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Linux Screenshots on Level 9
bradipo writes "I was watching Level 9 for the first time and I thought I saw a glimpse of a linux desktop, so I kept watching. Sure enough, they were using Linux as the computer that a couple of kids were using to view NASA documents, etc... I captured as many as I could with my nifty tv capture card. It looks to me like they were using Enlightenment or WindowMaker or possibly both together."
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The titlebars looked like Enlightenment. The icons on the right side look like gkrellm, a system monitoring app. I have no idea how they got the WindowMaker clip to display if that really is E managing the windows, though.
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With Slashdot's newer, larger user base, there are more and more people coming to the site that aren't Linux advocates, but people just plain interested in the things that drive "nerds" today (cross-platform compatibility, coding in general, tech toys for fun, etc.)
I have had this discussion with Rob before, and while I understand that it is "his" site, it has become much bigger than "his" views. He has every right to post sites that only have to do with Linux. He also has every right to alienate a small but vocal minority that feels Linux isn't the only "cool thing for Nerds" out there.
Me personally, for a good 3 months early on when I stopped being an AC, I deactivated Rob's stories from the Slashboxes (you can do this). I was tired of the Linux proganda garbage. Problem was, Taco does occasionally post a "good" story, one that doesn't have to do with mainstream Linux acceptance. I turned his stories back on, but I usually just peruse right by most of his front-page posts.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
just a guess but they are probably using Litestep as well.it would be the easiest way to get the screen shots in director.
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e.themes.org picked up this story, also. According to them, both Enlightenment running the BlueSteel theme and Window Maker are visible in the scene and their conclusion is that it is a composite.
The icons mean nothing. That's Enlightenment. If you look at the window borders, thats classic E, and the icons along the left are spaced too widely to be either WindowMaker or afterstep, and are more consistent with the location and spacing of the dock used in E :)
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I work on the show, and it is FreeBSD.
If we get the slashdot effect, we will happilly switch to linux !!
Yeah, but did you notice the "by accessing this site you are agreeing to the terms of use" which shows up at the bottom of upn.com's front page?
Not half as annoying as the fact that it autoloads the main page. So is that message more like "By having flash and JavaScript on your browser, you are agreeing to the terms of use"?
Don't mind me. I'm just a little crabby today...
I'd guess that getting zip drives to work with Solaris is certainly feasible, since the campus computer labs at MIT have zip drives on some of the Ultra 5s...
Look at the buttons in the lower right corner of the LCD's case. It's pretty clear to me that this is an IBM LCD.
Seeing how computer people on tv are almost always dumb they would then not know the sheer benifits of :
FreeBSD (tm).
Therefore they must be feeble minded Linux users conforming to the GNU niche.
They wanted to show computer nerds, so they needed something exotic. MS Windows wouldn't cut it. If this system is also a good eye candy then the choice is obvious.
It is also good for BSD and Linux - free advertising!
Actually...
yeah, I would rather have seen an Imac with wmaker.
And then I could listen to all of you confused people discuss that one. No doubt people would think someone striped out the mac and built an x86 machine with the shell. and all kinds of crazy things just to say it was linux.
But no.
I would be willing to bet that that is an sgi machine anyway.
Just a note, but that's for sure, not an E-450... an E-450 is a.) purple, grey and black and b.) quite a -bit- larger than a couple of breadboxen ... that case in Enemy of the State is what holds an Ultra-10, or a few of the other Ultra series workstations...
/ enterprise-450.htm
Not to mention that it clocks in at just over 200 lbs =o)
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just FYI
-- 'knowledge is power. power corrupts. study hard, be evil.'
and Felicity, where some guy uses some program called zztop.exe to reformat his hard drive
Actually you can find this program on most dells. Running it will restore the factory installed image of windows. I have done it a couple of times. (Tech Support)
They misunderestimated me. -- George W. Bush
Hmm, I wonder if they use *nix to avoid payments to M$?
Will the last company to abandon Linux please turn off the lights??!
Y'know, I remember this too. I seem to recall a bunch of folks in the States getting all excited because an Amiga ("Amy," as they were calling it) showed up a few times in Miami Vice. Except it had been painted black. At least it wasn't painted those fruity pastel/neon colors.
Come to think of it, fat lot of good that seemed to do for the Amiga platform...
Yeah, what I want to know is - was the show any good?
Did they do a decent enough job creating an illusion to drive the plotline, or did it get caught up in technicalities? Was it empty-headed and dumb, like the Net, or did it carry some amount of storytelling, suspense, and plausible sci/tech like X-Files?
- passion
Yeah, it's windowmaker, and the buzz has been floating around for half a year since promos started getting aired. Here's an mpeg of the show's lineup, and you can clearly see it's at least some variant of unix, probably linux.
-- Anne Marie
however, they have cool links to 2600 and al.
Well, if that's Gkrellm please slap me!
The vesion I'm running has solid colors for the histograms!
If someone has hacked it to have transparent or gradient like (gawd, what about transient persistency for modem activity... drool!) please blow a horn!
Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
cool sig!
Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
The point is they still used images from a Linux system© Whatever was being used to actually display it - it came from a Linux box in the first place©
Yeah, I had a sig once; I got bored of it.
Those captures wasn't enlightenment...
They've worked around the win98 source...
- [grunby]
they are supposed to be super elite computer guys. They MUST be using BSD. Probably Openbsd. Thats what i would guess.
Chaos, Mayhem, and Destruction: Not
Watch Kurt Vonnegut's "Welcome to the Monkey House" failed series. In the version of Fortitude, a NeXT Cube is describe as a "supercomputer". And check out Mission Impossible (1st movie): The OS being used is a OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP/MacOS hybrid. Graphic designers take inspiration from what they use. Graphic designers design tekn0-leet interfaces for hacker type shows. You can tell some dude took a WindowMaker snapshot and made it look k3wl. See the GNUStep logo?
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This is no big deal. We do it in the movie production business all the time. It's a hell of a lot easier to have either a scripted sequence playing or a full screen video image playing than it is to have an actor learn how to use a computer with such authority that it looks authentic. Even then, for some of the things you want to show, modern computers just aren't fast enough.
This is especially true if you're doing a tracking shot and want something to happen just as the computer screen is coming into view. Most movies and tv shows were you see computer action, there's some guy sitting down beneath the sound stage firing off the video animations when the director cues him.
Usually, though, when you see a computer, you can't tell which OS it's using, because it's easier to have the machine run FakeOS than to get a real company's PR department to OK their product being shown used to kill a bunch of people or break into a bank vault. Since Linux (or other Free Unixes) have generous licenses, this isn't an issue, I'd think.
by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
I think it's rather arrogant to assume that these screenshots depict Linux. They could be produced on just about any Unix or even OS/2. But people here see WindowMaker and assume it is Linux. That annoys me.
Brian Smith
From the screenshots, here's what I gather:
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They are using 'gkrellm', a nice system-monitoring panel/applet-type thing. I always have at least one running, usually two. I havn't seen that particular theme for it, but it looks *real* nice.
