I just got mine 2 days ago and I love it! No more of the "work late and keep my job or go home and watch the simpsons" dilemma..
It has some minor bugs, but the guy who installed it said he's been a test user for 2 months and they're been working out the bugs pretty well. For $5/month, you can't go wrong.
They don't have to be compared except insofar as a people who were promised something, got nothing.
They were promised something by people who did not have it to give. The invading armies promised them the land, and soon after that they were thrown out, hence whatever they promised is null and void.
Since the Kurds have resided in the area from ancient times, they were and are every bit as deserving as Palestinians of self-determination. The same argument against Israel could be made against Turkey and Iraq: that they have unjustly occupied the Kurdish homeland since WW1.
So have Turks. Turks entered Anatolia and the middle east starting in the year 1071, and have controlled at least the area currently occupied by Turkey for centuries. The fact that Kurds also live there does not matter one bit.
If the Palestinians all wanted to be Arab Citizens of Israel, there wouldn't be a problem. But they don't. Are you suggesting that all Kurds want to be citizens of Turkey/Iraq? Are you suggesting that the break-up of the Ottoman Empire is not sufficient justification for giving all of its constituent peoples self-determination?
Ottoman Empire didn't break up to please everyone by giving them land. Ottoman Empire was torn apart by war. And you cannot expect a single nation in the world to give up land because people ask for it. Are you siding with ETA in Spain?
You see a vast difference between Turkey's policy on the PKK and Israel's policy on the PLO? In both instances, regular people are oppressed due to "guilt by association" whether or not they actually performed any terrorist acts. This is the crux of the issue. In both countries, the political moderates in the minority are silenced by the terrorists on the one hand and the overzealous counter-terrorists on the other.
I am Turkish, so you are free to believe that my opinion is biased (even though I do not live in Turkey or agree with many political issues that are going on there) but I have seen a lot over the many years I've been watching the situation. While the policies against PLO and PKK might be similar (PLO has a lot more of a political movement behind it) the treatment of innocent Palestinians and innocent Kurds have nothing in common. Israel moves its tanks in and kills women and kids. While I believe you in the guilty by association issue and I agree that there were civilian casualties in the war against PKK, a systematic eradication of Kurds never took place, and even if this was Turkey's intention, this could not have taken place, given the immense amount of Kurds that live in Turkey. Such a violent and unjustified movement by Turkey would immediately bring the country to civil war.
In the last 20 years? Bombing, burning, and otherwise destroying thousands of Kurdish villages, in some cases killing the inhabitants directly, but in most cases, allowing death to happen of its own accord (as happens among the homeless).
Do you have any justification to your claims, or are you telling me what you have heard in the past years from the western press (whose governments actually used to supply the PKK with weapons and military training)?
It's nice how convenient it is to call them rebels. Post-WW1 when the Middle East was being carved up the Kurds were promised space for a Kurdish state under The Treaty of SÃvres. The subsequent Treaty of Lausanne mentioned nothing of a Kurdish state and atrocities ensued on both sides for most of the 20th century.
Considering Sevres was a treaty the Ottoman Empire was strong-armed into signing, and Lausanne was signed after - the new nation - Turkey won its independence from the invading armies, the two cannot be compared.
My main complaint of Turkish policy is its support of a Palestinian state from Israel, but not one for Kurds. Why should they expect Kurds to assimilate into Turkish culture and but not expect Palestinians to assimilate into Israeli culture?
Again, a comparison between the Kurds and the Palestinians does not make any sense, since their nation was later invaded by (or more like given to) the Israelis. But more importantly, the Israelis oppress the Palestinians, in the true meaning of the word oppress.
Anyway, I agree to retract "and kills" from my original statement as I had in mind extermination policies that are no longer in place.
Turkey also systematically oppresses and kills Kurds and their children, but you don't see Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, or Bush, Jr. taking a stand because Turkey is a NATO ally.
Please keep your false propaganda/bullshit to yourself. 25-30% of Turkey is Kurdish, and they have held and still hold important roles in Turkey, including the head of the parliament during the last term. The "oppression" you speak of is against the PKK (the so-called Kurdistan Workers Party, which is a heavily armed terrorist force responsible for the deaths of around 30,000 people on both sides since 1984) and its Kurdish rebels.
