Weeel, I'll give you half a point for that, though that presupposes that they chose it because they really love it, not because that is what was available, or cheapest:)
I'd say that most people don't choose, but that is because they don't know (as you say) about OS. They don't know that there is something called an OS, they think windows is something that is in all computers.
And yes, Linux is too confusing and difficult - most people want to start the car and go, they don't want to be forced to be able to take the car apart and put it back together again, which seems to be pretty much the case with Linux (just you try asking for help;)
The answer for you, and those who believe like you, is to simply not use Adobe products any longer.
No. That's like saying "Don't like slavery? Don't keep slaves!" - It needs to be fought since its basically amoral.
Product activation is here because people have consistently decided they would rather not pay for software and wanted to use it anyway. This is the reward for that position.
This is a postulate that has never been proven. I have paid for good software, even though the curreny copyright laws allow them to earn more than is fair.
Can it be cracked? Sure, today. If the piracy continues, you can bet there will be something stronger in place in a few years. How about something keyed to your fingerprint? How about "web services" where you don't get the application, just access to it? Don't like that, huh?
I'm sure the amorals will come up with even more amoral crap. We can only hope people will wise up and vote in politicans who can curtail this crap.
Let me assure you that is the road the pirates, warez d00ds and others have put us on.
Well, since i don't believe you, you can't assure me of that.
No matter how much the "technical" people whine about impact on customers and how it is all usesless anyway, product activation is here to stay. Subscriptions are coming.
Don't bet on it - contrary to popular belief, sometimes the good guy scan win even in real life.
Don't like it? You have a choice. Refuse to work with "activated" software (seriously career limiting), find a niche where you can use only free software, or get your friends to stop using "free" copies of what should be paid for.
You overlook the other options: Actively boycot amoral firms. Support politicians who can make new law to make this kind of behaviour illegal.
Well, here we are again with 0-day cracks and software purchased with stolen credit cards online. Financial consultants are telling software companies they have to DO SOMETHING about this RIGHT NOW or they are going down the tubes.
Yeah yeah the amoral whiners, eventually they'll hire somebody with a clue.
Do you think the people who sell multi-thousand dollar ads using Photoshop give a crap about the $900 sticker price?
Probably not, since they are also amoral people trying to milk the moral copyright system. However if they paid a fair price, they could reduce the price of those multi million dollar adds to a more decent price.
the gimp sucks so bad... and the name, luck so much on linux, sounds totally stupid. Its kids developing for kids (at least "film gimp" changed name to "CinePaint" and suddenly got commercial donations because it didn't sound like something kids play with)
It probably works quite well. Its the amoralty of tying you, like a slave, to this monolith for ever. It really drives how you haven't bought any property for yourself, you have rented your soul to the greed bastards.
...and product activation is amoral. Some people will undoubtedly feel justified downloading a cracked version instead- because if they think activation prevents that, they are very stupid.
No, it does not run non-standard MSIE-only JavaScript. That's their choice, to support web standards over arbitrary monopolies.
I don't know why you bother to write "their choice" - their choice is irrelevant for my choice. My choice is a browser i can use that doesn't break on a lot of pages because some zealous programmer refuses to support something out of indignated righteous.
I don't even know what you mean by a bloatware installer.
A bloatware installer is an installer that adds a lot of files which are related to the installer and not the program actually being installed. Such as Microsofts installer or Installshield, if you monitor what they are doing you'll see that they add a lot of stuff to windows and other places, presumably information about has been installed and how to remove it, but its taking up waay to much space. Something like Nullsofts NSIS intaller is a small and tight install machine. Most programmes installed by Microsofts installer doesn't get "real" shortcuts either, but special shortcuts which call the installer core first before redircting to the application.
But Mozilla still uses an improved version of the same one it always has, which leaves exactly zero "junk files which are only used by the installer" as far as I have ever seen.
Last time i tried it didn't. It left a couple of megabytes of junk on the c drive.
It puts them in your user profile directory for a reason
The reason being they don't care much about users. since it also runs on, gasp, OS's other than older versions of Windows, it needs to be multi-user friendly.
Excuses.
