You can use the iissync utility to copy the entire metabase from server to server, which makes site duplication as simple as Apache.
I doubt that. iissync is a case of going the long way home. If it's "just as easy", why the heck build all the limiting GUI stuff in the first place?
MS config utilities can not beat Unix text files, versioned in CVS and distributed via automation. At leat I have never seen anything that comes close.
You could be sure that the unconnected system was clean if the entire OS and App suit was on a CD-ROM. Boot the machiene each time you use it. No problem.
Does anyone know how many people are currently employed with SuSE?
Yes, 500. They are cutting 1/4 of there 500 person staff.
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Under Russian law, it is Adobe who is the criminal for not allowing a back up copy of there software to be made. Adobe should be licensing the software in Russia, not arresting it's creator in the US.
I was thinking this myself but I beleive the argument simply comes down to how much time you allow for such development. The earth is, say, 4 billion years old. I'm not sure how long it took for the earth to cool down anuf for life to develop but the available time is less then the age of the planet. If we were to allow for the possobility of space seeding, the amount of time allowed for life to develop can be increased.
Now that I think about it, it is strange how earth centric our theories of life our. We still speculate about the possobility of other life in the Universe, as if we were not in the Universe ourselves. Maybe an approach to evolution that asked the question, "How did life begin in the Universe?" would be better then the question: "How did life start on earth?".
I don't think that the legality of suing is really his point. The point he is trying to make is a good one, and it is something I have bumped into time and again. The scenario usualy involves some underqualified over promoted "manager" who knows that a lot of cash is about to be spent, and they want to spend it. During the requirements process it's suggested that maybe the software could just be downloaded for free. Instead of spending a half million ( yes actually 1/2 mil ) on web server software that is non-standard, slow and unstable, we could hire a couple programmers to work full time on improving the free stuff. This would get us in deep with the commnity that actually produces the software and would provide us a higher level of support then we ( actually got ) could get from some sleezy proprietary company, "I mean, did you see there presentation"?
Now the big show stopper was that they were going to be spending alot of money and needed to be able to go after a company legally if things went bad.
Well, things went bad. The software suxors and do you think they can even get the company on the phone? Actually, do you even think that this manager has even tried? Who cares, it sounds agravating and there's no money to spend.
"I truly believe that most FBI agents are honorable, if not sometimes misguided, hard working people who want to 'do the right thing' by their country. "
I think that this beliefe ignores the fact that the Universe is not smooth and uniform, but infact clumpy. If every organization attracted the same crossection of society then this statement may be true. However, the real prick bastards of the world will tend to congragate where the rules of conduct allow them to excersize there own brand of morality and justice.
The FBI would not have a person like me in it's ranks for similiar reasons that I would not have fought in Vietnam or the Gulf war (or Panama, or Somalia, etc. ). So there is at least one group of people that are not represented.
Your beliefe also does not account for racism, the privilages of wealth or other factors that contribute to the way in which people organize against one another.
To be trite, power corrupts. The FBI, Adobe and the US Government all have alot of power.
I just thought I'd comment on this because it is something that I hear alot in defense of the status quo. It is also a beliefe that I have held from time to time but alas, I do not think it is true.
This is exactly it. Kill-ustrator was not/just/ a close name designed to cause confusion in the market place, it was also a clever jab at the whole giant corporate ball of wax. It is representative of the types of clever and fun names developers give there projects and products in the OS/Free market ( GNU, WINE, MICO, et. all. ).
Unfortunatly the the law does not seem to find any humor or value worth protecting in this form of expression. OS/Free market can not protect itself in the way that the private/closed market participents can. In the U.S. at least, the system is designed to protect the private sector when it comes to issues like this. Most likely the law is as it is to protect the private sector from itself. These laws also seem to make excessivly brutal weapons against individuals as well.
Oh, well. I guess we will have to settle for a name that does not really convey the authors sentaments. But thanks any way Adobe for not suing this poor guy back into the stone age and other wise making his life a living hell.
I used IBM's VisualAge for Java on a project and really liked it. It takes a little time to get used to the way they want you to work, what with the importing of class libraries into the repository and having to export out of the respository and such. However, it is actually a very clean and organized way of managing the java class libraries and your projects. The editor is strict as far as code formatting but I was willing to hand that job over to the IDE. I liked how it would compile my code automaticly whenever I clicked save and imdiatly created an error list. It was much easier to correct stupid mistakes then and there and have cleaner code in the repository then to hunt them down a few saves later. It's just a coding philosophy but I found that it helped.