Along the left side were tiles that looked like a Window Maker dock. I imagine they were putting minimized/hidden apps on the same side, because generally a Window Maker dock doesn't double in size in a short period of time.
I sure *looked* like Enlightenment, but I don't think Window Maker and Enlightenment can co-exist in the same session. So, I don't think that the Window Maker dock-like thing was a real Window Maker dock. I have NEVER seen a Window Maker theme that had titlebars on the sides of windws, nor have I seen a Window Maker theme which has more than two title-bar buttons. The left-hand-side dock-like things might have been some form of Enlightenment's IconBox.
Conclusion:
Wicked!
Dave
'Round the firewall,
Out the modem,
Through the router,
Down the wire,
Barclay family motto:
Aut agere aut mori.
(Either action or death.)
If you feel that way, then leave. Just because more people that have different views start to go to the site and look at the pages does not mean that Rob, or anyone for that matter, has to modify their likes and dislikes or beliefs and dis-beliefs (hmm, what's the opposite of beliefs, whatever).
That was the whole premis of the "sale" of Slashdot.org to Andover.net, and now VA*Linux. Rob would never have sold it if he didn't keep complete editorial and content control over the site, or so he says. Now you are expecting him to change the types of stories that are posted just because more people that don't happen to understand the whole "thing" behind Linux are coming to the site? Unbelievable. If he came out when the deal was done and said "Well, everything is pretty much going to stay the same now, but when our userbase starts including more non-Linux finatics we are going to start changing the types of stories we post and such. I hope you understand and will continue to come to Slashdot.org in the future, but that's the financial reality of the situation." He would have been slaughtered!
Again, unbelievable. I was going to post this anonymously, because I know it's way off-topic, but this is truely how I feel. If I get mod'd down to nothingness then so be it, but this is just rediculous. I just wish that those people who don't like these stories either learn to live with the wide range of content management choices available in your preferences or find some other place to go and stop making offensive comments and/or demands that we should change just because there are more of you. And, as it might be construed from the complainer's post, if you were one of us and you have this attitude then I'd have to think hard to determine whether you really were one of us or were just following the trendy thing while it was new and never really supported the position. If so, go away!
Now if they can only divert that saved money over to Moesha...
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
When I saw that, I thought, "Enlightenment? How much RAM does he have in there? Somebody ought to switch him over to Sawmill."
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well put
It's new Windows that got stolen and hacked! :-)
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Actually, I think that most movie and television shows use macs because for one their odd refresh rates dont mess with cameras as much as a PC.
Also, most of the writers use macs, as well as most people who are somewhat creative (artists, directors, musicians) they rather deal with something that they know, than deal with something that they dont, but alot of other people do.
Think of this. How many times have you seen them do something with those macs, that are just the opposite of what would actually come from a mac. Most people dont know how a mac operate, so they dont notice. but if they see a mistake on a windows machine, they automatically know that its a faked screen.
he was making a joke
Actually... while I like to keep track of appearances in the media of our lovely little favorite operating system and it's accompanying software suite, I have to say, that Linux appearing in the media is now not the big thing it used to be.
/. userids in excess of a hundred thousand talk about the "good old days"...
Linux has grown up. It's no longer the little rebel operating system that it was. I see instances of Linux on TV a lot of the time - sure, it's a good thing, but not the event that it was. I'm happy to click the link and see what I missed.
It really makes me feel old to see people with
I do think that the Slashcode could really use a re-vamp, compartmentalising many of "factions" into their own areas to save the rest of us from these silly shouting matches. "Browsing at 2" no longer seems to work...
*sigh*
Actully, AT&T uses OpenStep 4.2 in their cellphone distibution centers, not linux.
The central computer was a box with LED's on it. It looked like a Thinking Machine though.
And in the book, it was a Cray Multi-XMP (page 116 - I got lucky and opened to it!)
Ugh, that's not a penguin, that's the BSD Daemon!
It seems strange that Slashdotters have more to say about Linux showing up in some minor TV show than about truly new images from another world. Which is more important in the scheme of things?
Just my $0.02.
I wonder if they were working on Linux. is there a version of Director for it? I wouldn't know - I'm a servant of the Dark Side (Win2000 kicks ass).
If so, it explains why the desktop looks the way it does, and more importantly, signals the use of Linux in the film production space.
Some of you may not know this, but companies pay BIG money to have their products placed in films. Whether it is a cigarette, alcohol, or vehicle (which are some of the biggest advertisers).
Remember that film companies are businesses just like any other business. If they can make money through some form of advertising, they will. Next time you watch a movie notice how conspicuously some shots of products are. It is advertising pure and simple.
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." General James Mattis
why is this such a big deal? so we find someone on tv acting like they are using linux. do we really care?
Ever used a Dell? It comes with a utility called zztop.exe to reinstall your machine to its moronic factory defaults. So we know what box they used there.
I have no clue where the name comes from tho...
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And then I could listen to all of you confused people discuss that one. No doubt people would think someone striped out the mac and built an x86 machine with the shell. and all kinds of crazy things just to say it was linux.
Linux runs on a lot more than just x86. In fact, there are several PPC distros that work on the iMac.
I've got to admit that it is pretty weird to see an iMac with a (text) console login prompt though...
Just because it uses a window manager DOES NOT MEAN IT'S LINUX!
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Reminds me of the episode where Homer starts his internet business
COMIC GUY
I need a 1.5 megabit per second T1 line thats compatible with my token ring ethernet adapter.
When the episode aired, my girlfriend looked at me and said "is this stuff real, or is he talking out his ass?"
If she doesn't know, neither do the masses. But the producers made it (mostly) accurate anyways. Just one more reason I love the Simpsons
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This reminds me of the Amiga scene, we were watching for pics of the amiga on tv. only we were doing it when the amiga was on the way out to bolster or spirits....
That's definitely the look of the Brushed Steel theme for enlightenment -- the tilebars on the side, the look of the bars, and so on. I assume this is only possible in E - which would lead me to believe that, to make it look cooler, they might have taken a screenshot from WindowMaker and place it as the background. Granted, the applets change appearance, but so does the scheme of arrangement of the Icons on the left side(paperclip) area.
Yeah! Now Linux has props! Now we can stick it to The Man! 'Cause once its been on Tee Vee, it becomes real!
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
This place has really gone downhill recently.
Maybe you don't remember the old slashdot. Let me remind you. It looked something like this:
Contributed by CmdrTaco
on Wednesday October 21, [1997] @10:10
from the movin-on-up dept.
ascott@pacbell.net
sent me a link to This article.
It's another excellent example of the kind of
amazingly cool press that Linux is getting from
the media. We're approaching critical mass
people. I'm still waiting for that PC Magazine
cover story though.
Maybe you don't remember what slashdot used to be. Let me remind you. It looked something like this :
Contributed by CmdrTaco
on Wednesday January 07, [1998] @02:50AM
from the preaching-the-truth dept.
