Actually, I think that it was rated at DDR2-533 - it depends on whether you read the chart or the narrative. I guess that proofreading at Tom's is about as effective as proofreading on/.!
Let's see - the GeIL memory is rated at DDR2-533. The module from the vendor ran at DDR2-942. The module from the store ran at DDR2-842. Now, Tom makes this out to be some big controversy, but it seems to me that a module running 36% faster than specified is no small thing, particularly at that high of a data rate.
I'm an engineer who designs memory modules. In most cases, our modules are overclockable, at least to some degree - some go faster than others. At the sort of speed that Tom's Hardware is running, I'm not really surprised that there's more than a 2 or 3% variation in performance, espeically if the chips on those modules came from different manufacturing lots. At the outer limits of memory speed performance, the tiniest changes in parasitic capacitance can be death to performance - and those values change from lot to lot, even from wafer to wafer.
When manufacturers specify that 2% to 3% tolerance, they're referring to the module's performance at its rated speed, and that makes sense. Plug two modules into a system and they will run in virtual lockstep - at their rated speed. There are a million analogies that I could use, but the bottom line is that there are assumptions and statements in Tom's article that just aren't right.
Maybe the module was cherry-picked and maybe it wasn't, but, if nothing else, a sample of two doesn't make for much of a study. After all, if the retail module had been DOA, a pedantic person could say that GeIL cherry-picked the evaluation samples and sends all the defective modules to retail.
Better make that "a company". Also, reading the article gives an interesting view on the value of Wal-Mart, particularly the last few paragraphs:
Wier had determined to lead Snapper to focus on quality, and through quality, on cachet. Not every car is a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry; there is more than enough business to support Audi and BMW and Lexus. And so it is with lawn mowers, Wier hoped. Still, perhaps the most remarkable thing is that the Wal-Mart effect is so pervasive that it sets the metabolism even of companies that purposefully do no business with Wal-Mart.
Not miniscule, but not a tragically high number. The lead in solder accounts for less than 0.5% of the lead in use world wide. The big lead use? Batteries. 80% of lead in the world is in batteries.
And, in Europe, I wonder how much lead flashing on roofs affects health? I'm told (so I don't have anything to back this up) that lead flashing is all over the place there. Rain falls on the roof, runs down the lead flashing into the gutters and then into the river or ground water supply, carrying lead with it. Eliminating lead (and other hazardous stuff in electronics) helps, but it's really a drop in the bucket, so to speak.
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Step 3: Hook up with a meglomaniacal business shark with enough charisma to attract a cult following.
Lucky you. None of the Dimension home range have the option, even the shiny 64-bit Core Duo machines.
Lucky me - maybe. The only reason that I need XP64 is because the machine is a workstation with 12GB of RAM. 32 bit Windows will only address 4GB of memory on this system, so XP64 was the only choice. However, there are plenty of apps that I use on a daily basis that won't run on XP64, so here I sit with two computers on my desk: one for electrical simulations and one for email, PDA and that sort of stuff. To be honest, I would have rather had regular XP (well, to be honest, I would have rather had Linux, but try telling our software vendors that), but the memory limit was a pretty big problem.
To make things even worse, our corporate IT department is utterly clueless when it comes to maintaining an XP64-based system. None of their automated tools will work on the system, so everything must be done by hand - meaning that very little gets done. In a small company maybe that wouldn't be a problem, but figure that there are around 30,000 computers in the company...well, the tiny percentage running XP64 get short shrift, that's for sure.
I've never seen an option to get Windows in 64bits on the Dell site.
You didn't look very hard. My Precision 470 came with XP64:
Important: Not all current applications and/or peripherals are compatible with 64-bit and may not function properly. Be sure to verify compatibility with all application and peripheral vendors prior to purchasing a Dell Precision platform with a 64-bit operating system.
Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2 with media
Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2 without media Genuine Windows® XP Professional x64 w/ media
Genuine Windows® XP Professional x64 w/o media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 No Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 with Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 64bit No Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 64bit with Media
Bush has had a policy of denying global warming is a result of humans, the fact he is giving the NOAA extra money for research rather than prevention is quite interesting, global warming is something that is happening.
