A pile people reading a few pages of text is not going
to impact a T1 line(1,4Mb) one little bit.
Your WRT54GL runs at 2.6Gb. That's 1000 of
people reading shashdot. The problem would be
1000s of people watching TV. But that's not
what we are talking about it is? Perhaps that's
what the telco's want to sell you?
Also We are not talking about one WRT54GL
we are talking about an ad hock grid of them.
Your packets routed over the fastest path
over the grid.
Sure some rural people might over load an
extended grid watching TV on it.
Back in 1994 Apple tryed to get the FCC to allow home users to use a 10 to 15 km range Wifi, not 803.11, nic.
So you could just as well call then Apples, or Linuses. Perhaps with the OSS connection Since this is little known the OSS connection is easier to make.
Today we are all aliens. Time to get some Bills and Linuses, out there.
Well, The year was 1994, the FCC sided with the telco's and did not give us the air waves.
Now we think the short range 803.11 is all there is.
But for this to work in places that are not packed like big cities we need the range.
So its the FCC that is sticking it to us. And poring out cash into the telco's
With the FON network we would not have cell phone bills. Since every other house or all the nerd houses would have a FON. That more routers then the telco's have now.
Right now only the telco's have the airwaves. We want our freedom of speech back.
We don't want to pay the Tea tax to the King any more. I say thrown it in to the harbor.
FON, means Google does not have to run the fiber. Fiber is over rated any way.
The FON system has 3 types of users.
Bill's connect to the Internet and pay the telco. Linus's provide routers a , for access. Aliens's Pay the Bills for access.
This way all benefit. This only has to be a last mile network. FON does not need to be an Internet in its self.
As for Googles dark fiber its a way to provide more Bill type access points.
I was reading the Comcast Access agreement and you are agreeing to a single family usage. So there is that problem. The Bills types still need better access providers. The current telcos may not allow any thing social. All the telcos want is your money.
Sure portable Wearable Computing would be nice too. Even a cellphone access would be nice. Perhaps soon I can buy a 803.11g cellphone.
But we are talking about the last mile here. You join the last mile net by putting a $5 router at home. And you get access to all the other routers.
As for me I will just plug in my old 486 with two nic's in, that I use to gateway my LAN. Or you can just plug your desk top in directly. You see the WRT54G has a 4 port hub built in. It also has the 5 null modem port, But you will not need that.
I could not find a port side picture, but I did find a block diagram of the wrt54gl. Its the same format as the wrt54gs I got for my Dad.
I did not see what the bandwidth was, but in the Old Google rumors talked about being able to buy into faster bandwidth for a nominal fee.
As I have said before You all can can put a tower on my land if you provide me with an Internet feed.
You have to read the notes to know that both Rob and Linus have done there job completely and correctly as any good programmer should. Both have automated there work. Both have reached the the goal of any sys admin! Now its time to for nethack.
Personally, I'm in the camp which says "Send men to Mars, but don't give them a way to return." Just keep sending more men, and more equipment, with absolutely no thought to how to get them back. Who cares how to get 'em back? Earth has enough humans! This would make space travel to Mars quite affordable, and possible within just a few years.
But first you need to learn to feed'em.
Remember the First Biosphere project failed.
Due to simple lack of understanding of the chemistry
of a biosphere. You can not send people to mars or space
until this basic research is perfected.
from Craig interview "
The telecom execs tell us they can be trusted to play fair
The telecom execs claim they need lots of cash to build an infrastructure
The telecoms want to replace Microsoft, Google, Yahoo and You. And will
when they extract usage tariffs on the order of long distance charges.
What will be left is a broadcast Media not unlike TV. We will not be
online but rather we will watch the people the telecoms pick to entertain us.
Scott Cleland chairman of NetCompetition.org, said "
Second, net neutrality would be a 180 degree reversal of the government's highly successful policy to promote competition and not regulate the Internet.".
That's and out right lie.
The telecoms will have the power shut out all of what the Internet should be,
by simply controlling cost. There brodcast offerings can be cashed at
there POP sight and not even need an Internet. At that point the
new printing press will be effetely be dead. And an real Internet usage
will be added to your long distance bill.
Scott confuses broadband with extreme offering TV over your phone lines.
With the sort of relativity low bandwidth usage we get from Google and
Slashdot.
And the whole program will start all over from the beggining. Until the day some program descovers an open source Matrix, steping outside the loop. To watch is all reset.
Everyone else is doing it. Why not.
Say the biggest Music Publisher buys
a mp3 player producer and changes the format
to a proprietary format and the only way to
get pod music is to use that hardware.
Now that everyone that is anyone has the
new player other musicians can't get published
until they sign with the big monopoly.
Direct Tv and Comcast transmits there own digital formats.
