THE AMIGA IS DEAD! Get over it. The Amiga Corp. is dead and gone. It will never come back! There will be no 1 Ghz Amiga 5 billion with 20 gigs of RAM and only cost $599 (What I paid for my Amiga 500). This hype and vaporware is on the same level as Microsoft.
Ya, but shutting them off!?!? Those men would have died true heros of not only The United States but also Humanity. To switch them off like radio static would have been cruel to say the least. Letting them talk to their familes and those they love would be the right thing to do. Being Scientific is one thing, but cruel is another.
Good point, why in the hell is hacking the kernel and getting direct support from the engineers who made the software considered fair in benchmarking??? When I first saw the Mindcraft results, I about laughed my ass off after reading that MS had direct help in the tuning of the server. When I can get personal hacked/tuned kernel from MS, and have their engineers come out and work on my servers, I might consider running NT on the server side. Come on IBM. Take it out of the box, do some Real Guy Tunning(TM) and then test it over serveral weeks. Then get back to us.
GOOD! This time I am glad the man busted you! I am home for the summer at my parents house in San Diego (Time Warner Road Runner, San Diego) and I can't get over the speed of RR. I just hope people like you, no offense, don't screw this service up. I don't know how many ISP's I have been on that came down on people for *ANY* big downloads or upload because some other fools abused it. Just use what you need and nothing else. No 31i+3 warez servers, web servers, or Icecaste servers. Your also kinda lucky I don't work in the Abuse Monitoring section of your cable provider. I would have kicked you off for about 3 months and then called you after your ban and asked you if you still want to run an Icecast server. @Home is reacting in a bad way, but its the only way it can react to protect itself and legit users of it service.
I think is more about for Profit companies getting it. Intel knows that for them to get out of the hands of MS, they must help the OSS people. I also think that they know that compilers are becoming too big and unmanagable for single group of people to handle. In some cases, hundreds of programers from around the world with a little free time and alot of skills doing what they like but not for a living, is what you need. Don't believe me, look MS's compiler. With all those people and money, it still produces some pretty bad code. Also, Intel may also be trying to deversify from its relationship with MS. Something they could not get away with a couple of years ago, but in todays anti-MS and the government breathing down MS's back they can do. All in all, a good move on Intels part.
"It runs well and doesn't cost an arm and a leg." I think that sums it all up. If NT ran 3 times better than Linux, then it would be worth it, but it doesn't. Linux will pick up in the business world simply because other Unix's may cost too much, and NT is not the raving success that MS has it cracked up to be. As there are more and more Linux success stories, and NT5 does not pan out to be what MS wants it to be. More businesses will pick up on Linux. All the Corp FUD with Linux will melt away.
A Hitachi or some other computers company got busted for "Dumping". That is, selling the good for less than it costs to produce. This drives others out of business and leaves the market for the Dumper. Of course, they have to be able to still stay in business while "dumping". When your Hitachi you still have other products that are very profitable.
That I think it is pretty cool that you can get an account on the 129th (CPLANT) fastest computer, if your work is valid. I just think that is too frigg'n cool.
It's about people polluting the data you moron. They state this at the SETI site, and it takes about 3 seconds of any person to figure it out. They can't trust the clients and not giving out the source keeps people from screwing with the data and sending it back to them. Now, I agree with you about the security of it. But what might help is putting the cleint on it's own account, and chrooting it. Not hard, and *IF* SETI is a trojan, it won't do anything to your machine or let people in.
When it comes to the SETI client, I think the people who did this project had no idea that this many people would be in it. I heard an interview with one of the head SETI organizers about a year ago and they sounded like the 100,000 mark was what they would get. Now, with 250,000 people running this thing, and growing, they bit off more than they can chew. Here is their chance to show that they can manage the project or they will fail. Who will run the client if everyone cruchs the same data blocks because they screwed up?
I have been thinking about this and I thought of the same idea. Everyone puts a generice client on their computers and then they just get the plug-in of their favorite nerdy cause and wham! Instant super computer. Of course, the evil spin is this, some country like China mandates or offers prizes to people who run the generic client on their PC. Then whom ever's PC is responsible for the solution (What ever it is) gets a billion Dong (Or whatever it is). Then China does not need to get super computers from the US. In 10 years, %5 or %10 of the population (A HUGH amount) will have PC's and they can tap into that big pool of spare CPU's.
I agree. You people out there in the world need to get more bandwidth. No one is going to deliver a magic connection that gives 2TB over your power lines. Cable and DSL is the only way to go right now.