Something like FileZilla has the right approach, the first time you run it, it asks you how you want your configs store, and gives you choice, registry/config file etc. Why is this bad exactly
Its bad by definition when a program installs its stuff where the programmer things its a cool idea and now where the users want it. At least when i select something to use, which is why i asked the original question. Now i'd prefer of others try and be a big broadminded instead of borishly naming anyone who doesn't agree with them trolls.
Oh and don't mod people down - its a waste of good moderator points, take the 10 minuttes to find good posts and mod them up instead of speanding 30 seconds modding someone down. That makes Slashdot more worthwhile all around.
At least with 0.6 (in Windows), it doesn't have an installer. You unzip it to the folder you want (any folder), then you click on the MozillaFirebird.exe and it opens. No bloatware or any junk. =)
Really? That's funny, i could have sworn last time i tried, it did use such an installer (like Microsofts installer or installshield)
It shouldn't be COPA, it should be Iaipwcrmcpaticpboisiwnstidl (I'm an incompetent parent who can't raise my child properly and that i can put blinders on it so it will never see things i don't like) - harder to pronounce though...
Does it MSIE javascript without breaking? Do they use a nonbloatware installer which only installs the application and not a load of other junk files which are only used by the installer? Have the made it so one can choose to have the config files in the install directory and not be forced to have them stuffed in the windows directory?
The law is very specific about what types of infringement are considered theft
It doesn't consider any copyright infringement as theft, but it does consider some copyright infringement as illegal. Illegal is not the same as theft.
No, the solution here is to allow screeners, but to digitally mark each one of them such that they can be identified (not just on the markable/scratchable skin of the DVD). That way, when one is 'discovered' in the used market, the person who released it can be fined or removed from getting any others.
Actually the solution is probably to do nothing, and to realise if they make quality people will support them and if the make their commercial junk people wont.
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Weeel, I'll give you half a point for that, though that presupposes that they chose it because they really love it, not because that is what was available, or cheapest :)
Thanks :)
I'd say that most people don't choose, but that is because they don't know (as you say) about OS. They don't know that there is something called an OS, they think windows is something that is in all computers.
;)
And yes, Linux is too confusing and difficult - most people want to start the car and go, they don't want to be forced to be able to take the car apart and put it back together again, which seems to be pretty much the case with Linux (just you try asking for help
The answer for you, and those who believe like you, is to simply not use Adobe products any longer.
No. That's like saying "Don't like slavery? Don't keep slaves!" - It needs to be fought since its basically amoral.
Product activation is here because people have consistently decided they would rather not pay for software and wanted to use it anyway. This is the reward for that position.
This is a postulate that has never been proven. I have paid for good software, even though the curreny copyright laws allow them to earn more than is fair.
Can it be cracked? Sure, today. If the piracy continues, you can bet there will be something stronger in place in a few years. How about something keyed to your fingerprint? How about "web services" where you don't get the application, just access to it? Don't like that, huh?
I'm sure the amorals will come up with even more amoral crap. We can only hope people will wise up and vote in politicans who can curtail this crap.
Let me assure you that is the road the pirates, warez d00ds and others have put us on.
Well, since i don't believe you, you can't assure me of that.
No matter how much the "technical" people whine about impact on customers and how it is all usesless anyway, product activation is here to stay. Subscriptions are coming.
Don't bet on it - contrary to popular belief, sometimes the good guy scan win even in real life.
Don't like it? You have a choice. Refuse to work with "activated" software (seriously career limiting), find a niche where you can use only free software, or get your friends to stop using "free" copies of what should be paid for.
You overlook the other options: Actively boycot amoral firms. Support politicians who can make new law to make this kind of behaviour illegal.
Well, here we are again with 0-day cracks and software purchased with stolen credit cards online. Financial consultants are telling software companies they have to DO SOMETHING about this RIGHT NOW or they are going down the tubes.
Yeah yeah the amoral whiners, eventually they'll hire somebody with a clue.
>It is free.
Do you think the people who sell multi-thousand dollar ads using Photoshop give a crap about the $900 sticker price?
Probably not, since they are also amoral people trying to milk the moral copyright system. However if they paid a fair price, they could reduce the price of those multi million dollar adds to a more decent price.
We're up to version 7, pal. All major bugs are fixed. All minor bugs are fixed. We're in the "continuous improvement" phase now.
Not the least of which is a new mechanism that means you'll be a slave to Adobe for as long as they stay in business. How cool.
