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Recently we've added a new bookmark function that logged in users can use to maintain public lists of URLs for tagging and sharing with the world. You can read the bookmark faq to answer a few specific questions, check out the global bookmark lists that can be tagged, journaled over, or submitted as stories. Read on for notes on what we're planning for this.

The idea is that URLs are bookmarked, either using the javascript bookmarklett thingee or by directly visiting the bookmarks page. But when you are DONE bookmarking and tagging your URL, you can then write a journal or story submission about them. On a related note, journals are now directly submittable to Slashdot editors as well.

We plan to add RSS exporting as well as a few other features, but mostly what we're going to try to do is figure out ways to mine bookmarks for stories. You can best help by tagging bookmarks on the global bookmarks pages. This is all very experimental, so your help is appreciated.

Now as always on Slashdot we appreciate your feedback and bug reports. You can do this the slashdot SF project page. Or even better you could visit the site and consider submitting patches. Ideas are never in short supply here- time to code them all ALWAYS is. Join the mailing list! Or just start bookmarking and tagging stuff. Lastly, thanks to Tim Vroom who put all of this together.

update to clarify a point for the readers- this system is primarily an extension of our submission bin. You are welcome to bookmark & tag for your own pleasure, but our intent is that this system eventually be used to help us find content for the mainpage. So of course the functionality has overlap with other sites. No huge shock there. But our intentions is to use user bookmarks & tags as another input channel for editors picking stories for the audience.

171 comments

  1. Let me be the first by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny


    to say that I'm glad dupe and spell check have been added.

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    1. Re:Let me be the first by IAmTheDave · · Score: 5, Funny

      to say that I'm glad dupe and spel check have been added.

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    2. Re:Let me be the first by truthsearch · · Score: 1, Funny

      Grammar Nazi added I do want. Schnell!!!

    3. Re:Let me be the first by Mathiasdm · · Score: 1

      And they wonder why you guys lost the war...

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    4. Re:Let me be the first by GigG · · Score: 1

      They they haves?

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  2. Google Bookmarks by neoform · · Score: 4, Informative

    Isn't this pretty much the same sorta thing as http://www.google.com/bookmarks/ ?

    Just seems like a nice way for a site to get it's users to index the internet for it..

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    1. Re:Google Bookmarks by generic-man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...which is the same as Yahoo!'s My Web, which is similar to del.icio.us (since bought by Yahoo!), etc., etc.

      But it has TAGS! They're like meta keywords but they're totally Web 2.0ified with scriptaculity!

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    2. Re:Google Bookmarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Isn't this pretty much the same sorta thing as http://www.google.com/bookmarks/ ?

      Make sure you don't use Slashdot bookmark to bookmark the Google bookmark.

    3. Re:Google Bookmarks by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      If this is Web 2.0, can we just skip to Web 3.0?

    4. Re:Google Bookmarks by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      But it has TAGS! They're like meta keywords but they're totally Web 2.0ified with scriptaculity!

      So true.

      Speaking of tags, is it just me, or are tags on Slashdot stories just a complete indictment of the whole idea? They're like a craptacular subset of the actual story (the words in tags almost always exist in the story), harkening back to the days when we weren't capable of properly searching data, so we had to rely upon terrible tags.

    5. Re:Google Bookmarks by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Yes, and just like google you can't delete bookmarks either..

    6. Re:Google Bookmarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Sneetch Tech -- use the star off machine (click the star so it's off). That will delete the bookmark.

    7. Re:Google Bookmarks by naChoZ · · Score: 1

      FYI, you can delete google bookmarks. Just unstar it.

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    8. Re:Google Bookmarks by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      moronic.. still no way to delete the your slashdot bookmarks. But then again, there is no whay to edit a submission. So what else would one expect.

    9. Re:Google Bookmarks by Pneuma+ROCKS · · Score: 1
      Isn't this pretty much the same sorta thing as http://www.google.com/bookmarks/ [google.com] ?

      I would say that at this point there's nothing you can do or try to do that Google hasn't done or is planning to do.

      All betas, of course.

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    10. Re:Google Bookmarks by RLiegh · · Score: 1

      The idea is to harvest the bookmarks as a way to help provide content for the front page. That actually makes sense to me (the idea behind tags remains a mystery, however).

      No idea about delic.ous, but I don't think google or yahoo bookmarks are used for as content delivery outside of themselves, are they?

      I mean, I just crawled out of bed and haven't had my first coffee of cup yet; but I can't be the only person who read that part of taco's blurb, can I?

    11. Re:Google Bookmarks by Greedo · · Score: 1

      The idea is to harvest the bookmarks as a way to help provide content for the front page. ... so that we don't lose more ground to Digg.

      (the idea behind tags remains a mystery, however) ... so that you are more inclined to look for other people's bookmarks that might interest you, bookmark them yourself.

      Basically, this sounds like a mash-up between del.icio.us and Digg.

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    12. Re:Google Bookmarks by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
      I mean, I just crawled out of bed and haven't had my first coffee of cup yet; but I can't be the only person who read that part of taco's blurb, can I?

      Consider your audience. Yes. Yes you can.

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    13. Re:Google Bookmarks by rapidweather · · Score: 1

      The Flock web browser has a setup where you can share bookmarks. I don't use that feature, but I do use Flock, it is based on Firefox. I have it in my livecd linux, see signature, below for screenshots of Flock in action.

    14. Re:Google Bookmarks by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Informative

      You seem to have completely missed the point. Tags aren't an alternative to text searches. They're an alternative to conventional categorization. Meta tag overloading isn't really a problem in most tag system implementations, and by the success of del.icio.us, it seems to be a very effective organizational system for web content. You can still do a text search on the collection, but tags give a more intuitive way of grouping related articles together using the benefits of folksonomy, which increase with the the size of the userbase. So Slashdot's implementation of tags seems to be very appropriate.

      I stumbled across the above link while exploring LibraryThing as part of the research I've been conducting for a network library application I'm developing. I was looking for a way to categorize/catalog the ebooks in a virtual library and found conventional catagorization techniques to be inappropriate for a virtual collection. Genre hierarchies seemed inadequate for a collection not limited by physical restrictions. Most books tend to belong in multiple categories, and many subcategories have more than one obvious parent category. Tags seemed to be the perfect solution to the problem as it did not rely on a specific view of how things should be categorized and used a more web-like structure rather than the rigid hierarchical structure of conventional classification systems. This is also more in line with the web's overall structure where all the nodes are interconnected by hyperlinks in a folksonomic organization.

      I would recommend reading that article and doing some more research on folksonomy before you dismiss the practical benefits of tagging as opposed to alternative organization methods.

    15. Re:Google Bookmarks by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      You seem to have completely missed the point

      No, I haven't missed the point whatsoever. There is nothing about most uses of tags/folksonomy that is above and beyond a simple text search (and noun/subject analysis is not exactly rocket science. If tag clouds were useful beyond "ooh, ahh...shiny!" uses, it'd see more real world use). Yeah, I've read Shirky's piece, and like many of the genre, I think it's a giant mound of bullshit, eaten up and repeated by a bunch of easily swayed Believers.

      If I come across strongly on the subject, it's because I feel strongly. Invariably if one dismisses tags, or points out how utterly redundant they usually are, the classic retort is "well you just don't get it!". No, I get it entirely. I just don't buy the snake oil.

    16. Re:Google Bookmarks by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      If you did understand what purpose tags were designed to serve, then you wouldn't be making the argument that text-searches obsolete the use of tags. And you have yet to suggest a better way to categorize/group virtual content that would be more effective than the use of folksonomic tags.

  3. Blog ? by karvind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is it too different from a blog thingee ?

    1. Re:Blog ? by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Funny
      How is it too different from a blog thingee ?

      Bah, you don't get it, do you? This is all about MINDSHARE! After Mindshare you get Innovation. And, after Innovation, you get Web Traffic. And, after Web Traffic, you get Dupes!

      It may not make sense now, but one day, young grasshopper, you will understand. Now, where did I put my percosets?

    2. Re:Blog ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You now understand.
      CmdrTaco invented the blog.

    3. Re:Blog ? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      You must be new here.

      Slashdot is a blog.

      http://slashdot.org/about.shtml
      In the beginning there was no Slashdot. Bored and confused geeks would scribble "First Post" in the sand. Grits were strictly for consumption and there wasn't a place to get nerd oriented news. Then in September of 97 Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda changed all that. With the help of Jeff "Hemos" Bates and others, Slashdot has stumbled forward with the simple mission to provide 'News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters'.

      Today Slashdot is owned by OSTG, but it is still run by many of the same people as it was 'Back in the Day'. Today we serve millions of pages to hundreds of thousands of readers. But the goal is still the same.
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    4. Re:Blog ? by HardCase · · Score: 1

      PROFITS, dammit! You left out profits!

    5. Re:Blog ? by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1
      percocets

      In the second drawer, next to the oxycontin and xanax.

      You should try harder to remember these things.

  4. Redundancy by SarekOfVulcan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, and we should use this instead of del.icio.us why, exactly? Might be good to put on the FAQ list.

    1. Re:Redundancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because Slashdot's got a midly less annoying domain name?

    2. Re:Redundancy by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well eventually every themed website of sufficient size is going to have them, so you can organize your bookmarks around those sites instead of wading through your bookmarks menu in your browser.

    3. Re:Redundancy by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Ok, and we should use this instead of del.icio.us why, exactly? Might be good to put on the FAQ list.

      Good or bad, right or wrong, I use slashdot, I've only looked at del.icio.us.

      I'm a mobile computer user, and I'm in the market for an online bookmark service. Unfortunately, I'm happy with Safari's bookmarking features. Apple-D a nice menu comes down asking for the title of the bookmark, and which folder I want to put it under. DND bookmarking is possible, and then putting the bookmarks into the top of the browser so that it is always accessible is nice as well. Oh, and when a site is bookmarked and I type an URL into the location box, odds are its either the top selected item in my history, or at worst its in the top 5 with 5 characters or less of input.

      So, I'm looking for a remote bookmarking facility. Here are my requirements:

      1) Synchronization with Safari across machines so that I can either view my bookmarks online, say on a public machine, or I can import the bookmarks into my browser of a machine that I use frequently.

