>>>You do know he was talking about ideas, not recordings, right?
Well then I shall pick-up where Thomas Jefferson left off: If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, a song, a movie, or the recording of such things. (And so on.)
While I see the value in granted a *temporary* monopoly to the creators of such things, ultimately that is a NON-natural state of affairs and the monopoly should expire within a certain time frame, so balance may be restored. That is how civilization progresses..... through the liberated flowing of ideas among all the minds of humanity. Let the author have his monopoly, but only long enough that he is compensated for his labors, and nothing further.
>>>Two big black guys standing outside a polling place
Two ARMED black guys, who were caught on video intimating voters. In one you see a white guy walk up, turn-away, and then mutter "I'm scared" .
>>>it was the Bush DOJ that dropped the case.
Since the case was only announced "dropped" two months ago, your statement is flat wrong. .
>>>they obtained consent when they loaned the computers.
This statement is as wrong as your previous statement. They obtained consent to MAINTAIN the computer, not to turn on the camera in children's bedrooms and snap photos.
>>>A war is liberal because it's a large government enterprise? You're an idiot.
Liberal == more government is desired. War == more government is the result. QED they are partners in crime.
I think where you are making a bad assumption is because you equate liberal with the Democrat Party, and I am not. I am using "liberal" in pure sense. It is a desire for more government and more regulation and more control. There's no better way to gain more control, power, and regulations than to throw a war (even if it's just a nonsense war - like Prohibition of Alcohol, or Drugs, or Internet Porn, or Licenses for Bloggers).
Grocery stores are pretty free market. I have about 20 of them to choose from in my area, and their pricing is very competitive (just 1-2 pennies profit per item sold). IMHO the ideal for any industry is to copy the grocery market - provide consumers with as many choices as possible.
It happens almost every day. Just this morning I saw a TV reporter discussing Comcast, their high prices (almost tripled in just ten years), and whether or not their government-granted license should be revoked.
Bush was not a conservative. Just like Blagoevich was not an innocent man. And Hitler was not a Socialist.
I hated Bush the moment he set foot on the public stage, and can proudly say I never voted for the mother-fucking Nazi bastard. And yes that word is appropriate. Only a Nazi would label the Patriot Act a "good law". It is unconstitutional and should be immediately nullified by the Member States.
>>>the word "liberal" in it as being a horrible thing.
Liberal is not a bad word, if it's used in the sense of the original 1600s-1800s liberals i.e. Small, chained government and maximum, individual liberty. They both share the same root.
The problem is that the modern word has been hijacked by people who want to turn citizens into Serfs of the government. To compel citizens to do certain things (or else be punished) is a perversion of the word "liberal" idealism. It's merely a throwback to the pre-enlightenment age where human beings were just playthings of the government leadership.
>>>If we're talking about America today, "conservatism" is all about protecting the status quo, where the government is run by corporations.
Complete and other bullshit. Conservative was developed in opposition to FDR's New Deal, and since the 1940s has meant holding to Jeffersonian ideals, like obeying the Constitution's limit on government power. In recent years (2002-8) some forgot those ideals because they were caught by anti-terrorist war fever, but the overall seventy year history has been towards less government.
I am Republican-registered, and I am firmly against corporations. I hate them almost as much as I hate the jack-booted thugs in WW2 flicks.
>>>With the exception of Faux News, most TV news shows seem to transcend any notion of "liberal vs conservative". They are "pro-market share"
FOX keeps its eye on the ratings too. They are conservative per Murdock's mandate, but they are also the #1 news outlet on television (getting twice as much audience as any other channel). They continue on this path because it's profitable.
>>>Have you watched any of these so-called liberal media outlets? They all supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
i.e. A pro-big-government stance. That's very liberal. War is the health of the State - more war == more government. In contrast "less government" means no wars, except as a last resort (the same way you shoot a thief in your living room, because you're left with no other choice). .
>>>spoke about taxes on the top 5% of the income distribution as hurting public school teachers
I don't remember hearing any of this. .
>>>and never pointed out that "death panels" and other bullshit lies about the health insurance reform were bullshit lies.
Yes they did. MSNBC spoke about the death panels frequently and called it utter nonsense. Ditto ABC, CBS, and NBC albeit less often (due to time constraints). These liberal TV outlets all defended the Healthcare bill... they were siding with more, bigger government.
I think many many many people on slashdot have this absurd notion that big corporations are always pro-free market and therefore conservative. This is 100% pure crap. Big corporations tend to be in bed with big government (both republicans and democrats) because... the rules and regulations that these same big corporations are WRITING.
