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  1. Re:OK - That Does It... on MS To Limit Security Fixes to Legal Copies of Windows · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure what you are asking for. I'll give answers to both possibilities. I must say, though, either you are poorly informed, or a troll. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since I am usually poorly informed as well. BTW: This is about SuSE. Why? Because I think its the currently slickest linux Distro. I've used Windows/Mandrake/Debian/Knoppix/Redhat (old)/Fedora/Slack.

    I prefer SuSE. Oh, and updates are cake. The included auto-updater asks if you like to turn on auto-updates, and if not, would you please regularly run the updater.

    A: Install for the OS.
    SuSE has the slickest installer I've seen, Operating System wise. From Bootup to Desktop, everything is graphical. Most hardware is auto-detecting. Hardware which includes difficult to distribute drivers, such the NVIDIA drivers, or various WLAN card drivers, are automatically pulled from the internet after first bootup (using the Auto-Updater). SuSE create a WIDE variety of packages, including all kinds of neat software like Main Actor (Non-linear video editing), and a well integrated OpenOffice.org (looks like KDE). All of this is done via a very easy click through GUI.

    Excellent, incredible documentation, too, especially if you buy the box set (~$70.00). The installer book (Yes, installation has its OWN manual) covers everything from fairly easyish topics (What is Hard disk partitioning? How to I set my Windows to bootup by default? etc etc . . .) Don't take this well written guide as an indication that installation is complicated. Its not. Try it. It's much easier than a Windows install. The guide is there so that you can understand the process, if you'd like to. The User/Administration book is good, too. Covers many pieces of software that come with SuSE, such as OpenOffice.org, or the Gimp. Perhaps ~400 pages of documentation, but it feels like reading a very good quality textbook (with the occasionaly grammatical error.

    Feel free to burn a copy of the CDs/DVDs from your friend, though. YaST, the only previously NON-FREE part of the installer, was freely licensed last year. Now, its legal to distribute the CDs/DVDs, as far as I know, as well as install one $70.00 copy on as many systems as you like.

    B: Installing software once your OS is up and running.

    As long as SuSE rpms are avaliable.

    1. Download package (.rpm).
    2. Click on package.
    3. Dialog pops up. "This action require root access. Please type your root password".
    4. Type root password.
    5. Watch bar go across screen. Either YaST will say "Dependencies needed, please insert disc (1-5) of your installation discs), or "Installation Complete".
    6. Done.

    Many projections now release SuSE packages in addition to Debian/Fedora packages. Don't be too afraid to use a SuSE package for 9.1, most of those should work with 9.2. Anything earlier, however, will have to probably be compiled from source. Before you do this, however, MAKE SURE YOU LOOK at the installation media. I CANNOT stress how often I went through the trouble of installing something from source before I realized that although it may not be avaliable from the Sourceforge project page, a SuSE RPM with updates was avaliable on my installation media.

  2. Re:Installfest for non-gamers on MS To Limit Security Fixes to Legal Copies of Windows · · Score: 0

    Depends on the games you play......

    This is a good time for LUGs to push Transgaming supported games.

    Yes, I know Transgaming's Cedega costs money. Much less than the single cost of a single game, though. ($15 minimum cost).

    This is a list of confirmed working Windows games:
    Note: There are quite a few 'newly released' games on this list, and quite a few MMORPGs (Everquest, Lineage 2, City of Heroes, World of Warcraft). No EQ2, yet, but these other games are more popular anyways :)

    Infact, I'm fairly sure this is an old list. More titles are supported now. I just can't find a newer list. Plus there are not so popular titles or older titles that work perfectly, but many of those already work in Wine.

