If Im teaching some one how to use a *nix, im not going to show them how to use linuxconf, or/stand/sysinstall to do things. Im going to assume they need to do real work, and may some time have to use the machine with out/usr mounted. If they just want to word proccess, or surf the web, I'd say use OSX.
Why would my mom run FreeBSD, or Linux? Because they are free is not a good answer. An hour of my time is worth the price of any consumer OS, not to mention the agrivation of trying to explain to my dad how to fsck the disk manualy, because the dog kicked the power cable out.
I would be very careful ever using the word all on slashdot. I used a sun as a desktop for a long time. The Real Player for that was antiquated and did not play modern movies. I also used BeOS for a while, no Real Player for that.
Just because it runs on linux, does not make it run on "all of the platforms that end-users use"
Its opptimized for the x86. Sure OSX ships with it, but apple did do heavy optimization for it. Those chages may not have been rolled back in to the tree yet, so I would not trust these bench marks. Your running an os that is optimized for intel, and a compiler that is optimized for intel, and comparing them to a ported copy.
Most people know that gcc is slower on suns then the sun compiler. That is all about optimization. So why wouldn't it be the same for ppc?
Try doing this benchmark on darwin, and im sure the macs will do better against the intel boxes running darwin, then running linux. Im not saying that it will be faster, im just saying your comparing apples and oranges.
I forgot how picky I need to be with my words on slashdot.
The last public sendmail exploit that I know of was linux only.
I am not a zealot for any OS. I mostly work with Solaris, and Free, with some Open, but I never said they were the best for any job.
I was responding to the whole barebones default install for Open, and how I thought that was a good thing. That is all I am saying.
I am not saying that all linux sucks, and is bloated. I will say that some linux distributions install way to much by default, but that is a diffrent matter.
And yes, I am a professional.
So to sum up, default of OpenBSD is good, if you want more stuff, thats what the ports tree is for.
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You can, but not for a signifacant amount of money. People will just download the source and make it them selves. Think about a product like Veritas Volume Manager. If it was gpled, Veritas would not make nearly as much money. People are not going to pay 4 grand for the media, and manuals.
So on this same logic, should they discontinue drug testing in the Olympics? Let athletes make the decision not to take steroids because it is wrong? This software harms the gameplay for other players.
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But it does suck away vitality. As soon as you use GPLed source in in your product, you suck away any chance of makeing money off selling the product. Sure you can always sell support, or manuals or what not, but you can't sell the binaries, which can hurt your business.
The GPL sucks away the vitality of selling a commercial product. It does have its place in the world.
So, I needed to build a firewall. I did a netinstall of openbsd, enabled forwarding between interfaces. Enabled ipf, and poof I was done. That bare bones install was pretty damn nice.
Anyway, a good portion of things auto installed in OSes tend to be out of date. I would rather install the most current version, then mess with the old version, or the weird custom version (apache on mandrake).
I like bare bones installs.
Oh, and the last Sendmail root exploit was linux only.
If you want a server operating system, try openbsd. Its about as undesktop as you can get. When you finish installing it, it dumps you at a prompt. It has no illusions about being a desktop. It does not even run XF86Setup for you.
I graduated from college with a degree in History, and now work as a sysadmin. I think college is a good place to learn how to interact with people and also how to learn to think independently. I think both of these skills are something that alot of the technical world lacks.
I have a vx, and I am a bit annoyed by the problem. After finding out what the problem was though, and the fix I feel better. The unit is rechargeble, so Im not pooring more money in to batteries. It charges fully in no time, so I don't really mind if it spends and extra five minutes in the cratel each night. I still love my palm, even if it has a few mental problems. My two cents
Use a stylus in stead of a keyboard. Its a web device, so you wont be typing reports on it or anything. A stylus, and graffti or handwriting recognition and it would have be great. No moving parts.
As the proud owner of a Palm Vx, I think it would be cool if they had something that worked as well as Graffiti. I would love to be able to sit anywhere and scribble on a wireless webpad. They just need ssh and they would be perfect.
Just because they have working fusion power plants does not mean we have cheap unlimited power. Just because you can build a prototype does not mean its ready for mass consumption.
