us a 14.4 modem, ncd x-terminal and a 2nd phone line. later, when I was at sgi, they run us a company paid isdn line. juniper also gave us isdn lines, iirc.
the big companies used to do this for us (all in calif., fwiw). now, they seem to assume 'you need inet and a phone, anyway' so they want to avoid paying, but I have always had to give my cell # to my workers and I do get work calls on my personal line. would be nice to have them just buy me a phone and fully cover it, at this point (my last job was android based devel and so, yes, we got a company phone and data plan all paid).
the nsa has nothing to do with this spying stuff. CALEA is at fault and that was put in place decades ago, and forces ALL us companies to install backdoors for, cough, 'law enforcement' use.
its not cisco and its not nsa. in this case, at least.
blame the law enforcement lobby. they keep complaining they don't have enough power or tools, and congress is always afraid to be called 'soft on crime'. that fully explains that.
cisco is betting on their onePK SDN strategy; not openflow or any other 'open' switch tech.
no one else has this level of advanced API support (yet). its proprietary but its very rich and capable. time will tell if it catches on or not; but it leaves things like openflow in the dust.
american education either sucks or is very good (depending on where you live). I used to live in cupertino and the rent was crazy and its now TOTALLY crazy (my previous LL wanted to raise the rent $400 more each month because, well, she thinks she can; and the stupid parents who think their snowflakes NEED the local school system are willing to pay thru the nose). people move away from areas just to get away from bad (or normal) school systems.
if you come from another country and raise kids you, it seems you care a lot about school and will do anything to get your snowflakes into 'the best schools'; but americans seem to care very little, push their kids into sports more than academics and the rest of the world is overcoming us in how educated the kids will be.
given all that, just to stay competitive, I'd say yes, have school all year round. a 2 week break here and there would help allow for vacations and a few 2 week breaks instead of a long summer break makes much more sense to me, anyway.
most parents hate having their crotchfruits hanging around the house all summer, anyway. when I was growing up, we went off to camp during the summer (even if only day-camp). so that's another reason to have school all year round; it will save money for parents who don't want to have to pay for summer camps and things like that.
I used to be a long term NF user (the mail dvd's, that is) but the service started getting slow (mailings were not as fast as before) and many titles were dropped (not NF's fault, but I still had less choice).
TPB does what I need and there's never a problem with compatibility;)
sorry, entertainment industry, but I gave up on you. for decades (quite a few of them) I helped fund your overpriced shite. that has now ended.
my cost is that of a VPN and that's it. and so, I'm 'there' until things drastically change, and I don't see that happening even in my lifetime.
so, even though linux is now 'working', I could actually care less. too little, too late.
I used to run a lot of freebsd at home - until I tried linux for samba and never went back to bsd again. bsd samba simply sucks. its dog slow and it hammers on disks, unlike linux which is very cache-oriented (from just looking at the drive lights).
that was my main complaint. maybe linux has better integration with smb and the network stack but bsd is just not nearly as fast.
stability wise, this isn't 10 yrs ago and linux stays up as long as you need it (years, even).
bsd has better mgmt, though; one distro and one style of doing things. THAT is much nicer than the linux fragmentation.
bullshit excuse. I don't want or need new features. I want the 512 meg stuff TO WORK and not buzz at me when I touch the screen. or reboot (showing the shimmering X) during gps car use! or have their maps route me into a downtown (redwood city) when I'm really going from south san francisco to san jose. that is a pure route101 trip and yet, time after time, it sends me thru downtown RC when I didn't need to do that.
gmail app is broken (I have to use k9 to read my gmail) - gmail app won't even poll for new messages anymore.
we're talking HUGELY EMBARASSING BUGS here. and yet, they act like the platform is 'done' and the tell you 'just buy another phone, rich guy'. yeah, right, feed the landfills by throwing away functioning hardware.