Another cameo appearance of Linux in a mainstream mag comes to us from
Amos Shapira. He sent in an article at inforworld about NT 5.0's hefty system requirements, and how Linux will
"beat the living daylights out of it" on a system with less than 64 megs of RAM. Flattery
like that is just the kinda publicity we like to hear.
Slashdot has always posted little stories glorifying Linux, because THAT'S WHAT ROB LIKES!!! In the old days, if it mentioned Linux, then the story RAN and we (ACs) liked it that way. With stories like these, Rob is being truer to his roots than a thousand napster/cuecat stories could ever be.
It's his damn site, and you're being ungrateful.
-- Anne Marie
...and Felicity, where some guy uses some program called zztop.exe to reformat his hard drive
Actually, zztop.exe really is the command to reinstall the original factory image on Compaqs.
"I might have made a tactical error in not going to a physician for 20 years." -- Warren Zevon
Not that I'm a huge Linux user or anything, but I think stuff like this is going to help attract more mainstream momentum to the Linux userbase. I don't necessarily know if that's a good thing, though; it's sort of like having your favorite band get "discovered" after about eight years playing shows around town in crappy bars and free outdoor concerts, and before you know it they are playing at the State Fair grandstand or some other baloney locale... ;-)
Anyway, those screen caps are sweet, I'm glad I'm not the only one who takes 'samples' of weird culturata.
Free music from Jack Merlot.
A desktop with a PCMCIA cardslot isn't that unusual. (Wish I had one for my digital camera. (the CompactFlash cards work very nicely in a PCMCIA adapter, once used the 8meg card I have to transfer an 8meg file between 2 laptops on the road.).
This seems to be the place for flamebait; what the hell. Here's my pint of petrol. Here's how it CAN matter: It chips into the Mac's hegemony on sci-fi and movies in general, at least on screen. This went back to Star Trek IV, the one with the whales, and Scotty trying to use the computer by talking un the one-button mouse. Granted, yes, the futuristic and superfuturistic shows a la "Earth: Final Conflict", "Andromeda", the entirety of the "Star Trek" series, and "Babylon 5" don't show anything resembling a contemporary rig, but in shows based in the modern or near-future period use Macs like they're THE BIG THING. Now, how it's NOT a big deal: No Tux.. yet :)
GQP doesn't realize it looked the Penguin straight in the eyes and it looked funkadelic.
I used to be someone else. Now I'm someone better.
Real life is underrated.
The BBC have been using KDE + Netscape for when they demo webpages on TV for sometime now, I've seen it used on Tomorrows World quite a bit. Linux is used around the corperation quite a lot apparently.
When everything is a challenge, when you have to grit your teeth just to bear the ugliness, when every installation involves chmods and gzip on the command line. Yesiree, when you do something in Linux you really feel that you've achieved something!
Yeah, it's like those poor Windows users who have to move DLL's around by hand, and fill in all of the registry entries manually, or those Mac users that need to edit the resource fork of their applications with a hex editor to change the preferences...
Oh wait, you say Windows and Mac users don't need to do those things? Well, guess what Bubba, Linux users don't need to use chmod and gzip to install things either. Most distros use a package management system. RPM, for example, is very common. There several GUI-based package management tools that make the installation of RPM's very simple. Linux isn't nearly as difficult as you make it out to be. Stop basing your opinions on the Slackware 1.x you installed on your 386 6 years ago.
Incidently, I don't believe that Linux is for everyone, and I never said that either. In fact, I didn't even mention Linux in my original post..
There are advantages to open source. There are also advantages to being the most popular operating system (yes, I'm talking about MS Windows here, and the Mac in the DTP community). When deciding what to use, you have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of each option. Sometimes the advantages of open source outweigh the advantages of the alternatives. Anyone who says "you should always use open source" or "you should never use open source" is obviously an extremist, and is letting their ideology interfere with their decision making process.
As for your examples... OS X is based on the NeXT legacy, a commercial effort only lately turned into Open Source.
NeXT is based on BSD, so the point is moot. OS X is based on open source no matter which way you slice it.
"a couple of kids were using to view NASA documents"
So we WANT *nix to be portrayed as a OS that is used by crackers? (l33t hackers to all you NT people.) Why not just show them on hotmail.com with a VBS book in the background sending mail to microsoft...oh wait...nevermind.
Chaos, Mayhem, and Destruction: Not
http://www.windowmaker.org
Its windowmaker. There is no doubt about that.
Ive used windowmaker forever up untill 3 weeks
ago, and now im experimenting with KDE2.
Ignore the Anonymous Pissant trolls !!!
Actully, AT&T uses OpenStep 4.2 in their cellphone distibution centers, not linux
Ahh! I knew I wasn't hallucinating when I saw that strange icon the time I toured an AT&T call center's server room..
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I would belive that it is linux or freeBSD and not some other *nix simply due to the cost factor. Think about the licencing fees they'll save for the set.
And just think of the geeks that they'll get to watch it just to see what it is like to see Linux on TV.
I watched it simply becouse it was a new show that was on and wanted to see how they would describe the "hacker" scene. My GF wanted to watch it becouse it "looks cool". After watching it, I think it has potential, but have already explained to my GF what was going to happen in the ep's to come. And, as soon as I saw the medalion I knew what was coming with that plot line.
Watch Discovery some time. When they show the weather and research centers, they're often using UNIX. I've seen Window Maker, but TWM seems to be the norm.
hehe
When ideology is not a factor in your choice of software, Open Source is the last thing you want.
That isn't true. I'm certainly no open source zealot (check my previous posts), but I still think open source is great for technical and economic reasons. Ideology need not come into play. Hell, Apple is basing OS X on BSD. I guess you'd better stick with Windows. Oh wait, didn't they use zlib in Internet Explorer?
Do they put the copyright on when the movie is completed or started?
If it takes a year to make a movie, an assumption, I do know some movies take a long time, from design to shipping film reels, they probably had everything planned out in 1996 or earlier.
Oh well. Someone thought the Window Manager used was based on HP, that's not something I'd know.
Actually, I'm pretty sure all the desktops in "Contact" were done using HP's incarnation of the motif window manager.
Free Hans!
I have lurked for many years on here. But I just had to log in for this one. I feel qualified to post about this because I spent the past 4 years doing those on screen simulations for film and TV. I'll be brief: Macs get used a lot because Apple loans more stuff than any other manufacturer. Also, they offer very generous discounts to the film crew on the production loaners following wrap. Apple also doesn't mind if you show the MacOS in your film or tv show. Microsoft on the other hand will sue you quicker than you can say "anti-trust." In all likelihood, we are looking at a windows or mac box running an full-screen animation done in Macromedia director or After Effects where the GUI was "inspired" by KDE/Gnome/Enlightenment/etc. I am almost sure that this was the case because there are special video cards needed to get video to sync to 24 fps (film speed). The cards are rare and for rent only and the 24frame drivers aren't likely to exist as there would be no real advantage to using linux to play back a director animation or quicktime. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents.