      2) Being that I have friends here on slashdot, it would be nice to get notification of their bookmark changes or browse my friends bookmarks sorted by date added in reverse order :)

      3) Ability to have bookmarks listed as private and public. This is important. I have my online banking bookmarked for convenience for me I find it unnecessary for everyone who knows me to know every bank I deal with. Same would go for other things I would prefer to keep private, yet bookmarked.

    4. Re:Redundancy by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      I don't need that functionality.I prefer them in One place(my browser) and not share them(nothing unique to share).
      If i wanted to share some site i would post on a forum .This del.ici.ous feature is like a giant overhyped meme pool.

    5. Re:Redundancy by clear_thought_05 · · Score: 1

      The reality of the situation is about market share. Slashdot does make money off of advertising (ads, etc.). While that itself is not a bad thing, it is an important point to keep in mind when questioning their decisions. If I can keep people longer on slashdot or coming back that increases my traffic which can translate to returns on ads, etc.

      In truth the relevance, creativity and uniqueness of slashdot has been degrading for years. Other sites often publish news faster or have a better selection. If this site doesn't come up with new creative and/or popular things that people can use (or hopefully will use) then the whole site will lose relevancy and eventually its readers.

      Of course, that's a more 'capitalistic' view of recent changes (bookmarks, tagging, etc.), but I don't see it as totally off base.

    6. Re:Redundancy by pjp6259 · · Score: 1

      del.icio.us does most of what you want.

      1) I don't think it really inter-operates with safari, but I'm guessing you'll be hard pressed to find many bookmarking services that do. But, it does allow you to export your bookmarks to xml, so I guess you could write a perl script or something to turn it into a native safari format (or one may already exist).

      2) Assuming your friends use del.icio.us, you can subscribe to their account, and when they bookmark something it will show up in your del.icio.us inbox. Alternatively, if you don't want everything they mark, they can put 'for:yourName' as a tag, and it will get sent to you.

      3) Del.icio.us allows you to mark your bookmarks as private so no one else can see them.

      (I don't work for del.icio.us or anything like that, but I'm pretty happy with it. I do wish they would allow multi-word tags, but other than that, it does pretty much anything I want. )

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    7. Re:Redundancy by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      That's what you prefer. Other people have other preferences. Del.icio.us has actually generated a lot of useful data on social dynamics and folksonomy systems. Besides, there are a lot of useful applications for integrated shared bookmarks on a community website. The summary mentions that this system is meant to help editors pick news submissions. Saying that shared bookmarks are useless because your browser supports bookmarks is like saying that blogs are useless because you already keep a journal, or flickr is useless because you already have a photo album. That's just narrowminded thinking.

    8. Re:Redundancy by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      Flickr is useless becuase we have tinypic.com and of dozen image hosts
      Blogs are just glorified single-user moderated forums.
      You can make a forum dedicates to link harvesting and rating in 5 minutes.
      Your own forum.

      All this web2.0 hype for nothing

    9. Re:Redundancy by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      Tinypic is a terrible website, and why is Flickr useless just because there's another image-hosting site out there? Should there only be one webhost, one internet messageboard, one news site, etc. on the internet? Does Tinypic have the same features/functionality as Flickr? Similarly, blogs don't serve the same purpose as forums, not even close. You're oversimplifying the purpose of these sites to fit your narrow perception of the web. Just because two sites have similarities doesn't mean that one precludes the other.

      You're making gross equivocations of complex applications to much simpler ones with unmatched feature sets because you can't see the usefulness of the additional features on these sites. The fact that you seem to think that slashdot bookmarks and del.icio.us are redundant just because you can bookmark webpages on your browser shows that you don't know how to make logical comparisons from which to base your arguments. Your browser bookmarks folder doesn't allow you to share links with other people; it doesn't provide a dynamic tagging system for organizing the bookmarks; it doesn't allow for discussions on the bookmarks; it doesn't let you access your bookmarks from any computer you want; and it doesn't help you meet other people with similar interests as you. You might as well say that notepad precludes Open Office.

      And how is an online journal the same as a messageboard? Oh, because you can post text on the internet with both of them? Then I guess a database driven CMS is just the same as an online forum too, right? Just because a lot of idiots like to substitute one for the other doesn't mean that they are appropriate substitutes.

      Perhaps it's because of the prevalence of your attitude that a lot of incompetent website administrators don't bother building a real website and setting up an appropriate back-end for it; they just use a blog or messageboard script. However, professional web admins don't use a messageboard or blog script as a CMS. The only people who use blogs/messageboards as an all-purpose CMS are people who don't know how to develop real web applications and can't setup anything else. Nothing worth developing can be accomplsihed simply by tweaking a forum script.

    10. Re:Redundancy by labreuer · · Score: 1

      It'd probably be asking too much, but /. could require that the bookmarks be of slightly higher quality than the typical del.icio.us (yuck) bookmark, unless we want to rely on the popularity measure as the ultimate measure of relevance, which works really well when over 90% of people don't know what they're doing...

    11. Re:Redundancy by thornist · · Score: 1

      But, it does allow you to export your bookmarks to xml, so I guess you could write a perl script or something to turn it into a native safari format (or one may already exist).

      delicious2safari does the job, no fuss, no muss. Nice job to the author.

    12. Re:Redundancy by snoozebutton · · Score: 0

      .Mac takes care of #1. Keeps Safari bookmarks synced across computers, or accessible from the mac.com site when you log in from any machine.

      Not sure about the other two.

  5. Great New Idea! by gasmonso · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is absolutely del.icio.us!!

    http://religiousfreaks.com/
    1. Re:Great New Idea! by pHatidic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly, all this is doing is splitting the online bookmarks sharing market into even smaller and smaller silos, subtracting value from end users. Why doesn't Slashdot just work out a deal with del.icio.us so that Slashdotters can mark the fact that they have a Slashdot account in their del.icio.us preferences, and then have those bookmarks be minable by the Slashdot editors. That way it would be easier for the Slashdot editors, better for del.icio.us, and would actually add value to the Internet instead of further splintering the market.

    2. Re:Great New Idea! by empaler · · Score: 1

      There's also an endless amount of tech news sites, but this one is my preferred one. I've visited del.icio.us and disliked the interface, but I might actually use the /. ookmarks. (Not that slashdot is prettier, I'm just accustomed to it)

    3. Re:Great New Idea! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      Why doesn't Slashdot just work out a deal with del.icio.us so that Slashdotters can mark the fact that they have a Slashdot account in their del.icio.us preferences, and then have those bookmarks be minable by the Slashdot editors.

      Hey, man, you might as well just suggest that we cross the streams

    4. Re:Great New Idea! by caluml · · Score: 2, Interesting
    5. Re:Great New Idea! by MarkByers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly, all this is doing is splitting the online bookmarks sharing market into even smaller and smaller silos, subtracting value from end users.

      Yes! Choice and competition are bad and evil! While we're at it, we should get rid of Firefox for splintering the web browser market.

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    6. Re:Great New Idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I digg it!

    7. Re:Great New Idea! by pHatidic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your analogy is broken because Firefox doesn't take advantage of the network effect. The more people that use a particular online social bookmarking service, the more value there is for each user. I'm not saying there shouldn't be different approaches, but it would be nice if there was some sort of standard so that they could interoperate with each other.

    8. Re:Great New Idea! by sootman · · Score: 1

      Wow! They've even got dupes! :-)

      Stromcode - AJAX: Building a Spy
      source: del.icio.us
      posted: 04/13/2006 05:03AM
      ...
      AJAX: How to make your own Spy page
      source: digg
      posted: 04/13/2006 05:31PM

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    9. Re:Great New Idea! by Iaughter · · Score: 1
      Exactly, all this is doing is splitting the online bookmarks sharing market into even smaller and smaller silos, subtracting value from end users. Why doesn't Slashdot just work out a deal with del.icio.us so that Slashdotters can mark the fact that they have a Slashdot account in their del.icio.us preferences, and then have those bookmarks be minable by the Slashdot editors. That way it would be easier for the Slashdot editors, better for del.icio.us, and would actually add value to the Internet instead of further splintering the market.

      While "importing" bookmarks from browsers, del.icio.us (http://del.icio.us/api/posts/all), google, ma.gnolia.com, yahoo, etc (does MS have social bookmarking yet?), is a great idea, slashcode is opensource. Hell, it even has its own O'Reilly book.

      I'd love to offer a friendly, clean social bookmarking service to my users. Where can I get the del.icio.us source? (I'm a heavy del.icio.us user (del.icio.us/Iaughter) and I resent giving my bookmarks to a multinational corporation.)

      Sure, digg's comment moderation sucks (or the majority of digg posters really are idiots), but digg's bottom-up system of "generating" news has alot to offer. A good reason to stick with slashdot is that it's released under the GPL. Walking the walk, as it were.

    10. Re:Great New Idea! by sootman · · Score: 1

      Hate to reply to myself, but I just noticed this on their page:

      Why diggdot.us?
      Digg, slashdot, and del.icio.us- this is a constant browsing cycle for us. So why not combine them into a unified format without all the extra chrome? We can eliminate dupes and add some extra niceities. [emphasis added]

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    11. Re:Great New Idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I shall Furl your post.

    12. Re:Great New Idea! by Deideldorfer · · Score: 0

      The more people who use Firefox, the more webmasters are motivated to fix their sites to work correctly with Firefox. So, Firefox does benefit from some network effect, which I have certainly noticed over the last few years.

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    13. Re:Great New Idea! by mhh5 · · Score: 1

      um.. try pligg ? or any of the other digg-like wannabes?

  6. I Can Dig It by cybrpnk2 · · Score: 1, Informative

    This will be a great new way for Slashdot users to dig for what others find interesting!

  7. Wow by blackmonday · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let me be the first to say: I find this to be a delicious new feature!

    1. Re:Wow by SarekOfVulcan · · Score: 1

      Not even close to first. :-)

  8. Benefits by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems the primary benefit is to help slashdot find good articles to post about. For bookmark management and sharing there are plenty of other places to go. However many here do read each others journals, so maybe this will turn more into a community of bookmarks instead of delicious' million random links. I guess I'm saying it has the potential to be a more social system since /. has such a large community.

    1. Re:Benefits by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      I hope someone creates the username SlashPr0n and bookmarks lots and lots of pron.

      Kinda like Foobies, but with tags.

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  9. Tags? by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 1

    I've seen them for about a day when they were first introduced, after that they are gone. What happened to them?