    * Age of Wonders II
    * Alone in the Dark - The New Nightmare
    * American McGee's Alice
    * Anachronox
    * Anarchy Online
    * Aquanox
    * Armed & Dangerous
    * Babylon 5: I've Found Her
    * Baldur's Gate
    * Baldur's Gate 2
    * Battlefield 1942
    * Battlefield Vietnam
    * Birth of the Federation
    * Black & White
    * Blade Runner
    * Civilization III
    * City of Heroes
    * Clive Barker's Undying
    * Colin McRae Rally 2.0
    * Colin McRae Rally 2004
    * Command & Conquer
    * Command & Conquer: Generals
    * Command & Conquer: Generals Zero Hour
    * Command & Conquer: Red Alert
    * Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2
    * Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun
    * Commandos: Beyond the Call of Duty
    * Counter-Strike: Source
    * Curse of Monkey Island
    * Cyberstorm 2
    * Dark Age Of Camelot
    * Dark Fall: The Journal
    * Darkloader
    * Descent 3
    * Deus Ex
    * Diablo II
    * Disciples II Dark Prophecy
    * Doom3
    * Dragon's Lair 3D
    * Duke Nukem Manhattan Project
    * Dune 2000
    * Dungeon Siege
    * Emperor: Rise Of The Middle Kingdom
    * Europa Universalis 2
    * EverQuest
    * Evil Islands
    * Fallout
    * Fallout 2
    * Far Cry
    * Football Manager 2005
    * Freedom Force
    * Freespace: The Great War
    * Ghost Recon
    * Grand Theft Auto
    * Grand Theft Auto - Vice City
    * Grand Theft Auto III
    * Grim Fandango
    * Half Life
    * Half Life 2
    * Half Life: Blue Shift
    * Half Life: Counter Strike
    * Half Life: Opposing Force
    * Hearts of Iron
    * Heavy Metal F.A.K.K. 2
    * Hitman 2 - Silent Assassin
    * Homeworld
    * Homeworld 2
    * Homeworld Cataclysm
    * Icewind Dale 2
    * Independence War
    * Jagged Alliance 2
    * Jazz Jack Rabbit 2
    * Jedi Knight
    * Knights of the Old Republic
    * Lineage 2
    * Locomotion
    * Lords of Magic
    * MDK2
    * Mafia
    * Magic Online
    * Max Payne
    * Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
    * Monopoly Tycoon
    * Moonbase Commander
    * Need For Speed Underground
    * Need for Speed 3: Hot Pursuit
    * No One Lives Forever
    * Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
    * Outlaws
    * PAX Imperia 2 Eminent Domain
    * Privateer 2 The Darkening Win95
    * Pro Pinball: Fantastic Journey
    * Quake II
    * Red Faction
    * Richard Burns Rally
    * Sacrifice
    * Saga of Ryzom
    * Settlers IV
    * Sid Meier's Pirates!
    * Silent Storm
    * Soldier of Fortune 2: Double Helix
    * Star Trek Armada 2
    * Star Trek Away Team
    * Star Trek Elite Force 2
    * Star Trek Voyager Elite Force
    * Star Wars Galaxies
    * Star Wars Jedi Knight II:Jedi Outcast
    * StarCraft
    * StarCraft Broodwar
    * Starlancer
    * Steam
    * Stronghold
    * SuddenStrike II
    * Syberia
    * Syberia II
    * Syste

  3. Re:Awesome on MS To Limit Security Fixes to Legal Copies of Windows · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously. This is how many family members are.

    They ALL pirate Windows. (I'm the only geek in the family, too).

    Linux is not acceptible, because: It doesn't look the same, it's not secure, it doesn't have office, it doesn't play games, it can't possibly be secure (cause its free).

    Regardless of my counter arguments to ANY of these, they continue using Windows.

    Except, now, that I have told them that they will either have to go out and purchase new computers (with new Windows licenses), or purchase Windows licenses (or be pwned by script kiddies), or switch to Linux.

    Guess which one they choose?

    The Free One. . . . . . .

    If you have to evaluate the pro/cons of switching Operating Systems, the price of Linux makes a whole lot of sense. Even if you decide to pay for some additional pieces of useful software, like Codeweaver's Crossover Office, or Transgaming's Wine (Cedega).

    Of course, the snobs in the family are considering a move to OS X (probably cause I was showing off my newish 12" powerbook), but thats another story.

  4. Quick! Somebody submit a story! on Security Issues in Mozilla · · Score: 1

    Anyone good at writing up story submissions?

    Time to troll Slashdot! Seriously...Given that all three bugs are ALREADY fixed, it shouldn't be too hard to sneak a 'troll' story by about how the Mozilla foundation responded instanteously to these bug reports.

    Use this urlhttp://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?articl e=5844 for the nntp flaw, and link to the same security focus article regarding the other two.