I can thank contracts? this was bought outright and from google. it used to be their flagship (yes, a long time ago, but that's not relevant). what is relevant is how google ACTS vs what they SAY. their action speaks volumes and if it wasn't google, with 10's of thousands of employees who are, supposedly, best-in-the-world - they SHOULD have at least one person to support older phones, at least for security and major bugfixes. to this day (and on its birth day) it had a problem with x,y screen calibration. after a few hours of use, it buzzes at you if you touch the screen to click something. from DAY ONE it did that and it never got fixed. flagship phone, has to be reset (power cycle) to reset the x,y calibration. I don't mean the just-loaded-software (touch corners to calibrate) - but I mean that a power cycle will cause the x,y locations to stop vibrating at you and accept your input.
this is just one of the many bugs in the nexus one. I will never buy another nexus now that I see how short google's attention span really is. I don't care what their marketing says, from personal ownership experience, they are shit and they abandon stuff for whatever reason - but the end user is screwed.
there's lots of reasons to hate carriers, but all of this that I mentioned is nothing to do with them and everything to do with google's product mgmt. they decided to pull people off the n1 project and abandon it, leaving major holes in the software. pathetic. I'd expect this from a 10 or 50 man company but NOT from the almighty google. seriously!
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And desktops and laptops last more than 8 to 12 years,
NOT in a corp environment, they don't! 2 or 3 yrs, tops. corps do a 'refresh' and buy new gear (cheaper than supporting older stuff).
and every company I've been at in the bay area, for the last 10 yrs at least, has mandated windows (sometimes giving mac a choice) but they NEVER run linux on the desktop. juniper ran freebsd on the desktop for its engineers (2000 timeframe) but that's the exception, not the rule.
corps keep paying the MS tax. happily, it seems.
MS is not going away. they may not get consumers to rebuy pc's so often but corps do, that much is true.
well, how do you make playlist with a filesystem?
really? that's your question?
% cd somewhere; find . -print > playlist.txt
or equiv.
yeah, that was REAL hard. filesystems suck for audio playback.
oh wait, NO THEY DON'T.
I try the 'desktops' every so often, but I keep getting annoyed and go back to very old fvwm1 (emulating twm. no, not kidding).
very light weight, no huge process list from hell (like all desktop linux's these days) - just the window manager, the x server and some other minor things. makes fast systems truly fast, and slower systems quite acceptable.
what do I run on a rasp pi or beaglebone? yup, fvwm1 and no 'desktop'. makes those tiny systems usable. does not need a lot of memory or disk footprint.
18 months, huh? you think that's long enough?
I still have my N1 phone and its still in nearly new physical condition. bugfixes and security updates stopped several years ago. should I throw it out? even CM is not updated for this phone.
otoh, I have pc's that are more than 10 yrs old, STILL SECURE and STILL able to be updated.
fuck google. they are children with a short attention span. they make linux look like something worse than MS or apple (even MS and apple give more updates than google does on older hardware.)
any site that demands I disable ad-blockers is not a site I NEED to visit. so, its self-filtering.
(what's the problem, again?)
do you live here (bay area)? I do. been here several decades.
the valley does NOT want talent. what do they want? CHEAP LABOR. quality is not important, insight is not important, even code quality is not important. speed and price is all that matters.
I wish I was kidding... ;(
I recently moved and had CC for the previous year I was in my last place. I used a vpn almost all the time and my line stayed up pretty much 100%.
this year when I moved, I transferred CC to my new place and I continue to run a vpn. I now notice, for some reason, that after a few hours, I get a loss of ping to anything. if I stop my vpn, the default router is still unpingable. what 'fixes' it is to reboot the cable modem (and my access pfsense router, which then gets a new dhcp primary addr) and then things are good again for a few hours.
not sure if this is related, but if I don't use a vpn, the line stays up for days and weeks at a time. when I use a vpn, I get a few hours at a time.
might not mean a thing, but then again, it might. I can't quite tell yet. what I am planning on doing is designing/building a reboot/test loop so that my line will stay up even if I'm not home to notice that it went down.
I had to do that kind of thing with pacbell dsl about 10+ yrs ago (their alcatel, aka crash-catel modem was at fault back then; but same thing happened - I'd lose connectivity and only a reboot of the modem would bring it back again).
its not convenient but if this keeps my line alive, sigh, well, this is what I will have to do.
I ran zfs on freebsd for a few years but gave up on it. at one time, I did a cvsup (like an apt-get update, sort of, on bsd) and it updated zfs code, updated a disk format encoding but you could not revert it! if I had to boot an older version of the o/s (like, before the cvsup) the disk was not readable! that was a showstopper for me and a design style that I object to, VERY MUCH. makes support a nightmare.
I've never seen this in linux with jfs, xfs, ext*fs, even reiser (remember that?) never screwed me like this before.
the system also was very ram hungry and cpu hungry.