Call it oppression, genocide, whatever you will, if someone takes arms against my country and tries to take a bite out of it, I call it spring cleaning.
"I was pointing out that the move from 130 nm to 100 nm cannot possibly have anything to do with the limit of human visibility, since the former length was already well below the limits of what wavelength humans can see."
Right, that's where the beautiful purple glow comes from when I'm exposing a wafer right?
No, UV lithography is what's been used to expose the photoresist, and it has been for a looooong long time. E-beam lithography is probably what you're thinking.
Turkish TV channels have been doing this for a looong time, especially during soccer games, which have very high ratings and not so many long enough intervals for a 30 second commercial block.
I love the beer commercials during the games, works like a subliminal for me, since I can't get my eyes off the game long enough to notice that there is a beer commercial covering 1/4 of the screen.
I'm not one to point out minor mistakes but these ones especially annoyed me:
1) It is micro-electro mechanical systems. Anyone who has ever read a single article about MEMS would know what it really stands for. It is annoying that noone seems to get a 4-letter acronym.
2) MEMS is not a product of the "emerging nanotechnology". It is a product of the long-available microtechnology just like its name suggests. We have a Microtechnology laboratory where 0.5um is out minimum feature size and we routinely build/develop MEMS devices.
Anyone who writes an article about advanced material should study a bit.
>Sure, so how do these jumpers on the Hard drive work?
Open hard drive manual, look up jumper settings. Simple? Check.
> Do they go horizontal or vertical?
See above. Simple? Check.
> All I want is a 80 gig Hard drive, does that mean I need IDE? ATA? Does my Motheboard support EIDE?
See motherboard manual, possibly the first couple pages. Simple? Check.
> Where on the motherboard does it go?
One of the only 2 places on a typical board an IDE connector would connect to. Spend 2-3 minutes looking at the board manual if confused. Simple? Check.
> Should I power it up first and leave the drives unplugged, so i can mess with the BIOS?
Not a particularly smart question since you jump in the bios *before* drives are detected, at least in 99% of the boards.
> My time is worth more than reading "Assembling PCs for Dummies."
You're saying you'd gladly pay twice the price (a BTO system costs you $100 more in the PC world, but not in the Mac side)
If you are saying you'd rather not read a simple manual and overpay instead you are no better than a PC user who bashes Macs without even trying one.
I personally do not like Macs. Used them plenty of times, and I hated just about everything, starting with the mice. I like total control of what's in my machines, so I build them myself. I haven't bought a BTO system since I was 12. I like the upgradability and the fact even if I put a machine together from spare parts and know it'll work just fine.
I like the bang for the buck I get from PC's, and if I ever decided to increase my budget for computers I would go for a Sun box.
I *love* Mozilla: I love tabbed browsing, the beautiful rendering, popup control, and all the other goodies that come with it.
BUT I don't think I'll ever be able to use Mozilla as my primary browser. I tried multiple times to migrate to it, yet every single time my humble computer kindly let me know that it can't keep up.
I'm not trying to start a flamewar, I think Netscape is bloated as much as the next person, but at the same time I can't see why Mozilla is so slow and resource crazy either.
All in all, if Mozilla doesn't get *much* faster by 1.0, I won't be using it for a while.
They can be actuated with a bunch of different methods. The easiest is a comb drive. I'll let you read up on it.
As for how they are made: Most gear-like structures are built with "surface micromachining" ie: building up on silicon with SiO2, polysilicon, metal, various epoxies like SU-8 etc. There is, however, another way to build many structures too, it is bulk micromachining. In bulk micromachining, the device is built on a single crystal silicon, that is, by etching into the silicon and having the body of your machine be the silicon you started with (and of course the other various materials I said before).
For all of you who wonder how bulk micromachining works, I suggest you check out Berkeley's "Single Crystal Reactive Etching and Metallization" (SCREAM) process.
One method we used in our lab was to use tiny gear support posts. Once you use the HF vapor to etch away the sacrificial SiO2 from underneath these prevent stiction (sticking + friction).
It just means using light with a shorter wavelength to etch the silicon wafer, allowing you to use a smaller micron process than you could with longer wavelengths.