As we all know, VisualAge for Java is just a rework of IBM's SmallTalk environment and it manages to bring some of the niceties of small talk development to the Java realm. The built in code versioning is nice and the "working image" is kinda nice. It's debugger is sweet too.
I only used the freely available Linux version but there is an enterprise version. I believe the enterprise version has a network centralized class/code repository but I am not sure. It seems the product architecture was pointed that way and I always had the recuring dream of having the other developers in the dept. using VAJ and us all sharing a code repository.
In the end CVS and nedit/Visual Slick Edit/VI/notepad became the environment ( and probobly for the better, but VAJ is/really/ cool).
A lot of hostility to the orginal poster. I think what he is trying to say is not that what Microsoft is doing per say is cool, but the idea that Microsoft is persuing is cool. I think that people or being blind to the future because all they see is Microsoft obstructing our view.
He did'nt say, "lets implement Hailstorm only OSS", he said, "lets implement Hailstorm, only better". What would be better? Well, control over your info would be better, for one.
Should we be spending all this time trying to stop Microsoft? I don't think so. We should treat MS like any thing else, a source of inspiration. Take what is good and leave the rest. I have heard it said that it is importaint to have an enemy (see anals of war: Apple vs. IBM, Netscape vs. MS). Well, again, I'm not so sure. There is a tendency to become more like your enemy during war then most people would like to admit. ( doh! I said, "Most people", but then I also said, "I have heard", but I tried to back that up with lame refs. ).
We are creating a vision for our own future here. Lets take the ideas that are good. Ideas don't come from Microsoft, nor Sun or anybodies head. They are just ideas, thoughts of the possible. The rest is just ego.
Some of the confusion may be that we are also learning ( or not ) to live some of our lives in anarchy. Maybe it's a phase, but I like that.
The internet was doing just fine before Microsoft even acknowledged it as a "market". Remember how much catch up MS had to do with IE, let alone other Internet services like e-mail, telnet and ftp.
I was contracting with AOL in 1993-95 when they were deciding what to do about the Internet as a competing "service". It was a black day indeed when they unleashed the unwashed masses to Usenet. And that frigin bug that they had in there news client that posted all those bone headed messages 9+ times. Someone should do a song: The Day Usenet Died. "Sorry to see you go, I hardley even knew ya. But it was sweet while it lasted". Thanks AOL. Not.
As for Sun, IBM, Netscape, Macromedia, etc. Large companies have made some nice contrabutions to the world at times. But mostly they are just a bunch of self engraciating smoke blowers who rip off there ideas from the vast supply of niave college students of the world. I mean, what self respecting geek did'nt have the basic ideas for Hailstorm "mostly worked out" back in the 80's ( of course that was for a massive multiplayer online first person shooter with multi-crew vehicles, but it's close:)
Maybe it's time for the geeks to build another cloistered enclave that the rest of the world might not notice for another 15 - 20 years. Or have they already done it:). It's time to move on when being a geek is "cool". We are supposed to be missunderstood! Something has gone terribly wrong!
And welcome. Just wanted to make a programming suggestion since you are an ASP and database guy. Check out the Zope application server ( and I'll tell you now so you don't have to stumble on it your self: Get ZEO when you get Zope ). Zope is a python based webserver. Very cool stuff. Also, start converting your ASP experience into Apache's PHP experience. Finally, take a look at Postgres SQL server. These products should get you started in delivering solutions similiar to the ones your working on now.
And don't be daunted by the learning curve of Linux. It is worth it in the end. ( but there is no end, hehe )
This is the typical postition that I have heard from teachers that I know. They start off idealistic and quickly are beaten down to just trying to teach the kids who will learn.
However, having been through the Boston public schools, I am tired of hearing this story from all the teachers. Teachers who hold this philosophy are the good ones, the ones who really try despite human frailty. Trouble is, the larger picture of public education is fubared. For every teacher who cares, there is at least one who simply wants to dominate children, knowingly or not. There are wicked teachers out there, esp. in public education. They may look decent from a community perspective but they really put the screws to anyone who does'nt fit there little vision of how things should be. These teachers cause problems for the rest.
I can't blame the child, who is developing the skills we take for granted, for being upset at public schooling. What adult would subject themsevles to the type of treatment a public school provides. ( wait a minute, thousands of teachers;) The schools I have seen lack the feeling a care. It is more like prison/daycare then an institution of learning. The courses are more like rote then actuall intelectual stimulation. I am fed up with this countries narrow minded approach to knowledge.