    (and yes, I've got them enabled in my preferences)

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    1. Re:Tags? by Rolan · · Score: 1

      You probably installed a buggy version of the Slashdot Firefox plug in which keeps them hidden. Get a new version and they'll be there.

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    2. Re:Tags? by bert.cl · · Score: 1
      I don't know, but I can still see them.

      However, I'm not sure if they're working very well, since at April Fool's, a lot of tags where saying "gay!" and "straight" instead of informative tags. So you're not really missing out

    3. Re:Tags? by Bromskloss · · Score: 1
      I've seen them for about a day when they were first introduced, after that they are gone. What happened to them?
      Perhaps you are using the "Slashdotter" extension for Firefox (and possibly others) which can hide tags.
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    4. Re:Tags? by g0at · · Score: 1

      He's not the only one. I'm using Safari (release) on Mac OS X, and like the OP, I saw the tags the first day, and never since.

      The bug is on slashdot's side.

      -b

    5. Re:Tags? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
      I've never seen them. The first day, I saw a note (and link to the tags faq). At that time, tags were only available to certain people.

      Since then, I haven't seen a tag-gone thing. Of course, I haven't had mod points since I was bitch slapped years ago. Maybe it's related.

      I'm not using slashdotter or greasemonkey; tags are enabled in my preferences.

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    6. Re:Tags? by jamie · · Score: 1
      Tags were briefly (a few hours) made visible to all users due to a bug. I'm assuming that's what you all saw.

      Our intent so far has been to only let the users who have tag-writing permission see the tags on stories. At some point we'll open it up to everyone, but for now it's still a closed beta.

    7. Re:Tags? by Liselle · · Score: 1

      Wait, I thought only subscribers could see tags? I've been seeing them since they debuted, and I let my subscription lapse quite some time ago.

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    8. Re:Tags? by jamie · · Score: 1
      FAQ: "Currently tagging is only open to subscribers and some users."

      (when it was only open to subscribers, it read differently :)

  10. This needs a better name. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think we should call it Sla.shd.ot.

  11. Suggestion by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mentioning digg here isn't trolling or flamebait. But you could have provided a constructive comparison of /.'s new bookmarks to digg. Example:

    * Digg links gain popularity through votes. It seems /.'s links are like del.icio.us. The more people add a link the more popular it'll be.
    * Digg's whole site is based on link popularity. Slashdot has article posts still moderated by humans. The bookmarks are simply another source of information.
    * Slashdot has a community of people who flag each other as friends and foes, read each others' journals, etc. Digg is full of only random meaningless comments.

    1. Re:Suggestion by quokkapox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Digg is getting better fast. They implemented barebones threaded discussion not long ago and I'll eat my hat if they don't add adjectives to moderation fairly soon. They've got problems (more dupes than slashdot, for one), but they're moving fast.

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  12. Spiffy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll use the bookmark function so I can read on how to use it some time later.

  13. Slash.icio.us? by fak3r · · Score: 0, Redundant

    While most posts will complain that this is too similar to http://del.icio.us/ why not figure out a way to partner with del.icio.us so that there could be something like http://slash.icio.us/ where people could create bookmarks that would appeal to the Slashdot crowd?

    I use del.icio.us because it's easy and it works, plus there's already a ton of relevant links to find anytime I'm doing research on something (it's far more tageted and 'prescreened' than google) so I could see it as a natural extention of the "News for nerds" mantra.

    1. Re:Slash.icio.us? by caffeination · · Score: 1

      You might want to consider notifying del.icio.us in some way before creating a slash subdomain on their server for them. Your plan is in the wrong order.

    2. Re:Slash.icio.us? by fak3r · · Score: 1

      You might want to consider notifying del.icio.us in some way before creating a slash subdomain on their server for them.

      it's not my site, I can't create a subdomain for them, the provided URL was merely an example or a suggestion if you will.

      Your plan is in the wrong order.

      how so? I am suggesting an idea that makes more sence, and again, as I'm not the site owner of del.icio.us (or more specifically icio.us) or Slashdot I have no way of independantly implementing such changes. I fail to see what other order I could go in...

    3. Re:Slash.icio.us? by caffeination · · Score: 1

      It was in fact a joke.

  14. Re:Let me be the first to digg it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *dugg*!!

  15. It's been dugg by SoCalDissident · · Score: 1

    Or you could provide a digg to the Digg about slashdot, which links back to this story. What happens if you Digg /. and /.-effect Digg? It's like some infitinate loop (of course, since nobody ever RTFAs, I guess it doesn't matter much).

    1. Re:It's been dugg by truthsearch · · Score: 2, Informative

      And the very first comment on that post is the perfect example of why I don't like digg. For 11 minutes now this comment is still visible:

      wrong board

      marked as spam /. sucks

      On /. that would have been modded to nothing in 10 seconds. Plus the article isn't spam.

    2. Re:It's been dugg by jargoone · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? The digg story linked to is not on the front page. Take a look sometime at the comments on the non-front-page stories here. You might be surprised.

  16. Change this also...... by Neon+Aardvark · · Score: 0

    The newest comments should by default be the first thing you see, with the oldest aka 1st post at the bottom of the page. This would stop the inane "first post" dash thingie, and allow people to dwell upon the story at hand, in a leisurely manner. The idiotic wank-fest nature of slashdot will be somewhat reduced if you implement this measure, thereby making the World a slightly better place to live for us, and for our children, and for our children's children. And verily, our children are our future, are they not? You're welcome.

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    1. Re:Change this also...... by Cred · · Score: 1

      So how often you read book from the end to the beginning?

    2. Re:Change this also...... by Neon+Aardvark · · Score: 0

      Imagine a book that anyone can contribute to, if they feel like it.

      The person who writes the first thing that comes into their head writes the first few pages, and therefore the first thing that anyone sees when opening the book. The cleverer, more thought-out comments are scattered somewhere toward the back.

      Would you read that book?

      --
      Azural - instrumentals
    3. Re:Change this also...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa, whoa, slow down... If it weren't for so many idiotic wanks spending 5 hours a day on slashdot trying to get first post, a lot of actually decent sites might get a lot worse if they had to absorb some of those wanks. Let slashdot stay a wank-fest. It makes the rest of the net a nicer place to be.

    4. Re:Change this also...... by mopslik · · Score: 1
      The newest comments should by default be the first thing you see, with the oldest aka 1st post at the bottom of the page.

      Except that you'll end up with a series of comments that don't make a lot of sense until you wade through them all to the end, and have to go back and read them all again.

      ...

      Why would you make hundreds of changes before checking it out anyway? How would you know which change caused your table to move too far to the right?

      ...

      It's not trivial if you're a student, trying to save money where you can.

      ...

      In the end, the cost is trivial.

      ...

      Are you kidding me? Not only should you be doing multiple changes at once (instead of rebooting every time you change padding:1px to padding:2px), but now you don't have to purchase two computers just to test your page!

      ...

      Apple's new BootCamp is useless for web design because you'd have to spend all of your time rebooting your computer just to see the changes you made to your CSS files.

      Ahhh, so that's how it all ties together!

    5. Re:Change this also...... by chivo243 · · Score: 1

      while you're at it, lose this whole mod thing, my sig used to read: If I had 4 friends that frequented /. I too could be modded up to "5 Distracting!"

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    6. Re:Change this also...... by Cred · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't because per your description, the first page could change after I've read it. What you are talking about is not the final book, which I would like to read. Consider this, 100 comments where the newest is an reply to the oldest (first) post. How would this be displayed sanely? Would you move the oldest (first) post from the bottom of the page to the top of the page under the newest (last) post?

    7. Re:Change this also...... by Neon+Aardvark · · Score: 0

      Under my system (patent pending), individual threads of replies would appear with the oldest first, and the newest at the bottom (by default).

      However, each direct "reply" to the actual story (the initiators of these threads) would appear with the newest first, and the oldest at the bottom (also by default).

      This would be a big improvement, and I can't believe I got modded down to a zero for suggesting it. For shame, Mr /. mods, for shame.

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      Azural - instrumentals
    8. Re:Change this also...... by mopslik · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, never even tought about grouping in there. I suppose that could work as well. However, this is Slashdot -- in the end, I'm sure that the older messages (despite being posted earlier) would be read last and downmodded as "redundant".

  17. To CmdrTaco by quokkapox · · Score: 1, Interesting
    It's nice that you're adding features, but could you repeal the permanent mod point bans on some of us? There are people here who read and contribute and would like to moderate but never get a chance. I don't want to create another userid and wait another six months until it "matures".

    Just give us back our occasional mod points, and maybe explain what we did wrong which caused them to be taken away in the first place.

    And also, could you please add a place where we can discuss this very sort of thing and not be modded offtopic?

    This site depends on its users. I'm a user. You're supposed to listen to me.

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    1. Re:To CmdrTaco by truthsearch · · Score: 1

      While I do think /. needs a place to discuss slashdot-related issues, this statement is just wrong:

      This site depends on its users. I'm a user. You're supposed to listen to me.

      The owners of a web site can ignore their users. This isn't a public service. Taco isn't your elected representative. You're not entitled to anything. If you don't like it, don't whine about it. Just leave.

    2. Re:To CmdrTaco by RangerRick98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The owners of a web site can ignore their users.

      Not a smart idea when some of their users pay for the site.

      If you don't like it, don't whine about it. Just leave.

      Brilliant attitude. Then nothing is ever improved. Whining--or, more accurately, constructive criticism--leads to positive change if it's listened to.
      --
      "You're older than you've ever been, and now you're even older."
    3. Re:To CmdrTaco by truthsearch · · Score: 1

      And as I said, there should be a place to post these issues. But thinking you're entitled to some attention is rediculous. If the owners of a site want to ignore their users it's their prerogative, whether or not it be to their peril.

    4. Re:To CmdrTaco by RPoet · · Score: 1

      It's nice that you're adding features, but could you repeal the permanent mod point bans on some of us?

      Hear, hear. Some of us lost moderation privileges in a dumb moderation war four years ago. We get the point now; we're sorry we moderated that comment, and we promise not to do it again. We've had four years to think our faults through. We're loyal and value-producing slashdot members. Can we be treated like that again, please?

