The notion here where i am, Europe, is that all these "You just agree to these terms before installing" or whatever, are not in themselves LEGAL. ie, they can put all kinds of crap in there, it doesn't absolve them from the real law, nor does it put any additional burdens on you the clickee. But who is reading this? Even in the US? Is it 1% of people who actually read those acres of mumbo jumbo. (Even Carmack in a post on slashdot indicated his belief that nobody really read that stuff). Can a company in good conscience claim they have a "deal" with their customers when said customers don't read it because they believe it is their property since they have payed money for it. Some people then say, that you don't buy the program, you "license" it - that i also think is slightly suspect. Hell no, i don't license it - I BUY A COPY. Its mine - go away! Hmm..i wonder if it would work with other products You don't buy a car, you license it.. and agree never to run a red light, speed or look at girls while in the car! (You break the rules they come and take it back) Or the license agreement for this DVD says you must behave properly infront of the TV while you watch it, so no fondling the wife!
Hmmm, i wonder if there is a future in being a "i agree" clicker. Ie, Person A has shelled out hard earned cash for a new program, he then calls person B. Person B comes over, installs the program and click on the "I agree" button and leaves again. Person A now runs the program without having agreed to anything, eh? *G*
Starting on the Amiga you never got much in touch with zip, it was considered a bad format. There it was mostly LHZ, and LHA formats, which seemed much better. Not the least of which was the data recovery: If you loose ONE byte in a zip file it seems that the zip archive is just corrupted, where as LHA would extract the other files which weren't damaged.
It's been said for the last 3 years that digital cameras are replacing "film" cameras. I don't think that's happening.
Oh no, we can't let it happen yet - think about all the precious resources that go into the making of celluloid! Must waste them all first before we change *G*
Everyone is saying something to the effect of "Hey, these guys are making TONS of money!" "I'd buy CDs if they weren't so overpriced!" The first quote implies that because the artist made a lot of money, that gives the person the right to steal copyrighted material. Please...That's self interest bullshit. To copyright your material is also "self interest bullshit". The second quote is amazingly stupid. Morelikely you are: If people can't afford to buy CD's they CAN't - just because you are rich doesn't mean everybody else is. Of course if not being able to buy CD's gives people the right to take it anyway is a different argument entirely. An argument some consider moral: Does an architect get payed evertime someone uses a house he has designed? Does a roadworker earn royalty when someone drives on a road he has buildt. etc
Miss that old program, loved the way you could "paint with effects", never saw that in the PC world since. Ie, choose an effect, emboss, blur, edge detect, whatever, and it would be applied where you used your brush (with whatever media you used) - only one problem...i don't wanna use Linux:)
Speak for yourself when you say "our lifetimes." Given the rapid advances in biotech and medicine, the Human Genome Project, nanotech, etc., some of us alive today may very well be living for over 100 years.
Live for 100 years more, or just above 100? I heard something interesting on the radio over here (Denmark) - they were talking statistics on the news, and claming that statistically every other girl child born last year was expected to live past the age of onehundred years. I thought that was somewhat surprising.
(yeah yeah, perhaps its off topic, so go wave your nazi baton at someone else mr moderator!)
I thought the story i submitted, about how the Spanish version of PCWorld had put the full version of Windows2000 on the CD was more amusing..but hey, it didn't take place in america:)
So maybe you will get your "free" cellphone which has coupon ads for discounted beer at the supermarket. But it isn't free. The supermarket which advertises on the cellphone, has to pay for those ads. Which they do by the money earned by the increasing number of people who went to buy the beer which was advertized?
They will all have them of course, just like like they all have adds today...except of course the small private ones, so if all you want to do is read about aunt magdas bowel movements then you are fine.
Arrrgh! This is the peculiar postulate that always gets shoved in your face all over the Internet, and it's driving me up the wall!!
OOoh, but you can't say the WORD because i just can stand that WORD and if i happen to walk by and hear you say the WORD it could damage the essence of what i am
That is the most puerile nonsense! This seems to be born out of the wishful notion that if you just make enough rules and enough restrictions you can create the perfect world - or perhaps, as seems to be the case with America sometimes, that if you can keep OUT the real world and live in your own little dreamworld you can pretend the rest is not out there!
