Can't they just check the IP numbers like Lycos?
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Look at the USAToday site, it's "powered" by a lycos search engine, (wee) - but lycos only allows americans to search the site, if you have an IP number from "outside" they redirect you somewhere else. ie. only if you live in the US can you search the site... (try writing support about that - the trained monkeys are not very helpfull)
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Re:About Quake3's serial numbers....
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The point is to prevent casual copying during the primary selling period of the game... the first six months.
As i said, and you neglected to reflect upon, what is the point when people can download a patch a few days after a game has been released that removes the CD check. There is none. Except to harass the buyer.
It makes perfect sense.
None what so ever.
Nobody is going to be making a keygen for that,
If all games go that way, in the end someone will...
the only way you can get a valid key is by stealing it from someone else.
Which makes it even more strange that who ever designed that...unplesant Q3 interface, decided to just display the key in plaintext - supremely stupid.
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We certainly will drop the CD-in-the-drive-for-single-player check in a future patch, that is our standard procedure after a game's primary sales are over. Commendable - but what's the point of it in the first place? People are likely to get a fix to remove it 10 seconds after they have installed the game?
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However, Quake-3 uses a central server-based authentication system based on the CD key you have to type in when you install the game. When you try to play on the net, it sends your key to your-papers-please.idsoftware.com (note: may not be actual server name), which then grants you permission to use your property. id's system is foolproof and unhackable, since they alone maintain the database of valid keys.
Except that since the jerks just display the key in the program, anyone can nick it if they manage to be alone with your computer for half a minutte. Id does't care, its on their list of things "we don't care to fix" (like for instance you can see the same game on both IPX and TCP/IP on a LAN, meaning you get a shadow game - a problem since Quake1, and in all engine license games since then)
What lowtax is doing is playing to his audience, trying to show everyone how witty and clever he is, by his own admission he has moaned about Ion over the years, this appears to be just more of the same.
>>The industry stole from us, and then complains about us stealing from them. >>They're being just as hypocritical. >And as we all know, if someone steals from you, you are morally correct >to steal from them. They way to show they are hypocritical is to not >make their mistakes while showing others what they are doing.
No - what he does is irrelevant to what THEY are. If we say they have in effect stolen from the public by charging exorbitant prices, and have claimed they did not do so, then they ARE hypocrites - regardless of what he is doing.
>You invalidate your own arguement in the same breath you invalidate theirs.
He does no such thing - he was responding to your fallacy that people who use Napster are greedy hypocrites. He points out that IF the public are stealing from the industry and pretending that stealing is generally wrong , then they are on par with the industry who is stealing from the public and pretending that stealing is wrong. i.e., saying "You are as much a hypocrite as I am" does not invalidate the claim by being said by a hypocrite in the first place.
>> BTW, who are you? >Diamond Dave Taylor. Currently of Transmeta, >Formerly ID [Doom era] and Crack.com [Abuse]. > >When you did the map cheat in doom, and typed >IDDT, it stood for iD Dave Taylor.
Must be a very amateurish place. When we've done dealings 'over there' they could validate the information at their end. If these guys can't then it seems to me they are not very professional, no?
Hm..they say "135 feet long and 22 ft high" of which i have no idea what is, then goes on to add "could have weighed up to 150 tons." Didn't they just change measuring system there? Shouldn't they measure it in pounds or something *G*
I mean the last one didn't have much to do with the show, it was just an excuse for Cruise to strut around (or dare one say cruise around) - is this one more true to the show?
When you get your account, you sign an agreement saying that you give the university the right to your data, especially if they're getting sued over it. Yeah, but you sign that under duress, so its probably not valid, eh?
They May issue of PCPlus has the Borland C++ Builder on the disk in a full version, but the license "agreement" says BORLAND C++ BUILDER This software can only be installed onto a PC once. It is NOT shareware. Applications developed using the software may not be deployed. The software is for personal use only by software developers and may not be used for development or teaching in a commercial or educational establishment. Programs and applications that have been constructed with the software may not be distributed. The software is provided only with the aim of allowing the user to learn the use of this software. For distribution rights of owner generated applications, the owner will have to purchase a copy of additional software or a package designed for this purpose.
Ooh, thanks a lot - good thing i hated the interface and removed the program right away - no difficult moral dilemmas!
The article states Although he believes the blast would have had little environmental impact on Earth, its crater may have ruined the face of the 'man in the moon'.