Quoted for truth. Anyone who thinks corporations are anti-government (i.e. conservative) clearly don't understand how the real world works. Look how the Insruance Companies wrote the Healthcare Bill, and now they have a guaranteed income from 99.9% of Americans (buy insurance or the Congress will fine you ~$950). The insurance stocks went up rapidly after that bill was passed.
In addition to writing rules, corporations in favor of more, bigger government also gain by locking-out competition. Comcast, Cox, and other CATV providers are an obvious example of this: They secured for themselves a government-protected monopoly in the 70s/80 and now anybody who tries to run a parallel network finds themselves sued or blocked by the government.
>>>The FBI investigated the case and found there was not enough evidence to convict anyone of criminal charges.
The FBI also investigated the Black Panthers that were standing in front of voting polls, and intimidating white voters, and found not enough evidence to convict anyone even though there's TONS of evidence (video, eyewitness testimony). So I think it's understandable why I don't trust the FBI's judgement on this or any other matters. .
>>>Are you claiming the FBI is in cahoots with...
Strawman argument. I never said anything of the kind. HOWEVER there was a camera placed inside bedrooms that could spy on (and was used to photograph) Pennsylvanian children. That alone is reason enough to prosecute. It's an illegal search by a government authority without Judge-issued warrant.
>>>My dorm had coed bathrooms. There were multiple shower stalls and, depending on the actual dorm, each shower stall had a door
So you're supposed to get dressed and undressed inside the stall? Where do you hang the clothes without them getting wet? In every dorm I've ever visited you get naked in view of every one, hang or lay the clothes in a dry spot, and THEN enter the stall. Is that what you did in your coed dorm? Hmmmm. Your story sounds mysterious.
Don't worry. In Soviet (european) Union the students mysteriously disappear to the Polish wilderness. Nobody gets away with bugging the government employees!;-)
>>>At least, that's what all those "feminist sexual exploration" films made it seem like.
Yeah. And many Hollywood teen films show coed shower rooms, but I've yet to find any colleges that offer said feature. Closest I ever came was at Penn State with a mixed boys/girl hall, but we had separate showers.:-| Jeez. How is a young nerd supposed to learn what boobies look like? Maybe the teen films are not entirely accurate?
>>>I clearly remember looking at it and knowing full well it was false, but that I could tell that it was attracting me to pick up the box and want it. I remember feeling tricked
Ditto. Even now I see this beautiful picture on the front of a Windows 7 box, but the reality falls far short.;-) But seriously: I don't know who did Atari's art but I always thought it was cool. The other art from Commodore, Mattel, Coleco was kinda "blah" but Atari box art always looked unique. Like the Star Wars poster. Suitable for collecting in a giant notebook (holds up notebook).
I've heard this story many times, about how Atari, Intellivision, Coleco, and Commodore box art was misleading but I think it's ultimately silly.
Nobody at the time actually believed they were getting a colorful cartoon instead of a lo-res 160x240 blocky game. We knew what we were getting, and besides the screenshots were *on the back of the box* or in the Atari Age magazine. We consumers knew what what we were getting before we got it, and yet we still wanted it. So what if Dig Dug looks like a mess of white squares and his music sounds like it came out of a touchtone phone? It's still hella fun.
The result is I've developed a kind of fetish. I like games that look pixelated and music that sounds computerized, better than the hyper-realistic "head-splattering video overlaid with a 500-piece orchestra" games that exist today. The less realistic the game (think Space Channel 5), the more I like it.
If corporations are "conservative" how come almost all their TV Media outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN) are pro-big-government and anti-individual liberty? It appears the corporations are actually the opposite of conservative: Progressive (aka liberal).
And in other news: - Payola is still alive and well. - Developed film at 11. - Color me unsurprised.
Yeah I'm sure being off by 1-2 second will cause no problems.
This just in: (AP) NASA's latest mars probe smashed into the planet. "Our computers did not include leap seconds, so the probe fired the retro rockets one second too early. It thought it was 9:05:30 when it was actually only 9:05:29. It fired too early, and entered at a sharp angle instead of a gentle, soft landing." Observers are saying this event is reminiscent of a few years ago when NASA engineers calculated using feet instead of meters, causing the loss of another mars probe.
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Oh well then I guess it was more advanced than Classic Mac OS after all (which never had preemptive tasking).
>>>You do know he was talking about ideas, not recordings, right?
Well then I shall pick-up where Thomas Jefferson left off: If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, a song, a movie, or the recording of such things. (And so on.)