    Why? Because the security article tells you to update your mozilla based software to the latest version to avoid these no-longer-existing.

    And excellent opportunity to troll the story submission queue, and given the cluelessness of slashdot editors, it should be pretty easy to sneak it by.

  5. Re:The important thing is how quickly they get fix on Security Issues in Mozilla · · Score: 1

    Eh? They ARE fixed....

    These affected firefox beta, not release. Check the article..
    By my calculations, fixed over 2 months ago.

  6. Re:And.... on Security Issues in Mozilla · · Score: 1

    The REAL news is they three bugs in firefox were fixed....

    Oh wait, that wouldn't be news, that would be business as usual.

    Read The Article. These are fixed.

  7. This article is BOGUS! on Security Issues in Mozilla · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Slashdot article, not security focus. In plain text, at the top, it says these were FIXED in the latest versions.

    They affect Firefox versions BEFORE 1.0, Thunderbird BEFORE .9, and Mozilla BEFORE 1.7.5.

    This article was posted by some MS shill who is hoping the because Slashdot is spidered by Google news they will get some mainstream journalism about Firefoxes bugs!

    This is TOTAL crap! Let the MS Smear campaign begin!

  8. Re:Unacceptable on Security Issues in Mozilla · · Score: 1

    According to the article, all firefoxes less than 1.0, and mozilla pre-1.7.5.

    They were spotted and corrected before rollout :)

  9. Re:Exactly the problem that a lot of people have on Does Linux Have Game? · · Score: 1
    Any attempt to reverse engineer this will certainly not be helped along by Microsoft and given the complexity of the DirectX libraries, which include routines for sound, 2D and 3D drawing, feedback devices, and many others, the task would be extremely difficult at best.

    It's already been done. You must be aware of wine, right? Now be aware of Cedega, Transgaming's Wine.

    It 'r0x0rs', or whatever a leet speaker would say. Seriously. It works. Their GUI is a little crappy looking, but you don't even need to use it. Install the Cedega RPM on your RPM distribution, and then whenever you want to install a Windows game, right click on the setup.exe, 'open with cedega', click ok. Do your normal 'Windows' setup procedure. Icon will appear on Desktop, and in the KDE menu, under 'Transgaming->Software'.

    Yes, it does NOT support all games. But it supports enough of them, and they have a decent system for voting that allows subscribers to choose which games they will work on.

  10. Re:Exactly the problem that a lot of people have on Does Linux Have Game? · · Score: 1

    If you aren't afraid of buying software, go and subscribe to Transgaming.

    As long as you are using a video card with decent 3d in linux, you will be able to run those titles.

    UT, btw, comes with linux support. Transgaming's Cedega (based on Wine) will happily run Half Life 2. So I don't believe your complaint is all that valid.

    Yes, Cedega costs money. So does Windows. $5 a month, minimum of 3 month membership, versus the $$ cost of using windows, and the headache of using windows. I am an avid gamer, and refuse to run windows now.

  11. There's nothing wrong with this. on US to Pay to go to ISS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. It's a drop in the ocean. As people have said all over this discussion, its $20million per launch versus $1 billion for the shuttle. It'd make more sense to scrap the shuttle completely, give up on it, and codevelop/comanufacture Soyuez with the Russians.

    2. It's realistic. The Russian space program is extremely strapped for cash, yet we are RELYING on it to keep the ISS in space. Yes, the U.S. has probably paid more in this venture. At the same time, the U.S. has a great deal more funding avaliable. Not even the U.S. government at large, but NASA it self. NASA's budget is many, many times the size of the Russia space program.

    Instead of thinking of Russia as some kind of nebulous partner, think about it this way: For launches, we are 'contracting' out to the Russian space program.

    Doesn't sound so bad in that context, eh? Who would you rather pay? American contractors, to work on the shuttle, literally spending BILLIONS of dollars, 70% of which is pork? Or the Russian space program, which incidentially helps (slightly) our relationship with Russia, and who can do the job better, faster, and cheaper.

    Screw the shuttle. They do it better, and we should learn from them. We American's need to pull our head's out of our collective anuses.

    The Russians attempted to build a space shuttle in the 70s, and failed because of the cost (not techincal reasons). We should learn from that. It's just TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE.