Aha! That was the real purpose! They found out what's up there and in a panic reaction tried to conceal it! Of course soon enough they realized that its easier to spread rumours in the press and get directors to make silly movies - everybody will just think mars a boring old red planet
I partly agree with them, but the forget that as atheists, they do exactly the same. There is always one thing they can rely on, and that's the fact that God doesn't exist, so there has to be a theorem that explains our existence. This shows that nobody is completely objective. It also shows you exhibiting a what appears to be a common prejudice in christians; they seem to think that either you are a christian or you are an atheist - a big fallacy. There is a large group, larger in some countries that others, who simply says "in the absence of credible proof of a god, we will assume there isn't such a creature untill such time the situation should change" ie, there is a closeminded group who thinks "there must be a god" and a closeminded group who think "there can't be a god" and the big group in the middle who thinks "we'll see what develops"
The new TLDs and the.eu TLD will simply cause more chaos. They will not solve anything. Do you really think that the IBMs, Microsofts and Apples of this world will not simply register their name in every existing TLD? They can and will.
They can, and they will, and they are expected to... What solve is it you are looking for? The solve they intend, and will probably achieve is for the dumb end user who can't figure out what to type at the end of a name, the hope was it would become easier for him, since all he has to remember is that he lieves in the EU and that his internet address ends with EU - simple for him...if they register their names.
Radio stations pay royalties every time they play music on the air.
Indeed, their pound of flesh to the greedy industry, so that's possibly where it should be heading for mp3.com - they should pay a royalty - a very small one though, since they are only performing for one. The *copies* mp3.com made may be legal. Copies? Define copies? I have one CD, i still have one CD - they have made a temporary medium conversions necessary for transmission of the song to a rightfull customer. Is a radio wave a copy too? When the signal has been sent it just keeps propagating outward - if someone was on the moon they could pick it up, or on mars. Indeed if you had a spaceship and was crusing the leading edge of the soundwave you could hear the song over and over - is this a copy? (do you consider it covered in the royalty, eh?)
mp3.com does not have the right to distribute the music. Period. Copy it all they want.. they can't *PROFIT* from that copying. That is your contention - any dictionary definition of "distribute" i can find does not support that conclusion - they are NOT distributing, because they are only delivering it to one person - the owner. The fact that a song may be owned by several different customers is what confuse some people, but that doesn't make it distributing. AND - they are not profiting from what you call copying - they are profiting from delivering.
mp3.com has *no* agreements with the industry. Perhaps the radio analogy is not apt then. After all the are only delivering it to one legal customer. I wonder, if i were to phone home and ask someone at home to put the CD on and play it into the phone, if that would be fineable - and if it ISN't - what if mp3.com puts up large CD servers and instead of mp3, and streams them the right owners of the Cd's ? Of course the sound might suffer, but then innovation is not the keyword of society today, eh?
Claiming fair-use on their part? Are they stupid or what
The description of the service in question is The my.mp3.com service features software that lets computer users with an original copy of one of the recordings in the database to register that CD. It then allows the user to listen to that album over the Internet from any computer, without having to insert the original disc Assuming they could live up to that, why is that bad? What MP3 should have claimed, was that this is a new kind of radio. In radio a song is replayed for millions that may or may not have bought the song, here it's performed for one person who has.
One point of contention was that they have copied without permission, to me this raises the question of radio again - it is possible that every single radio station in the US always broadcasts LIVE - but they sure as hell don't do that around the world, many many shows are taped in advanced - would this judge also consider THAT to be a copyright violation? A DJ tapes a program and everything single song within has been copyright violated (well an american one might) But presumably noone would be that stupid - same thing here, it is a.. temporary broadcast related media transfer - wake up and smell the future dear judge
Carmack really feels that way about shrink-wrap licenses? That sure explains a lot.
I can't remember what story it was, i think it was about Quake sending videocard information back to ID, he made the comment - i remember it was there because i commented his comment (I and 500 others *G*) I didn't save a local copy though, didn't think it was that earth shattering, pity slashdot doesn't store stuff forever.
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I can't believe it's a not a frequently asked question.....Why the heck did they choose that odd name!? (And what does it mean? :)
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...so how hard can it be :)
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Look at the USAToday site, it's "powered" by a lycos search engine, (wee) - but lycos only allows americans to search the site, if you have an IP number from "outside" they redirect you somewhere else. ie. only if you live in the US can you search the site... (try writing support about that - the trained monkeys are not very helpfull)
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The point is to prevent casual copying during the primary selling period of the game... the first six months.