Actually the light is just used to "expose" the photoresist to pattern your wafer (Si, GaAs, etc). Depending on the type of your resist (negative or positive) the exposed areas of the resist either solidifies or solubilizes and when you develop it in the appropriate developer you are left with your pattern on the wafer. The etching is done later using the photoresist as a mask to cover areas you don't want etched.
My point was that the only way they could be sure that they are testing a processor that is truly off-the-shelf/consumer product would be to actually go and grab it from a shelf themselves. It sounds to me like this was sent to them. Any hardware addressed specifically to a review site is destined to be tweaked, no matter where it came from.
The Northwood Pentium 4 processor chips we have are off-the-shelf chips, the same as any consumer would buy. No specially picked chips or engineering samples here, folks!
From CNN: (front page)
SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- Intel Corp. on Monday will unveil its fastest-ever microprocessor, a Pentium 4 chip that not only allows it to maintain its leadership over rival Advanced Micro Devices Inc., but also introduces what analysts said is a critical improvement in Intel's memory chip technology.
I'm pretty hungover from last night but I'm still pretty sure today is Sunday.
How can they get off-the-shelf chips for testing when they're not available to the consumers yet?
Well, for one, the basic program startup time. Your average bloatware (xemacs, staroffice, mozilla, etc) takes longer to start than they did on the 2.2 tree. I didn't time the processes with the two different kernels or anything so I guess I can't back that with hard evidence but it feels that way. The second one (which I've also heard from many other people) is the slowdown with disk i/o. When I am copying large files from one drive to another or there is simply a large amount of drive activity, my computer becomes virtually unusable. I mean, it takes 2-3 seconds to switch desktops in X. I've heard from a friend that 2.4.13 seemed to improve this situation for him, but it didn't for me.
I guess my problem is that I used to be able to run 2.2.* with X on a 233mhz machine just fine, and 2.4.* feels just like that on a 500. Maybe not *that* bad but 2.4 is a steep performance drop compared to 2.2 for me.
I've been using linux since the very early 2.0.* days and for the most part I keep up with every kernel released. Since I've moved to 2.4.*, I've notices an incredible slowdown on my machine, even in post-2.4.13 kernels which supposedly did something to improve performance.
Personally I'm about ready to go back to good old fast&stable&reliable 2.2 tree. I wonder if we really need to make the kernel this sluggish for the sake of introducing new stuff in the kernel level though. I know I'm not the only one who noticed the performance drop with 2.4.*.
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Disclaimer: I am not trying to flame, just pointing out the blatantly obvious misunderstanding and overuse of question marks.
Here is my point, a bit clearer this time: I do not doubt the fact that he will not be buying a ps2 because he can't back up his games. What I don't believe is that his actual intention for wanting a mod chip is actually backing up his games. Anyone who claims that they won't be buying ps2 due to the lack of a backup mechanism is lying, and this is painfully obvious. I have a ton of ps1 games and I didn't have a single one go bad before.
In short: At least admit that the real reason anyone wouldn't buy a ps2 (because of the copy protection) would be because they can't *copy games*, not because they can't take backups.
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I will not buy a PS2 until I can backup my game collection.
I agree with you completely. I already have a bachelor's in CS and I'm going for another one in computer engineering (by taking 2 years of *just* EE classes). I take an average of 5 EE classes a semester and I have a very good GPA. I definately did not take the path of least resistance and I do not suck up for grades. I am good in the field, I study, and I know exactly what the prof. expects -- probably because I've been in college longer than most other people in my classes.
Agreed. Just last night I put 2.4.15 on a friend's computer to fix some stuff up for him. After a couple reboots (sync'ing before every reboot is a good thing) I noticed I needed the slack install cd which I didn't have with me, reverted to 2.2.19 and told him I'd fix it up later.
Now what tf was I supposed to tell him if 2.4.15 corrupted his HD in the process? "Yea we say Linux is rock solid but the stable tree might fuck your partitions every once in a while"?
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No, the simple reason is that the poster is not too bright.
Try this.
I just got mine 2 days ago and I love it! No more of the "work late and keep my job or go home and watch the simpsons" dilemma..
It has some minor bugs, but the guy who installed it said he's been a test user for 2 months and they're been working out the bugs pretty well. For $5/month, you can't go wrong.