Though now you are likely to face a ton of people deriding your opinion.
the gimp sucks so bad... and the name, luck so much on linux, sounds totally stupid. Its kids developing for kids (at least "film gimp" changed name to "CinePaint" and suddenly got commercial donations because it didn't sound like something kids play with)
Its still amoral.
...get cracked programs...
It probably works quite well. Its the amoralty of tying you, like a slave, to this monolith for ever. It really drives how you haven't bought any property for yourself, you have rented your soul to the greed bastards.
...and product activation is amoral. Some people will undoubtedly feel justified downloading a cracked version instead- because if they think activation prevents that, they are very stupid.
..not when the engineer choose it for them.
Different from what we are accustomed to is bad - we don't wanna to be able to take the car apart, just be able to start it.
"5.44 Gbps" how much is that in megabytes pr second?
Perhaps that is what i misremember :)
No, it does not run non-standard MSIE-only JavaScript. That's their choice, to support web standards over arbitrary monopolies.
I don't know why you bother to write "their choice" - their choice is irrelevant for my choice. My choice is a browser i can use that doesn't break on a lot of pages because some zealous programmer refuses to support something out of indignated righteous.
I don't even know what you mean by a bloatware installer.
A bloatware installer is an installer that adds a lot of files which are related to the installer and not the program actually being installed. Such as Microsofts installer or Installshield, if you monitor what they are doing you'll see that they add a lot of stuff to windows and other places, presumably information about has been installed and how to remove it, but its taking up waay to much space. Something like Nullsofts NSIS intaller is a small and tight install machine. Most programmes installed by Microsofts installer doesn't get "real" shortcuts either, but special shortcuts which call the installer core first before redircting to the application.
But Mozilla still uses an improved version of the same one it always has, which leaves exactly zero "junk files which are only used by the installer" as far as I have ever seen.
Last time i tried it didn't. It left a couple of megabytes of junk on the c drive.
It puts them in your user profile directory for a reason
The reason being they don't care much about users.
since it also runs on, gasp, OS's other than older versions of Windows, it needs to be multi-user friendly.
Excuses.
Something like FileZilla has the right approach, the first time you run it, it asks you how you want your configs store, and gives you choice, registry/config file etc.
Why is this bad exactly
Its bad by definition when a program installs its stuff where the programmer things its a cool idea and now where the users want it. At least when i select something to use, which is why i asked the original question. Now i'd prefer of others try and be a big broadminded instead of borishly naming anyone who doesn't agree with them trolls.
Oh and don't mod people down - its a waste of good moderator points, take the 10 minuttes to find good posts and mod them up instead of speanding 30 seconds modding someone down. That makes Slashdot more worthwhile all around.
At least with 0.6 (in Windows), it doesn't have an installer. You unzip it to the folder you want (any folder), then you click on the MozillaFirebird.exe and it opens. No bloatware or any junk. =)
Really? That's funny, i could have sworn last time i tried, it did use such an installer (like Microsofts installer or installshield)
It shouldn't be COPA, it should be Iaipwcrmcpaticpboisiwnstidl (I'm an incompetent parent who can't raise my child properly and that i can put blinders on it so it will never see things i don't like) - harder to pronounce though...
Does it MSIE javascript without breaking? Do they use a nonbloatware installer which only installs the application and not a load of other junk files which are only used by the installer? Have the made it so one can choose to have the config files in the install directory and not be forced to have them stuffed in the windows directory?
The law is very specific about what types of infringement are considered theft
It doesn't consider any copyright infringement as theft, but it does consider some copyright infringement as illegal. Illegal is not the same as theft.
No, the solution here is to allow screeners, but to digitally mark each one of them such that they can be identified (not just on the markable/scratchable skin of the DVD). That way, when one is 'discovered' in the used market, the person who released it can be fined or removed from getting any others.
Actually the solution is probably to do nothing, and to realise if they make quality people will support them and if the make their commercial junk people wont.
Do you want Hollywood to crumble?
Yep.
Realism and Unreal Tournament - those are words you rarely hear in the same sentence!
In related news Robert Altman, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Redford have urged the members of Academy of Arts and Sciences to download the new movies from Kazaa so that they might be better equipped to pick the nominees for the Award show next year.