    3. There's no way around it. Russia doesn't have the money any more. That's a combination of our fault and their fault, by the way. Yes, communism was failing, because it was rotten. Their new economic system, shock-therapy capitalism, has so far been a disaster, as well. We planned it for them, eh? We set Russia up for this economic nightmare. They are, however, a competent people, with immense natural resources, so they will recover. At some point. But right now, there simply is no money in the Russian Space Agencies coffers.

    For all you idiotic nae-sayers: THEY AREN'T TRYING TO GOUGE US! WHAT THEY ASK FOR IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT BOEING WOULD ASK FOR! WE NEED THEM TO KEEP LAUNCHING SOYUEZ UNITS! THEY CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT FINANCIAL HELP!

    Btw: I believe the number of Soyuez missions has stepped up because us, the U.S., can't get to space!

    In comparison to our domestic contractors, or the ESA (European), or the JSA (Japanese), the Russians do a fine, cheap job.

  12. Re:I didn't realize WARS were such a trade secret. on World of Warcraft Gamespot GOTY 2004 · · Score: 1

    Here's the problem:

    You could make an over-arching plot for the game, but then it be boring for the players who aren't at the headlines.

    Sure, the story would be amazing for the generals, or for this hero or that hero, but grunt joe schmoe, who's role it is to die at the first skirmish of the war, would not have the best of times.

    Also, I'm guessing that WoW will have regular war style conflicts. I'm guessing that at some point, gnomeregan will attempt to be retaken, and on some servers it will be, and on others it won't be.

    Tarren Mill/Southshore will probably have it out, too, and one of them will be burned.

    I think that Blizzard just hasn't gotten round to that, and any kind of 'war' event will have to have active GM support.

  13. Re:One may ask, why? on RIP Pentium II, 1997 - 2006 · · Score: 1

    Several PCs in our office run XP on PII class machines.

    The key is more ram.

    384-512 mb ram, and everything feels just dandy.

    Harddisk upgrades are nice, too, but the processor speed really isn't that important.

    We've got people working on 400 mhz machines with 512 mbs of ram, newish 80 gig 7200 rpm drives, 17" lcds with geforce era video cards. We're a small business, and we bargain hunt for all this stuff (80 gig drives from office depot for $20 after rebate, 17" lcds for 179$ after rebate, 512 or 256 mb dimms for 20-30$ after rebate. Whatever crappy radeon 9000 we can find for nothing at the local retailers when they go on sale, etc. . .) To be honest, the biggest 'happy' factor came when everyone got brand new black lcd screens. Lots of smiles at that upgrade.

    Makes a decent, responsive office machine, with a low cost to us, and has been a convenient upgrade path.

    Now, I've been lobbying like crazy to switch machines to linux, and slow, one-by-one, I've been making converts, but it doesn't happen to quickly, unfortunately. Personally, I refuse to use anything Windows----OS X on my powerbook, SuSE 9.2 on my servers and desktops.

    But for the other people in my office, whom I don't have the time yet to train on linux (but I will), XP runs fine on their older machines.

  14. Re:Daring Fireball covered this on Rumored iPod Flash Leaked · · Score: 1

    I run on a daily basis, for atleast 30 minutes at a time.

    With my 20gig 4g (or whatever is the latest) iPod.

    Perhaps this afflicts other players, thought I never noticed it with my RCA lyra.

    But I'm sure my iPod works fine under running circumstances, or sitting in my pocket while I lift weights.

  15. Bizarre on Self-Adapting Traffic Lights · · Score: 2, Informative

    What's the deal with news about stoplights?

    Stoplights that show timers in Singapore?

    Supposedly 'new' smart stoplights?

    Here, in the midwest USA, for all of our many faults, for our political apathy, for our boring and endlessly flat terrain, one thing we do have is intelligent stoplights...

    There are weight sensors in the road (and sometimes several distances of sensors) that determine when groups of cars approach an intersection.

    It really does work fairly well, but there are limited gains in very high traffic situations.

    This is both near and in Chicago, as well as in Iowa, and small towns all over the area.

    AFAIK, its a very standard technology.

  16. Re:Mixed feeling on HIV Vaccine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We have this in the U.S. too. This is how health insurance companies can afford to provide such cheap drug benefit plans (if your lucky enough to have insurance).