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      "Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
    5. Re:To CmdrTaco by flagweb · · Score: 1

      After reading your whiny obnoxious comment, I think I understand why you got banned. My vote (which does not count for didly, and I'm ok with that) is DON"T give this guy his mod points back. I got over the fact that my submittals don't make the cut very often, and that my mod points (which I still have) only make a marginal dent. I am NOT the most important user on this site. Obviously, the editors think the same of you. Get over yourself. You are just a geek like the rest of us here. Nothing to whine about here, move along.

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      Ernie Dambach
      "It is no small thing to celebrate a simple life -Tolkien
    6. Re:To CmdrTaco by caffeination · · Score: 1
      And also, could you please add a place where we can discuss this very sort of thing and not be modded offtopic?
      I know this is a little late now, but maybe we should usetrolltalk? It wouldn't require any action from the editors, and it'd piss the trolls off. Two birds with one stone! I'll remember to repost this suggestion next time this comes up. I bet Taco would be in favour of this too!
    7. Re:To CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, maybe if trolltalk wasn't being crapflooded into unusability by the DEDICATED CARPFLOOD SERVAR almost constantly? You could petition Taco et al to block crapflooding IPs I suppose, but it's extremely unlikely they will bother to do so.

  18. Not just big! by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The point is that it is targeted not just large. I feel like people who take the time to delve into /. tend not to be the same kind of people that just spew moronic crap on Digg and the like. The best part about /. is the community that keeps it as good as it is. If you go to a /. tagged bookmark site you have a better idea of what you are going to get.

  19. Holy Web 2.0 Batman! by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 1

    First CSS now meta tagging and community bookmarks. Whats next!? Will I wake up coffee in hand only to find /. all AJAXed out with satellite imagery and SlashSpace personal pages with photosharing!?? I feel like I am really riding Web 2.0 into the future.

    1. Re:Holy Web 2.0 Batman! by caffeination · · Score: 1

      lol slash me

  20. I have an idea by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    In your date formats, include the year. I never know which of two articles is the dupe unless I pull out a calendar to see what year has the article date falling on a Monday/Thursday/whatever.

    1. Re:I have an idea by Laur · · Score: 3, Informative
      In your date formats, include the year.

      You can change this in your preferences, under "Homepage." I use the "Sun Mar 21, '99 10:00 AM" setting myself.

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      When you lose something irreplaceable, you don't mourn for the thing you lost, you mourn for yourself. - Harpo Marx
  21. Public vs. private bookmarking by technopinion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This and delicious may be great for making site suggestions to the masses (or promoting your own site), but how about when you want bookmarking to actually be useful? I've been using http://www.ifaves.com/ a lot and find it great for personal private bookmarking. Set it as my home page, auto-login, use their bookmarklet for adding new pages, and it saves me a ton of time trying to remember what sites I want to revisit, plus lets me share bookmarks with friends without having to do it up in an email.

  22. Top 10 bookmarks by FerretFrottage · · Score: 4, Funny
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    "Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
    1. Re:Top 10 bookmarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you got it wrong. Goatse only ranks 3rd, surpassed by tubgirl, and both surpassed a strange ghosting software that runs under Linux. Weird.

  23. Half an hour to read one post!!!!!! by omar.sahal · · Score: 1

    Even more ways to waste my time, thank you Slashdot.!

  24. Wait a minute... by Cytlid · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...you mean there's other websites? Besides Slashdot? I've been doing this since 1999 and noone let me know?!?!

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    FLR
    1. Re:Wait a minute... by XFilesFMDS1013 · · Score: 1

      Great. Another person who nevers RTFA.

  25. Should help reduce dupes by stienman · · Score: 1


    Ideally this'll be set up so when an editor goes into the submission bin stories are grouped according to the relationship they have to each other (5 stories pointing to the same link, for instance) and the best one can be chosen. Later if any other stories come in it will show that the link has already been used, and they can either be rejected or put aside for the occasional slashdot follow up link story.

    In the end, this is a feature for the editors, not a general bookmarking service.

    -Adam

  26. And if I may add... by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

    "Digg is full of only random meaningless comments."

    excepting of course when said comments are copied verbatim from /.

    --
    What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
  27. Feature request by caffeination · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How about giving us the ability to remove and/or modify in any way the tags we've already made. These aren't ephemeral comments that go away after a day or two, they're long term displays.

    Give us some power over our own work please. Some of us work like Slashdot editors, with a tendency toward dupes and typos.

    1. Re:Feature request by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Preclaimer: I've ticked No Karma Bonus for this post, I'm assuming there's some indicator for this. I don't know what it does, but I'm hoping it avoids karma whoring my own post.

      I've done some checking, and if you craft the URL yourself, you can go to

      slashdot.org/bookmark.pl?url=http%3A%2F%2F[myurl]
      and it'll bring up your bookmark for that url for you to edit.

      Still no deleting though.

      On second thoughts, I'll just post it anonymously...

  28. lemon party by twitter · · Score: 1
    It's on the bookmarks. Don't go there.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  29. This is old! by caffeination · · Score: 1
    Old news! Slashdot has had bookmarks for ages!

    Submitter must be pretty badly out of the loop.

  30. Bah! by pen · · Score: 1

    All I really want is to be able to bookmark comments and articles with one click. Kuro5hin/Scoop has had this feature (named Hotlist) for years, and has allowed me to keep track of my favorite articles.

  31. Edit? Delete? by mshiltonj · · Score: 1

    How do I edit or delete bookmarks I've added??

    1. Re:Edit? Delete? by Fitascious · · Score: 1

      I have the same question

  32. Re:Here are a couple of bookmarks for ya by molarmass192 · · Score: 1

    I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico

    Actually, that would make for a very interesting documentary. My guess is that anybody attempting this experiment will be tossed into a Mexican prison on relatively short order.

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    Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
  33. rss by deviceb · · Score: 1

    this site specific news should have been seperated from main RSS feed.

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    Kill your TV
  34. Usefullness/Feature Request... by dcowart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hi Slashdot Editors & Mods, I like the idea that tags give a way to codify information based on small words with commonly accepted meanings. My Feature request would be that clicking on a tag didn't edit the tag, but brought up a list of global bookmarks or articles with that tag. So let me click on the 'anime' tag and get a list of people's 'anime' tagged bookmarks. I want the tags to be a search feature. I think this would make the tags even more usefull.

    Also, how are "Popular" bookmarks figured out? By the number of people bookmarking the same site, or by the number of people following the link?

    --Donald

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  35. http:///..org by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slashdot's domain name is intended to represent stuttering: "http colon slash-slash-slash dot-dot org". How is this significantly less annoying than del.icio.us?

    1. Re:http:///..org by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      GP said mildly less annoying. And it is. Every time I hear about del.icio.us I can't help but think about how retarded a name that is.

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    2. Re:http:///..org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...said mooingyak (720677). :-P

    3. Re:http:///..org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I know is that a Google search for "delicious" returns del.itio.us as the top hit. So its annoying URL doesn't bother me all that much.

    4. Re:http:///..org by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Easy enough to say anonymously :)

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  36. That's not the point... by Vorondil28 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, and we should use this instead of del.icio.us why, exactly? Might be good to put on the FAQ list.

    You don't get it.

    CmdrTaco:
    But when you are DONE bookmarking and tagging your URL, you can then write a journal or story submission about them. On a related note, journals are now directly submittable to Slashdot editors as well.

    The point is not to replace sites like del.icio.us, but to use a system similar to del.icio.us as an alternative way of submitting links/stories/etc to the editors for posting. If you want to use /. bookmarks insetead of del.ico.us, that's fine, but keep in mind that's not why it was designed and implemented.

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  37. Re:Here are a couple of bookmarks for ya by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

    The children of immigrants always speak English. The immigrants themselves may have trouble with English, but that's because it's very hard to learn a foreign language past a certain age(Did your parents take a foreign language during high school or college? Do they still remember it?), but the children, raised here, will know English better than the native language of wherever their parents come from. Always. My Latin teacher's father came here from Italy(during the times when Italian immigrants were much more common, and Italians and the Irish took the place Mexicans take today), and he only knows Italian from the things he's tried to teach himself from textbooks. I'll bet one of your ancestors came here from another country, or are you a Native American? The US has always been a nation of immigrants, and as much as you looked to find the one quote from a Founding Father which can be strained in a hugely incorrect way to be anti-immigrant, we have always been a nation of immigration(although the people have always hated immigrants, for the same reasons even) Don't like immigration? I'd say to go to somewhere else, but then you'd be an immigrant there. Immigrants didn't destabilize the US economy any of the other times, they won't destabilize it today.

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    Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
  38. Easy Bookmarking by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    I'd prefer a much simpler UI. The "Related Links" box at the bottom of the right column of boxes next to the story summary, should have checkboxes next to each "related link". And a text field into which URLs can be drag/dropped, copy/pasted or typed.

    A really nice UI would add a "Slashdot bookmark" item to the right-click context menu, so I can add any link to that box by right-clicking and selecting that item.

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  39. Let's use a 'frontpage' tag!!! by romcabrera · · Score: 1

    So that, they'll know we want THAT to go to the frontpage... Best of two worlds!! We could have in the frontpage the "omelette" (if you have read the FAQ you know what i'm talking about), and at the same time, the most tagged stories/bookmarks from readers!

  40. StumbleUpon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one will stick with StumbleUpon for socail bookmarks. http://www.stumbleupon.com/

  41. Re:Here are a couple of bookmarks for ya by dancpsu · · Score: 1

    >> Don't like immigration? I'd say to go to somewhere else, but then you'd be an immigrant there. Immigrants didn't destabilize the US economy any of the other times, they won't destabilize it today. That's all fine, but the OP wasn't talking about immigration. He was talking about *illegal* immigration, with not only breaking the law to get over the border, but working under the table for illegally low wages. Essentially there is now a dual economy in the U.S. One for citizens and one for illegals. You have all kinds of taxes and regulation to hire a citizen, but there are no regulations or taxes to hire an illegal alien. In fact since it's all in civil law, there is no jail time either, just a fine that you can avoid with ever-changing corporations and sub sub contracting. Also, since the country is so litigation happy, it makes a lot of sense to hire someone who could never sue you because it's illegal for them to be working for you in the first place.