I could not agree more. My lonely Quake2 server (patty.cmp.csuchico.edu) was harassed by AOL lusers. I sent in several complants to AOL, but received nothing back, and the lusers from AOL kept showing up. Complants about childish people to other ISP's recieved prompt attention and action. I think one of the previous posters hit it right on the mark. AOL see's the Internet (and all of the materials on it) as resources to be exploited, and not to added to or treated as a community. The idea I have in mind is how certain businesses see Natural Resources in the world. Some go in and strip mine, and deforest, not caring. While others go in and use a resource, making sure that it is not damaged and contributing and adding to the resource. AOL just has to change it's mind set, and these German's are going to help them. I wish other ISP's would follow their lead.
Agreed! I run just a handful of servers, and they are all libc5 based. glibc 2.x is there for an binary compatablilies. I love Slackware since it is more about stability than doing the latest trend in Linux. I have used it on all of my productin machines, even getting rid of Redhat if needed.
Our first Microsoft Whore is out of the "Gates" and running! Your problem is that your stuck with one company's software. So if Microsoft drops that product, your screwed!
Agreed. It says quite clear in the Apache's "Why Use Apache?" Doc, that it is not built for speed but stability. All these benchmark people are pretty brain dead, if you ask me. Even in some "benchmarks" that compare AIX vs NT, NT chures out more static pages than AIX, but chokes on highloads, while AIX just keeps chugging along. I have a good idea that on one and two CPUs, Linux is exactly the same. If you gave me the choice between stablility and reliablilty vs speed, I would take the stability and reliablilty any day! No one ever got fired for have stable and reliable servers!!
Right on brotha! The USA is not into the ivading and taking over business. I think we got out of that 30 years ago. You can look at cases like Seria, Pursain Gulf War, Iran, Libya, and Solmalia) and think other wise. All five cases are a mixed cases of good long term foreign with a bit of bad and some what unpopular foreign policy. You in Europe should be glad to see that the US sticks it nose in other people business. Seria is genocide, Iran exports terrorist that work in and out of Europe, Persain Gulf for better or worse made gas cheap and avilable, Libya does not nuclear/bio/chemical weapons, and Solmalia, well four out of five ain't bad. Also some other posters hit right on the mark. Iran supports terrorist (They actually state it in the their yearly budget and print it in the Tehran Daily (Or what every it is called)!), and oppresses its own people. You should not be helping them in anyway. I only hope that moderates do win their power struggle, then they it's okay to help them out.
The reason no one replied to his message is that he gave *NO* information on what he was doing. Saying, I have a 4 XEON and I want to run a server is far from enough. Looking at the orginal posting, I did not see any discussion of kind of netcards, how much CGI, or even what kind of business they were doing. They just posted for the token, "We asked for help" don't blame us. The whole Mindcraft thing is a joke. Linux will never get a far shake from them with MS paying the bills.
I hate to say it, but your so full of it. NT with a year uptime? Every NT server I have ever ran that did anything had to be rebooted once a week, min. If it's unpatched, I know you don't have it on an open network. You can say NT is threaded, reentrant, modular, and has all the cool feature you want, but when it comes down to it, it is not stable. And that is all that matters. Feature are one thing that sells to business people, however, it is stablity that makes a system great.
You forgot to say that RPM's are for sissies! Slackware users tend to be the people who know something about Linux in the smallest amount of time. I really can't stand people who "install" Linux and the GNU tools, and have no clue of how it works. New installs of Linux should be hard, and when the new user starts to show they know something, they can use RPM's then. I think this should especially true for X. The harder, the better!
I think one of the other posters had a good point. Ya, he was screwed on this, but he did have priors and he did jump bail before. No way a judge would let him get bail on this. One other hand, he changed lawyers three times and his defense team filed many delays (Claiming the goverment with held evidence. Kevin had to know he was screwed when he got caught. Prior convictions, and he got caught again. He should have been smart, like every claims he is, and pleaded guilty to the charges. I don't think he would have gotten 20 years, but it would have been less time that he has been sitting in LA county jail. Remember is he guilty of many of those charges! What is also not helping him are the web page hackers that go around putting up "Free Kevin" on NY Times and IdSoftware web sites as well as others. I use to feel sorry for the guy, but not after his supports went to such lenghts, to prove what a bunch of children they are.
Wow, 3-4 months. I am jealous of you. I ran an NT box that did Win95 filerservering (Good volume on it) and Win95 printing (Lots of volume too). The thing had to be rebooted every other day. Drove us crazy since us Linux guys had personal machines on the Internet that did a good amount of volume too, with 5 month uptimes. We took them down to change the kernel. After awhile we were like dogs at the Microsoft door, waiting for the next fix to be fed to us. After 8 months of that, I quit and the next interview I did, I stated that I would not run any NT boxes and explained my problems with NT. Needless to say, got the job! However, I am bored, my Linux machine work all the time, because they always work once you set them up. PS> Part time school job, so nothing major.
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THE AMIGA IS DEAD! Get over it.
The Amiga Corp. is dead and gone. It will never come back! There will be no 1 Ghz Amiga 5 billion with 20 gigs of RAM and only cost $599 (What I paid for my Amiga 500).