They don't have to be compared except insofar as a people who were promised something, got nothing.
They were promised something by people who did not have it to give. The invading armies promised them the land, and soon after that they were thrown out, hence whatever they promised is null and void.
Since the Kurds have resided in the area from ancient times, they were and are every bit as deserving as Palestinians of self-determination. The same argument against Israel could be made against Turkey and Iraq: that they have unjustly occupied the Kurdish homeland since WW1.
So have Turks. Turks entered Anatolia and the middle east starting in the year 1071, and have controlled at least the area currently occupied by Turkey for centuries. The fact that Kurds also live there does not matter one bit.
If the Palestinians all wanted to be Arab Citizens of Israel, there wouldn't be a problem. But they don't. Are you suggesting that all Kurds want to be citizens of Turkey/Iraq? Are you suggesting that the break-up of the Ottoman Empire is not sufficient justification for giving all of its constituent peoples self-determination?
Ottoman Empire didn't break up to please everyone by giving them land. Ottoman Empire was torn apart by war. And you cannot expect a single nation in the world to give up land because people ask for it. Are you siding with ETA in Spain?
You see a vast difference between Turkey's policy on the PKK and Israel's policy on the PLO? In both instances, regular people are oppressed due to "guilt by association" whether or not they actually performed any terrorist acts. This is the crux of the issue. In both countries, the political moderates in the minority are silenced by the terrorists on the one hand and the overzealous counter-terrorists on the other.
I am Turkish, so you are free to believe that my opinion is biased (even though I do not live in Turkey or agree with many political issues that are going on there) but I have seen a lot over the many years I've been watching the situation. While the policies against PLO and PKK might be similar (PLO has a lot more of a political movement behind it) the treatment of innocent Palestinians and innocent Kurds have nothing in common. Israel moves its tanks in and kills women and kids. While I believe you in the guilty by association issue and I agree that there were civilian casualties in the war against PKK, a systematic eradication of Kurds never took place, and even if this was Turkey's intention, this could not have taken place, given the immense amount of Kurds that live in Turkey. Such a violent and unjustified movement by Turkey would immediately bring the country to civil war.
In the last 20 years? Bombing, burning, and otherwise destroying thousands of Kurdish villages, in some cases killing the inhabitants directly, but in most cases, allowing death to happen of its own accord (as happens among the homeless).
Do you have any justification to your claims, or are you telling me what you have heard in the past years from the western press (whose governments actually used to supply the PKK with weapons and military training)?
It's nice how convenient it is to call them rebels. Post-WW1 when the Middle East was being carved up the Kurds were promised space for a Kurdish state under The Treaty of SÃvres. The subsequent Treaty of Lausanne mentioned nothing of a Kurdish state and atrocities ensued on both sides for most of the 20th century.
Considering Sevres was a treaty the Ottoman Empire was strong-armed into signing, and Lausanne was signed after - the new nation - Turkey won its independence from the invading armies, the two cannot be compared.
My main complaint of Turkish policy is its support of a Palestinian state from Israel, but not one for Kurds. Why should they expect Kurds to assimilate into Turkish culture and but not expect Palestinians to assimilate into Israeli culture?
Again, a comparison between the Kurds and the Palestinians does not make any sense, since their nation was later invaded by (or more like given to) the Israelis. But more importantly, the Israelis oppress the Palestinians, in the true meaning of the word oppress.
Anyway, I agree to retract "and kills" from my original statement as I had in mind extermination policies that are no longer in place.
What extermination policies would those be?
Turkey also systematically oppresses and kills Kurds and their children, but you don't see Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, or Bush, Jr. taking a stand because Turkey is a NATO ally.
Please keep your false propaganda/bullshit to yourself. 25-30% of Turkey is Kurdish, and they have held and still hold important roles in Turkey, including the head of the parliament during the last term. The "oppression" you speak of is against the PKK (the so-called Kurdistan Workers Party, which is a heavily armed terrorist force responsible for the deaths of around 30,000 people on both sides since 1984) and its Kurdish rebels.
Call it oppression, genocide, whatever you will, if someone takes arms against my country and tries to take a bite out of it, I call it spring cleaning.
"I was pointing out that the move from 130 nm to 100 nm cannot possibly have anything to do with the limit of human visibility, since the former length was already well below the limits of what wavelength humans can see."