The point is that someone in Hollywood thinks that the uber-hackers of the world use Linux or something similar and chose to express that.
Just what exactly does Linux "look like" anyway? Short of an interactive session from the kernel's make config session, I'm hard pressed to know how you differentiate Linux from any other CLI OS or skinnable GUI. From those awful screen shots, I'd say it could have been just about any OS where the UI can be reskinned.
My guess is the people further up in this thread have it right; a graphic artist with a fair amount of creativity has made a UI that looks a lot like some of the things you might associate with a "high tech" environment.
That the graphic designer has probably worked on some of the same scifi movies and TV shows that the people who make skins and GUI elements for Linux/X desktops watch and emulate isn't surprising, in fact that feedback loop explains this entire phenomonon.
-Isaac
I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. For Entertainment Purposes Only.
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I periodically take breaks from hacking the kernel to watch the boob tube, and let me tell you buddy, I CARE. Not everyone here is as world weary and cynical as you are.
To go from United Paramount Network to a site with Support EFF's DVD Legal Fund prominently on the first page was not what I would have expected.
The window borders are from BlueSteel, the Enlightenment theme.
Apple's, Sun's... and I remember a shot of OS/2 Warp in GoldenEye right as the control center in Cuba was blowing up.
Brian Macy
Yeah I especially love the pretty one in Officespace where Peter is waiting forever for his pretty interface mac to shut down so that he can sneak out, and when it's done, it dumps to a c:> prompt..... oh wait, it doesn't matter on the big screen =)
for those not familiar with windowmaker or enlightenment (and therefore usually linux) it would probably look like a movie-OS. eterm does let you have transparent terms, like "enemy of the state" iirc.
(goes to imdb to find out what this "level 9" is anyhoo)
It's also running 'Slackware' :P
Chances are pretty good that someone created that desktop in Macromedia Director. Computer screens are done this way all the time for film and television.
You're probably right, but it's also largely irrelevant. It doesn't matter so much what was really driving the display as much as what the director wanted to portray.
The point is that someone in Hollywood thinks that the uber-hackers of the world use Linux or something similar and chose to express that. That's more important than the methods by which the images were created.
why should anybody care if anybody else cares? if i make some stupid circuit in a missle that blows up a bunch of serbs, is anybody gonna care? no. but do i care? yes.
Contact: 1997 (via imdb.com)h tml)
Enlightenment (old) FAQ: copyright 1997 (via http://www.enlightenment.org/documentation/faq-1.
Boy...I have been trying to get the WindowMaker people to have customizable window borders for 15 years...And those holoywood folks went and did it for me....Wheres the source Luke??? ROFL!
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
Hmmm, sober now, and regretting the nitpick (I think ;)
:)
For the record, it was Bacardi 151. And I think you need some Amaretto in that Dr. Pepper mix you suggested... But anyway, I think this is probably as far as an OT thread is supposed to go
I have to disagree. If you are a production company wanting to mock up a futuristic UI for your hero, you are going to get something to show much faster on Unix than either windoze or the mac for the simple reason that there is so much code availble to tweak and modify. With open source, you don't need to re-invent the wheel, just take some one elses wheel and start whacking it with your hammer :)
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
The background images you can see in the shots look like they came from on of the propaganda collections...
go check out the Level9 site at upn. (unfortunately you'll need flash) but just take a look at some of their links... /.
attrition
2600
to name a few...
as far as news sites they list ZDnet but no
It looks as if somebody almost did their homework.
-------------------------------------------- It looks just like a Telefunken U-47! -Frank Zappa
To those applauding the usage of Linux in a show- let's put things in perspective here. It's true that most computers appearing in film and television are Macs or Win PCs. And it Is mildly cool to see an alternative OS in a shot instead. But come on, no "mainstream" audience member gives a damn what operating system is running on a screen that's shown for a split second. People who pay attention to those things and care enough to think about them for more than a tenth of a second are the type that likely already know about Linux.
On a related note, it's unreasonable to expect realistic glimpses of computer screens in any movie or show- not because of big business influence, but practicality instead. Take a movie like The Net. *shudder* Think they're about to cut away to a screenfulls of nMap output and expect the audience to know what just happened? They're showing the screen for a few seconds tops, and it's a plot device. A flashing red "Security Code Broken - Access granted" on a familiar OS backdrop is all you're going to get because that's all that's understandable given the experience level of the audience and the short time frame.
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Can't be linux.. Gotta be BSD, perhaps solaris. God forbid maybe Irix?
Hmm.. what else runs X. Could be OS/2, might even be Windows box!
Look at that.. A computer with a cdrom drive. I bet it's running linux cause linux uses CD's!
Rod Taylor
In short, linux just made a prime-time appearance. Its mad cool. It SCREAMS, yeah, it rocks, yeah, it matters, and YEAH, intelligent uber-hacker type people use it.
Was the word Linux used in the script? If not, then as far as Joe UPN Watcher is concerned, it's just another computer with a quasi-futuristic interface. Hell, for all Joe UPN Watcher knows, it could be Windows 2069.
"This is UNIX!"
...and then the usher kicked me out of the theatre.
"No it's not."
"I know UNIX!"
"No, you don't."
-- Chris Dunham
http://www.chamdex.com
Don't forget Jurassic Park with it's "UNIX" system with magical Virtual Reality files.
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
I would be willing to bet that that is an sgi machine anyway.
Have you ever used an SGI? The window manager they ship with looks nothing at all like that. Of course that doesn't mean that the owner couldn't install something cooler, but then why not just have a linux box to start with? I've never seen an SGI use anything but the standard Irix window manager.
Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
Too bad it is shown as part of a hacker/cracker community. It is not being shown as a mainstream desktop OS. That kinda shows it as an underground shady hacker OS. I would like to see it shown as a super useful OS without hinting it is only for hackers and crackers.
The truth shall set you free!
I want to know what window manager Lain's box was running in Serial Experiments: Lain! It was obvious from a couple of things that either she was running X, or something highly influenced by it... but damn, I need a copy of that window manager. And I also need to finally get around to installing IBM's ViaVoice, so next time I'm interrogating somebody in my bedroom I can just say "Play track 44" and the kickass interrogation music will bust out real loud to intimidate them.
In post-9/11 America, the CIA interrogates YOU!
is to use Linux on the Mac, of course. You get cool-looking hardware instead of the drab grey box kind of ugly high-tech dust-catcher, and you get a spiffy user interface, at least if you use something that looks cool.
Of course, then there's Aqua. May not break beauty records in everyone's taste, but the usual movie author, then.... it's something different.
As a state gets corrupt, its laws multiply; the most corrupt states have the most numerous laws. (Tacitus, Annales 3:27)
I have one question: how on earth can you see they're using Linux?! Why cannot this be *BSD, Solaris or whatever?