I give you full support as a teacher from one who was always glad to find those who cared. I am just woundering if teaching is so stressfull now days that nobody can see the forrest for the trees.
Except that the DMCA has provisions that make it a crime to reverse engineer. I believe this applies to trade secrets and Excel's format is probobly protected.
I set up a Linux box with Zope ( for Intranet portal stuff ), CVS for code and Bugzilla for, well, bugs. It required about 0 ( zero ) hours of administration in 144 days of uptime.
The reason it went down after 144 days was because we had to move it from under my desk to the server room so the Systems people could properly watch over it. I wanted to preserve my uptime so we moved it to the server room, still running on UPS power ( down the elevator, through the lower parking garage, up the other elevator... "Beep, Beep, Beep!"). Then we get it to the Server room and one of the systems guys pulls the plug on the UPS so fast all I can do is drop my jaw! Oh well.
Problem is that NT services are never "done". The last organization I worked for had about 50 NT servers of various types and about 7 Sun boxes (E250's and 450's).
They had 1 Sun admin who knew a little about administering old school Unix systems. His job was just that, administration, e.g. creating accounts, checking on backups, etc. They had one DBA who administered the Oracle DB on the Sun boxes ( dev, test and production ).
Now the NT army, probobly 8+ folks plus $800 dollar a day consultents that seemed to live on site were continual tweeking, destroying, reconstructing core services, e.g. Exchange, network shares, web services. This is in addition to a $2 million dollar site license renewed every three years ( Plus MS decided to audit the place for unlicensed software ).
The Sun boxes had been running for so long without trouble that the organization actually forgot how to administer them, which was a problem when we wanted to make changes to NAS, but not that big a deal. The new guys just went in a figured it out.
MS, in my experience has been a very expensive option.
Now I am setting up a small non-profit ( about 10 people ) that uses Macs and Windows with a Linux server. Why? Because I don't want to have to go back. They need file sharing. Linux does Appletalk and SMB. I RAID1 two IDE drives and the thing will just run untill the hardware dies. At which point they can buy two more drives ( which are in "cold swap" pull out bays ) high some one to reinstall Linux ( kernel 4.4 ) and restore the data from backup. I have seen uptime for Linux on crappy dell desktops acting as servers that make me question why I would use anything else.
One of the most effective ways to move heat in a fanless system is with a chimney. You used to be able to get one for the Mac Plus and SE type cases (or make your own). For the server rack, you could have a MacChimneyConduit (tm) running along the back of the rack stack. Heat would vent up the chimney and cooler air would be drawn through strategicaly placed vents. You'd be amazed how well this works. I had a Mac Plus that would over heat and reset. I made a chimney out of cardboard and put it on top like a hat which solved the heat problem.
If any one can figure out how to vent a fanless case, it's Apple.
This would make for an impressive server room, silent!
Please name situation in which your clients database has reached 1TB. I have worked with SAP, and Baan (When Baan was solvant), have not seen a dataspace of 1TB and these are enterprise apps.
I'm not saying that 1TB and greater DB's are not out there, I know one individual who designed a multi TB database for some phone company. These, as the previous poster mentioned, are specialized. You are probably a consultent in a specialized market without even realizing it. The majority of the market does not see databases this size yet.
I don't think what you would do in this situation is at issue. Whats at issue is how many Florida residents felt that the system did not represent them. The system for actually counting votes in a democratic society seems fairly basic. The one we have is obviously not adiquate to the task for reasons that have already been well argued elsewhere in this thread, brief summary:
The medias use of exit poling.
Undertrained/orverworked staff at poling stations that do not provide the proper support to confused voters
It's plain sad that there could be any contraversy as to the location of boxes or the vote count in this day and age and after hundreds of years of practice.
Like Bazman said, "Can't these people not think in business terms?". He said nothing about this "price" that you speak of.
What I think Bazman is trying to get accross is that Linux is not constrained by market dammands. The IT people you are refering to are outsiders looking in. And no, I don't think that they trully understand the fundamental ramifications of the OS, and OSS in general. Maybe they see something they want in Linux, maybe not. This is not the point of Linux, at least not to some of the Linux folk.
If IT is so miffed about Linux being late or underfeatured then they should get a clue a CONTRIBUTE!. There are plenty of organizations that could offer some development time to the writing and/or testing of Linux.