You can't store them on your hard drive and play them back
until you go to analogue and recompress them.
The last mile should be a wifi(max/whatever) openband grid of users. Each house in your area is a router.
We would not need that last mile ISP, if we all used each other to get to the BackBone level providers. It would be best to deal directly with free enterprise, at the backbone level, then to deal with right-of-way-owners/monopolies/socialism.
Your connection looks like this when you use the Internet.
Server s-ISP {Backbone} y-IPS User
You pay your IPS to connect. your ISP in turn pays for a connection to the backbone. In turn the server pays for its' ISP connection and in turn that ISP payees to connects the backbone. The many corporations that connect traffic across the backbone do so in a similarly manner. each paying to get data move from point to point. In the end all costs are passed back to the ISP's and in turn to the Users and Servers.
The system works. But when One ISP owns the servers Its own backbone a driving force to shutout competitors start to come in to play. This is why we need legislation to make the monopolies play fair.
When your server wants to start streaming data-rich video The ISP will charge them for the bandwidth being used. In turn when your ISP sees that 100s of its customers are watching the same CNN stream it will cashe it and save on its upstream costs.
The Internet can work without double billing and monopolistic cheating. As soon as we start double billing the servers the servers will go away. and all that is left will be the ISP's services.
The Internet has changed the world. We no longer have to pay per minute long distance fees for data. The phone company dose not like this. And wants it all back. When there is only one thing to connect to the Internet will be like TV all you get is what is given to you. Is that progress?
You missed the point. We are trying to support capitalism not monopolizing
socialist corporations. Net Neutrality is required to allow capitalism.
Yes the Government can make a mess of things.
Seemes thats what we are getting.
1)bandwidth is already plentiful; we're talking about hypothetical harms here.
This is simply false.
It has all ready happened that ISP are artificially dialling back
on competitors. This makes consumers switch to the monopolies services.
Yes there are not enough telecoms two is not enough.
2)companies already pay for ISP's and webhosting; tiered service is not anything new. Anyway, webhosting costs have been decreasing in price. I find it highly unlikely that this downward trend won't continue across the board.
So you are going to take away the little competition that exists today.
3)The thing I find strange is that if anything, tiered pricing, by passing on costs to distributors, could ultimately benefit consumers by lowering subscription costs.
I think you missed the point.
We are talking about a distributor paying for all the wires that his
data crosses. You are actual talking about changing the Internet into
a Long distance service plan payed for by distributor. And anything that
the distributor pays for is in the end passed on to us to pay for.
Do you think in time this will lead us to anything other then
a single winner that will own the Internet. Look at what happened
to the old phone system. Why do you think people are at this time
not paying for long distance. Do you really think the difference in
cost is not simply going into someones pocket?
4)So what if SBC decides to implement a tiered system of bandwidth! Consumers just stop renewing their contracts if they hate it enough. That's much better than making courts and legislators do a lot of hairsplitting about what legislative intent was/should be.
So I read this as, we should simply turn off the Internet.
We don't need it we have can make long distance
phone calls and get all the data we need.
5)I worry less about tiered service than I do about ISPs blocking p2p traffic. Then again, I see no need to enact legislation merely to keep certain ports open.
Oh, didn't you that all network traffic is p2p.
Let me put that another way. To talk p2p
one of the 'p's is the server and the other is the client.
p2p is just a new way to define the old way the Internet works.
It should be called Consumer 2 Consumer. Where net2phone
owns your wallet. Yet another mess the government has made for us.
How do you think you find URL in the first place.
You search, URL are stored on a web sight. DNS gives you the IP.
You find links on friends web pages.
You guess at the link john.doe.street.county.state.phone
Net2phone, just wants to be the only provider in the Internet
for DNS and search info for your phone. This is not how capitalism works.
6)as an independent content producer (and soon a distributor), I want the Net environment to be as unregulated as possible (even from laws that purport to ensure access). If some ISPs are going to charge for tiered service, either they better offer substantial benefits to customers or people will abandon them in droves.
This will not work. The right-of-way to provide ISP connections
drives minimal competition. This will simply lead us back to the AT&T
slash MaBell problems.
7)what concerns me more is restrictive Terms of Service and EULAs. If ISPs offer twice the bandwidth for half the cost, that is great. But if the saving comes with all sorts of extra provisions on TOS, then the battle has been lost.
You missed the point. With one ISP you get all the bad stu
I did this in the 90's. and the patent is dated 22aug2000.
Sure I only had one line in my database.
But I had a network client that wrote to/etc/hosts on my colocated host.
My ISP handed out new IP addresses every week or so.
But since my address was registered with my colocated host on connect.
I did not care.