Did you even watch the demo of the Ping Pong ball mouse trap thing, or are you just knocking it out of ignorance? I found all those moving polygones and calculations far more impressive then anything that I have seen so far on the PS2.
I would hardley call the vast majority of Linux users discerning. Most of the ones that I have talked to just don't know any better. They think that since it's not MS, it must be good. They don't realize that there are other OSes that are better in many ways then linux. I think these same sheep are using the same similar logic on movies. Its a big budget movie, it must be bad. Well, actualy MI:2 was quite entertaining, and about 3 billion times better then the first one. Just because something is mass produced, and mass marketed, does not mean its bad. Look at Dr. Pepper, or Snikers bars.
I think people under estimate the value of an appliance. Sure, I could make something that would lightly singe bread in the morning, but why not just get a toaster that will do it more reliably. Why bother with an entire system, when a toaster will do. The office that I work in at the U of O has an old 386 running FreeBSD 2.2.7-release or somthing as a print server. It works fabulously, and reliably. Its was also free. Only problem is, what if it breaks. All the *nix people are graduating, and leaving this time bomb for some poor shmo in a few years. I had to swap out the power supply when it went bad a month ago. What happens when its 60 meg hard drive crashes. Sometimes a small device with fewer points of faliure is a Good thing.
I think you are right about the lack of people hearing about BSD. I was fortunate enough to have freinds who were heavily involved in FreeBSD. After spending most of my time with FreeBSD, at times I can barely stand to use linux. Linux is great because it brings people in to the unix world, but at times it just feels like a cheap knock off. I don't program my self, so I can't say anything about their respective licenses. All I can comment about is the feel from an administration point. I just like the feel of BSD better. If you just run linux, give bsd a try, you may find that you like it. To me, it just feels more solid.
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They should really make you use blocks. If you can't convert blocks to megs, then you shouldn't be using OpenBSD.
I don't know about you, but I compile lots of stuff. Sure it may have been writen on x86, but it compiles on ppc, sparc, mips...
If Im teaching some one how to use a *nix, im not going to show them how to use linuxconf, or /stand/sysinstall to do things. Im going to assume they need to do real work, and may some time have to use the machine with out /usr mounted. If they just want to word proccess, or surf the web, I'd say use OSX.
Why would my mom run FreeBSD, or Linux? Because they are free is not a good answer. An hour of my time is worth the price of any consumer OS, not to mention the agrivation of trying to explain to my dad how to fsck the disk manualy, because the dog kicked the power cable out.
I would be very careful ever using the word all on slashdot. I used a sun as a desktop for a long time. The Real Player for that was antiquated and did not play modern movies. I also used BeOS for a while, no Real Player for that.
Just because it runs on linux, does not make it run on "all of the platforms that end-users use"
Its opptimized for the x86. Sure OSX ships with it, but apple did do heavy optimization for it. Those chages may not have been rolled back in to the tree yet, so I would not trust these bench marks. Your running an os that is optimized for intel, and a compiler that is optimized for intel, and comparing them to a ported copy.
Most people know that gcc is slower on suns then the sun compiler. That is all about optimization. So why wouldn't it be the same for ppc?
Try doing this benchmark on darwin, and im sure the macs will do better against the intel boxes running darwin, then running linux. Im not saying that it will be faster, im just saying your comparing apples and oranges.
Emacs?!?! You should just use vi in a terminal.
Just kidding.
I forgot how picky I need to be with my words on slashdot. The last public sendmail exploit that I know of was linux only. I am not a zealot for any OS. I mostly work with Solaris, and Free, with some Open, but I never said they were the best for any job. I was responding to the whole barebones default install for Open, and how I thought that was a good thing. That is all I am saying. I am not saying that all linux sucks, and is bloated. I will say that some linux distributions install way to much by default, but that is a diffrent matter. And yes, I am a professional. So to sum up, default of OpenBSD is good, if you want more stuff, thats what the ports tree is for.
You can, but not for a signifacant amount of money. People will just download the source and make it them selves. Think about a product like Veritas Volume Manager. If it was gpled, Veritas would not make nearly as much money. People are not going to pay 4 grand for the media, and manuals.
So on this same logic, should they discontinue drug testing in the Olympics? Let athletes make the decision not to take steroids because it is wrong? This software harms the gameplay for other players.