Bazman is correct in identifying that the current market mantality does not "get it".
I think the thing to keep in mind is that you can only contribute what you can actually do. If you do not have the experience to do mime typing for gnutella now, then focus on things you can do that will increase your experience. It might be hard to let go of an idea because you don't have the time, or the skill to implement it, but it's more important to be the type of person that can come up with new ideas. Don't stress over not having the skills just yet. Also, don't think your so very far behind, it might take years to get the experience neccesary to do some of the more advanced projects, but then it is only years and they should be enjoyable if you really like this stuff.
Lastly, good ideas might be a dime a dozen but that does'nt mean you should'nt contribute them. A lot of good ideas don't get shared by people, or someone may have a good idea in general but need refinement. Just be ready to take some serious heat. OS development is not like your fathers big iron company. People are often downright cruel. Learning to fend for yourself and support your ideas is a very important part of all this, so continue to be involved.
I to have one of these ( w/ the 100mbps 4-port hub ). I run a Linux box to serve up a website and other things that I secured as best I could, and it won't be the end of the world if it gets blasted. What I am concerned about are my workstations as they have actual work and more extensive installs and configurations.
What I tried to do was connect my Linux box to my DSL modem and then connect the LynkSys to a second ethernet card and have it pick up an IP via DHCP.
The reason for this was that if my server got hacked, all the other devices on the network would be behind another firewall that had a very restrictive policy.
This did not work as the LinkSys would not connect to the ethernet card on the Linux box. Maybe it needs a crossover cable when going into a hub?
One final note, the DMZ option on the hub is not a proper DMZ, it basicaly exposes every port on the designated computer to the outside. If someone compromises that box then they will have unrestricted access to the "ajoining zones". This was the reason I tried to configure the network in the way described above.
If anybody knows more about this type of setup, please let me know
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I doubt that. iissync is a case of going the long way home. If it's "just as easy", why the heck build all the limiting GUI stuff in the first place?
MS config utilities can not beat Unix text files, versioned in CVS and distributed via automation. At leat I have never seen anything that comes close.
Kind Regards
You could be sure that the unconnected system was clean if the entire OS and App suit was on a CD-ROM. Boot the machiene each time you use it. No problem.
Yes, 500. They are cutting 1/4 of there 500 person staff.
Under Russian law, it is Adobe who is the criminal for not allowing a back up copy of there software to be made. Adobe should be licensing the software in Russia, not arresting it's creator in the US.
Now that I think about it, it is strange how earth centric our theories of life our. We still speculate about the possobility of other life in the Universe, as if we were not in the Universe ourselves. Maybe an approach to evolution that asked the question, "How did life begin in the Universe?" would be better then the question: "How did life start on earth?".
Now the big show stopper was that they were going to be spending alot of money and needed to be able to go after a company legally if things went bad.
Well, things went bad. The software suxors and do you think they can even get the company on the phone? Actually, do you even think that this manager has even tried? Who cares, it sounds agravating and there's no money to spend.
I think that this beliefe ignores the fact that the Universe is not smooth and uniform, but infact clumpy. If every organization attracted the same crossection of society then this statement may be true. However, the real prick bastards of the world will tend to congragate where the rules of conduct allow them to excersize there own brand of morality and justice.
The FBI would not have a person like me in it's ranks for similiar reasons that I would not have fought in Vietnam or the Gulf war (or Panama, or Somalia, etc. ). So there is at least one group of people that are not represented.
Your beliefe also does not account for racism, the privilages of wealth or other factors that contribute to the way in which people organize against one another.
To be trite, power corrupts. The FBI, Adobe and the US Government all have alot of power.
I just thought I'd comment on this because it is something that I hear alot in defense of the status quo. It is also a beliefe that I have held from time to time but alas, I do not think it is true.
Kind Regards
Unfortunatly the the law does not seem to find any humor or value worth protecting in this form of expression. OS/Free market can not protect itself in the way that the private/closed market participents can. In the U.S. at least, the system is designed to protect the private sector when it comes to issues like this. Most likely the law is as it is to protect the private sector from itself. These laws also seem to make excessivly brutal weapons against individuals as well.
Oh, well. I guess we will have to settle for a name that does not really convey the authors sentaments. But thanks any way Adobe for not suing this poor guy back into the stone age and other wise making his life a living hell.