    During the times in my life when I've had benefits (now is one of them, thank god), i've been amazed at the huge difference in cost for drugs. I can understand that doctors cost money, and without benefits, I'll pay them upwards of $100 a visit. I think it's bonkers that with insurance, I pay ~$15 a prescription, and without, I can pay $200+.

    Somewhere, Somehow, I believe there is a legal/market structure that causes non-insured people to subsidize insured drug purchases, and I find that abhorrent.

    It's fine that my benefit payments go towards reducing my drug costs. It's not fine that the average non-insured sap out there is making my drugs cheaper. That needs to be fixed (even if it makes my drugs more expensive).

    Non-insured people might have to pay more than insured people. This should have to do with the insurance covering my payements, not with some fancy-shmancy rebate structure where a portion of the pre-insurance costs of my drugs get refunded to big pharma.

    Mind you, this doesn't mean that I'll turn down my health insurance. I'm not sure if that make me a hypocrit, but I'm simply not willing to be sick, and I couldn't afford treatement (when I need it) otherwise.

    BTW: I agree, Canadian drugs are perfectly safe. Also, I'm not sure we need a socialist health system in the U.S., but us Americans do need to take a good, hard look at the laws/regulations that allow the insurers/big pharma to operate the way that they do.
    If we decide that the regulatory system is simply unsalvigable, then maybe we need national healthcare. But so far, no one has even been willing to address all the red-tape, all of the monopolies and other crap that we assign to big pharma. Here we are, talking about universal health care (in national politics, I don't mean /.), but no one has even considered dropping or removing patent protection for drug manufactures. Imagine, if that had to capitalize on their invention in 1 year, and after that, it became legal to produce generically, and no amount of reformulation could make it become patented again.

    I think that could make a serious difference. Add some tort reform, and the whole health care industry changes.

  17. Re:My first impression: on Peer Impact Signs 3 Major Record Labels · · Score: 1

    Two points:

    a: By searching, I do not mean that you use a search tool to find what you want rapidly. I mean that you logon to your P2P network, wait, wait, wait, enter a search term, start downloading, wait for peers to disconnet and reconnect, etc. Not very fast or intuitive. There is a very different experience between iTunes and P2P music sharing. To me, the conveinence of iTunes is worth 1$ a song.

    b: I'm happy with it too. But, I believe that it will take more than the legality of a model to determine whether or not it is worth paying for. For me, iTunes is worth paying for, because it is a: much faster at finding songs I want, and enables me to download it ASAP, and b: well organized, with many items that I might want readily avaliable. I hate P2P, not even so much because of the legality, but because those networks are SO INCONVIENT.

    Think about it. If it was just about the legality, it would make sense to host all sorts of content on P2P networks. We'd get out linux isos, and all sorts of other legal content. But we don't---Why? Because they are just not terribly efficent.

    iTunes bring a better model to the table, and I'm skeptical than anything that inherents the crappy model of other P2P networks will be able to draw customers---

    I can see people not worrying about Kazaa's unreliable nature, because it is free.

    If I license a song, I will expect it to download prompty. It remains to see if Wurld Media can provide this.

  18. My first impression: on Peer Impact Signs 3 Major Record Labels · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a service, that in almost everyway, is simply another pay-for-download music model.

    You login, you license a song, you download it (with DRM).

    Here's the difference, I'm guessing:

    It's P2P. You download it from someone else on the network. That person gets some sort of recompensation based upon outgoing bandwidth used for legally purchased downloads.

    Thus, if you have 100s of gigs online (legally purchased), and you serve it out on a fat pipe, and its stuff thats indemand, you may find a portion of your 'costs' paid for by the service.

    Might work. Depend on whether or not the bandwidth savings for Wurld Media result in cheaper prices per song.

    I doubt it, personal. Don't think they'll go under iTunes, and it'll still be difficult to compete with free.

    It's a neat idea, but its just TOO late. You have mature free filesharing networks, and it just isn't going to work to introduce not-free (as in beer) networks.

    It's telling consumers: Here, I have a product, its just like the one you already have, but you have to pay for mine.

    Right.

    At least with iTunes&look-a-likes, you get instant access to the music you want. Pay-for-P2P is slow, requires searching for music you may want, and requires money? Worst of all worlds.

