Do you think your feelings of isolation might be do to a society that is focused on a very narrow definition of "normal", and lack of tolerance for, and fear of, things deemed "different".
What amazes me is that people who claim to have AS sound completely "normal" on message boards, yet they say AS has seriously impacted their lives. This makes me suspect that the problems with AS are do to superficial prejudices of society.
I posit that "social normalcy" is nothing more than adhering to a set of assumptions the social majority expects from you. If you deviate from the social norms you are likely to confuse and possibly frighten people who look for the normalcy queues rather than focusing on the content of the conversation. They rationalize the actual content of the conversation to fit their existing world view in an effort to find common ground between you and them, however false does not matter. Social cohesion is more important than understanding. I speak from experience with my own motivations as well as observation of other peoples apparent motivations.
I suspect a friend of mine has AS. We used to have some of the best scientific (well ok, pseudo scientific:) conversations about psychology, the cosmos, etc. It only happened when we were alone together, and only when we were young. We went our seperate ways and now it's hard for me to relate to him anymore. This could be for any number of reasons, it happens between people all the time. I try to make allowances for what I suspect is AS, which generally means I remain quite and listen while he gets into way to much detail about every last facit of an event, a technology, whatever. I then try to move the conversation along with more general commentary and on we go.
Sorry for the ramblings. Your mention of suicide really worried me.
They already know who you are, you are iris #42. You moved into location A, than B, than C. You did so at time intervals X, Y and Z. You were in proximity to Iris's #3, #56 and #98. Acquire enough of this data and they can take their time learning your name.
"Again, this is what diplomacy is all about. They are pushing for trade concessions, largely consisting of the lifting of trade bans that the US imposed, and also after some guarantees that they won't be the target of the next regime-change expedition. You'd have to be pretty gullible to believe that they actually intend to attack anyone. The world would simply not allow it. It would be completely impossible logistically to pull off. You really need to have a look at the state of development of N / S Korea and have a think about what allies each side has, and consider who is going to win any war between them. They are bluffing. Anyone but a fool can see this."
Ironicaly with the failure of the US military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan it is now _more_ likely that North Korea could get away with an invasion of the South in an effort to unify the last divided country on the planet. The US military would have to close down one of it's fronts in order to address the Korean situation and it is unlikely that the UN or EU could do anything. By the time the world had the ability to respond, the facts on the ground would dictate much of what would be possible and that would be in North Koreas favor.
Not that it is at all likely, just saying that current US actions have made it more likely that it could happen and would succeed than before.
I was refering to the movie that was made about the incident, "A Cry in the Dark".
In that movie it's the finding of the childs clothing that gets the case thrown out after the mother had served several years of her sentence. Now you are saying that, in fact, the state of the babies clothing suggests murder after all?!
I wrote an assembly language version of Space War that used the system's RS-232 port to "network" two 102's together. When you cloaked your ship, the ship only disapeared on your opponents screen.
-peace
p.s. Both my 102's were stolen when I moved to NYC but a friend of mine just sent me a Model 100 so I'm going to poke around with some old software I wrote for it.
The market is under pressure to cater to the Free software crowed *if* they like their Free bear Linux. That is the difference between the GPL and BSD licenses, for example. They will either tow the GPL line or they will get flayed. Some seem to think it's a bargan worth making. That the Free software crowed has kept the pressure on the market is to their credit. The forces working against them are powerful.
You, of course, are Free not to use the software if you feel it cramps your style. You could even start your own software eco system that appeals to your sense of ethics/moral/religious values.
Your example is like me mail ordering an ounce from Amsterdam and the US government busting the guy in Amsterdam.
-peace
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Israel now exists in a land where, before, there was no Israel. So exactly where did the land come from to create Israel? Did the British empire manufacture it?
The answer is that they carved it out of Palestine.
As for the infrastructure created, yes, the formation of Israel was well orchestrated and funded. So was the formation of the United States. They were still both stolen from the native populations, against their stated will.