0x or or snor perron?!
- a low-budget-fx rip-off Matrix-like show
- a tech-talkin'-over-your-head-mental-puzzles show -- kind of ER-lingo-like, 'cept for techies.
Oh well... I guess option a) would be too expensive for UPN, and b) would draw only theGrok on.
"C'mon, donkey-boy!!"
Crystalize your tears, dried upon The Cross
Blood drips on your pain, time to ride The Light
Maybe the problem isn't that Linux users are being arrogant, but that non-Linux users are being jealous. I think this might account for a lot of the smugness which eminates from the *BSD camp. They have a perfectly good OS, and one that is, in many ways, superior to Linux. Yet Linux gets all the press and all the hype.
Psychologically, it makes sense.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
First of all, it's just a TV show. There is life outside of TV! Secondly, could this also be bad publicity? What happens when some company sues Linus for creating Linux, and then uses this show to prove that Linux is a so-called "hacker" OS?
"Gravity is a myth, the earth sucks."
Just by looking at these images you can tell it isn't a real desktop. I'm going along with another poster who said they were probably made in Macromedia Director just by taking image fragments. Here is why I think these aren't pictures of a real desktop:
- Every window uses the "Side Titlebar" style, which in enlightenment is only used for some windows where the width is too short and the height is longer.
- Every window also has a right side scrollbar which isn't needed.... why would video windows have these?
- The second from the top graphic meter displays the same in EVERY shot, there is no variance.
- The "Access Denied" window is not a dialog window, and also, even tho it is short and displays the entirety of its content, has the right scrollbar.
Just by looking at it for 30 seconds you can see that it isn't real, the directors or someone just thought it "looked cool" apparently, and took images from it.
-- iCEBaLM
I don't usually nitpick, but I'm drunk on 151 proof rum. I guess this is the inner me :)
Jurrasic Park had SGI workstations. I think there might even be a line mentioning them in the movie. But anyway...
Maybe somebody there has freakin' clue! I might actually have to watch this show. Go to their site site , then their "988.2" alt database section. Then for instance go to the "988.28" white hat/black hat section. (It's all sort of a weird flash site, you'll have to wade through it).
;-)
Check out these links there:
The Hacker Quarterly (i.e., 2600)
Electronic Frontier Foundation
Freedom Downtime (free Kevin page)
Attrition.org
There are even others. All and all actually interesting links. This leads me to a question:
 
WHICH ONE OF YOU BASTARDS HAS STARTED INFORMING ON US TO HOLLYWOOD!! YOU HAVE SOME ANSWERING TO DO!!
Seriously, if they actually are seeking the advice of computer geeks instead of graphic designers, this show might be sort of cool, in a crappy hollywood sort of way. Anybody seen it?
If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide. -Ghandi
Mike Myers played this up big time in the movie "Wayne's World"..
You could tell that he was forced to do the "product placements", and had a good laugh at the expense of the movie industry.
what would be nice is for an actual movie to portray a "hacker" using vi in a simple text interface... instead of all this silly GUI stuff i see. enough's enough! it's time to show how boring programmers' lives really are!!!! (but really, a GUI just makes me less and less productive, pointing and clicking at things... to be fully optimized i MUST be using the keyboard only... anyone else feel the same way? or am i on crack? i could be, perhaps)
I work at the outfit in Vancouver which provides the graphics equipment that Level 9 (Sim Video). The graphics you see on screen are all created in-house at Paramount and loaded onto 800 mhz Pentium III's running Windows 98. They are actually Macromedia 8 Director files. An operator activates them by keystroke in time with the talent and they are played back over 24 framed monitors (to sync with the film used to shoot the show). The Paramount graphics guys just pull up techie looking stuff wherever they can find it (in one case I saw an Applesoft Basic program listing :)... Hope this helps out.
"Once more has been learned of their behavior, SPUW hopes to domesticate the Linux user, despite the fact that one has never been captured alive, and despite Linux users' extreme discomfort in proximity to domestic regularities such as windows and gates.
"Some members of SPUW's board of defecators have expressed concern that even if the Linux user could be tamed, there would be little desire for him in mainstream society. 'The Linux user is really just a UNIX user, minus a few millenia of evolution,' notes Dr. Samuel S. Spankenbottom. 'The truth is that our only interest in the Linux user is a queer sense of nostaligia for obselete organisms. Perhaps we should leave the Linux user to the mercy of Nature, where it will surely become extinct when confronted with more evolved, modern animals. Our only hope of getting the world to accept the Linux user is by cross-breeding him with his weaker, but more owner-friendly, cousins in Redmond. Observe our success with such crossbreeds as the Redhatted Linux user and the Caldera Dumb-Fuck.'
"Rob Malda's stupid haircut contributed to this story."
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All generalizations are false.
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I like to watch.
I found an int erview with Michael Connelly which is one of the creators, writers, and consulting producers of Level9. In the interview, he explains why he decided to write a TV show, because he is known as a novel writer. There are also some cool links on the bottom of the page, which include a mailing list, so you can get the lastest news about Level9
Founder of Securityflaw Creator of
Those who don't know what "Level 9" TV show is about: Check out its home page on UPN -- http://www.upn.com/shows/levelnine/airdis.html
It requires Flash I think.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
In this picture, you can clearly see a penguin reflecting off the actor's left nostril. In fact, that's the only reason why that picture was included, since after all, it isn't a picture of the DAMN SCREEN and must serve some purpose.
-- Anne Marie
it's called fsn and was an experimental file manager developed by a team at sgi.
"onward!" cried the copper man, little knowing brass corrupts...
Contact? Jodie Foster and a bunch of hack(er)s?
They had Unix, they just didn't say so. It definitely wasn't Windows, Be or Mac. It looked like a modified FVWM setup or something. IIRC, there weren't any fancy Enlightenments at the time.
Yeah just think about it before you mod it down ok?
;)
:) hehe
For Gods sake WOW Linux was on TV!!!!!! I thought this was a news site. Jaysus, get over it!
It doesn't matter because people are going to use the OS that suits their needs. Be it Linux, Windows, MacOS or God Help Us Os/2 Warp
It doesn't matter because Linux isn't the be-all and end-all of Operating Systems. Yeah I use it and I like it, it suits my needs but FFS, it's only an OS! There's no need to get excited because it's on TV. If you see people use Macs in Movies and you think it's to make it look like EVERYONE uses Macs let me tell you it's not. It's because Macs have pretty interfaces. They LOOK nice. That's all that matters on the big screen.
And before you start screaming about Linux yeah I know you can make it look just as purty, but it takes just a lil bit more effort than a Mac. Hey at least they don't use Windows
If you want movies to be realistic then you need to get a grip. Most movies are FICTION. Who cares if some gets a big 'ACCESS DENIED' image when they turn on their computer. It makes for better films.
This place has really gone downhill recently. Come on guys, ye're getting paid for it now FFS!