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  42. Does interoperate with Safari by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Actually del.icio.us does interoperate with Safari, albeit indirectly. They provide two javascript links, one to "Post to delicious," and another to visit "My delicious" that you can put in the address bar. Except for not having a hotkey to activate it (like Command-D), it's very convenient. I've never used the public/private bookmarks features, but the whole thing works very well for sharing my bookmarks between my Macs at home and my work PC, without leaving anything on the work PC besides a cookie and a few additions to the toolbar.

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    "Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
    1. Re:Does interoperate with Safari by thornist · · Score: 1

      In Safari the first 9 (maybe 10) bookmarks on your bookmarks bar get CMD-1 to CMD-9 (maybe CMD-0) as keyboard shortcuts. So i have CMD-3 as add to delicious for example. I don't actually use the bookmark bar except for via these shortcuts.

  43. Your wrong ... by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    It would be sla.shdo.ts (hoping Transylvania exists ? ;))

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    --- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
  44. So if Google ... by drachenstern · · Score: 1
    Isn't this pretty much the same sorta thing as http://www.google.com/bookmarks/?
    I would say that at this point there's nothing you can do or try to do that Google hasn't done or is planning to do.

    All betas, of course.
    So if they already tried asking her out, what did she say?

    Oh if only google would implement a service like this for all of us /.ers out here!!!
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  45. Nonsense by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

    1.You don't have only tinypic(there dozens more) and you can even tag your images.
    2.I never said there should be only one forum,one host,one news site.I like diversity in the web(as long its useful).
    3.I can share share my bookmarks by Posting a Thread Titled 'My Bookmarks' or "share your Bookmarks" on a forum.
    4.Blogs don't have much more funtionality then a moderated forum,where you post your own stories. And you have even less features them a Real forum.
    5.Dynamic tagging system or ratings doesn't stop bots or ignorant masses to
      assign their garbage top score.And don't forget Advertisement.
    6.I can access all of my bookmarks if i use them from a network drive or my website hosted on some server.
    You can make a freewebs page in few seconds and post your bookmarks there.
    7.Social aspects of bookmarks
    "and it doesn't help you meet other people with similar interests as you. You might as well say that notepad precludes Open Office."

    There MUCH BETTER venues and options to Meet Other People.IRC Instant Messaging VOIP FORUMs WebChat/websites and Newsgroups are way superior then you pitiful bookmarklets sharing site.

    Notepad for all it matters excellect and fast editor (in fact i mostly use Metapad,a notepad replacement to get my work done).I know here alot sladhot people who Work with Vi and Emacs
    exclusively.
    8."Then I guess a database driven CMS is just the same as an online forum too, right? "
    Yes.Your forum/blog are database driven entities.

    9."Nothing worth developing can be accomplsihed simply by tweaking a forum script."

    EXactly.

    1. Re:Nonsense by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      1.You don't have only tinypic(there dozens more) and you can even tag your images.
      2.I never said there should be only one forum,one host,one news site.I like diversity in the web(as long its useful).

      Then why did you claim that Tinypic precludes the usefulness of Flickr? Your entire argument has been: there's already something that is (slightly) similar, so there's no purpose for X.

      3.I can share share my bookmarks by Posting a Thread Titled 'My Bookmarks' or "share your Bookmarks" on a forum.

      Yea, just like instead of a photo gallery you can just post a thread titled "my pictures," or instead of an online store, you can just post a thread titled "my store." It's still not going to replace the applications out there which were developed specifically for these tasks. A messageboard is not an all-purpose solution for every web application. It doesn't offer any of the features that a robust custom-tailored web application offers. A messageboard thread won't let you rank the bookmarks, or group them, or browse them by tags, or allow slashdot editors to refer to them for news submissions.

      4.Blogs don't have much more funtionality then a moderated forum,where you post your own stories. And you have even less features them a Real forum.

      Why would you want all those unnecessary features if you simply wanted to run a blog? Why would you want extra pages and clutter for users to navigate through in order to view your blog?

      5.Dynamic tagging system or ratings doesn't stop bots or ignorant masses to assign their garbage top score.And don't forget Advertisement.

      What does that have to do with anything? Does a messageboard prevent any of that? What does "assign their garbage top score" even mean? Yea, ok, I won't forget advertisement...

      6.I can access all of my bookmarks if i use them from a network drive or my website hosted on some server.
      You can make a freewebs page in few seconds and post your bookmarks there.

      Yea, that's a lot more convenient than just using del.icio.us or slashdot's bookmarking interface, and I'm sure it'll provide all the same features too...

      7.Social aspects of bookmarks
      "and it doesn't help you meet other people with similar interests as you. You might as well say that notepad precludes Open Office."

      There MUCH BETTER venues and options to Meet Other People.IRC Instant Messaging VOIP FORUMs WebChat/websites and Newsgroups are way superior then you pitiful bookmarklets sharing site.

      So I guess the social aspect of Slashdot is useless too because there's IRC. Those are completely different applications, and the whole point of a social bookmarking website is to implement a social aspect to sharing bookmarks over the web. Combining feature sets is what sets these sites apart from others that offer similar features. Del.icio.us gives people topics to talk about, just like Slashdot does, that's the whole point of having these sites. You might as well argue that image IMs are unnecessary because you can just post images to an angelfire page or FTP, or that radios in cars are a bad idea because they're "inferior" to your home stereo system.

      Notepad for all it matters excellect and fast editor (in fact i mostly use Metapad,a notepad replacement to get my work done).I know here alot sladhot people who Work with Vi and Emacs exclusively.

      Once again, what does that have to do with this discussion? Yea, I use notepad to code a lot of times too. What's your point? Do people only use Word to make webpages or write C++ code? The bottom line is Word and notepad are completely different applications and they are suited for different tasks. Just like local bookmarks and shared bookmarks are designed for different purposes.

      8."Then I guess a database driven CMS is just the same

  46. Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

    ironic to see you posting this on the site while "it was never designed to be an all-purpose back-end solution".

    1.There similar sites to compete with tinypic.com for example,I just put them in the same range as Flickr.com.

    "A messageboard thread won't let you rank the bookmarks, or group them, or browse them by tags, or allow slashdot editors to refer to them for news submissions."

    A modified forum script would have these features.Its not that significant:
    I seen many forums with karma systems,
    Moderator only forums(with submission queues,etc.)
    See http://www.phpbb.com/mods/ for example.
    "assign their garbage top score" ex:
    A group of harry potter fans would rank their Snape photos Top score.
    Advertisement:Think of spam.Links advertised by bots.

    " I guess the social aspect of Slashdot is useless" Its inferior.Even a normal forum has a community which is visible by member lists,thread archives,lists of subforums,and easy access to all features/threads for members.
    Slashdot is overhyped news blog,run by OSDN.The only aspects i see here is data sharing.

    "Del.icio.us gives people topics to talk about, just like Slashdot does, that's the whole point of having these sites."

    It doesn't look superflous to have all these features in your forum and del.ici.ous? Do your forum makes it forbidden posting pictures? Do they prevent discusion on pictures?

      You might as well argue that image IMs are unnecessary because you can just post images to an angelfire page or FTP, or that radios in cars are a bad idea because they're "inferior" to your home stereo system.

    Image IMs are different from IRC DCC sends? Does forum prevent you from sending IM IN The Forum,COntaining these same images?
    Did i mention you don't need a proprietary network to run those forum?
    Do the images lose quality or "social aspect" just because they sent from a forum,email,or IRC DCC feature?

    Everything on the web runs of different CMS,Except
    static pages.Forum is a Public CMS,Database driven:All people who have permission can add content.
    Different aspects:
    "Professional web admins don't use an online forum as a CMS"
    I said it is database driven,not that it better then a Dedicated CMS.

    1. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      What's ironic about posting that here? Slashdot isn't running a modified version of phpBB. Slashcode is a specialized CMS designed for newsites that facilitates threaded discussions and a unique peer moderation system. The forum-like aspect of the site is but a small part of the code.

      "A messageboard thread won't let you rank the bookmarks, or group them, or browse them by tags, or allow slashdot editors to refer to them for news submissions."

      A modified forum script would have these features.Its not that significant:

      If a forum were modified into a del.icio.us-like application, then it wouldn't be a forum anymore. There's a difference between a site for sharing/ranking/browsing bookmarks that also happens to allow you to comment on the bookmarks, and a discussion forum where people go simply to have free-form discussions on the web. If you have to completely change the layout and functional flow of the site, you might as well start fresh since you're building an entirely different application.

      I seen many forums with karma systems, Moderator only forums(with submission queues,etc.) See http://www.phpbb.com/mods/ for example.

      And I've seen minivans with DVD screens. Does that make them a movie theater? Combining feature sets is useful, as I said before, but just because there's a partial overlap of features doesn't mean the sites are functionally equivalent.

      "assign their garbage top score" ex: A group of harry potter fans would rank their Snape photos Top score. Advertisement:Think of spam.Links advertised by bots.

      Once again, what does that have to do with anything? Can a spam bot not post spam messages to a message board? And you don't seem to know how content rating systems work. Ofcourse a bunch of harry potter fans are gonna rate their harry-potter-related items high, and others who don't like harry potter as much will rate them lower. The overall rank will be determined by the average consensus of the site's userbase--that's how it's supposed to work. What is wrong with that?

      You're going off on completely irrelevant tangents. What is your point? That messageboards prevent people from advertising on them? A folksonomically organized link-sharing site such as del.icio.us handles spammers much more effectively than a messageboard. And all sites where users can submit their own content is going to be vulnerable to spamming.

      Slashdot is overhyped news blog,run by OSDN.The only aspects i see here is data sharing.

      I don't know what that's supposed to mean...

      It doesn't look superflous to have all these features in your forum and del.ici.ous? Do your forum makes it forbidden posting pictures? Do they prevent discusion on pictures?

      No, it doesn't look superfluous--because these sites aren't forums. If I wanted to go to a messageboard, I'd go to an actual messageboard. I come here to read the news items and participate in discussions on the news posts. A forum does not have the content generation system that Slashdot has, and the discussions aren't structured as comments to news items, and they don't have the same social features as Slashdot. I could post pictures on a messageboard, but that isn't going to be ideal for sharing photos with people outside of the forum, and it won't be organizable into galleries and grouped with related photos through dynamic tags.

      Image IMs are different from IRC DCC sends? Does forum prevent you from sending IM IN The Forum,COntaining these same images? Did i mention you don't need a proprietary network to run those forum? Do the images lose quality or "social aspect" just because they sent from a forum,email,or IRC DCC feature?