Right, that's where the beautiful purple glow comes from when I'm exposing a wafer right?
No, UV lithography is what's been used to expose the photoresist, and it has been for a looooong long time. E-beam lithography is probably what you're thinking.
Turkish TV channels have been doing this for a looong time, especially during soccer games, which have very high ratings and not so many long enough intervals for a 30 second commercial block.
I love the beer commercials during the games, works like a subliminal for me, since I can't get my eyes off the game long enough to notice that there is a beer commercial covering 1/4 of the screen.
I'm not one to point out minor mistakes but these ones especially annoyed me:
1) It is micro-electro mechanical systems. Anyone who has ever read a single article about MEMS would know what it really stands for. It is annoying that noone seems to get a 4-letter acronym.
2) MEMS is not a product of the "emerging nanotechnology". It is a product of the long-available microtechnology just like its name suggests. We have a Microtechnology laboratory where 0.5um is out minimum feature size and we routinely build/develop MEMS devices.
Anyone who writes an article about advanced material should study a bit.
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> So do the people who are hacking your Windows remotely through the media player built into the browser that can't be uninstalled.
Where in my post did I ever say I use Windows for anything?
>> PCs are NOT that hard to assemble."
>Sure, so how do these jumpers on the Hard drive work?
Open hard drive manual, look up jumper settings. Simple? Check.
> Do they go horizontal or vertical?
See above. Simple? Check.
> All I want is a 80 gig Hard drive, does that mean I need IDE? ATA? Does my Motheboard support EIDE?
See motherboard manual, possibly the first couple pages. Simple? Check.
> Where on the motherboard does it go?
One of the only 2 places on a typical board an IDE connector would connect to. Spend 2-3 minutes looking at the board manual if confused. Simple? Check.
> Should I power it up first and leave the drives unplugged, so i can mess with the BIOS?
Not a particularly smart question since you jump in the bios *before* drives are detected, at least in 99% of the boards.
> My time is worth more than reading "Assembling PCs for Dummies."
You're saying you'd gladly pay twice the price (a BTO system costs you $100 more in the PC world, but not in the Mac side)
If you are saying you'd rather not read a simple manual and overpay instead you are no better than a PC user who bashes Macs without even trying one.
I personally do not like Macs. Used them plenty of times, and I hated just about everything, starting with the mice. I like total control of what's in my machines, so I build them myself. I haven't bought a BTO system since I was 12. I like the upgradability and the fact even if I put a machine together from spare parts and know it'll work just fine.
I like the bang for the buck I get from PC's, and if I ever decided to increase my budget for computers I would go for a Sun box.
I *love* Mozilla: I love tabbed browsing, the beautiful rendering, popup control, and all the other goodies that come with it.
BUT I don't think I'll ever be able to use Mozilla as my primary browser. I tried multiple times to migrate to it, yet every single time my humble computer kindly let me know that it can't keep up.
I'm not trying to start a flamewar, I think Netscape is bloated as much as the next person, but at the same time I can't see why Mozilla is so slow and resource crazy either.
All in all, if Mozilla doesn't get *much* faster by 1.0, I won't be using it for a while.
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Yes, and for those very reasons it makes about 99% of the viewers laugh hysterically. I'm sorry you are among the other 1%.
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Agreed, Family Guy kicks ass, but I don't think any character (cartoon or real) will ever replace the God-like Homer.
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They can be actuated with a bunch of different methods. The easiest is a comb drive. I'll let you read up on it. As for how they are made: Most gear-like structures are built with "surface micromachining" ie: building up on silicon with SiO2, polysilicon, metal, various epoxies like SU-8 etc. There is, however, another way to build many structures too, it is bulk micromachining. In bulk micromachining, the device is built on a single crystal silicon, that is, by etching into the silicon and having the body of your machine be the silicon you started with (and of course the other various materials I said before). For all of you who wonder how bulk micromachining works, I suggest you check out Berkeley's "Single Crystal Reactive Etching and Metallization" (SCREAM) process.
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One method we used in our lab was to use tiny gear support posts. Once you use the HF vapor to etch away the sacrificial SiO2 from underneath these prevent stiction (sticking + friction).