This hype and vaporware is on the same level as Microsoft.
Ya, but shutting them off!?!?
Those men would have died true heros of not only The United States but also Humanity. To switch them off like radio static would have been cruel to say the least. Letting them talk to their familes and those they love would be the right thing to do.
Being Scientific is one thing, but cruel is another.
Good point, why in the hell is hacking the kernel and getting direct support from the engineers who made the software considered fair in benchmarking??? When I first saw the Mindcraft results, I about laughed my ass off after reading that MS had direct help in the tuning of the server.
When I can get personal hacked/tuned kernel from MS, and have their engineers come out and work on my servers, I might consider running NT on the server side.
Come on IBM. Take it out of the box, do some Real Guy Tunning(TM) and then test it over serveral weeks. Then get back to us.
GOOD! This time I am glad the man busted you! I am home for the summer at my parents house in San Diego (Time Warner Road Runner, San Diego) and I can't get over the speed of RR. I just hope people like you, no offense, don't screw this service up. I don't know how many ISP's I have been on that came down on people for *ANY* big downloads or upload because some other fools abused it. Just use what you need and nothing else. No 31i+3 warez servers, web servers, or Icecaste servers. Your also kinda lucky I don't work in the Abuse Monitoring section of your cable provider. I would have kicked you off for about 3 months and then called you after your ban and asked you if you still want to run an Icecast server.
@Home is reacting in a bad way, but its the only way it can react to protect itself and legit users of it service.
I think is more about for Profit companies getting it. Intel knows that for them to get out of the hands of MS, they must help the OSS people. I also think that they know that compilers are becoming too big and unmanagable for single group of people to handle. In some cases, hundreds of programers from around the world with a little free time and alot of skills doing what they like but not for a living, is what you need.
Don't believe me, look MS's compiler. With all those people and money, it still produces some pretty bad code. Also, Intel may also be trying to deversify from its relationship with MS. Something they could not get away with a couple of years ago, but in todays anti-MS and the government breathing down MS's back they can do.
All in all, a good move on Intels part.
But I think the IBM systems were big Custom jobs. No one ever sues for small to medium size jobs or systems.
"It runs well and doesn't cost an arm and a leg."
I think that sums it all up. If NT ran 3 times better than Linux, then it would be worth it, but it doesn't. Linux will pick up in the business world simply because other Unix's may cost too much, and NT is not the raving success that MS has it cracked up to be. As there are more and more Linux success stories, and NT5 does not pan out to be what MS wants it to be. More businesses will pick up on Linux. All the Corp FUD with Linux will melt away.
A Hitachi or some other computers company got busted for "Dumping". That is, selling the good for less than it costs to produce. This drives others out of business and leaves the market for the Dumper. Of course, they have to be able to still stay in business while "dumping". When your Hitachi you still have other products that are very profitable.
That I think it is pretty cool that you can get an account on the 129th (CPLANT) fastest computer, if your work is valid. I just think that is too frigg'n cool.
It's about people polluting the data you moron.
They state this at the SETI site, and it takes about 3 seconds of any person to figure it out. They can't trust the clients and not giving out the source keeps people from screwing with the data and sending it back to them.
Now, I agree with you about the security of it. But what might help is putting the cleint on it's own account, and chrooting it. Not hard, and *IF* SETI is a trojan, it won't do anything to your machine or let people in.
When it comes to the SETI client, I think the people who did this project had no idea that this many people would be in it. I heard an interview with one of the head SETI organizers about a year ago and they sounded like the 100,000 mark was what they would get. Now, with 250,000 people running this thing, and growing, they bit off more than they can chew.
Here is their chance to show that they can manage the project or they will fail. Who will run the client if everyone cruchs the same data blocks because they screwed up?
I have been thinking about this and I thought of the same idea. Everyone puts a generice client on their computers and then they just get the plug-in of their favorite nerdy cause and wham! Instant super computer.
Of course, the evil spin is this, some country like China mandates or offers prizes to people who run the generic client on their PC. Then whom ever's PC is responsible for the solution (What ever it is) gets a billion Dong (Or whatever it is). Then China does not need to get super computers from the US. In 10 years, %5 or %10 of the population (A HUGH amount) will have PC's and they can tap into that big pool of spare CPU's.
I agree. You people out there in the world need to get more bandwidth. No one is going to deliver a magic connection that gives 2TB over your power lines. Cable and DSL is the only way to go right now.
I could not agree more. My lonely Quake2 server (patty.cmp.csuchico.edu) was harassed by AOL lusers. I sent in several complants to AOL, but received nothing back, and the lusers from AOL kept showing up. Complants about childish people to other ISP's recieved prompt attention and action.