As i said, and you neglected to reflect upon, what is the point when people can download a patch a few days after a game has been released that removes the CD check. There is none. Except to harass the buyer.
It makes perfect sense.
None what so ever.
Nobody is going to be making a keygen for that,
If all games go that way, in the end someone will...
the only way you can get a valid key is by stealing it from someone else.
Which makes it even more strange that who ever designed that...unplesant Q3 interface, decided to just display the key in plaintext - supremely stupid.
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We certainly will drop the CD-in-the-drive-for-single-player check in a future patch, that is our standard procedure after a game's primary sales are over.
Commendable - but what's the point of it in the first place? People are likely to get a fix to remove it 10 seconds after they have installed the game?
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However, Quake-3 uses a central server-based authentication system based on the CD key you have to type in when you install the game. When you try to play on the net, it sends your key to your-papers-please.idsoftware.com (note: may not be actual server name), which then grants you permission to use your property. id's system is foolproof and unhackable, since they alone maintain the database of valid keys.
Except that since the jerks just display the key in the program, anyone can nick it if they manage to be alone with your computer for half a minutte. Id does't care, its on their list of things "we don't care to fix" (like for instance you can see the same game on both IPX and TCP/IP on a LAN, meaning you get a shadow game - a problem since Quake1, and in all engine license games since then)
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What lowtax is doing is playing to his audience, trying to show everyone how witty and clever he is, by his own admission he has moaned about Ion over the years, this appears to be just more of the same.
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Just curious...
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>>They're being just as hypocritical.
>And as we all know, if someone steals from you, you are morally correct
>to steal from them. They way to show they are hypocritical is to not
>make their mistakes while showing others what they are doing.
No - what he does is irrelevant to what THEY are. If we say they have in effect stolen from the public by charging exorbitant prices, and have claimed they did not do so, then they ARE hypocrites - regardless of what he is doing.
>You invalidate your own arguement in the same breath you invalidate theirs.He does no such thing - he was responding to your fallacy that people who use Napster are greedy hypocrites. He points out that IF the public are stealing from the industry and pretending that stealing is generally wrong , then they are on par with the industry who is stealing from the public and pretending that stealing is wrong.
i.e., saying "You are as much a hypocrite as I am" does not invalidate the claim by being said by a hypocrite in the first place.
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>> BTW, who are you?
>Diamond Dave Taylor. Currently of Transmeta,
>Formerly ID [Doom era] and Crack.com [Abuse].
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>When you did the map cheat in doom, and typed
>IDDT, it stood for iD Dave Taylor.
Aha! He's a cheater, eh?
*G*
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Must be a very amateurish place. When we've done dealings 'over there' they could validate the information at their end. If these guys can't then it seems to me they are not very professional, no?
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Read what he writes will you, its a REMAKE of Doom.
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Hm..they say "135 feet long and 22 ft high" of which i have no idea what is, then goes on to add "could have weighed up to 150 tons." Didn't they just change measuring system there? Shouldn't they measure it in pounds or something *G*
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I mean the last one didn't have much to do with the show, it was just an excuse for Cruise to strut around (or dare one say cruise around) - is this one more true to the show?
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Unix and C are going to long outlive any OS from Microsoft. :)
and play second fiddle to what ever replaces it
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What happened to all the geeks that would give their left nut in a heartbeat for a ticket on a Moon-bound rocket to build a colony?
They grew up?
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When you get your account, you sign an agreement saying that you give the university the right to your data, especially if they're getting sued over it.
Yeah, but you sign that under duress, so its probably not valid, eh?
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They May issue of PCPlus has the Borland C++ Builder on the disk in a full version, but the license "agreement" says BORLAND C++ BUILDER This software can only be installed onto a PC once. It is NOT shareware. Applications developed using the software may not be deployed. The software is for personal use only by software developers and may not be used for development or teaching in a commercial or educational establishment. Programs and applications that have been constructed with the software may not be distributed. The software is provided only with the aim of allowing the user to learn the use of this software. For distribution rights of owner generated applications, the owner will have to purchase a copy of additional software or a package designed for this purpose.