But it does suck away vitality. As soon as you use GPLed source in in your product, you suck away any chance of makeing money off selling the product. Sure you can always sell support, or manuals or what not, but you can't sell the binaries, which can hurt your business.
The GPL sucks away the vitality of selling a commercial product. It does have its place in the world.
So, I needed to build a firewall. I did a netinstall of openbsd, enabled forwarding between interfaces. Enabled ipf, and poof I was done. That bare bones install was pretty damn nice.
Anyway, a good portion of things auto installed in OSes tend to be out of date. I would rather install the most current version, then mess with the old version, or the weird custom version (apache on mandrake).
I like bare bones installs.
Oh, and the last Sendmail root exploit was linux only.
If you want a server operating system, try openbsd. Its about as undesktop as you can get. When you finish installing it, it dumps you at a prompt. It has no illusions about being a desktop. It does not even run XF86Setup for you.
Appart from some packet loss, our broadband from sprint rocks. That an some 802.11, and its alot fewer cables around the house.
It may well be an sgi, but there is no reason that it would not be Windowmaker. Just because you run IRIX, doesn't mean you have to run 4dwm.
I graduated from college with a degree in History, and now work as a sysadmin. I think college is a good place to learn how to interact with people and also how to learn to think independently. I think both of these skills are something that alot of the technical world lacks.
I have a vx, and I am a bit annoyed by the problem. After finding out what the problem was though, and the fix I feel better. The unit is rechargeble, so Im not pooring more money in to batteries. It charges fully in no time, so I don't really mind if it spends and extra five minutes in the cratel each night. I still love my palm, even if it has a few mental problems. My two cents
Use a stylus in stead of a keyboard. Its a web device, so you wont be typing reports on it or anything. A stylus, and graffti or handwriting recognition and it would have be great. No moving parts.
As the proud owner of a Palm Vx, I think it would be cool if they had something that worked as well as Graffiti. I would love to be able to sit anywhere and scribble on a wireless webpad. They just need ssh and they would be perfect.
Just because they have working fusion power plants does not mean we have cheap unlimited power. Just because you can build a prototype does not mean its ready for mass consumption.
Did you even watch the demo of the Ping Pong ball mouse trap thing, or are you just knocking it out of ignorance? I found all those moving polygones and calculations far more impressive then anything that I have seen so far on the PS2.
I would hardley call the vast majority of Linux users discerning. Most of the ones that I have talked to just don't know any better. They think that since it's not MS, it must be good. They don't realize that there are other OSes that are better in many ways then linux. I think these same sheep are using the same similar logic on movies. Its a big budget movie, it must be bad. Well, actualy MI:2 was quite entertaining, and about 3 billion times better then the first one. Just because something is mass produced, and mass marketed, does not mean its bad. Look at Dr. Pepper, or Snikers bars.
I think people under estimate the value of an appliance. Sure, I could make something that would lightly singe bread in the morning, but why not just get a toaster that will do it more reliably. Why bother with an entire system, when a toaster will do. The office that I work in at the U of O has an old 386 running FreeBSD 2.2.7-release or somthing as a print server. It works fabulously, and reliably. Its was also free. Only problem is, what if it breaks. All the *nix people are graduating, and leaving this time bomb for some poor shmo in a few years. I had to swap out the power supply when it went bad a month ago. What happens when its 60 meg hard drive crashes. Sometimes a small device with fewer points of faliure is a Good thing.
I think you are right about the lack of people hearing about BSD. I was fortunate enough to have freinds who were heavily involved in FreeBSD. After spending most of my time with FreeBSD, at times I can barely stand to use linux. Linux is great because it brings people in to the unix world, but at times it just feels like a cheap knock off. I don't program my self, so I can't say anything about their respective licenses. All I can comment about is the feel from an administration point. I just like the feel of BSD better. If you just run linux, give bsd a try, you may find that you like it. To me, it just feels more solid.
True true.
Oooo... Slashdot gets closed down, linux flownders... all thouse people who used to think linux was l33t find real unixes, and the world runs faster with greater stability. Ok, perhaps with out support for Bobs graphics card pro, but its for the better. :)