To err is human,
To really screw up, you need a computer!
To err is human,
To really screw up, you need a computer!
From the look of it they seem to be using the following:
:)
1. Enlightenment as a window manager.
2. gkrellm for the stuff along the right side.
3. The Clip-application from Window Maker for the menues on the left side.
4. And a background from one of the Propaganda collection.
So, if they are using XFree on Linux to run this, then it's all free software and put together in a quite inspiring way.
It's Just TV. They show Linux now, but they've showed others like iMacs all of last year on tv. I guess the reason for enlightenment is to make it look all techy like the actors really know what they're doing. I've seen a lot of screwy things on PC's that I seen on TV, like in the movie, "Office Space" where the OS was some kind of mac 7.5/win 3.1 hybrid, and Felicity, where some guy uses some program called zztop.exe to reformat his hard drive
Almost as cool as seeing the occasional OS/2 screenshot a few years ago. The computers in the lawyer's office in Primal Fear definitely looked like they were running OS/2.
"I say consider this day seized!" -Hobbes
"Tomorrow we'll seize the day and throttle it!" -Calvin
The workstations didn't have to be. The central unit can be anything, it doesn't need a GUI, just serve up CPU power, files, what have you. An SGI would probably have been best suited to doing purty 3D graphics at the time.
... at some future L9 sci-fi convention:
"Um, yeah. I have a question for the stars...
In episode one, you were clearly seen to be
using WindowMaker, but in episodes 3, 5 and 7
the computers were configured with Enlightenment.
Can you explain the differences and reasons
for the switch???"
To paraphrase William Shatner on SNL-
"GET A LIFE! It's just a TV show!"
SIGLOST && SIGUNUSED && SIGQUIT
You know, the angel one. Denzel Washington, the computer newbie angel, runs into a computer opens up his heavenly handbook and turns it to a page where the Windows logo is "beatified" :)...
This movie proves that not all of Hollywood has bitten the apple. Sorry, bad biblical reference, couldn't stop myself.....
While this story is hardly "News for Nerds" and it certainly isn't "Stuff that Matters", it's kinda amusing to know Linux has made it that far into the mainstream. What next? The Pres on "West Wing" using KDE? ER running their medical systems on Debian?
What's the betting that the reason they used Linux is so they didn't have to licence a copy of Windows for it... Just a thought... Wouldn't cut much off the overall budget, but a couple of hundred dollars would pay a fair few extras I would think.
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They have computers on that show? I just thought it was a hot blonde.... ;)
Nah. if they used director they wouldn't bother with copying windowmaker and enlightenment. they can just create something real quick.
chances are, the system monitoring app gives a nice effect of a "live" computer which is why it's used. which is why it ain't director. because it's simply too much trouble.
maybe with the exceptiong of "access denied"
Are you sure it's a Zip drive? IIRC, he put the disk into a Game Boy or something to hide it. I don't think you can fit a zip disk into a Game Boy...
and thought *vomit* *barf* yet ANOTHER kewl l33t ha>
I saw the promo, and the Man finds the l33t ha>
Let me guess, the holographic 3D database loads onto a floppy disk.
Now, OK, so they use Linux or some facsimile thereof in the show. It still doesn't change the fact that hacking (white hat) is pretty boring looking, and hacking (black hat) is also pretty boring looking. A half an hour of someone combing through source code and hex to see what's going on inside the computer doesn't make for gripping TV, which is why even if they run the script past we slashdotters for technical accuracy, they'll still have to play great liberties with what hacking is. Which is why shows about hacking will ALWAYS suck. When I did some typical youthful indiscretions hem hem way back when I didn't end up being shot at by secret agents. Nor did I get the buxom Lara Croft babe.
UNLESS!!!!!
They do some serious documentary style courtroom drama about how they completely buried Capt. Crunch, Minor Threat, etc etc etc, ran roughshod over their rights, changed the rules completely with respect to these people, we all know the story.
--- Jump!! Fire!! Bullet time!! - Lego version of the Matrix
That means it's FAMOUS! Wow!
Trees can't go dancing
So do them a big favor
Pretend dancing stinks!
It's true! He was starring as a sailor in a Portuguese sitcom. Alas I had no tv capture card to document the event.
They had both. The consultant's machine was an Apple, but the other consoles in the room were SGIs. The machine in the background was supposed to be a Connection Machine. I was at a SGI conference at the time that Jurassic Park came out. Some of the ILM people who worked on the film were there and talked about what they did for the on-the-set computers. For each console that an actor was sitting in front of, there was a duplicate one behind the scenes being controlled by a geek. They didn't want the actors to have to really type or do any mouse navigation...just pretend to do it.
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
If Taco was worth his weight in AOL CD's he would have realized that the real news here is that SOMEONE WAS WATCHING UPN!
-A
So close and yet so far from the world's perfect ID number
If I wrote fiction, I'd never pass up the chance to include crackpot science. It would be as fun as lying to babies!
(Excuse me, I have to go mumble dog-face to the banana patch)
The main topic of /. used to be "someone mentioned Linux somewhere". While that time is long gone, it is still interesting to see it getting more mainstream. /. should not forget its roots.
If I remember correctly, it was a Connection Machine CM5 from Thinking Machines - one of the first massively parallel machines, with a (I thought) Apple Quadra running as the 'control terminal' bit - although the software it ran was SGI's fsn. It's hard to confuse a Crimson with a Quadra... (see for yourself)
My understanding of the SGI 'Jurassic Park' specials was that it was because SGI rendered the movie - the metaballs dinosaurs stuff, rather than product placement. It was a while ago though.
"don't fall into the fallacy of believing that Perl can solve social problems. Maybe Perl 6 can, but that's a ways off"
Not for long. They sent a letter to UPN that they wanted to limit the amount of "urban and ethnic" programming to 2 hours a week. UPN naturally told them to go screw themselves. They will probably just pick up another affiliate in that area.
Enigma
Enigma
Yeah, I always thought the funniest computer related quote from a film (with the possible exception of some of the lines in Wargames or Sneakers) was:
:-)
"This is *UNIX*! I know this!"
before a 14 year old girl flies around SGI's 3-D world rendering of the filesystem. About as close to Unix as you could get in a film at the time I suppose.
Incidentally I almost bought one of those Crimson machines a few months ago for about £400 but somebody else on ebay realised the value of the machine that was the original "Ratz the Cat" on Children's BBC (many years ago) and it went out of my bidding range by several times. Pah!
gkrellm, baby, yeeaaah!
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This
Jurassic Park.
Both rendered by, and featuring as the island's central computer, an SGI "Crimson" 100MHz MIPS 4000 minicomputer.
I know, I owned one. SGI sold them in the same configuration used by ILM (minus memory), in a numbered and signed set, as "Crimson, Jurassic Classic" models.
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Does this mean we can freely redistribute copies of the show? Shouldn't they be distributing source for the theme they used? Hmm, I smell a GPL violation, let's get 'em! We must demand the source code for every actor!