Ooh, thanks a lot - good thing i hated the interface and removed the program right away - no difficult moral dilemmas!
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The article states Although he believes the blast would have had little environmental impact on Earth, its crater may have ruined the face of the 'man in the moon'.
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Aha! That was the real purpose! They found out what's up there and in a panic reaction tried to conceal it!
Of course soon enough they realized that its easier to spread rumours in the press and get directors to make silly movies - everybody will just think mars a boring old red planet
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I partly agree with them, but the forget that as atheists, they do exactly the same. There is always one thing they can rely on, and that's the fact that God doesn't exist, so there has to be a theorem that explains our existence. This shows that nobody is completely objective.
It also shows you exhibiting a what appears to be a common prejudice in christians; they seem to think that either you are a christian or you are an atheist - a big fallacy. There is a large group, larger in some countries that others, who simply says "in the absence of credible proof of a god, we will assume there isn't such a creature untill such time the situation should change" ie, there is a closeminded group who thinks "there must be a god" and a closeminded group who think "there can't be a god" and the big group in the middle who thinks "we'll see what develops"
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The new TLDs and the .eu TLD will simply cause more chaos. They will not solve anything. Do you really think that the IBMs, Microsofts and Apples of this world will not simply register their name in every existing TLD? They can and will.
They can, and they will, and they are expected to... What solve is it you are looking for? The solve they intend, and will probably achieve is for the dumb end user who can't figure out what to type at the end of a name, the hope was it would become easier for him, since all he has to remember is that he lieves in the EU and that his internet address ends with EU - simple for him...if they register their names.
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Radio stations pay royalties every time they play music on the air.
Indeed, their pound of flesh to the greedy industry, so that's possibly where it should be heading for mp3.com - they should pay a royalty - a very small one though, since they are only performing for one.
The *copies* mp3.com made may be legal.
Copies? Define copies? I have one CD, i still have one CD - they have made a temporary medium conversions necessary for transmission of the song to a rightfull customer.
Is a radio wave a copy too? When the signal has been sent it just keeps propagating outward - if someone was on the moon they could pick it up, or on mars. Indeed if you had a spaceship and was crusing the leading edge of the soundwave you could hear the song over and over - is this a copy? (do you consider it covered in the royalty, eh?)
mp3.com does not have the right to distribute the music. Period. Copy it all they want.. they can't *PROFIT* from that copying.
That is your contention - any dictionary definition of "distribute" i can find does not support that conclusion - they are NOT distributing, because they are only delivering it to one person - the owner. The fact that a song may be owned by several different customers is what confuse some people, but that doesn't make it distributing. AND - they are not profiting from what you call copying - they are profiting from delivering.
mp3.com has *no* agreements with the industry.
Perhaps the radio analogy is not apt then. After all the are only delivering it to one legal customer.
I wonder, if i were to phone home and ask someone at home to put the CD on and play it into the phone, if that would be fineable - and if it ISN't - what if mp3.com puts up large CD servers and instead of mp3, and streams them the right owners of the Cd's ? Of course the sound might suffer, but then innovation is not the keyword of society today, eh?
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Claiming fair-use on their part? Are they stupid or what
.. temporary broadcast related media transfer - wake up and smell the future dear judge
The description of the service in question is The my.mp3.com service features software that lets computer users with an original copy of one of the recordings in the database to register that CD. It then allows the user to listen to that album over the Internet from any computer, without having to insert the original disc
Assuming they could live up to that, why is that bad? What MP3 should have claimed, was that this is a new kind of radio.
In radio a song is replayed for millions that may or may not have bought the song, here it's performed for one person who has.
One point of contention was that they have copied without permission, to me this raises the question of radio again - it is possible that every single radio station in the US always broadcasts LIVE - but they sure as hell don't do that around the world, many many shows are taped in advanced - would this judge also consider THAT to be a copyright violation? A DJ tapes a program and everything single song within has been copyright violated (well an american one might) But presumably noone would be that stupid - same thing here, it is a
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Carmack really feels that way about shrink-wrap licenses? That sure explains a lot.
I can't remember what story it was, i think it was about Quake sending videocard information back to ID, he made the comment - i remember it was there because i commented his comment (I and 500 others *G*)
I didn't save a local copy though, didn't think it was that earth shattering, pity slashdot doesn't store stuff forever.
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Now this IS a troll, by any and all means.
No, it's a humorous remark.
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