      IRC DCC sends don't let you view the image directly in the IM. But that isn't the point. You're just rambling on incoherently. I asked you whether image

    2. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      "So why did you claim that they were the same?"
      Did you stopped drowning puppies?
      Yes/No
      1.There similar sites to
      compete with tinypic.com for example,
      I just put them in the same range
      as Flickr.com.
      If i wanted to share some site
      i would post on a forum .
      This del.ici.ous feature is like a
      giant overhyped meme pool.
      Flickr is useless becuase
      we have tinypic.com and of dozen image hosts
      Blogs are just glorified single-user
      moderated forums.
      You can make a forum dedicates
      to link harvesting and rating in 5
      minutes. Your own forum.
      8."Then I guess a database driven CMS
      is just the same as an online forum too
      , right? " Yes.Your forum/blog are
      database driven entities.
      Forum is a Public CMS,
      Database driven:All people who have
      permission can add content.

    3. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      i can't
      understand your
      broken
      sentences.

      it might
      help
      if you
      stay
      on topic
      instead of
      going off
      on random
      tangents to avoid
      responding
      to my
      arguments.

      OK, that's really annoying.

    4. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      IS there anything to help you understand the question?
      Perhaps you should read what i think forum is .
      IN BOLD LETTERS,For clarity.

      Forums are Database Driven Entities
      Forums are Public CMS
      Forums NOT Equal CMS
      Forums is subtype of CMS
      Forums are Similar to CMS

      Now you claim forums are the same as CMS
      and claim i said it,just because you asked a YES/NO question which is ambiguous,
      like: Did you stop drowning puppies?
      ----
      is your grammatically correct,but logically flawed post makes sense?
      "And you seem to think that everything on the web is a messageboard"
      As much as i believe web(WWW) is made of spider silk...
      You should read posts instead of just replying."Everything on the web runs of different CMS"
      Forum is Type Of Software which is Public Content Management System.
      Agreed?
      Now you jump to "HE thinks everything on the Web is a Messageboard".

    5. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      Yes/no questions are not ambiguous. You simply chose to dance around the issue with tenuous similarities instead of just admiting that they are disimilar applications. Maybe you should learn how to give straight-forward responses instead of persisting to argue a moot point and then getting angry when you are confronted with the inherent fallacies of your argument.

      Clearly a forum cannot be used for all web applications, and not all web applications can be reduced to a modified messageboard. Yet when I demonstrated this by pointing out the inherent differences between these applications, you chose to make off-topic/irrelevant statements about vague similarities. Having vague similarities does not mean you can substitute one application for another. If two applications have disimilar purposes and features, then one does not make the other redundant. Such is the case with local bookmarks and link-sharing sites, and similarly with a link-sharing site and simply posting links in a thread on a forum.

      Read your own posts. Were you not trying to reduce every web application out there down to a "modified messageboard?" I was simply making the point that you were oversimplifying and equivocating vastly different applications. But when I mentioned a fundamental difference in the applications you compared, instead of acknowledging the difference, you would simply respond with statements along the lines of "but this feature is similar." Well, similar !== same, and just cuz they are vaguely similar doesn't mean that all the other major aspects in which they differe don't matter. Get it now?

      A home-stereo system doesn't make a car stereo-system worthless. Just like local bookmarks don't make link-sharing sites superfluous. They serve completely different purposes. Your initial comparison was flawed, and there's no point raising unrelated issues like but I can post links in a messageboard too. A message board is no more of a substitute for a robust web application designed specifically for a that purpose than are local bookmarks. You can mention all the vague similarities you want about them both being database-driven, or both being able to post information on the web, they aren't the same, not even close. All those similarities can be drawn between a million different applications serving different purposes, and they're just a way of evading the reality of things.

    6. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      The point is everything can be reduced to :Modified Forum Software.You just can't see the point:If modified enough CMS the forum based on can do everything you want,It not that
      I don't claim it superior or efficient :

      You can write even an Operating System out of Forum Software.Database will work as filesystem,Threads as process and posts as operations.File would be just large posts tagged as normal posts.Executing post contents would be like runnign a program.A script : a control post tellign it what to read/perform.A moderator(or authorised user) would post such script to execute anything he wishes.

      You can add calendars,Drawing programs,
      Flash games,Webchat, etc and embed it in the forum.

      "Having vague similarities does not mean you can substitute one application for another" Nonsense,i can substitute alot of Features by making alternatives or implementing them in the forum.

      You look like a farmer which is convinced his plow will never be substituted by more advanced methods or new technology.Myabe you have vested interest in some proprietary CMS ?( which is sharing most of it features with forum-type software ).Makign free forum software with those features would make your CMS worthless.
      Which inevitable when forum software development advances...
      "I can post links in a messageboard too"
      And that messageboard would allow me all the features of del.ici.ous or flickr.

    7. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      "Yes/no questions are not ambiguous"
      Why can't you say if you still drowning puppies or not?
      Did you still drowning puppies?
      Yes or No. No Ambiguation.
      Just answer.

    8. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      The ability to modify a messageboard and add features from other web applications to it is due to the fact that they are, in fact, web applications, and are coded in similar languages with similar features (which does not mean that PHP is redundant because ASP exists). It doesn't mean everything on the web is reducible to a messageboard--which you are claiming again, even though earlier you denied making such claims.

      You can add any desktop application feature to a BitTorrent client--does that mean that all desktop applications can be reduced to a BitTorrent client? My BitTorrent client has a browser in it, so does that mean that a browser is just a glorified BitTorrent client? Your reasoning is flawed and utterly absurd.

      And, no, I don't have a vested commercial interest in CMS's. If anyone, I think it is you who has the vested interest in a particular web application, which explains why you tout messageboards as the all-purpose solution for all web applications. It also appears that you are letting your commercial interests get in the way of your ability to think objectively.

      You can add whatever you want to your messageboard, but in the end it is still just a messageboard. It's not the second coming of the messiah, it will not make del.icio.us or slashdot obsolete, and it's sure as hell not gonna become an operating system. All it's gonna be is a hideous patchwork of disjointed code unless you re-write the whole thing, at which point it ceases to be a messageboard.

      Instead of making absurd arguments reeking of blatant self-promotion, maybe you ought to just design a super-messageboard to make slashdot or del.icio.us, or both, obsolete. Maybe you can replace SourceForge too and see how many people want to switch over from these sites to your messageboard. Or how about Gmail? It's probably just a glorified messageboard as well. I mean, I can send people written messages over the web using a forum, so Gmail must be superfluous. Shoot, all we need is a forum script, and we can do anything. That's such an elegant solution, I wonder why more professional enterprises don't adopt that approach instead of hiring expensive developers to build their custom applications.

      Get over yourself already. Your messageboard software isn't all that; it's not gonna make any meaningful web application obsolete. Real web developers will continue to produce new and innovative applications instead of just peddling the same old tripe even in completely inappropriate situations. And, aside from novice web admins, no one subscribes to your views.

    9. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      No, I didn't stop drowning puppies, because I never started drowning them to begin with. Your question relied on a false premise, but I can still respond yes or no, even without further clarification. I didn't answer your question because it was irrelevant--as are most of your statements:

      Saying that a CMS and a forum can both be database driven is completely irrelevant to whether one can be appropriately substituted for the other. Mentioning that you can send pictures using DCC sends has nothing to do with my argument that, just because you can post pictures on Angelfire, doesn't mean that other applications involving pictures are obsolete. Your responses were completely off-topic and didn't refute or even address my arguments. You simply responded just for the sake of posting a response, and since you couldn't defend your position, you'd just go off on an irrelevant tangent.

      And what the hell is "ambiguation?"

    10. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      "The ability to modify a messageboard and add features from other web applications to it is due to the fact that they are, in fact, web applications."

      What separates those application from integrating into forums? Doesn't Making Forum IM have the features of mail,And making a chatboard(a text chat channel,with archived pages)with IRC features,etc .All these features are
      not something Irreducibly complex and Hard to replicate.

      "coded in similar languages with similar features (which does not mean that PHP is redundant because ASP exists). It doesn't mean everything on the web is reducible to a messageboard--which you are claiming again, even though earlier you denied making such claims."
      "You can add whatever you want to your messageboard, but in the end it is still just a messageboard. It's not the second coming of the messiah, it will not make del.icio.us or slashdot obsolete, and it's sure as hell not gonna become an operating system. All it's gonna be is a hideous patchwork of disjointed code unless you re-write the whole thing, at which point it ceases to be a messageboard."

      So Its all depends how we call it?
      Then its matter of definition.
      Your Matrix-Portal-Script-Forum is still forum for me,even if people call it Blog.

      "You can add any desktop application feature to a BitTorrent client--does that mean that all desktop applications can be reduced to a BitTorrent client? My BitTorrent client has a browser in it, so does that mean that a browser is just a glorified BitTorrent client? Your reasoning is flawed and utterly absurd."

      If Your BitTorrent client has all of the features of Your WebBrowser and has other features,your WebBrowser becomes redudant.Browser is now a glorified,reduced subset of feature set BitTorrent client(without the BT features) presents.i.e. Inferior product.What makes it interesting,if one application has integrated all features possible you no longer Need an OS.
      Just run the Apllication.Or Login into it(the OS Web Mail Forum Script Web Apllication Thingy).Matrix-in-a-can.

      "And, no, I don't have a vested commercial interest in CMS's. If anyone, I think it is you who has the vested interest in a particular web application, which explains why you tout messageboards as the all-purpose solution for all web applications. It also appears that you are letting your commercial interests get in the way of your ability to think objectively."

      No i don't have commercial interest in this and i Don't really care about your commercial interests.
      I Just brought the point to criticize your conservative position.
      Sarcasm or whatever you like to see it as.My objective thinking Doesn't depends on Interests.I work by logic and check assertions.I defend my point of view,yes,as far as i can argue,if i see that my point has justification and viable answers to subject.
      I'm far from ideological zombie proclaiming his system and superiority to mankind.I present my arguments from philosophic point of view,not doctrine.
      Each of them has reasons.Why i would work purely for promotion of some software,just because i "supposedly" make it (and for
      the purpose of clarification: i don't make forum software/mods/web apllication ).In fact i don't even program(though i know abit of Basic) and never been a web administrator.I just discuss changes in technology from my worldview and theorize about potential solutions or answers.I'm more of a practical philosopher then programmer or software geek.which doesn't prevent me to know alot of these subjects.
      Such "Super-Forums" Btw already exist in limited form.Myspace Yahoo and web portals...They have limited amoutn of disjointed features under one site,and quite primitive compared to super-forums.