So you don't like the word fuck? Fine! So far so good. You hear it in a TV program - if they keep repeating it, stop watching the program. You hear it somewhere you visit - if they insist, stop going there. But if you suddenly hear it where you didn't expect, you don't have a right censor the living daylights out of it, you have a right and a duty to accept that LIFE is both good and bad, and you'll get a bit of each.
You don't want your kid to hear that word and say it - then present an argument instead of hoping the child will turn out ok if only it is not exposed to things you don't like. Sure the mind of kid may not be as sophisticated as the adult potential, that doesn't mean it is stupid. If the child doesn't buy your argument then perhaps your reasoning is flawed! And, "Because I say so" has NEVER EVER been a valid argument, just the sound of a parent who has given up.
-- In a free country you can say "fuck" on primetime - i live in a free country...do you?
You know, here in Denmark they don't have filters and stuff. If i a kid wants to go into a cyber cafe and look at porn, no problem. Of course he could just as well go into the shop on the corner and buy a porn magazine if he wanted. And they usually sample one or two, but guess what? Its actually rather boring when you are young, so they end up getting computer magazine with cheat codes instead! Funny the americans haven't learned i yet; you more you make something illegal the more interesting it becomes.
I agree with SouthPark, there is something sick about a culture which prefers killing over kissing *G*
That's not damn flamebait, its a damn bug that ID hasn't bother to fix for 3 games now! Just because you, mr censor, isn't annoyed by that bug doesn't mean the rest of the planet agrees with you...
Zoid...zoid... wasn't he they guy who refused to implement FOV in GLQuake? Hm.. Oh well, i just hope they hire someone who can fix LAN problem, where if you have an IPX and TCP/IP net, a Quake game will show twice (or rather, Quake1, Quake2, Quake3, Half Life etc etc etc )
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The notion here where i am, Europe, is that all these "You just agree to these terms before installing" or whatever, are not in themselves LEGAL. ie, they can put all kinds of crap in there, it doesn't absolve them from the real law, nor does it put any additional burdens on you the clickee.
But who is reading this? Even in the US? Is it 1% of people who actually read those acres of mumbo jumbo. (Even Carmack in a post on slashdot indicated his belief that nobody really read that stuff). Can a company in good conscience claim they have a "deal" with their customers when said customers don't read it because they believe it is their property since they have payed money for it.
Some people then say, that you don't buy the program, you "license" it - that i also think is slightly suspect. Hell no, i don't license it - I BUY A COPY. Its mine - go away!
Hmm..i wonder if it would work with other products You don't buy a car, you license it.. and agree never to run a red light, speed or look at girls while in the car! (You break the rules they come and take it back)
Or the license agreement for this DVD says you must behave properly infront of the TV while you watch it, so no fondling the wife!
Hmmm, i wonder if there is a future in being a "i agree" clicker. Ie, Person A has shelled out hard earned cash for a new program, he then calls person B. Person B comes over, installs the program and click on the "I agree" button and leaves again. Person A now runs the program without having agreed to anything, eh? *G*
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I'm not saying that AOL shouldn't be censoring content.
Well, i am - its not their place to do so.
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Starting on the Amiga you never got much in touch with zip, it was considered a bad format. There it was mostly LHZ, and LHA formats, which seemed much better. Not the least of which was the data recovery: If you loose ONE byte in a zip file it seems that the zip archive is just corrupted, where as LHA would extract the other files which weren't damaged.
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It's been said for the last 3 years that digital cameras are replacing "film" cameras. I don't think that's happening.
Oh no, we can't let it happen yet - think about all the precious resources that go into the making of celluloid! Must waste them all first before we change *G*
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Everyone is saying something to the effect of "Hey, these guys are making TONS of money!" "I'd buy CDs if they weren't so overpriced!" The first quote implies that because the artist made a lot of money, that gives the person the right to steal copyrighted material. Please...That's self interest bullshit.
To copyright your material is also "self interest bullshit".
The second quote is amazingly stupid.