Being open minded does not mean you are required to turn your mind into a cesspool by encouraging morons. If they think they have a point I'm simply being very clear about the mountin they have to climb to prove it. If they can, great, I'm all for truth. Any reviewer worth their salt, when presented with crap, will call it.
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"That's interesting and all, but I think I'm inclined to cut Israel (or the "zionists") a hell of a lot of slack given that they've been living for too long under the shadow of a half-billion people whose declared aim is to obliterate them by any means possible, and have tried to do just that at least three times so far."
People and governments of the region stated that they opposed the formation of Israel and that they would attack any state that was formed there. The voting nations ignored the will of the people whose lands they were taking and the result has been an endless war and untold sorrow. Blaming the people who were wronged is simply perverse.
It is hardly the Israelis that have been living under the threat of total annihilation, it is in fact the Palestinians that have been living with this. Ever since their expulsion from their lands by Israel.
It was 700 Palestinians and they were murdered in a refugee camp in 1992. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced at the inception of Israel and that injustice has not yet been redressed, hence the current situation.
Kind Regards
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"So consider Israel's situation. They are as legitimate a nation as any other."
Israel is not the same as any other nation, hence it's rather unique problems and claims against it. The Arab nations within the region opposed it's creation, told the post WWII security council nations that they would attack Israel if it was formed, did attack, and have been continuing to do just what they said they would do. So the situation should be very clear. The people of the region did not want Israel formed in their lands. Their desires were ignored at every ones peril. It was racism against the "dark Semites" that allowed this situation to get out of hand. Israel fuels racism like no other "Western" country. That these policies bite them in the ass is Pyrrhic justice.
Israel's policy can lead nowhere good. There is no end game that is acceptable on any level. But greed and racism will likely continue to win the day for the foreseeable future and so this tragedy will simply ensue for continued generations.
Palestinians have nothing. They are a people beyond the brink. They have been pushed there by circumstances well beyond their control, but well within the control of Israel and "Western" nations. The continued incursions by Israel into Palestinian lands is simply sadistic, as their is clearly no benefit.
"Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state; we will defend this right"
Not if you ask the people in the region and those who's lands were taken for it's formation. It's very similar to the decimation of the Native Americans in formation of the USA.
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"Palestinians are people too, and they do deserve to live in peace - but so are and so do the people in Israel."
If view the formation of the state of Israel with an objective, non-racist point of view, you will find the Israel deserves no such thing.
What is needed is for the world to go back and redress the wrongs done to Palestine during the years leading up to, and after the formation of Israel.
I think we would need something like SETI@home to detect your signal. To bad Arecibo is being decomissioned.
If you voted non-republican I'll bet they just removed your noise so as to keep the signal clean anyway. Can't have the randomness of the informed screwing things up.
I was just noting that a lot of people are not, in fact, upset at the NSF. Looking at the sunset date of 2011 is really quite telling. It will create a "save the dish" campaign well after we are (hopefully) out of Iraq and with a new administration.
Stop reading the most thoroughly modern, peer reviewed science available and replace it with 15th century Chinese maps. You are an idiot. Please work on that.
I think what people are mostly complaining about is that if it only takes $12 million a year to run Arecibo, the US government should just give half the troops in Iraq a few hours off in order to come up with the capital. Arecibo is a lot of infrastructure that will be more costly than $12 million a year to science if it is shut down.
The NSF may be making good, ballsy decisions with what they have. People are saying that they should have more. At least I am, and a lot of other posts, too.
I find your analysis very interesting, and troubling. I took your comments over to groklaw to see if anyone had any ideas. I got this in reply and would be very interested in your response to copied post below. The actual post is here: Groklaw post
Your comments:
"If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License."
In case you've forgotten:
Paragraph 0:... Each licensee is addressed as "you".