    11. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1
      In fact i don't even program(though i know abit of Basic) and never been a web administrator.

      That explains your oversimplistic views of various web applications.

      Even if someone added every possible web browser feature to a particular BitTorrent client, that does not demonstrate that a web browser is just a modified BitTorrent client. IE, Firefox, Opera, etc. are equivalent applications which can be appropriately substituted for one another. But simply being able to add browser features to another application doesn't mean that a browser is just a modification of that applciation.

      You are equivocating drastically different applications, such as blogs and forums, simply because you see vague similarities, but they serve completely different purposes, and this is self-evident in the diffference in the functional-flow of the website. I've given you tons of analogies which demonstrate flaws in your reasoning, yet you stubbornly continue to make inane statements about A and B sharing quality X--having one or two similar aspects does not account for the vast disparity in features and overall purpose.

    12. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      No, I didn't stop drowning puppies, because I never started drowning them to begin with. Your question relied on a false premise, but I can still respond yes or no, even without further clarification. I didn't answer your question because it was irrelevant--as are most of your statements:

      This isn't Yes/no answer .Its relevenat because you asked such questiosn earlier in the thread.You then proceeded to prove i "have inherent fallacies in my Yes/No" answer.

      If answer NO Its implies you Never Stopped drowning Puppies.But i see you never did.yes would imply you Stopped,but you never did.
      Does yes/no answer fits the question?
      Is question ambiguous? DO you see the conclusion?

      Now "Then I guess a database driven CMS
      is just the same as an online forum too
      , right? " If i ANswer No,Its wrong because its similar(infact a subset of CMS) ,And if yes,you will need clarifications(which you ignore like the
      answer to why you can't drown puppies)
      "Yes.Your forum/blog are
      database driven entities.
      Forum is a Public CMS,"
      You ignore everything past the Yes?

      "appropriately substituted for the other" as opposed from inappopriatly substituted.Do you need a license to make such substitutions? Doesn't being Database_driven make them use the same feature set databases provide?

      "Mentioning that you can send pictures using DCC sends has nothing to do with my argument that,
      My point was never "doesn't mean that other applications involving pictures are obsolete." Its was it HAS The Features i discussed.It will make them look obsolete in the unlikely case IRC cleint has all of the features and
      alot more they don't have.
      "Does forum prevent you from sending IM IN The Forum,COntaining these same images?"
      Now who is sidetrackign the subjecting into his "irrelevant tangents" of coceptions like :
      You might as well argue that image IMs are unnecessary because you can just post images to an angelfire page or FTP, or that radios in cars are a bad idea because they're "inferior" to your home stereo system."

      "Your responses were completely off-topic and didn't refute or even address my arguments."
      That becuase you don't read them carefully.I present On-topic quotes and
      Answers,and i refute every step.
      WHy reading is so hard? Do the responses
      don't fit your scheme of mind? Alien thinking? Ideas strange and hinting things,that
      you can't grasp? Or response written to explain further all of the points?
      Which you carefully evade,i assume?

      You simply responded just for the sake of posting a response, and since you couldn't defend your position, you'd just go off on an irrelevant tangent.

      Same thing applies to you,But i don't leave forum arguments and i rarely lose
      debates on forums.Irrelevant Tangents.
      I discuss all that is on-topic.If
      something that you need to argue about
      need clarifications why i suppose to never bring Examples,Quotes,Comparisions,Refutations,Logical reasonign and Analogies?
      I'm not a computer and its not a Yes/No question.I bring new material into discussion to further the debate not to impede it.
      These all are "relevant Tangents" or more precisely "relevant arguments".

      " And what the hell is "ambiguation?""
      Learn to use Google.If you need definition,There is Disambiguation in dictionary.com,which is composed of these words.In case that you're lazy
      or unable to see meaning of compounds,it jusy meanign making things more vague or ambiguous.

    13. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      "That explains your oversimplistic views of various web applications."

        Of course Only Experts Know the Truth.
      ANd to To see anything at all one must be the developer of forum software.

      "Even if someone added every possible web browser feature to a particular BitTorrent client, that does not demonstrate that a web browser is just a modified BitTorrent client."

      Its matter of definition,(And sophistry might i add) to continue arguing these hollow points.Well,its your choice.
      "Modified Bittorent Client" vs "Browser is now a glorified,reduced subset of feature set BitTorrent client(without the BT features) presents.i.e. Inferior product." I Compare the features,not definitions!But real value and content of meaning.(Words like "Browser" aren't set in stone actually).

      If it has Browser features its a browser,If it has Bittorent features its BiTTorrent client.
      Which has more features or which has subset of these features.IF You then Proceed to argue " The BitTorrent Client
      features are dominating the Browser Features" becuase it built for BT.
      Nonsense,Its matter of restructuring the Program to new modified interface or concepts.

      IF Then you argue,Its not a Bittorent Client any more,Its a (*GASP*) Browser with Bittorrent built-in/Integrated.
      Do you agree it has More features then normal Browser(which by now is Inferior product)

      "IE, Firefox, Opera, etc. are equivalent applications which can be appropriately substituted for one another"
      Wrong.They all have Unique features.
      My firefox can view unicode,And my Opera 5 Can't,It also unable to Run Java applets. Firefox don't have all those user friendly features built-in in opera
      like saving all your tabs,and history within then after you close it(yes,i know there is a plugin which somewhat resembles it).Doesn't make any of them less of a Browser.

      But simply being able to add browser features to another application doesn't mean that a browser is just a modification of that applciation.

        Redefinition in terms of feature sets.
      What is subset of what?

      "You are equivocating drastically different applications, such as blogs and forums,"
      I never thought posting in blog "radically different" then posting in a moderated thread,in a moderated forum only you(or moderators) can post to.
      In fact,i have such section in my forum(see link near my name).

      "simply because you see vague similarities," These are same features.
      COmmenting on Blog,Commenting on slashdot,Replying to forum thread.

      "but they serve completely different purposes, and this is self-evident in the diffference in the functional-flow of the website." I.e. These are different sites because "functional-flow" or "cosmic vibes" in the sites are different.
      Functional-flow,lets dissect it .
      >its Flowchart of Actions,event-driven process chain,Or Simply flow-chart.

      So you argue its so fundamentally different because Flowchart Actions (dependant on features of site) are different from forums(which is a weak argument to beguin with)?
      Post moderations systems and Main page
      are Fundamentally different from karma and New Threads? Moderation Queues are something Slashdot has invented in form of Article Selection and forums copy it.
      Clicking on Reply on Slashdot and Clicking Reply on Forums produce different Flowcharts.
      Friend/Foe system is somethign never implemented on forums,and HTML formatting is unique to Slashdot.
      Signature and Optional hiding of them must be unique.As well as Preview,lame lameness filters and dozens of "Fundamentally different,Self-evident,Functional-flow synergizing feature sets".
      Nothing new to see here move along.

    14. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      The fallacy of your reasoning wasn't in your yes/no answers. It was in the fact that you responded to each argument with completely unrelated information.

    15. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      each argument? Can you present any quote from the posts or subsequent replies? Maybe i can Explain that Irrelevant Information?

    16. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      Why do I begin?

      5.Dynamic tagging system or ratings doesn't stop bots or ignorant masses to
      assign their garbage top score.And don't forget Advertisement.

      What does any of this have to do with the discussion?

      6.I can access all of my bookmarks if i use them from a network drive or my website hosted on some server.
      You can make a freewebs page in few seconds and post your bookmarks there.

      We're talking about the functionality of local bookmarks, not what you can do with a network drive, or a free webhost. In fact, your second suggestion is just a clumsy and inefficient way of publishing your bookmarks on the web--isn't that exactly what you are trying to argue as being unnecessary because you have local bookmarks?

      There MUCH BETTER venues and options to Meet Other People.IRC Instant Messaging VOIP FORUMs WebChat/websites and Newsgroups are way superior then you pitiful bookmarklets sharing site.

      And what does that have to do with the fact that local bookmarks don't combine the social aspects of a web community with the function of keeping bookmarks? How you prefer to communicate over the internet is irrelevant to this discussion. Just cuz you prefer listening to music on a home stereo system doesn't mean that car stereos are superfluous.

      Notepad for all it matters excellect and fast editor (in fact i mostly use Metapad,a notepad replacement to get my work done).I know here alot sladhot people who Work with Vi and Emacs
      exclusively.

      Did I argue that notepad wasn't a good editor? Did I ask whether people on slashdot use vi or emacs? What does any of this have to do with the analogy I used for my argument: Word and notepad don't preclude the usefulness of each other, even though they're both text editors, since they were designed with different purposes in mind.

      8."Then I guess a database driven CMS is just the same as an online forum too, right? "
      Yes.Your forum/blog are database driven entities.

      Do you understand what "same" means? I wasn't asking you whether a CMS and online forum are both database-driven, or if they are similar. I asked you if they are the same just because they share a few vague similarities--an example being that both are able to post text on the web (or that both may be database-driven). Sharing a few vague similarities doesn't change the fact that they are entirely different applications designed for completely different purposes. A coloring book and a math book may be constructed of the same materials and share many similarities, but you still can't substitute one for the other because of their functional differences.

      "A messageboard thread won't let you rank the bookmarks, or group them, or browse them by tags, or allow slashdot editors to refer to them for news submissions."

      A modified forum script would have these features.Its not that significant:
      I seen many forums with karma systems,
      Moderator only forums(with submission queues,etc.)
      See http://www.phpbb.com/mods/ [phpbb.com] for example.
      "assign their garbage top score" ex:
      A group of harry potter fans would rank their Snape photos Top score.
      Advertisement:Think of spam.Links advertised by bots.

      Oh, those features aren't significant--even though they require entirely different data structures, table relationships, and interfaces, and by the time you make those modification you are no longer working on a messageboard. Right... And mentioning a few features that Slashdot shares with some messageboards doesn't change the fact that the applications you are comparing serve completely different purposes. You can mention that they both use HTML, HTTP, and both are

    17. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      I see you can't think of any connection.
      Something in your thinking process
      stop midway and discards answers as Irrelevent.