After way too many hours of monitor(s) glare, I actually enjoy mindless entertainment. If I wanted to think, I would not be watching tv. Lighten up, at least its not another mutation of xfiles with more than one badly played "geek" stereotype.
needs to be fucking shot... this is pathetic... this isn't news, this isn't anything that matters, its a fucking waste of screen space, and its this kind of nonsense that sends people away from slashdot in favor of other newsboards where actual news gets posted.
Mooniacs for iOS and Android
If it was LiteStep, we would see a BSOD.
sup
From darkphotn:
"Defrag the CD routers! Reallocate the speaker modules! Hurry, the OS pencil buffer is almost at warp factor seven!!!"
I think it should be mandatory that every producer who makes a "hacker"-style show should first pass a CSCI class. =]
who watches tv anyway?
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``ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country did to you'' --kmfdm
-kaitos
I thought it was more like an Ultra 10 or maybe 60. I'll have to watch it when it comes on again.
As for using a ZIP drive, when the movie was made it might have been harder but Solaris 8 is supposed to support them. Haven't had a chance to verify it though.
-- sayke, v2.3.05
Yeah, I was wondering how they got the frame relay to synch with the cameras and allow for replays and all.
Cool, can you get them to do some OS X next time?
Will in Seattle
I am a computer geek and a graphic designer (I am also a marketer, boy does that cause some internal conflict).
Why don't people seek my advice?
KJZZ is the local station in Utah which carries the shows from the nationwide UPN network.
If you go somewhere else, you'll find Level 9 on whatever the local UPN station is there, such as KBHK here in the San Francisco Bay Area.
Ahh...another government conspiracy show. Hmm...I do something rather similar for a living. They have lots of technobabble, but nothing that they are doing on the show makes any sense from a technical standpoint.
and they are using a nonexistant nokia cellular...
a combination between 7110 and 8110 if i remember correctly
Ring brother, ring for me | Ring the bells of hope and faith
Ring for my damnation | I am at the gallows end
Alot of people are going to ask why this matters. Let me explain.
Apple has a LONG history of dominating every single media-portrayed computer. Look in any wide-release movie in the last 10 years that has computers as a central or interesting part of the movie, and I guarantee its a mac.
From IndependenceDay (ID4) to The Net, it was an endless barrage of Apple making it seem like "everyone is using them."
Bullshit.
Enough is enough. Its time that when I turn on a show about a group of elite (and I *DONT* mean 1337) old-school-definition-hackers, by god, they should be using something realistic.
I dont see many security analysts busting out mac's to probe networks, and I dont see many mac root-kits.
In short, linux just made a prime-time appearance. Its mad cool. It SCREAMS, yeah, it rocks, yeah, it matters, and YEAH, intelligent uber-hacker type people use it.
Rock on..
GPL'd web-based tradewars themed space game
The actual hardware is a Mac. The plastics and Apple logo give it away ;-) as to the OS, it is not a Mac. Not sure. It could be LinuxPPC but I'm not sure.
-- DuckWing
Seriously, it obviously looks like Unix, but was it Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, HPUX etc?
Let's not forget that just becuase there was a Windowmanager (WindowMaker, I thought) doesn't make it Linux...
Ben
(Free Unix enthusiast)
Ok, so it's X, and maybe this sound very newbie of me, but does that mean it's definately Linux? It could be a BSD or Solaris for all we know. How can you tell from those screenshots alone? I see the point tho :)
> the average viewer does not look at what os people on tv are using
True...what they *do* look at is the big shiny apple with the bite taken out of it. As others have pointed out, 99% of the featured computers you see in the media are macs. But no one recognized them because of their software, it's all in the casing. Unless some company can make linux boxes (and I do mean the actual boxes) that look that distinctive, it won't make a bit of difference to joe average if it's running OS X or WinME or Enlightenment.
--mulch
--mulch
The
Nearly all computer screens in movies and TV are showing mock-ups of a GUI running on a Macintosh. It's probably a safe bet that there are almost no Linux or Unix screens in Hollywood today. There was "Contact" and "Jurassic Park" but those were from a different era. :^)
N4st0r, trixx0r h0bb1tz0rz! Th3y st0l3 0ur pr3c10uzz!
just annoy everybody i claim it's freebsd!
actually, i don't care was it linux, *bsd, solaris, or some other unix. main point is that it was most probably some unix-variant, and that's cool. most of the tv-shows usually have mac (as mentioned above) or windows (quite rarely) and last and the most used is the operating system that doesn't exist, although i think most of the time it's just some fullscreen application over some other os.
ound the message used repetitively over and over still nothing grows silen
The only other movies I have seen a *Unix* varient is on Jurassic park, and Sphere, but in Spherw it was just a bash prompt, so it probly wasn't real
No, it is definitely WM. The top left button is the WM paper clip which controls all the desktops, etc...
i think we've just found a new test for geekdom approval. Mind, you, i don't think that's bad. Just set a bunch of guys in front of a pic of a themed box. what WM is it? what theme is it? extra points if they can name the dock-apps based on the icon.
for what it's worth, i think it's all enlightenment. You'll notice the dock-apps, but the bottom one is the icon-box that comes with E. I'm sure they just have it tweaked out.
Although, Level 9 loses brownie points in my book for using one of the default themes that come with E (albeit probably the best one).
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume
Sure, the overall look might be Mac, Windows, Linux- but I used to work for a major studio and I know for a fact that most computer systems they show on screen for TV or movies are basically mockups. Where I was Director was popular because you could make pretty windows and progress bars do what you wanted them to do. I don't think I've ever seen a movie or TV show that depicted a real OS functioning for any period of time. Remember "The Net"? The graphics in that were terrible. It was a Mac-like director movie, basically. I also love Jurassic Park, when Nedry is talking to the guy at the dock and it's a Quicktime movie playing made to look like a live shot from a camera. Don't get all excited for something that isn't quite all there.
Well, I've never understood why TV Guide lists it as KJZZ but the logo clearly indicates UPN. :-) I couldn't remember which station I was watching so I put both... thanks for the laugh though. Some of the replies have been... well... good laughs on a Friday night. :-)
I read somewhere that in most movies they usually create a blue screen on the monitor and insert the "fake OS" over it. Anyone else see the connection here?
"Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know."
-- Ernest Hemingway
You may not have noticed, but the same key you pressed to make all those expletives really big, will also capitalise the first letter of words at the beginning of a sentence, and the first letter in proper nouns. AOL must have mailed out those CD's again, and it looks like they finally got a phone line out to Bubba's cabin......
Chances are pretty good that someone created that desktop in Macromedia Director. Computer screens are done this way all the time for film and television.
Some images were probably captured from Window Maker and sprites were created from them. Its really simple.
It may well have been a Mac or Windows machine.
Great finally Linux in the mainstream and it's
used by a bunch of crackers. Maybe this isn't such good PR.