Morelikely you are: If people can't afford to buy CD's they CAN't - just because you are rich doesn't mean everybody else is. Of course if not being able to buy CD's gives people the right to take it anyway is a different argument entirely. An argument some consider moral: Does an architect get payed evertime someone uses a house he has designed? Does a roadworker earn royalty when someone drives on a road he has buildt. etc
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Miss that old program, loved the way you could "paint with effects", never saw that in the PC world since. Ie, choose an effect, emboss, blur, edge detect, whatever, and it would be applied where you used your brush (with whatever media you used) - only one problem...i don't wanna use Linux :)
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...any on-topic comment is really OffTopic! Wee... so what do you guys think of Dwarf throwing? It's such a noble sport, isn't it?
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Are stories only acceptable from different persons or do you have to write Taco directly?!!?
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Oh yeah, they bought some penny ante american outfit :)
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(yeah yeah, perhaps its off topic, so go wave your nazi baton at someone else mr moderator!)
Gawd even after less than a minuttes reading of that FAQ i see a truck load of rubbish, these guys need to get a grip
I thought the story i submitted, about how the Spanish version of PCWorld had put the full version of Windows2000 on the CD was more amusing..but hey, it didn't take place in america :)
You dreary critters! :)
Two days after my report was declined, someone else manage to submit it - i guess the censors just don't like me
And its one Lego, several Legoer :) I say use the S in english (and ignore the rest)
So maybe you will get your "free" cellphone which has coupon ads for discounted beer at the supermarket. But it isn't free. The supermarket which advertises on the cellphone, has to pay for those ads.
Which they do by the money earned by the increasing number of people who went to buy the beer which was advertized?
They will all have them of course, just like like they all have adds today...except of course the small private ones, so if all you want to do is read about aunt magdas bowel movements then you are fine.
Arrrgh! This is the peculiar postulate that always gets shoved in your face all over the Internet, and it's driving me up the wall!!
OOoh, but you can't say the WORD because i just can stand that WORD and if i happen to walk by and hear you say the WORD it could damage the essence of what i am
That is the most puerile nonsense! This seems to be born out of the wishful notion that if you just make enough rules and enough restrictions you can create the perfect world - or perhaps, as seems to be the case with America sometimes, that if you can keep OUT the real world and live in your own little dreamworld you can pretend the rest is not out there!
So you don't like the word fuck? Fine! So far so good.
You hear it in a TV program - if they keep repeating it, stop watching the program.
You hear it somewhere you visit - if they insist, stop going there.
But if you suddenly hear it where you didn't expect, you don't have a right censor the living daylights out of it, you have a right and a duty to accept that LIFE is both good and bad, and you'll get a bit of each.
You don't want your kid to hear that word and say it - then present an argument instead of hoping the child will turn out ok if only it is not exposed to things you don't like. Sure the mind of kid may not be as sophisticated as the adult potential, that doesn't mean it is stupid. If the child doesn't buy your argument then perhaps your reasoning is flawed!
And, "Because I say so" has NEVER EVER been a valid argument, just the sound of a parent who has given up.
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In a free country you can say "fuck" on primetime - i live in a free country...do you?
You know, here in Denmark they don't have filters and stuff. If i a kid wants to go into a cyber cafe and look at porn, no problem. Of course he could just as well go into the shop on the corner and buy a porn magazine if he wanted. And they usually sample one or two, but guess what? Its actually rather boring when you are young, so they end up getting computer magazine with cheat codes instead!
Funny the americans haven't learned i yet; you more you make something illegal the more interesting it becomes.
I agree with SouthPark, there is something sick about a culture which prefers killing over kissing *G*
Oooh, what a marvelously crafted line: "Today the partners signed sucked." Wonder that it means though :)
That's not damn flamebait, its a damn bug that ID hasn't bother to fix for 3 games now! Just because you, mr censor, isn't annoyed by that bug doesn't mean the rest of the planet agrees with you...
Oh boy... well, thanks for the your lenghty reply.
No wonder people get so upset if you happen to swear online!
-- In a free country you can say "fuck" on prime time.
I live in a free country...do you?
What is a Beowulf cluster?
Zoid...zoid... wasn't he they guy who refused to implement FOV in GLQuake? Hm..
Oh well, i just hope they hire someone who can fix LAN problem, where if you have an IPX and TCP/IP net, a Quake game will show twice (or rather, Quake1, Quake2, Quake3, Half Life etc etc etc )
What will they think of next!