If Microsoft files suit against, gets a court order against, or makes an allegation of infringement against someone who is not me, then I need not be concerned because not-me is also not "you." It's there in black and white in the license.
Paragraph 6:... You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.
If Microsoft asserts patent infringement against everyone except SuSE, SuSE is perfectly free to distribute the program under the GPL.
Groklaw reply:
See the bold 'agreement'. Novell ('you') has now made an agreement that gives them and their customers rights to patents in Linux, but doesn't allow their customers to give those rights to others. In short, they are licensing patents from Microsoft and sublicensing them to their customers. Any attempt to sublicense Linux under anything but the GPL is void and terminates their license. You can dress it up as a 'covenent not to sue', but that is basically what a license is. In my mind, Novell is now violating the GPL by distributing Linux under a patent license to their customers.
Under your interpretation of the GPL, specifically your interpretation of paragraph 2(b), essentially every version of the Linux kernel since at least version 2.4 is almost certainly being distributed in violation of the GPL. Unless you know of someone who happens to have 283 clearance opinions or royalty-free, non-exclusive, and sublicenseable license agreements, then you are merely assuming that all 283 patents do not apply. I suggest that you notify the FSF of this rampant license violation immediately.
That is not correct. Read this section again:
"If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License.
Until conditions are imposed on you (as the agreement with Microsoft does to Novell), you are not violating the GPL. There may be 283 patented concepts in Linux, but I have yet to see a court case or decision about any of them. If one does happen, the infringing code MUST be removed from Linux. Otherwise, NO ONE can distribute it. Read the preamble to find the purpose of the GPL.
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Do you think your feelings of isolation might be do to a society that is focused on a very narrow definition of "normal", and lack of tolerance for, and fear of, things deemed "different".
:) conversations about psychology, the cosmos, etc. It only happened when we were alone together, and only when we were young. We went our seperate ways and now it's hard for me to relate to him anymore. This could be for any number of reasons, it happens between people all the time. I try to make allowances for what I suspect is AS, which generally means I remain quite and listen while he gets into way to much detail about every last facit of an event, a technology, whatever. I then try to move the conversation along with more general commentary and on we go.
What amazes me is that people who claim to have AS sound completely "normal" on message boards, yet they say AS has seriously impacted their lives. This makes me suspect that the problems with AS are do to superficial prejudices of society.
I posit that "social normalcy" is nothing more than adhering to a set of assumptions the social majority expects from you. If you deviate from the social norms you are likely to confuse and possibly frighten people who look for the normalcy queues rather than focusing on the content of the conversation. They rationalize the actual content of the conversation to fit their existing world view in an effort to find common ground between you and them, however false does not matter. Social cohesion is more important than understanding. I speak from experience with my own motivations as well as observation of other peoples apparent motivations.
I suspect a friend of mine has AS. We used to have some of the best scientific (well ok, pseudo scientific
Sorry for the ramblings. Your mention of suicide really worried me.
Kind Regards
They already know who you are, you are iris #42. You moved into location A, than B, than C. You did so at time intervals X, Y and Z. You were in proximity to Iris's #3, #56 and #98. Acquire enough of this data and they can take their time learning your name.
If it was a joke, it would have been funny.
Cool. Can I have your job?
"Again, this is what diplomacy is all about. They are pushing for trade concessions, largely consisting of the lifting of trade bans that the US imposed, and also after some guarantees that they won't be the target of the next regime-change expedition. You'd have to be pretty gullible to believe that they actually intend to attack anyone. The world would simply not allow it. It would be completely impossible logistically to pull off. You really need to have a look at the state of development of N / S Korea and have a think about what allies each side has, and consider who is going to win any war between them. They are bluffing. Anyone but a fool can see this."
Ironicaly with the failure of the US military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan it is now _more_ likely that North Korea could get away with an invasion of the South in an effort to unify the last divided country on the planet. The US military would have to close down one of it's fronts in order to address the Korean situation and it is unlikely that the UN or EU could do anything. By the time the world had the ability to respond, the facts on the ground would dictate much of what would be possible and that would be in North Koreas favor.