As we all know, VisualAge for Java is just a rework of IBM's SmallTalk environment and it manages to bring some of the niceties of small talk development to the Java realm. The built in code versioning is nice and the "working image" is kinda nice. It's debugger is sweet too.
I only used the freely available Linux version but there is an enterprise version. I believe the enterprise version has a network centralized class/code repository but I am not sure. It seems the product architecture was pointed that way and I always had the recuring dream of having the other developers in the dept. using VAJ and us all sharing a code repository.
In the end CVS and nedit/Visual Slick Edit/VI/notepad became the environment ( and probobly for the better, but VAJ is /really/ cool).
He did'nt say, "lets implement Hailstorm only OSS", he said, "lets implement Hailstorm, only better". What would be better? Well, control over your info would be better, for one.
Should we be spending all this time trying to stop Microsoft? I don't think so. We should treat MS like any thing else, a source of inspiration. Take what is good and leave the rest. I have heard it said that it is importaint to have an enemy (see anals of war: Apple vs. IBM, Netscape vs. MS). Well, again, I'm not so sure. There is a tendency to become more like your enemy during war then most people would like to admit. ( doh! I said, "Most people", but then I also said, "I have heard", but I tried to back that up with lame refs. ).
We are creating a vision for our own future here. Lets take the ideas that are good. Ideas don't come from Microsoft, nor Sun or anybodies head. They are just ideas, thoughts of the possible. The rest is just ego.
Some of the confusion may be that we are also learning ( or not ) to live some of our lives in anarchy. Maybe it's a phase, but I like that.
Cheers
I was contracting with AOL in 1993-95 when they were deciding what to do about the Internet as a competing "service". It was a black day indeed when they unleashed the unwashed masses to Usenet. And that frigin bug that they had in there news client that posted all those bone headed messages 9+ times. Someone should do a song: The Day Usenet Died. "Sorry to see you go, I hardley even knew ya. But it was sweet while it lasted". Thanks AOL. Not.
As for Sun, IBM, Netscape, Macromedia, etc. Large companies have made some nice contrabutions to the world at times. But mostly they are just a bunch of self engraciating smoke blowers who rip off there ideas from the vast supply of niave college students of the world. I mean, what self respecting geek did'nt have the basic ideas for Hailstorm "mostly worked out" back in the 80's ( of course that was for a massive multiplayer online first person shooter with multi-crew vehicles, but it's close :)
Maybe it's time for the geeks to build another cloistered enclave that the rest of the world might not notice for another 15 - 20 years. Or have they already done it :). It's time to move on when being a geek is "cool". We are supposed to be missunderstood! Something has gone terribly wrong!
Cheers
And welcome. Just wanted to make a programming suggestion since you are an ASP and database guy. Check out the Zope application server ( and I'll tell you now so you don't have to stumble on it your self: Get ZEO when you get Zope ). Zope is a python based webserver. Very cool stuff. Also, start converting your ASP experience into Apache's PHP experience. Finally, take a look at Postgres SQL server. These products should get you started in delivering solutions similiar to the ones your working on now.
And don't be daunted by the learning curve of Linux. It is worth it in the end. ( but there is no end, hehe )
Kind Regards
This is the typical postition that I have heard from teachers that I know. They start off idealistic and quickly are beaten down to just trying to teach the kids who will learn.
However, having been through the Boston public schools, I am tired of hearing this story from all the teachers. Teachers who hold this philosophy are the good ones, the ones who really try despite human frailty. Trouble is, the larger picture of public education is fubared. For every teacher who cares, there is at least one who simply wants to dominate children, knowingly or not. There are wicked teachers out there, esp. in public education. They may look decent from a community perspective but they really put the screws to anyone who does'nt fit there little vision of how things should be. These teachers cause problems for the rest.
I can't blame the child, who is developing the skills we take for granted, for being upset at public schooling. What adult would subject themsevles to the type of treatment a public school provides. ( wait a minute, thousands of teachers ;) The schools I have seen lack the feeling a care. It is more like prison/daycare then an institution of learning. The courses are more like rote then actuall intelectual stimulation. I am fed up with this countries narrow minded approach to knowledge.
I give you full support as a teacher from one who was always glad to find those who cared. I am just woundering if teaching is so stressfull now days that nobody can see the forrest for the trees.
Kind Regards
If the kid distributed pamphlets off school grounds, you bet they would find there way onto school grounds.
Except that the DMCA has provisions that make it a crime to reverse engineer. I believe this applies to trade secrets and Excel's format is probobly protected.