Slashdot Mirror
A pile people reading a few pages of text is not going to impact a T1 line(1,4Mb) one little bit. Your WRT54GL runs at 2.6Gb. That's 1000 of people reading shashdot. The problem would be 1000s of people watching TV. But that's not what we are talking about it is? Perhaps that's what the telco's want to sell you?
Also We are not talking about one WRT54GL we are talking about an ad hock grid of them. Your packets routed over the fastest path over the grid. Sure some rural people might over load an extended grid watching TV on it.
Back in 1994 Apple tryed to get the FCC to allow
home users to use a 10 to 15 km range Wifi,
not 803.11, nic.
So you could just as well call then Apples,
or Linuses. Perhaps with the OSS connection
Since this is little known
the OSS connection is easier to make.
Today we are all aliens.
Time to get some Bills and Linuses, out there.
Let the school save a few bucks to spend on the
education of our children.
Well, The year was 1994, the FCC sided with the telco's
and did not give us the air waves.
Now we think the short range 803.11 is all there is.
But for this to work in places that are not packed like
big cities we need the range.
So its the FCC that is sticking it to us.
And poring out cash into the telco's
With the FON network we would not have cell phone bills.
Since every other house or all the nerd houses would have a FON.
That more routers then the telco's have now.
Right now only the telco's have the airwaves.
We want our freedom of speech back.
We don't want to pay the Tea tax to the King any more.
I say thrown it in to the harbor.
FON, means Google does not have to run the fiber.
Fiber is over rated any way.
The FON system has 3 types of users.
Bill's connect to the Internet and pay the telco.
Linus's provide routers a , for access.
Aliens's Pay the Bills for access.
This way all benefit.
This only has to be a last mile network.
FON does not need to be an Internet in its self.
As for Googles dark fiber its a way to provide
more Bill type access points.
I was reading the Comcast Access agreement and you
are agreeing to a single family usage.
So there is that problem.
The Bills types still need better access providers.
The current telcos may not allow any thing social.
All the telcos want is your money.
Sure portable Wearable Computing would be nice too.
Even a cellphone access would be nice.
Perhaps soon I can buy a 803.11g cellphone.
But we are talking about the last mile here.
You join the last mile net by putting a $5 router at home.
And you get access to all the other routers.
As for me I will just plug in my old 486 with two nic's in,
that I use to gateway my LAN. Or you can just plug your desk top
in directly. You see the WRT54G has a 4 port hub built in. It
also has the 5 null modem port, But you will not need that.
I could not find a port side picture, but I did find a block diagram
of the wrt54gl.
Its the same format as the wrt54gs I got for my Dad.
I did not see what the bandwidth was, but in the Old
Google rumors talked about being able to buy into
faster bandwidth for a nominal fee.
As I have said before You all can can put a tower
on my land if you provide me with an Internet feed.
You have to read the notes to know that
both Rob and Linus have done there job
completely and correctly as any good
programmer should. Both have automated
there work. Both have reached the the goal
of any sys admin! Now its time to for nethack.
But first you need to learn to feed'em.
Remember the First Biosphere project failed. Due to simple lack of understanding of the chemistry of a biosphere. You can not send people to mars or space until this basic research is perfected.
MS, bought a unix kernel from Carnegie Mellon.
But just never got it to work quite right.
The telecom execs claim they need lots of cash to build an infrastructure
The telecoms want to replace Microsoft, Google, Yahoo and You. And will when they extract usage tariffs on the order of long distance charges. What will be left is a broadcast Media not unlike TV. We will not be online but rather we will watch the people the telecoms pick to entertain us.
Scott Cleland chairman of NetCompetition.org, said
" Second, net neutrality would be a 180 degree reversal of the government's highly successful policy to promote competition and not regulate the Internet.".
That's and out right lie. The telecoms will have the power shut out all of what the Internet should be, by simply controlling cost. There brodcast offerings can be cashed at there POP sight and not even need an Internet. At that point the new printing press will be effetely be dead. And an real Internet usage will be added to your long distance bill. Scott confuses broadband with extreme offering TV over your phone lines. With the sort of relativity low bandwidth usage we get from Google and Slashdot.
And the whole program will start all over from the beggining.
Until the day some program descovers an open source Matrix,
steping outside the loop. To watch is all reset.
Actuly /. is linking to a blog with the same /. If you read the blog,
linking stile as
Andy Kessler)'s blog,
He links to his full article.
lets see 21 people 25 million a year.
I can live on that.
Why Be greedy?
Net2phone patented the Internet cant find the /. any more.
Direct Tv and Comcast transmits there own digital formats. You can't store them on your hard drive and play them back until you go to analogue and recompress them.
The list goes on. PS. this is sarcasms.
The last mile should be a wifi(max/whatever) openband grid of users.
Each house in your area is a router.