Not that it is at all likely, just saying that current US actions have made it more likely that it could happen and would succeed than before.
Kind Regards
I was refering to the movie that was made about the incident, "A Cry in the Dark".
In that movie it's the finding of the childs clothing that gets the case thrown out after the mother had served several years of her sentence. Now you are saying that, in fact, the state of the babies clothing suggests murder after all?!
"When the US minds their own business, they get blamed. The US steps in and gets blamed. It's really a broken record."
Yes Virginia, it really is that simple.
I wrote an assembly language version of Space War that used the system's RS-232 port to "network" two 102's together. When you cloaked your ship, the ship only disapeared on your opponents screen.
-peace
p.s. Both my 102's were stolen when I moved to NYC but a friend of mine just sent me a Model 100 so I'm going to poke around with some old software I wrote for it.
Another great bit of SciFi in the form of a movie. Puts the "I just work here" angle in perspective.
-peace
The market is under pressure to cater to the Free software crowed *if* they like their Free bear Linux. That is the difference between the GPL and BSD licenses, for example. They will either tow the GPL line or they will get flayed. Some seem to think it's a bargan worth making. That the Free software crowed has kept the pressure on the market is to their credit. The forces working against them are powerful.
You, of course, are Free not to use the software if you feel it cramps your style. You could even start your own software eco system that appeals to your sense of ethics/moral/religious values.
Kind Regards
I thought she was eventually found inocent? Though the dingo seems to have gotten away with it.
Your example is like me mail ordering an ounce from Amsterdam and the US government busting the guy in Amsterdam.
-peace
Israel now exists in a land where, before, there was no Israel. So exactly where did the land come from to create Israel? Did the British empire manufacture it?
The answer is that they carved it out of Palestine.
As for the infrastructure created, yes, the formation of Israel was well orchestrated and funded. So was the formation of the United States. They were still both stolen from the native populations, against their stated will.
Kind Regards
Being open minded does not mean you are required to turn your mind into a cesspool by encouraging morons. If they think they have a point I'm simply being very clear about the mountin they have to climb to prove it. If they can, great, I'm all for truth. Any reviewer worth their salt, when presented with crap, will call it.
Kind Regards
More Bacon!!!
"That's interesting and all, but I think I'm inclined to cut Israel (or the "zionists") a hell of a lot of slack given that they've been living for too long under the shadow of a half-billion people whose declared aim is to obliterate them by any means possible, and have tried to do just that at least three times so far."
People and governments of the region stated that they opposed the formation of Israel and that they would attack any state that was formed there. The voting nations ignored the will of the people whose lands they were taking and the result has been an endless war and untold sorrow. Blaming the people who were wronged is simply perverse.
It is hardly the Israelis that have been living under the threat of total annihilation, it is in fact the Palestinians that have been living with this. Ever since their expulsion from their lands by Israel.
It was 700 Palestinians and they were murdered in a refugee camp in 1992. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced at the inception of Israel and that injustice has not yet been redressed, hence the current situation.
Kind Regards
"So consider Israel's situation. They are as legitimate a nation as any other."
Israel is not the same as any other nation, hence it's rather unique problems and claims against it. The Arab nations within the region opposed it's creation, told the post WWII security council nations that they would attack Israel if it was formed, did attack, and have been continuing to do just what they said they would do. So the situation should be very clear. The people of the region did not want Israel formed in their lands. Their desires were ignored at every ones peril. It was racism against the "dark Semites" that allowed this situation to get out of hand. Israel fuels racism like no other "Western" country. That these policies bite them in the ass is Pyrrhic justice.
Israel's policy can lead nowhere good. There is no end game that is acceptable on any level. But greed and racism will likely continue to win the day for the foreseeable future and so this tragedy will simply ensue for continued generations.