      5.Dynamic tagging system or ratings doesn't stop bots or ignorant masses to
      assign their garbage top score.And don't forget Advertisement.

      Is reply to :
      Your browser bookmarks folder doesn't allow you to share links with other people; it doesn't provide a dynamic tagging system for organizing the bookmarks;

      MY Browser, Does NOT uses advertised Links,
      SPammed and rated garbage ignorant Masses assign to THEir "Favorite" " Important" and "Unique" links.
      Why i need this "dynamic" Tagging to organize them? Why i need to come to site to use my bookmarks? Why not store them on floppy?

      6.I can access all of my bookmarks if i use them from a network drive or my website hosted on some server.
      You can make a freewebs page in few seconds and post your bookmarks there.

      There MUCH BETTER venues and options to Meet Other People.IRC Instant Messaging VOIP FORUMs WebChat/websites and Newsgroups are way superior then you pitiful bookmarklets sharing site.

      Is Reply to:
      it doesn't allow for discussions on the bookmarks; it doesn't let you access your bookmarks from any computer you want; and it doesn't help you meet other people with similar interests as you.

      Forums allow discussion on bookmarks
      You must admit it.
      Network drives and hosted files(I.e. Freewebs) Allows me to access them anytime i want.

      Doesn't help meet me other people?
      This is poor choice to meet people.
      I feel thats what most geeks do to meet people...goto social bookmarking site.
      Why is that superior(or even significant to compare) from full-fledged forum Instant messaging or IRC?

      Notepad for all it matters excellect and fast editor (in fact i mostly use Metapad,a notepad replacement to get my work done).I know here alot sladhot people who Work with Vi and Emacs
      exclusively.

      Is reply to:
      You might as well say that notepad precludes Open Office.

      What is wrong with using software that fits my needs? You can advertise Open Office twenty times a day but i won't budge a finger.

      8."Then I guess a database driven CMS is just the same as an online forum too, right? "
      Yes.Your forum/blog are database driven entities.

      Is reply to:
      And how is an online journal the same as a messageboard? Oh, because you can post text on the internet with both of them? Then I guess a database driven CMS is just the same as an online forum too, right? Just because a lot of idiots like to substitute one for the other doesn't mean that they are appropriate substitutes.

      You ask how they same? I reply?
      Then you complain how they not same,
      They same in the sense on being built of the same. A database.Database driven.
      Read the whole answer.VEry slowly.
      That every word reaches your mind.

      Yes.
      Your forum/blog
      are database driven
      entities.

      How you can crititize the way i subtitue appllication? Isn't that you would complain as Irrelevant?
      Doesn't personal Criticism much more Irrelevant to discussion? Oh well

      Just because a lot of idiots like to substitute one for the other doesn't mean that they are appropriate substitutes.

      Now who defines Appropriate? I or you?
      I seem to know enough to choose for myself.Thank you.

      "A messageboard thread won't let you rank the bookmarks, or group them, or browse them by tags, or allow slashdot editors to refer to them for news submissions."
      A modified forum script would have these features.Its not that significant:
      I seen many forums with karma systems,
      Moderator only forums(with submission queues,etc.)
      See http://www.phpbb.com/mods/ [phpbb.com] for example.
      "assign their garbage top score" ex:
      A group of harry potter fans would rank their Snape photos Top score.
      Advertisement:Think of spam.Links advertised by bots.

      Is reply to:
      A messageboard is

    18. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      Your browser doesn't provide features such as link-sharing, or tagging, therefore, it is not a substitute for del.icio.us or Slashdot bookmarks. Whether you like those features or not is irrelevant. Local bookmarks don't provide those features, del.icio.us and Slashdot bookmarks do.

      And how is carrying around a floppy on your person at all times more convenient than simply accessing Slashdot? That argument is even more half-baked. It simply demonstrates the need for bookmark-sharing sites since local bookmarks won't allow you to access your bookmarks anywhere you go without having to carry around another physical medium.

      And I never claimed that people rely on link-sharing sites to meet others. That has nothing to do with the argument. That is why your response that there are better places to meet people is irrelevant. My argument was that link-sharing sites provide social features that local bookmarks don't. You don't have to rely on it to meet people for the online community aspect of the site to enhance your experience. I don't rely on my car-stereo to listen to music, and the sound quality of my home system is much better. But a car stereo provides me with the ability to listen to music while I drive, whereas my home system doesn't. It doesn't need to be better sounding than my home system for it to be useful.

      What is wrong with using software that fits my needs? You can advertise Open Office twenty times a day but i won't budge a finger.

      Wtf? And you're telling me to work on my reading comprehension skills?

      It's become obvious that I'm just wasting my time trying to debate with you as you can't even understand what I'm saying (on a linguistic/semantic level). Your interpretations don't even come close to hitting on what I'm saying. I mean, why would I be trying to argue that Open Office is better than whatever text-editor you use, or try to get you to switch to Open Office? That doesn't even have anything to do with this discussion. I don't know what you're used to, but I'm not in the habit of going off on completely unrelated tangents during a debate.

      So until you can read and type better/more accurately and learn to stay on topic, I've got better things to attend to.

    19. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      Your browser doesn't provide features such as link-sharing, or tagging, therefore, it is not a substitute for del.icio.us or Slashdot bookmarks. Whether you like those features or not is irrelevant. Local bookmarks don't provide those features, del.icio.us and Slashdot bookmarks do.

      OK lets get it clear.Its relevenat Because i DONT USE FEATURES I DONT LIKE.

      YOur feature(social bookmarks) is what i not like.I don't use it and declare it useless.I don't object to the Idea of Bookmarks if its posted on discussion forum,If its for good reason.
      I just won't use Social Bookmarks.

      My Browser IS A substitute.Why use SocB when Social Bookmarks features is not Better then Usual Bookmarks.

      If i want sharing links i SHARE Them
      (in any way i like,without help of del.ici.ous swamp)
      If I want Tagging I describe or categorize them.
      Have you even seen folder and subfolders of bookmarks? Or Search function?

    20. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      And how is carrying around a floppy on your person at all times more convenient than simply accessing Slashdot? That argument is even more half-baked. It simply demonstrates the need for bookmark-sharing sites since local bookmarks won't allow you to access your bookmarks anywhere you go without having to carry around another physical medium.

      I never claimed it more convinient.I claimed an alternative.I Would post my bookmarks in my forum instead.In password-protected section.Outside of slashdot.
      And of course i would consider to use a floppy too if i wanted backups.

      It simply demonstrates Your ability to
        to make half-baked conclusions.

    21. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      And I never claimed that people rely on link-sharing sites to meet others. That has nothing to do with the argument.
      -
        it doesn't allow for discussions on the bookmarks; it doesn't let you access your bookmarks from any computer you want; and it doesn't help you meet other people with similar interests as you.
      -
      My bookmarks and My Social Interests are in Different Folders.
      Bookmarks don't Need To Help Me To Meet Others.I Can DO Such Amazing Things on My Own.This feature is redudant.
      I claimed that people could rely on social bookmarkign as an example :its inferior to most of apps.

      That is why your response that there are better places to meet people is irrelevant.
      -
      Why listing alternatives to features
      i deem inferior is Irrelevant? Explain.

      ex:You advertise a club where i can meet people who like music.
      But i tell you that place if full of thugs,and i don't even like music.
      I then tell you i prefer a quiet cafe.

        My argument was that link-sharing sites provide social features that local bookmarks don't.
      -
      They can provide feature i don't need or already have.I don't even Call these Features,i consider them "semanticWeb" Adverts.Social Bookmarking,Social Quotes,
      Social Guides,Social Citations, Social Libraries,etc You see any pattern?

      You don't have to rely on it to meet people for the online community aspect of the site to enhance your experience.

      What?SO you mean it redudant? Can i remove it?Thank you Mr Web Authority.
        I will delete The Bookmarks forum.No spamming websites in my forums.Presto.

        I don't rely on my car-stereo to listen to music, and the sound quality of my home system is much better. But a car stereo provides me with the ability to listen to music while I drive, whereas my home system doesn't. It doesn't need to be better sounding than my home system for it to be useful.

      What if i Choose not to use a car,
      Or even a stereo to rely on it?
      Maybe i have a portable player?

    22. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      What is wrong with using software that fits my needs? You can advertise Open Office twenty times a day but i won't budge a finger.

      Wtf? And you're telling me to work on my reading comprehension skills?

      Notepad for all it matters excellect and fast editor (in fact i mostly use Metapad,a notepad replacement to get my work done).I know here alot sladhot people who Work with Vi and Emacs
      exclusively.
      Is reply to:
      You might as well say that notepad precludes Open Office.

      I might as well say it.my opinion on Notepad(actually i use metapad for text and keynote for my database)
        that it make Open Office useless.Yes.You heard it.
      I don't use Open Office.Or Any Features Unique to it,obviously.I don't need them becuase i have equivalent or superior features.You can't advertise me the features i don't need.Or if you do so,i'm just ignoring such adverts.
      Hehe.mental image:
      Look my Open Office can DO SpreadSheets I(myself) Never Use! You must try It!

      Reading comprehension?I see the contents of all your text flawlessly.
      You just don't like my replies?

    23. Re:Group Blog(web2.0 for forum) Named Slashdot by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      It's become obvious that I'm just wasting my time trying to debate with you as you can't even understand what I'm saying (on a linguistic/semantic level)

      I understand you on my level(English isn't such a problem for me as you like to think).As long as you don't use long and/or obscure technical terms or slang.

      Your interpretations don't even come close to hitting on what I'm saying. I mean, why would I be trying to argue that Open Office is better than whatever text-editor you use, or try to get you to switch to Open Office?

      Because you clearly hint at the Idea
      Open Office is Superior becuase it has features X,and they are Must Have.
      No application is going to be more useful without them.Nothing can
      replace Open Office.Its One Solution.
      Your Perception of the idea above is flawed.

        That doesn't even have anything to do with this discussion. I don't know what you're used to, but I'm not in the habit of going off on completely unrelated tangents during a debate.

      I'm expirienced in "forum warfare"(or Social Discussion in Web 2.0),and use a bit of interrogation to get to the
      roots.I don't leave subjects unless
      I don't have anythign to contribute.
      On The subject of course.I just answer your replies.

  47. Import by padfoot21 · · Score: 1

    Now if they can only add import to google-bookmarks