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So as you feel your skin cancer forming and watch the ice caps come washing over us, just remember it isn't because of mankind, President Bush says so.
From the article:
Although Bush and his top advisers have said that Earth is warming and human activity has contributed to this...
Regardless, I'm not much in favor of the politicizing of scientific research and I suspect that you feel the same way. Facts are facts, spin is spin. The cynic in me, though, fully expects any administration to exert control over its employees when it comes to statements regarding official policy and, unfortunately, global warming definitely bears on official policy.
But, leave it to a geek to write up a reason rather than getting out there and running those few miles.
Amen. Breaking out my broad brush, it looks to me like there are no big differences between geeks and everybody else when it comes to rationalizing reasons for why they can't do something very well.
Today we can't "single task". Yesterday we were dyslexic. The day before we had ADHD. God knows what we'll be tomorrow. I guess that geeks are no different than anybody else when it comes to problems looking for blame.
Funny thing, last year around this time, I couldn't make it from the parking lot to my desk without breathing hard. Now I run or bike a few miles every day. The problem isn't being forced to not multitask - we used to have a perfectly good word for the situation. It's called boredom. Exercise is boring! In my case, though, the choice was be bored a half hour a day or be dead. Seemed like an easy choice.
One of the key reasons to have a jury is so that they can judge the law as well as the case!
The jury's decision is based on the facts of the case. The judge makes his ruling based on the law. In a non-jury case, the judge rules on both the facts and the law. The jury does not make decisions based on law.
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Nobody got rich from a public sector job, especially being governor of Arkansas. Clinton lived in the governor's mansion - he didn't own a house. The current governor's salary is about $75,000 a year.
Cabinet secretary salaries are about $170,000 a year. Running the CIA probably qualifies for that pay level - it definitely doesn't pay more. Good money, but nothing to build a vast fortune with.
Incidentally, the president's salary is $400,000 per year - again, pretty good money, but that's not why they ran for president. And it's only recently that the salary was dramatically raised. Of course, there are a lot of perks that come with the office...
I put a lot of faith in Forbes' ability to estimate personal wealth.
Now, after leaving office...maybe that's a different story. It certainly is with the Clintons!
Maybe the best thing to take away from this is that the guys with all the money aren't the ones running for the office. They guys with the money are just footing the bill (and you can draw whatever quid pro quo conclusions you want from that!)
...al Wahhabi and al Saud- the two "Arab terrorists" that George W Bush's grandpa Prescott armed to create Saudi Arabia...
Wow, talk about skewed history. Now, if you want to say that Prescott Bush helped to fund the Nazis, you might be able to back that up with a few conspiracy theories, but you really managed to come up with something bizarre here.
Beer in Jordan? I'm pretty sure it's legal. It's not Saudi Arabia or anything...
I had a few when I was in Aqaba. The story that I got was that there is only one brewery in the country. It wasn't good beer, but it was cold and wet. It also had a picture of King Hussein on the label.
Name one president who wasn't worth over $30 million in the last 40 years
I'll bite - all of them!
George W. Bush: $13,000,000 Bill Clinton: $930,000 George H. W. Bush: $2,000,000 Ronald Reagan: $4,800,000 Jimmy Carter: $2,200,000 Gerald Ford: $1,100,000 Richard Nixon: $1,300,000 Lyndon Johnson: $19,000,000
That's 40 years' worth of presidents. Info courtesy of Forbes, from their estimates of presidential wealth when in office.
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PROFITS, dammit! You left out profits!
Actually, I think that it was rated at DDR2-533 - it depends on whether you read the chart or the narrative. I guess that proofreading at Tom's is about as effective as proofreading on /.!
Let's see - the GeIL memory is rated at DDR2-533. The module from the vendor ran at DDR2-942. The module from the store ran at DDR2-842. Now, Tom makes this out to be some big controversy, but it seems to me that a module running 36% faster than specified is no small thing, particularly at that high of a data rate.