The reason it went down after 144 days was because we had to move it from under my desk to the server room so the Systems people could properly watch over it. I wanted to preserve my uptime so we moved it to the server room, still running on UPS power ( down the elevator, through the lower parking garage, up the other elevator... "Beep, Beep, Beep!"). Then we get it to the Server room and one of the systems guys pulls the plug on the UPS so fast all I can do is drop my jaw! Oh well.
Cheers
Problem is that NT services are never "done". The last organization I worked for had about 50 NT servers of various types and about 7 Sun boxes (E250's and 450's).
They had 1 Sun admin who knew a little about administering old school Unix systems. His job was just that, administration, e.g. creating accounts, checking on backups, etc. They had one DBA who administered the Oracle DB on the Sun boxes ( dev, test and production ).
Now the NT army, probobly 8+ folks plus $800 dollar a day consultents that seemed to live on site were continual tweeking, destroying, reconstructing core services, e.g. Exchange, network shares, web services. This is in addition to a $2 million dollar site license renewed every three years ( Plus MS decided to audit the place for unlicensed software ).
The Sun boxes had been running for so long without trouble that the organization actually forgot how to administer them, which was a problem when we wanted to make changes to NAS, but not that big a deal. The new guys just went in a figured it out.
MS, in my experience has been a very expensive option.
Now I am setting up a small non-profit ( about 10 people ) that uses Macs and Windows with a Linux server. Why? Because I don't want to have to go back. They need file sharing. Linux does Appletalk and SMB. I RAID1 two IDE drives and the thing will just run untill the hardware dies. At which point they can buy two more drives ( which are in "cold swap" pull out bays ) high some one to reinstall Linux ( kernel 4.4 ) and restore the data from backup. I have seen uptime for Linux on crappy dell desktops acting as servers that make me question why I would use anything else.
Cheers
Yah! Hmmm?
If any one can figure out how to vent a fanless case, it's Apple.
This would make for an impressive server room, silent!
Cheers
I'm not saying that 1TB and greater DB's are not out there, I know one individual who designed a multi TB database for some phone company. These, as the previous poster mentioned, are specialized. You are probably a consultent in a specialized market without even realizing it. The majority of the market does not see databases this size yet.
Cheers
It's plain sad that there could be any contraversy as to the location of boxes or the vote count in this day and age and after hundreds of years of practice.
What I think Bazman is trying to get accross is that Linux is not constrained by market dammands. The IT people you are refering to are outsiders looking in. And no, I don't think that they trully understand the fundamental ramifications of the OS, and OSS in general. Maybe they see something they want in Linux, maybe not. This is not the point of Linux, at least not to some of the Linux folk.
If IT is so miffed about Linux being late or underfeatured then they should get a clue a CONTRIBUTE!. There are plenty of organizations that could offer some development time to the writing and/or testing of Linux.
Bazman is correct in identifying that the current market mantality does not "get it".
Who loses here?
I think the thing to keep in mind is that you can only contribute what you can actually do. If you do not have the experience to do mime typing for gnutella now, then focus on things you can do that will increase your experience. It might be hard to let go of an idea because you don't have the time, or the skill to implement it, but it's more important to be the type of person that can come up with new ideas. Don't stress over not having the skills just yet. Also, don't think your so very far behind, it might take years to get the experience neccesary to do some of the more advanced projects, but then it is only years and they should be enjoyable if you really like this stuff.
Lastly, good ideas might be a dime a dozen but that does'nt mean you should'nt contribute them. A lot of good ideas don't get shared by people, or someone may have a good idea in general but need refinement. Just be ready to take some serious heat. OS development is not like your fathers big iron company. People are often downright cruel. Learning to fend for yourself and support your ideas is a very important part of all this, so continue to be involved.
Cheers
What I tried to do was connect my Linux box to my DSL modem and then connect the LynkSys to a second ethernet card and have it pick up an IP via DHCP.
The reason for this was that if my server got hacked, all the other devices on the network would be behind another firewall that had a very restrictive policy.
This did not work as the LinkSys would not connect to the ethernet card on the Linux box. Maybe it needs a crossover cable when going into a hub?
One final note, the DMZ option on the hub is not a proper DMZ, it basicaly exposes every port on the designated computer to the outside. If someone compromises that box then they will have unrestricted access to the "ajoining zones". This was the reason I tried to configure the network in the way described above.
If anybody knows more about this type of setup, please let me know -Cheers