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It just means using light with a shorter wavelength to etch the silicon wafer, allowing you to use a smaller micron process than you could with longer wavelengths.
Actually the light is just used to "expose" the photoresist to pattern your wafer (Si, GaAs, etc). Depending on the type of your resist (negative or positive) the exposed areas of the resist either solidifies or solubilizes and when you develop it in the appropriate developer you are left with your pattern on the wafer. The etching is done later using the photoresist as a mask to cover areas you don't want etched.
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What does shipping into the channel mean?
My point was that the only way they could be sure that they are testing a processor that is truly off-the-shelf/consumer product would be to actually go and grab it from a shelf themselves. It sounds to me like this was sent to them. Any hardware addressed specifically to a review site is destined to be tweaked, no matter where it came from.
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From the article:
The Northwood Pentium 4 processor chips we have are off-the-shelf chips, the same as any consumer would buy. No specially picked chips or engineering samples here, folks!
From CNN: (front page)
SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- Intel Corp. on Monday will unveil its fastest-ever microprocessor, a Pentium 4 chip that not only allows it to maintain its leadership over rival Advanced Micro Devices Inc., but also introduces what analysts said is a critical improvement in Intel's memory chip technology.
I'm pretty hungover from last night but I'm still pretty sure today is Sunday.
How can they get off-the-shelf chips for testing when they're not available to the consumers yet?
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Well, for one, the basic program startup time. Your average bloatware (xemacs, staroffice, mozilla, etc) takes longer to start than they did on the 2.2 tree. I didn't time the processes with the two different kernels or anything so I guess I can't back that with hard evidence but it feels that way. The second one (which I've also heard from many other people) is the slowdown with disk i/o. When I am copying large files from one drive to another or there is simply a large amount of drive activity, my computer becomes virtually unusable. I mean, it takes 2-3 seconds to switch desktops in X. I've heard from a friend that 2.4.13 seemed to improve this situation for him, but it didn't for me.
I guess my problem is that I used to be able to run 2.2.* with X on a 233mhz machine just fine, and 2.4.* feels just like that on a 500. Maybe not *that* bad but 2.4 is a steep performance drop compared to 2.2 for me.
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I've been using linux since the very early 2.0.* days and for the most part I keep up with every kernel released. Since I've moved to 2.4.*, I've notices an incredible slowdown on my machine, even in post-2.4.13 kernels which supposedly did something to improve performance.
Personally I'm about ready to go back to good old fast&stable&reliable 2.2 tree. I wonder if we really need to make the kernel this sluggish for the sake of introducing new stuff in the kernel level though. I know I'm not the only one who noticed the performance drop with 2.4.*.
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Disclaimer: I am not trying to flame, just pointing out the blatantly obvious misunderstanding and overuse of question marks.
Here is my point, a bit clearer this time: I do not doubt the fact that he will not be buying a ps2 because he can't back up his games. What I don't believe is that his actual intention for wanting a mod chip is actually backing up his games. Anyone who claims that they won't be buying ps2 due to the lack of a backup mechanism is lying, and this is painfully obvious. I have a ton of ps1 games and I didn't have a single one go bad before.
In short: At least admit that the real reason anyone wouldn't buy a ps2 (because of the copy protection) would be because they can't *copy games*, not because they can't take backups.
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I will not buy a PS2 until I can backup my game collection.
I believe that comment, I was born yesterday.
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I agree with you completely. I already have a bachelor's in CS and I'm going for another one in computer engineering (by taking 2 years of *just* EE classes). I take an average of 5 EE classes a semester and I have a very good GPA. I definately did not take the path of least resistance and I do not suck up for grades. I am good in the field, I study, and I know exactly what the prof. expects -- probably because I've been in college longer than most other people in my classes.
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Agreed. Just last night I put 2.4.15 on a friend's computer to fix some stuff up for him. After a couple reboots (sync'ing before every reboot is a good thing) I noticed I needed the slack install cd which I didn't have with me, reverted to 2.2.19 and told him I'd fix it up later.
Now what tf was I supposed to tell him if 2.4.15 corrupted his HD in the process? "Yea we say Linux is rock solid but the stable tree might fuck your partitions every once in a while"?
I mean, come on, this is the tool for M$ FUD.
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