    I guess it is legal, and for the small portion of the public of which the legality of music sharing is a big deal, this may matter. But that demographic is a small part of slashdot, and I'm betting that its an even smaller part of the world at large.

  19. Re:Irony on Kyoto Treaty to Enter Into Force · · Score: 2, Informative

    You misread it. He was being funny.

    Common misconstruction of a sentence:

    Either we loose jobs to places like China, OR we sign on to Kyoto.

    Implying if we sign on to Kyoto, that will save jobs.

    He was merely pointing out a grammatical misconstruction

  20. Hmm..... on Fl. County Halts FTTP Until Installation Is Safer · · Score: 1

    Let's see.

    FTTH.

    Geysers of sewage.

    I think we can safely sacrifice up to 12.5% of the population in the deployment.

    Let the pr0n wars begin!

    I'll see you on the other side! Go Fiber!

  21. Re:Monitoring, huh? on Chinese Team Heading for Coldest Spot on Earth · · Score: 1

    It's not impossible.

    Just think totally enclosed climate.

    Build a geodesic dome. Add nuclear power plant.

    Voila, you can have a fully heated, workable environment, with much less risk/difficulty than a space station.

    Cost, now, that's a different story.

    Transport is tought, too, under those circumstances.

  22. Re:First you need to ask yourself these two questi on Could Nuclear Power Wean the U.S. From Oil? · · Score: 1

    Absolutely :) Nice to have it so clearly laid.

    Most people, I think, are disappointed by the thought that intra/intergalactic travel is impossible.

    It's not. You just leave everything you've every known behind.

    The stars are within humanities reach, and I find that comforting.

  23. Re:First you need to ask yourself these two questi on Could Nuclear Power Wean the U.S. From Oil? · · Score: 1

    One of us is confused about relativity. I'm not sure if it is you or me, and I feel confused, so it might be me.

    Let's assume constant acceleration, 3g. I'm not sure what that would do to human health, but lets just assume that we'd be okay, or that we figured some way around it. Here is the calucation done to reach .99c. It takes us 3 years to get to .99c. Time dilation at that speed is a factor of 7. This means: That it would take us, the pilots, 10 years to go 70 light years, and the rest of the universe would have slightly over 70 years pass.

    Add some time for slowdown&speed up.

    If you go .999c, the dilation factor increases to 22. We can get within 222 light years, no sweat. The heat death of the universe is still quite aways away. While it is painful to think about travelling half-way across the universe (as if that statement meant anything), our local region is definietly within the realm of human life, even from the perspective of observer, not pilot. Outside of one generation ! necessairly = outside of humanities grasp.

    The otherside of the cosmos, however, might be.

    Now, if I can only think of a way to build my DIY Alcubierre drive :)

    IMHO, this is what we need: Cheap, easy to store energy. Antimatter, or something. Purely inductive drives, or some kind of low-fuel requirement ramscoup thing. Longegevity treatment.

    If we live forever, or a REALLY long time, the heavens can still be ours, even though breaking the FTL problem might be impossible.

  24. Re:Some Insightful, Some Not So Insightful on Pitfalls and Options For Business-Desktop Linux · · Score: 1

    Use SuSE. All of these problems are corrected.

    Net Neighborhood is present on the desktop. KDE desktop, anyways. Also, you can right click on a folder, and share it----it appears as a SMB share.

    Priting has a central tie-in in Yast. Printers are automagically configured, if they are USB plug-n-play. Network printers are automagically discovered. Sharing networking printers is easy.

    Laptop support.
    Blar Blar. Yast installs ACX100, as well as several other drivers automatically. Ndiswrapper is still not automatica, but some manufacturers have licensed linuxant's driverloader, which works nicely.

    ACPI is still a problem, though APM works on laptops that offer it.

    Terminal service: Yup, its a myth.

  25. Re:Would it be stupid of me.... on China's Superior Technologies · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but nobody bothers with the Second World anymore.

    China, IIRC, was third world, and did not graduate to the second world when the nationalist lost power.

    Too backwards.

    At least, most of the literature I've read lately refers to them as such. I'd be happy to call them Second World, except that I really think that the typology is a bit silly, and although there are significant poor populations in China, the country is developing rapidly, regardless of whether or not that is sustainable.