While I see the value in granted a *temporary* monopoly to the creators of such things, ultimately that is a NON-natural state of affairs and the monopoly should expire within a certain time frame, so balance may be restored. That is how civilization progresses..... through the liberated flowing of ideas among all the minds of humanity. Let the author have his monopoly, but only long enough that he is compensated for his labors, and nothing further.
>>>Two big black guys standing outside a polling place
Two ARMED black guys, who were caught on video intimating voters. In one you see a white guy walk up, turn-away, and then mutter "I'm scared"
.
>>>it was the Bush DOJ that dropped the case.
Since the case was only announced "dropped" two months ago, your statement is flat wrong.
.
>>>they obtained consent when they loaned the computers.
This statement is as wrong as your previous statement. They obtained consent to MAINTAIN the computer, not to turn on the camera in children's bedrooms and snap photos.
>>>A war is liberal because it's a large government enterprise? You're an idiot.
Liberal == more government is desired.
War == more government is the result.
QED they are partners in crime.
I think where you are making a bad assumption is because you equate liberal with the Democrat Party, and I am not. I am using "liberal" in pure sense. It is a desire for more government and more regulation and more control. There's no better way to gain more control, power, and regulations than to throw a war (even if it's just a nonsense war - like Prohibition of Alcohol, or Drugs, or Internet Porn, or Licenses for Bloggers).
Grocery stores are pretty free market. I have about 20 of them to choose from in my area, and their pricing is very competitive (just 1-2 pennies profit per item sold). IMHO the ideal for any industry is to copy the grocery market - provide consumers with as many choices as possible.
It happens almost every day. Just this morning I saw a TV reporter discussing Comcast, their high prices (almost tripled in just ten years), and whether or not their government-granted license should be revoked.
Bush was not a conservative.
Just like Blagoevich was not an innocent man.
And Hitler was not a Socialist.
I hated Bush the moment he set foot on the public stage, and can proudly say I never voted for the mother-fucking Nazi bastard. And yes that word is appropriate. Only a Nazi would label the Patriot Act a "good law". It is unconstitutional and should be immediately nullified by the Member States.
>>>the word "liberal" in it as being a horrible thing.
Liberal is not a bad word, if it's used in the sense of the original 1600s-1800s liberals i.e. Small, chained government and maximum, individual liberty. They both share the same root.
The problem is that the modern word has been hijacked by people who want to turn citizens into Serfs of the government. To compel citizens to do certain things (or else be punished) is a perversion of the word "liberal" idealism. It's merely a throwback to the pre-enlightenment age where human beings were just playthings of the government leadership.
>>>If we're talking about America today, "conservatism" is all about protecting the status quo, where the government is run by corporations.
Complete and other bullshit. Conservative was developed in opposition to FDR's New Deal, and since the 1940s has meant holding to Jeffersonian ideals, like obeying the Constitution's limit on government power. In recent years (2002-8) some forgot those ideals because they were caught by anti-terrorist war fever, but the overall seventy year history has been towards less government.
I am Republican-registered, and I am firmly against corporations. I hate them almost as much as I hate the jack-booted thugs in WW2 flicks.
>>>With the exception of Faux News, most TV news shows seem to transcend any notion of "liberal vs conservative". They are "pro-market share"
FOX keeps its eye on the ratings too. They are conservative per Murdock's mandate, but they are also the #1 news outlet on television (getting twice as much audience as any other channel). They continue on this path because it's profitable.
>>>Have you watched any of these so-called liberal media outlets? They all supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
i.e. A pro-big-government stance. That's very liberal. War is the health of the State - more war == more government. In contrast "less government" means no wars, except as a last resort (the same way you shoot a thief in your living room, because you're left with no other choice).
.
>>>spoke about taxes on the top 5% of the income distribution as hurting public school teachers
I don't remember hearing any of this.
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>>>and never pointed out that "death panels" and other bullshit lies about the health insurance reform were bullshit lies.
Yes they did. MSNBC spoke about the death panels frequently and called it utter nonsense. Ditto ABC, CBS, and NBC albeit less often (due to time constraints). These liberal TV outlets all defended the Healthcare bill... they were siding with more, bigger government.
I think many many many people on slashdot have this absurd notion that big corporations are always pro-free market and therefore conservative. This is 100% pure crap. Big corporations tend to be in bed with big government (both republicans and democrats) because... the rules and regulations that these same big corporations are WRITING.