"as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee" - Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz. (One man's humorous is another mans flamebait)
For those of you with a good eye, you can see a Sun Ultra450 in enemy of the state. Jason Lee (sp?) uses one for video editing that he caputers of birds. In his apartment you see him useing CDE and writes a file to a Zip disk. I have never used a Zip drive on a sun before, but I dont see why the scsi model wouldnt work. The case design of the the computer gives it away as a sun ultra 450, the use of CDE just confirms hes using solaris. Now almost none of my non-unix user friends could remember that, but all of the unix users quickly noticed and commented. I suspect we can be sure that no one that doesnt already notice this to be a windowmaker dock & enlightenment combo will ever know they saw something that they could be using today.
Reminds me of when we (amiga users) got excited that they were using Amigas on Max Headroom.
We can see where that all ended up.
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A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
no question it's really positvely afterstep, look closely at left vertical row of icons, 2nd icon from top has black/white circle with step in it much like ying yang is the afterstep logo!
Don't flame me because the syntax, if you really want to do this, clean it up. It has been awhile and I am fscking tried.
#!/usr/bin/perl
$user = "me";
# I know this is the wrong sytnax for xterm
# but there is an option to change the font size
# Just do that, and set the window size and
# maybe color, check the man page for correct
# Syntax
$xterm = "/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm --font=REALLY_BIG_FONT --font-size=14";
# This takes parameters, I forget though
# just get a random whole number between 1-59
while ($random = int (rand()))
{
$pid = `ps aux | grep $user | grep xterm | wc -l`;
# 2 isn't the correct parameter, look at thedoc
# just pull the minutes out of local time
$minute = localtime(2);
if ( ($minute == $random) && ($pid >= 5) )
{ system ("$xterm"); }
sleep (55);
}
exit;
The syntax is messed up, but you get the idea
Actucally this might be fun to install on users work stations.
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
Well, its not win, thats for damn sure.
Ignore the Anonymous Pissant trolls !!!
Lol! I know Sawfish starts out with less memory usage, but after a while, it will tend to eat all your swap. Beware of the memory leaks! E doesn't leak like that (not in the latest 0.16)
On a side note, the "ascii art" lameness filter wouldn't let me put "Linux == Game?" in the subject. Uh, whatever.
Say hello to zMac.
I see a WindowMaker dock on there. You have to consider why certain things show up on TV though. Last year, there were lots of iMacs, because the colors show up rather well on TV. They're probably using Linux because they can easily customize its appearance, because it looks techy and most people won't recognize it on site, and because anyone who DOES recognize it will think that the show is more realistic because the characters are running Linux.
Somewhat off topic but does anyone know what system the guy on Dark Angel it using, it looks pretty slick, a lot of use of transparant windows. It also looks functional as I've seen the guy drag stuff around.
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
I'd be happy to recieve e-mail from you, unless of course it's blatant spam. Then I'd be happy to laugh at YOU while you get sued.
BTW, I do not run suespammers.org. I just use it, and participate in the mailing list, because it means I can post my e-mail address in plaintext (and so can you) and I DON'T GET SPAMMED. The spammers with half a clue don't send to suespammers.org addresses, and those without get half a clue after the first time.
Tom Geller is the guy who runs it, and I think it IS a good thing. I fail to see where you got the impression that it was a charitable thing that takes money from poor Africans (as the overused argument goes) - he *makes money* from this.
Tom gives those addresses TONS of exposure. I got this e-mail address specifically so that pathetic sadists like you couldn't get off on screwing with my e-mail anymore. Your AC post on Slashdot will have no effect whatsoever.
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Obfuscated e-mail addresses won't stop sadistic 12-year-old ACs.
Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
It may well be an sgi, but there is no reason that it would not be Windowmaker. Just because you run IRIX, doesn't mean you have to run 4dwm.
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If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will.
You sound like the same sort of people who get hard-ons 'cause they see a Mac sitting on Seinfeld's table.
I agree. Its much, much, much more rewarding to get a hard-on every time Seinfeld's bicycle changed from a Klein to a Cannondale and back to a Klein again.
Access Denied message. it would be cool if randomly popped up when I had 5 xterms opened at once. ;)
is it possible to load windows on a pc? mac OS/x on a pc? linix on both? partation your hdrive and have them all? how aboute win ce? hahahah and how the heck do you chang the password on slashdot?
shouldnt we keep linux on tv minimal, i mean, face it, the mainstream sucks, pop culture sucks. its dead and worthless, the more linux appears on the television the it will become mainstream, and face it, thats bad. linux works because the people that code it are active in the linux community, and if mainstreamers come in they will go and completly try to fuck up everything (and please dont go balistic on how we need change in upcoming rules and how linux could refuse broken or bad code, i already know this)
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``ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country did to you'' --kmfdm
-kaitos
KiboMaster wrote:
...in most movies they usually create a blue screen on the monitor...
That's because with a traditional CRT monitor the contrast would be terrible and if you could see the picture on the screen at all it would have scan shadows. In this case they used an SGI 1600SW digital LCD flat panel so they might not have had to bother blue screening it.
I ran that theme for a while. Blue window titles with little notches taken out. Look at it here ;
i was out, and in fact at a party, not a lan party, or a geek party, or one where people didnt spend most of their free time on their computers (except me), so, what you talking bout willis? but i will be up till late in the night on my computer.
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``ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country did to you'' --kmfdm
-kaitos
I guess it's like how some Jews in the US (and other countries) get excited when a TV show has a Jewish character or mentions Hanukhah. It's just a little bit of "recognition" from the "mainstream" for people who often feel like they are being ignored or even persecuted by the dominant majority.
Actually, there are many similarities between Unix users and other minorities (religious or otherwise), vis-a-vis the majority culture. All the way to the outright hostility we get from some Microsoft users because we won't do like "everyone else" does.
Looks like whoever did the product placement is one smart cookie. Most Windows or Mac users would be out socializing when this show was on, while they knew that they could count on your typical Linux nerd sitting at home watching television on a Friday night. Now _that's_ marketing.
the average viewer does not look at what os people on tv are using. they don't look at a screen and say, 'i'll be damned, ethel, that ain't windows!' it's cool that an 'alternative' os is being used on tv, but it is not going to shatter the television glass and spill into people's homes. people see it as just another technocyberhyperthingummie. maybe i am being cynical, but i think we are the only ones that cared to notice.
I appear to have posted that anonmymously. oops. Read my post here
"If IE is 'just a web browser' then emacs is 'just a text editor'."
I think that's a first. I remeber Jurrasic Park(This is is a UNIX computer >>> I know THIS...) Samuel L. was using a MAC and getting cigarette ashes in the keyboard. I saw a TV documentary or something while channel surfing one time, It showed some Military Guy, Navy I think. They were using Windows. It looked like a freshly install box along with a setup an internet connection Icon and a signup for msn icon right on the desktop. I all most puked.
Looks like Enlightenment running the Window Maker dock