I'm an engineer who designs memory modules. In most cases, our modules are overclockable, at least to some degree - some go faster than others. At the sort of speed that Tom's Hardware is running, I'm not really surprised that there's more than a 2 or 3% variation in performance, espeically if the chips on those modules came from different manufacturing lots. At the outer limits of memory speed performance, the tiniest changes in parasitic capacitance can be death to performance - and those values change from lot to lot, even from wafer to wafer.
When manufacturers specify that 2% to 3% tolerance, they're referring to the module's performance at its rated speed, and that makes sense. Plug two modules into a system and they will run in virtual lockstep - at their rated speed. There are a million analogies that I could use, but the bottom line is that there are assumptions and statements in Tom's article that just aren't right.
Maybe the module was cherry-picked and maybe it wasn't, but, if nothing else, a sample of two doesn't make for much of a study. After all, if the retail module had been DOA, a pedantic person could say that GeIL cherry-picked the evaluation samples and sends all the defective modules to retail.
-h-
Better make that "a company". Also, reading the article gives an interesting view on the value of Wal-Mart, particularly the last few paragraphs:
Wier had determined to lead Snapper to focus on quality, and through quality, on cachet. Not every car is a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry; there is more than enough business to support Audi and BMW and Lexus. And so it is with lawn mowers, Wier hoped. Still, perhaps the most remarkable thing is that the Wal-Mart effect is so pervasive that it sets the metabolism even of companies that purposefully do no business with Wal-Mart.
-h-
Not miniscule, but not a tragically high number. The lead in solder accounts for less than 0.5% of the lead in use world wide. The big lead use? Batteries. 80% of lead in the world is in batteries.
And, in Europe, I wonder how much lead flashing on roofs affects health? I'm told (so I don't have anything to back this up) that lead flashing is all over the place there. Rain falls on the roof, runs down the lead flashing into the gutters and then into the river or ground water supply, carrying lead with it. Eliminating lead (and other hazardous stuff in electronics) helps, but it's really a drop in the bucket, so to speak.
-h-
Step 3: Hook up with a meglomaniacal business shark with enough charisma to attract a cult following.
If Woz got over it, you can too.
So, then, my badge number (being 90000, as opposed to 00009) would get me on the list? Sweet...
That's self-deprecating humor, I hope...
Lucky you. None of the Dimension home range have the option, even the shiny 64-bit Core Duo machines.
Lucky me - maybe. The only reason that I need XP64 is because the machine is a workstation with 12GB of RAM. 32 bit Windows will only address 4GB of memory on this system, so XP64 was the only choice. However, there are plenty of apps that I use on a daily basis that won't run on XP64, so here I sit with two computers on my desk: one for electrical simulations and one for email, PDA and that sort of stuff. To be honest, I would have rather had regular XP (well, to be honest, I would have rather had Linux, but try telling our software vendors that), but the memory limit was a pretty big problem.
To make things even worse, our corporate IT department is utterly clueless when it comes to maintaining an XP64-based system. None of their automated tools will work on the system, so everything must be done by hand - meaning that very little gets done. In a small company maybe that wouldn't be a problem, but figure that there are around 30,000 computers in the company...well, the tiny percentage running XP64 get short shrift, that's for sure.
-h-
I've never seen an option to get Windows in 64bits on the Dell site.
You didn't look very hard. My Precision 470 came with XP64:
Important: Not all current applications and/or peripherals are compatible with 64-bit and may not function properly. Be sure to verify compatibility with all application and peripheral vendors prior to purchasing a Dell Precision platform with a 64-bit operating system.
Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2 with media
Genuine Windows® XP Professional SP2 without media
Genuine Windows® XP Professional x64 w/ media
Genuine Windows® XP Professional x64 w/o media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 No Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 with Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 64bit No Media
Red Hat Linux v4.0 64bit with Media
Amen, brother. You took the words right out of my mouth...er, keyboard.
Those banners are SO amature.
Indeed, but they had no spelling errors.