Quoted for truth. Anyone who thinks corporations are anti-government (i.e. conservative) clearly don't understand how the real world works. Look how the Insruance Companies wrote the Healthcare Bill, and now they have a guaranteed income from 99.9% of Americans (buy insurance or the Congress will fine you ~$950). The insurance stocks went up rapidly after that bill was passed.
In addition to writing rules, corporations in favor of more, bigger government also gain by locking-out competition. Comcast, Cox, and other CATV providers are an obvious example of this: They secured for themselves a government-protected monopoly in the 70s/80 and now anybody who tries to run a parallel network finds themselves sued or blocked by the government.
>>>The FBI investigated the case and found there was not enough evidence to convict anyone of criminal charges.
The FBI also investigated the Black Panthers that were standing in front of voting polls, and intimidating white voters, and found not enough evidence to convict anyone even though there's TONS of evidence (video, eyewitness testimony). So I think it's understandable why I don't trust the FBI's judgement on this or any other matters.
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>>>Are you claiming the FBI is in cahoots with...
Strawman argument. I never said anything of the kind. HOWEVER there was a camera placed inside bedrooms that could spy on (and was used to photograph) Pennsylvanian children. That alone is reason enough to prosecute. It's an illegal search by a government authority without Judge-issued warrant.
>>>My dorm had coed bathrooms. There were multiple shower stalls and, depending on the actual dorm, each shower stall had a door
So you're supposed to get dressed and undressed inside the stall? Where do you hang the clothes without them getting wet? In every dorm I've ever visited you get naked in view of every one, hang or lay the clothes in a dry spot, and THEN enter the stall. Is that what you did in your coed dorm? Hmmmm. Your story sounds mysterious.
The second-to-last Eureka episode on Skiffy Channel. It used to be rare, but the "coed shower" shtick is pretty common now.
Yeah but you don't get that "three-dimensional" feel you'd have in an actual coed shower.
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Don't worry. In Soviet (european) Union the students mysteriously disappear to the Polish wilderness. Nobody gets away with bugging the government employees! ;-)
>>>At least, that's what all those "feminist sexual exploration" films made it seem like.
Yeah. And many Hollywood teen films show coed shower rooms, but I've yet to find any colleges that offer said feature. Closest I ever came was at Penn State with a mixed boys/girl hall, but we had separate showers. :-| Jeez. How is a young nerd supposed to learn what boobies look like? Maybe the teen films are not entirely accurate?
Ya know..... the same way the case in Pennsylvania was dropped when the teachers were caught spying on the girls' bedrooms.
Psyche.
Spying == okay when it's a government employee. Some people are more equal than others.
You mean the buxom blonde doesn't get naked in my romance novel?
Frak.
>>>I clearly remember looking at it and knowing full well it was false, but that I could tell that it was attracting me to pick up the box and want it. I remember feeling tricked
Ditto. Even now I see this beautiful picture on the front of a Windows 7 box, but the reality falls far short. ;-) But seriously: I don't know who did Atari's art but I always thought it was cool. The other art from Commodore, Mattel, Coleco was kinda "blah" but Atari box art always looked unique. Like the Star Wars poster. Suitable for collecting in a giant notebook (holds up notebook).
I've heard this story many times, about how Atari, Intellivision, Coleco, and Commodore box art was misleading but I think it's ultimately silly.
Nobody at the time actually believed they were getting a colorful cartoon instead of a lo-res 160x240 blocky game. We knew what we were getting, and besides the screenshots were *on the back of the box* or in the Atari Age magazine. We consumers knew what what we were getting before we got it, and yet we still wanted it. So what if Dig Dug looks like a mess of white squares and his music sounds like it came out of a touchtone phone? It's still hella fun.
The result is I've developed a kind of fetish. I like games that look pixelated and music that sounds computerized, better than the hyper-realistic "head-splattering video overlaid with a 500-piece orchestra" games that exist today. The less realistic the game (think Space Channel 5), the more I like it.
If corporations are "conservative" how come almost all their TV Media outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN) are pro-big-government and anti-individual liberty? It appears the corporations are actually the opposite of conservative: Progressive (aka liberal).
And in other news:
- Payola is still alive and well.
- Developed film at 11.
- Color me unsurprised.
Yeah I'm sure being off by 1-2 second will cause no problems.
This just in: (AP) NASA's latest mars probe smashed into the planet. "Our computers did not include leap seconds, so the probe fired the retro rockets one second too early. It thought it was 9:05:30 when it was actually only 9:05:29. It fired too early, and entered at a sharp angle instead of a gentle, soft landing." Observers are saying this event is reminiscent of a few years ago when NASA engineers calculated using feet instead of meters, causing the loss of another mars probe.