I'm still not convinced its good for anything but serious users who have a GOOD backup/restore plan. updating a disk image format and not allowing n-1 version of o/s to read it is a huge design mistake and I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind it, but until that is changed, I won't run zfs.
obsolete?
if you use drives as shelf-spares or backups, then this is a MAJOR problem!
I have drives that are 10+ yrs old and while I don't spin them up very often, I do expect them to still work years from now as long as I give them a spin-up every so often, to keep them in shape.
a drive that fails just sitting there, unused, is NOT something I want to buy! or own.
vpn. all the way.
you see that stream of octets? you can't get into them!
bwahahaha!
now, it seems that comcast (my isp) drops my vpn connection every few hours. I'm working on a modem reboot system that keeps my network up but its a huge PITA that comcast resets my connection several times a day and it requires a full modem reboot to get it back again.
still, I'll continue to use a vpn for many reasons. the 'opaque stream of octets' keeps their fingers out of my data, very nicely. they can't modify or read it in any way.
not really. snmp is an afterthought for them and its clumsy as hell to add snmp to it. I tried and gave up. instead, I picked hobbit (uhm, the new name is 'xymon').
xymon has its quirks but it was not hard to modify to add more snmp features to and its coding was not too bad to get thru. its not written in a lot of 'strange' languages, and that's a plus, to me, too.
personally, I usually just write snmp code fresh, from scratch, using net-snmp mgr tools. its not hard and you get just what you want and you are not muddled down in lots of 'infrastructure' that someone else thought was good but useless to you (like zabbix).
citation needed.
I disagree strongly that 'ipv4 hardware' (huh? what IS that, btw? does this imply that ipv6 is not in 'hardware'? how strange to describe things) is not up to modern network speeds. if anything, they can outrun any intermediate link in the chain from you to some random website. wan is still the slow part and always will be; but unless you truly get 1gig speeds to your door, your hardware will be more than enough for anything wan-based.
I truly have no idea where you got this info from, but you are as wrong as could be.
I can see it now:
first we attack ISIS, then we go for OSPF. ...probably the bridges will come down next.
I suspect cisco has something to do with it. I can't prove it, though.
the 'culture of fear' continues on.
BE AFRAID! IF YOU FOLLOW OUR INSTRUCTIONS, YOU WILL BE SAFE!
yeah, right.
I'm tired of this scare bullshit. I worry more about my own people (the government and authorities) than I will ever worry about some foreign 'bad guy'.
when are people going to finally tire of being told to 'be afraid!' ? maybe the next generation will wise-up. (probably not, though; they are not any smarter than we are and they are falling for all the same propaganda.)
at least some of us can see thru this. not that it helps, any.
yes. sort of.
first, there is the right to freely travel inside your country.
second, there is the implied right to earn an income. today, its getting to the point where travel via air is required by many jobs.
third, there is nothing in the C to allow denying you the right to travel.
this has never been about C stuff; but that does not stop the 'culture of fear' politicians who have found a new friend in keeping people under their control.
google is only serious about ad revenue. all else are 'toys' to their management and the management and their employees have the shortest attention span of any large company I've ever known. they EOL things in such a short time, the trust level is now zero, with them.
hardware? google? they can't even keep software (that used to be flagship grade) working with patches and updates. they just plain lose interest and move on to other things.
at this point, google is a lot of talk but they can't be trusted to support things long-term and that, to me, kills any interest in tech things they show us.
they used to.
when I started at cisco, back in the early 90's, they bought us a 14.4 modem, ncd x-terminal and a 2nd phone line. later, when I was at sgi, they run us a company paid isdn line. juniper also gave us isdn lines, iirc.
the big companies used to do this for us (all in calif., fwiw). now, they seem to assume 'you need inet and a phone, anyway' so they want to avoid paying, but I have always had to give my cell # to my workers and I do get work calls on my personal line. would be nice to have them just buy me a phone and fully cover it, at this point (my last job was android based devel and so, yes, we got a company phone and data plan all paid).
suppose you run a vpn from home. they can't easily put a redirect in when its not port 80 (etc) traffic.
wonder what they plan to do with us vpn guys?
the nsa has nothing to do with this spying stuff. CALEA is at fault and that was put in place decades ago, and forces ALL us companies to install backdoors for, cough, 'law enforcement' use.
its not cisco and its not nsa. in this case, at least.