I think one of the previous posters hit it right on the mark. AOL see's the Internet (and all of the materials on it) as resources to be exploited, and not to added to or treated as a community. The idea I have in mind is how certain businesses see Natural Resources in the world. Some go in and strip mine, and deforest, not caring. While others go in and use a resource, making sure that it is not damaged and contributing and adding to the resource.
AOL just has to change it's mind set, and these German's are going to help them. I wish other ISP's would follow their lead.
Agreed! I run just a handful of servers, and they are all libc5 based. glibc 2.x is there for an binary compatablilies.
I love Slackware since it is more about stability than doing the latest trend in Linux. I have used it on all of my productin machines, even getting rid of Redhat if needed.
Our first Microsoft Whore is out of the "Gates" and running!
Your problem is that your stuck with one company's software. So if Microsoft drops that product, your screwed!
Agreed. It says quite clear in the Apache's "Why Use Apache?" Doc, that it is not built for speed but stability. All these benchmark people are pretty brain dead, if you ask me.
Even in some "benchmarks" that compare AIX vs NT, NT chures out more static pages than AIX, but chokes on highloads, while AIX just keeps chugging along. I have a good idea that on one and two CPUs, Linux is exactly the same.
If you gave me the choice between stablility and reliablilty vs speed, I would take the stability and reliablilty any day! No one ever got fired for have stable and reliable servers!!
Right on brotha!
The USA is not into the ivading and taking over business. I think we got out of that 30 years ago. You can look at cases like Seria, Pursain Gulf War, Iran, Libya, and Solmalia) and think other wise. All five cases are a mixed cases of good long term foreign with a bit of bad and some what unpopular foreign policy.
You in Europe should be glad to see that the US sticks it nose in other people business. Seria is genocide, Iran exports terrorist that work in and out of Europe, Persain Gulf for better or worse made gas cheap and avilable, Libya does not nuclear/bio/chemical weapons, and Solmalia, well four out of five ain't bad.
Also some other posters hit right on the mark. Iran supports terrorist (They actually state it in the their yearly budget and print it in the Tehran Daily (Or what every it is called)!), and oppresses its own people. You should not be helping them in anyway. I only hope that moderates do win their power struggle, then they it's okay to help them out.
So true. If your so pissed off so bad you can't think, the only person you should be nice to is the phone receptionist.
The reason no one replied to his message is that he gave *NO* information on what he was doing. Saying, I have a 4 XEON and I want to run a server is far from enough. Looking at the orginal posting, I did not see any discussion of kind of netcards, how much CGI, or even what kind of business they were doing. They just posted for the token, "We asked for help" don't blame us.
The whole Mindcraft thing is a joke. Linux will never get a far shake from them with MS paying the bills.
Just get on your trust Lynx and just download it. Great thing about Lynx is that YOU control everything about it.
I hate to say it, but your so full of it. NT with a year uptime? Every NT server I have ever ran that did anything had to be rebooted once a week, min. If it's unpatched, I know you don't have it on an open network.
You can say NT is threaded, reentrant, modular, and has all the cool feature you want, but when it comes down to it, it is not stable. And that is all that matters. Feature are one thing that sells to business people, however, it is stablity that makes a system great.
You forgot to say that RPM's are for sissies! Slackware users tend to be the people who know something about Linux in the smallest amount of time.
I really can't stand people who "install" Linux and the GNU tools, and have no clue of how it works. New installs of Linux should be hard, and when the new user starts to show they know something, they can use RPM's then. I think this should especially true for X. The harder, the better!
I think one of the other posters had a good point. Ya, he was screwed on this, but he did have priors and he did jump bail before. No way a judge would let him get bail on this.
One other hand, he changed lawyers three times and his defense team filed many delays (Claiming the goverment with held evidence.
Kevin had to know he was screwed when he got caught. Prior convictions, and he got caught again. He should have been smart, like every claims he is, and pleaded guilty to the charges. I don't think he would have gotten 20 years, but it would have been less time that he has been sitting in LA county jail. Remember is he guilty of many of those charges!
What is also not helping him are the web page hackers that go around putting up "Free Kevin" on NY Times and IdSoftware web sites as well as others. I use to feel sorry for the guy, but not after his supports went to such lenghts, to prove what a bunch of children they are.
Wow, 3-4 months. I am jealous of you. I ran an NT box that did Win95 filerservering (Good volume on it) and Win95 printing (Lots of volume too). The thing had to be rebooted every other day. Drove us crazy since us Linux guys had personal machines on the Internet that did a good amount of volume too, with 5 month uptimes. We took them down to change the kernel.
After awhile we were like dogs at the Microsoft door, waiting for the next fix to be fed to us.
After 8 months of that, I quit and the next interview I did, I stated that I would not run any NT boxes and explained my problems with NT. Needless to say, got the job! However, I am bored, my Linux machine work all the time, because they always work once you set them up.
PS> Part time school job, so nothing major.