We would not need that last mile ISP, if we all used each other
to get to the BackBone level providers. It would be best to
deal directly with free enterprise, at the backbone level, then
to deal with right-of-way-owners/monopolies/socialism.
The next WoW expansion should be Ghost
:)
A one way ticket into space.
BTW last week I called it "The Universe of StarCraft"
Galaxy is ok, But why limit your self
Reverse osmosis is much cheaper then then boiling water.
Server s-ISP {Backbone} y-IPS User
You pay your IPS to connect.
your ISP in turn pays for a connection to the backbone.
In turn the server pays for its' ISP connection and in turn
that ISP payees to connects the backbone.
The many corporations that connect traffic across
the backbone do so in a similarly manner.
each paying to get data move from point to point.
In the end all costs are passed back to the ISP's and in
turn to the Users and Servers.
The system works. But when One ISP owns the servers Its own
backbone a driving force to shutout competitors start to come in to play.
This is why we need legislation to make the monopolies play fair.
When your server wants to start streaming data-rich video The ISP
will charge them for the bandwidth being used.
In turn when your ISP sees that 100s of its customers are
watching the same CNN stream it will cashe it and save
on its upstream costs.
The Internet can work without double billing and monopolistic cheating.
As soon as we start double billing the servers the servers will go away.
and all that is left will be the ISP's services.
The Internet has changed the world.
We no longer have to pay per minute long distance fees for data.
The phone company dose not like this. And wants it all back.
When there is only one thing to connect to the Internet will be
like TV all you get is what is given to you. Is that progress?
Yes the Government can make a mess of things. Seemes thats what we are getting.
1)bandwidth is already plentiful; we're talking about hypothetical harms here.
This is simply false. It has all ready happened that ISP are artificially dialling back on competitors. This makes consumers switch to the monopolies services. Yes there are not enough telecoms two is not enough.
2)companies already pay for ISP's and webhosting; tiered service is not anything new. Anyway, webhosting costs have been decreasing in price. I find it highly unlikely that this downward trend won't continue across the board.
So you are going to take away the little competition that exists today.
3)The thing I find strange is that if anything, tiered pricing, by passing on costs to distributors, could ultimately benefit consumers by lowering subscription costs.
I think you missed the point. We are talking about a distributor paying for all the wires that his data crosses. You are actual talking about changing the Internet into a Long distance service plan payed for by distributor. And anything that the distributor pays for is in the end passed on to us to pay for.
Do you think in time this will lead us to anything other then a single winner that will own the Internet. Look at what happened to the old phone system. Why do you think people are at this time not paying for long distance. Do you really think the difference in cost is not simply going into someones pocket?
4)So what if SBC decides to implement a tiered system of bandwidth! Consumers just stop renewing their contracts if they hate it enough. That's much better than making courts and legislators do a lot of hairsplitting about what legislative intent was/should be.
So I read this as, we should simply turn off the Internet. We don't need it we have can make long distance phone calls and get all the data we need.
5)I worry less about tiered service than I do about ISPs blocking p2p traffic. Then again, I see no need to enact legislation merely to keep certain ports open.
Its not p2p It's c2c.
Net2phone seems to own the p2p traffic. The Government seems to have a pickle to fix.
Oh, didn't you that all network traffic is p2p. Let me put that another way. To talk p2p one of the 'p's is the server and the other is the client. p2p is just a new way to define the old way the Internet works. It should be called Consumer 2 Consumer. Where net2phone owns your wallet. Yet another mess the government has made for us.
How do you think you find URL in the first place.
Net2phone, just wants to be the only provider in the Internet for DNS and search info for your phone. This is not how capitalism works.
6)as an independent content producer (and soon a distributor), I want the Net environment to be as unregulated as possible (even from laws that purport to ensure access). If some ISPs are going to charge for tiered service, either they better offer substantial benefits to customers or people will abandon them in droves.
This will not work. The right-of-way to provide ISP connections drives minimal competition. This will simply lead us back to the AT&T slash MaBell problems.
7)what concerns me more is restrictive Terms of Service and EULAs. If ISPs offer twice the bandwidth for half the cost, that is great. But if the saving comes with all sorts of extra provisions on TOS, then the battle has been lost.
You missed the point. With one ISP you get all the bad stu
http://www.starghost.com/
I think there was some distraction.
Now much going on any more.
It will be called the "Universe of Starcraft"
Yes I just made it up.
There will be factions and races.
Each Guild will get a big space ship.
Build stuff while the rest of the players
attack and defend there Guild ships.
Wait for it.
Just install your own CSS. Forefox I did just that in Firefox. Read my journal for the details.
Now proving I did this... is a problem.
so, its DNS and IM.
The Patent Office needs higher payed contractors.