blame the law enforcement lobby. they keep complaining they don't have enough power or tools, and congress is always afraid to be called 'soft on crime'. that fully explains that.
cisco is betting on their onePK SDN strategy; not openflow or any other 'open' switch tech.
no one else has this level of advanced API support (yet). its proprietary but its very rich and capable. time will tell if it catches on or not; but it leaves things like openflow in the dust.
american education either sucks or is very good (depending on where you live). I used to live in cupertino and the rent was crazy and its now TOTALLY crazy (my previous LL wanted to raise the rent $400 more each month because, well, she thinks she can; and the stupid parents who think their snowflakes NEED the local school system are willing to pay thru the nose). people move away from areas just to get away from bad (or normal) school systems.
if you come from another country and raise kids you, it seems you care a lot about school and will do anything to get your snowflakes into 'the best schools'; but americans seem to care very little, push their kids into sports more than academics and the rest of the world is overcoming us in how educated the kids will be.
given all that, just to stay competitive, I'd say yes, have school all year round. a 2 week break here and there would help allow for vacations and a few 2 week breaks instead of a long summer break makes much more sense to me, anyway.
most parents hate having their crotchfruits hanging around the house all summer, anyway. when I was growing up, we went off to camp during the summer (even if only day-camp). so that's another reason to have school all year round; it will save money for parents who don't want to have to pay for summer camps and things like that.
I used to be a long term NF user (the mail dvd's, that is) but the service started getting slow (mailings were not as fast as before) and many titles were dropped (not NF's fault, but I still had less choice).
TPB does what I need and there's never a problem with compatibility ;)
sorry, entertainment industry, but I gave up on you. for decades (quite a few of them) I helped fund your overpriced shite. that has now ended.
my cost is that of a VPN and that's it. and so, I'm 'there' until things drastically change, and I don't see that happening even in my lifetime.
so, even though linux is now 'working', I could actually care less. too little, too late.
I used to run a lot of freebsd at home - until I tried linux for samba and never went back to bsd again. bsd samba simply sucks. its dog slow and it hammers on disks, unlike linux which is very cache-oriented (from just looking at the drive lights).
that was my main complaint. maybe linux has better integration with smb and the network stack but bsd is just not nearly as fast.
stability wise, this isn't 10 yrs ago and linux stays up as long as you need it (years, even).
bsd has better mgmt, though; one distro and one style of doing things. THAT is much nicer than the linux fragmentation.
bullshit excuse. I don't want or need new features. I want the 512 meg stuff TO WORK and not buzz at me when I touch the screen. or reboot (showing the shimmering X) during gps car use! or have their maps route me into a downtown (redwood city) when I'm really going from south san francisco to san jose. that is a pure route101 trip and yet, time after time, it sends me thru downtown RC when I didn't need to do that.
gmail app is broken (I have to use k9 to read my gmail) - gmail app won't even poll for new messages anymore.
we're talking HUGELY EMBARASSING BUGS here. and yet, they act like the platform is 'done' and the tell you 'just buy another phone, rich guy'. yeah, right, feed the landfills by throwing away functioning hardware.
fucking google... sigh ;(
I can thank contracts? this was bought outright and from google. it used to be their flagship (yes, a long time ago, but that's not relevant). what is relevant is how google ACTS vs what they SAY. their action speaks volumes and if it wasn't google, with 10's of thousands of employees who are, supposedly, best-in-the-world - they SHOULD have at least one person to support older phones, at least for security and major bugfixes. to this day (and on its birth day) it had a problem with x,y screen calibration. after a few hours of use, it buzzes at you if you touch the screen to click something. from DAY ONE it did that and it never got fixed. flagship phone, has to be reset (power cycle) to reset the x,y calibration. I don't mean the just-loaded-software (touch corners to calibrate) - but I mean that a power cycle will cause the x,y locations to stop vibrating at you and accept your input.
this is just one of the many bugs in the nexus one. I will never buy another nexus now that I see how short google's attention span really is. I don't care what their marketing says, from personal ownership experience, they are shit and they abandon stuff for whatever reason - but the end user is screwed.
there's lots of reasons to hate carriers, but all of this that I mentioned is nothing to do with them and everything to do with google's product mgmt. they decided to pull people off the n1 project and abandon it, leaving major holes in the software. pathetic. I'd expect this from a 10 or 50 man company but NOT from the almighty google. seriously!