So as you feel your skin cancer forming and watch the ice caps come washing over us, just remember it isn't because of mankind, President Bush says so.
From the article:
Although Bush and his top advisers have said that Earth is warming and human activity has contributed to this...
Regardless, I'm not much in favor of the politicizing of scientific research and I suspect that you feel the same way. Facts are facts, spin is spin. The cynic in me, though, fully expects any administration to exert control over its employees when it comes to statements regarding official policy and, unfortunately, global warming definitely bears on official policy.
-h-
...read Perfect Vision without Glasses (now in the public domain) by William H. Bates. It works.
Right on! Just like that perpectual motion machine that I'm going to patent!
-h-
Heheh, there's not enough in my wallet to matter...
-h-
But, leave it to a geek to write up a reason rather than getting out there and running those few miles.
Amen. Breaking out my broad brush, it looks to me like there are no big differences between geeks and everybody else when it comes to rationalizing reasons for why they can't do something very well.
Today we can't "single task". Yesterday we were dyslexic. The day before we had ADHD. God knows what we'll be tomorrow. I guess that geeks are no different than anybody else when it comes to problems looking for blame.
Funny thing, last year around this time, I couldn't make it from the parking lot to my desk without breathing hard. Now I run or bike a few miles every day. The problem isn't being forced to not multitask - we used to have a perfectly good word for the situation. It's called boredom. Exercise is boring! In my case, though, the choice was be bored a half hour a day or be dead. Seemed like an easy choice.
-h-
How about 20 minutes at lunch three times a week, then a good cardio workout on the weekend? Works for me!
It's like anything else, I guess - you get out what you put in.
-h-
One of the key reasons to have a jury is so that they can judge the law as well as the case!
The jury's decision is based on the facts of the case. The judge makes his ruling based on the law. In a non-jury case, the judge rules on both the facts and the law. The jury does not make decisions based on law.
-h-
Both look about the same to me:
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I guess I still have some time to spend...
Nobody got rich from a public sector job, especially being governor of Arkansas. Clinton lived in the governor's mansion - he didn't own a house. The current governor's salary is about $75,000 a year.
Cabinet secretary salaries are about $170,000 a year. Running the CIA probably qualifies for that pay level - it definitely doesn't pay more. Good money, but nothing to build a vast fortune with.
Incidentally, the president's salary is $400,000 per year - again, pretty good money, but that's not why they ran for president. And it's only recently that the salary was dramatically raised. Of course, there are a lot of perks that come with the office...
I put a lot of faith in Forbes' ability to estimate personal wealth.
Now, after leaving office...maybe that's a different story. It certainly is with the Clintons!
Maybe the best thing to take away from this is that the guys with all the money aren't the ones running for the office. They guys with the money are just footing the bill (and you can draw whatever quid pro quo conclusions you want from that!)
-h-
...al Wahhabi and al Saud- the two "Arab terrorists" that George W Bush's grandpa Prescott armed to create Saudi Arabia...
Wow, talk about skewed history. Now, if you want to say that Prescott Bush helped to fund the Nazis, you might be able to back that up with a few conspiracy theories, but you really managed to come up with something bizarre here.
-h-
Beer in Jordan? I'm pretty sure it's legal. It's not Saudi Arabia or anything...
I had a few when I was in Aqaba. The story that I got was that there is only one brewery in the country. It wasn't good beer, but it was cold and wet. It also had a picture of King Hussein on the label.
-h-
Name one president who wasn't worth over $30 million in the last 40 years
I'll bite - all of them!
George W. Bush: $13,000,000
Bill Clinton: $930,000
George H. W. Bush: $2,000,000
Ronald Reagan: $4,800,000
Jimmy Carter: $2,200,000
Gerald Ford: $1,100,000
Richard Nixon: $1,300,000
Lyndon Johnson: $19,000,000
That's 40 years' worth of presidents. Info courtesy of Forbes, from their estimates of presidential wealth when in office.
-h-
...Arabs are funny and sociable.
MY GOD, ARABS ARE PEOPLE!!!!
And playing way out in left field, it's kalirion!