Palestinians have nothing. They are a people beyond the brink. They have been pushed there by circumstances well beyond their control, but well within the control of Israel and "Western" nations. The continued incursions by Israel into Palestinian lands is simply sadistic, as their is clearly no benefit.
"Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state; we will defend this right"
Not if you ask the people in the region and those who's lands were taken for it's formation. It's very similar to the decimation of the Native Americans in formation of the USA.
Kind Regards
If view the formation of the state of Israel with an objective, non-racist point of view, you will find the Israel deserves no such thing.
What is needed is for the world to go back and redress the wrongs done to Palestine during the years leading up to, and after the formation of Israel.
Then they can all live in peace.
Kind Regards
I think we would need something like SETI@home to detect your signal. To bad Arecibo is being decomissioned.
If you voted non-republican I'll bet they just removed your noise so as to keep the signal clean anyway. Can't have the randomness of the informed screwing things up.
Kind Regards
How is it ignorant to note the US Governments priorities?
Regards
Yes, of course :)
I was just noting that a lot of people are not, in fact, upset at the NSF. Looking at the sunset date of 2011 is really quite telling. It will create a "save the dish" campaign well after we are (hopefully) out of Iraq and with a new administration.
I get it.
Kind Regards
Stop reading the most thoroughly modern, peer reviewed science available and replace it with 15th century Chinese maps. You are an idiot. Please work on that.
Regards
I think what people are mostly complaining about is that if it only takes $12 million a year to run Arecibo, the US government should just give half the troops in Iraq a few hours off in order to come up with the capital. Arecibo is a lot of infrastructure that will be more costly than $12 million a year to science if it is shut down.
The NSF may be making good, ballsy decisions with what they have. People are saying that they should have more. At least I am, and a lot of other posts, too.
Kind Regards
I'm "peace" over at groklaw. Thanks for the back and forth commenting you did over there regarding this issue.
Kind Regards
I find your analysis very interesting, and troubling. I took your comments over to groklaw to see if anyone had any ideas. I got this in reply and would be very interested in your response to copied post below. The actual post is here: Groklaw post
Your comments:
"If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License."
In case you've forgotten:
Paragraph 0: ... Each licensee is addressed as "you".
If Microsoft files suit against, gets a court order against, or makes an allegation of infringement against someone who is not me, then I need not be concerned because not-me is also not "you." It's there in black and white in the license.
Paragraph 6: ... You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing compliance by third parties to this License.
If Microsoft asserts patent infringement against everyone except SuSE, SuSE is perfectly free to distribute the program under the GPL.
Groklaw reply:
See the bold 'agreement'. Novell ('you') has now made an agreement that gives them and their customers rights to patents in Linux, but doesn't allow their customers to give those rights to others. In short, they are licensing patents from Microsoft and sublicensing them to their customers. Any attempt to sublicense Linux under anything but the GPL is void and terminates their license. You can dress it up as a 'covenent not to sue', but that is basically what a license is. In my mind, Novell is now violating the GPL by distributing Linux under a patent license to their customers.
Under your interpretation of the GPL, specifically your interpretation of paragraph 2(b), essentially every version of the Linux kernel since at least version 2.4 is almost certainly being distributed in violation of the GPL. Unless you know of someone who happens to have 283 clearance opinions or royalty-free, non-exclusive, and sublicenseable license agreements, then you are merely assuming that all 283 patents do not apply. I suggest that you notify the FSF of this rampant license violation immediately.
That is not correct. Read this section again:
"If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues), conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License.
Until conditions are imposed on you (as the agreement with Microsoft does to Novell), you are not violating the GPL. There may be 283 patented concepts in Linux, but I have yet to see a court case or decision about any of them. If one does happen, the infringing code MUST be removed from Linux. Otherwise, NO ONE can distribute it. Read the preamble to find the purpose of the GPL.