In October 1972 Kahn organized a large, very successful demonstration of the ARPANET at the International Computer Communication Conference (ICCC). This was the first public demonstration of this new network technology to the public. It was also in 1972 that the initial "hot" application, electronic mail, was introduced. In March Ray Tomlinson at BBN wrote the basic email message send and read software, motivated by the need of the ARPANET developers for an easy coordination mechanism. In July, Roberts expanded its utility by writing the first email utility program to list, selectively read, file, forward, and respond to messages. From there email took off as the largest network application for over a decade. This was a harbinger of the kind of activity we see on the World Wide Web today, namely, the enormous growth of all kinds of "people-to-people" traffic.
"Most in the online business community recognize that what Napster is doing threatens legitimate e-commerce models and is legally and morally wrong." - Die Fueroren, Rosen
and skipping the judiciary process to get a preliminary injuction because you know you won't win a legitimate court case is what?
I, and 5 of my friends saw "The Ninth Gate" this weekend, which had such a stupid ending the whole audience had a big "WTF?!?!" expression on their face.
If Mission to Mars is worse the 9th Gate, I think all of Hollywood should be taken outside and beaten sensless
-Zebulun
(sorry, slightly off topic, but i wanna know if MTM is worse than 9th Gate, which is utter horse dung)
[HAL's shutdown] HAL: I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a...fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.
Dave Bowman: Yes, I'd like to hear it, HAL. Sing it for me.
HAL: It's called "Daisy". Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't afford a carriage. But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two.
I see it in a much simpler light. Amazon got a patent for a commonly used technology. They sued a competitor for using said technology.
I run a website. I don't want and can't afford to get sued.
I have to figure a large portion of/. sales lost will hurt. I know I did all my Christmas shoppin elsewhere. If my lost revenue doesn't have an impact maybe the gained revenue of their competitors will convince them to drop the suit.
Please, Do not buy me: 1. clothing and undergarments. I wear one pair of pants and one/. shirt and buying me crap from the GAP is appreciated but far from needed. 2. the newest Pop music CD the man said at the record store I'de love. I'm sure the Backstreet boys are fine singers, but that'll just be one more coaster in my bin of AOL cds. 3. any food or drink without either: caffeine or alcohol. Let's be realistic. It's either highly caffinated pop/cola or beer going down my throat.
But I would love: I can get clothes on my own: Buy me toys. Suggestions: 1. Nakamichi's® SoundSpace 8. I like tunes. Anything from The Sharper Image will be most adored. 2. Legos. Any amount, kind or style will be enjoyed on many dull saturday mornings. 3. Now, if you simply can't resist the urge to buy me apparel, then shop at Copyleft or Chaser. 4. Buy me any computer from VA Linux and I'll be a happy man. 5. I need fuel. An espresso/capiccino machine would be really nice. There are some decently priced ones and if you a some money to spend, I would love a pretty nice one. 6. Finally, a nice 62" wide screen tv that fits in my pocket would be nice, and its only $899.
I work for one of the named companies above on one of their many CAD suites they own. Believe me, we talked seriously about porting to Linux because of its stability, cost, and ease of porting from UNIX. Because of R&D cutbacks, we never did it. But I'm sure many CAD companies would do it if there was demand present. Legacy code is a pain to port to the win api.
one thing that strikes me as odd is that the G4, at least according to Apple, is native 128bit.. why take a step back.. if they are migrating Mac OS X to make full use of the G4 hardware it just doesnt make sense to have the next processor be 64 instead of 128bit.
Im so dissappointed. I thought that after I quit being a Mac fan, I wouldn't have to watch a company I love downward spiral.
I'm sitting in front of my R5k indy recalling the recent moves by SGI:
moving from MIPS to Intel (and I hate intels) (yeah yeah, they support both, but they've sold their controlling shares in MIPs and have been heavily marketing their NT VisualStation.. i can see thru the smokescreen)
Dropping one of the coolest logos in the industry for jafa (just another f** acronym)
and finally, hey folks, i like linux too, but how is SGI going to support Linux, IRIX, NT on machines with intel and Mips based processors while trying to tackle the OS, Hardware and Software industry with a reduced staff?
About 1 year ago, I handed the clerk at the front desk my Arden Hills Control Data Corp security badge as I walked out of a nearly vacant building with quiet dark hallways... a ghost of a once great powerhouse of computing innovation.. i just hope that you wont have to do the same.
Sorry if I seem ungrateful or trollish, but I think this whole meta-moderation is overkill.
I think to find a solution, look at the problem. We have too many comments with different levels of importance. why? because sometimes people want to just rant and rave, sometimes they want to post some additional info and sometimes they are just ignorant and should be taken out back and shot.
solution: (imho), have at least two categories per article to post in such as: rant and rave, or information
This way, if its a topic i feel passionate about, i can jump into rant and rave and write up a long schpiel, whereas if I happen to know more about it or think some facts are in dispute, the information side would be the best choice.
And I do agree that spell checking should be a higher priority.
Subject: Re: flash for SGI computers. Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:50:48 -0400 From: David Mendels To: xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx
Check out our web site in a few weeks -;)
At 01:56 PM 8/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >It's surprising to me you have a linux and sun port, but no Silicon >Graphics version (IRIX 5.3, 6.2, or 6.3). >I tried downloading the linux version, but it didnt work (probably cause >its made for x86 machines running linux). Anyways, its real >disappointing to have such a nice computer (supped up Indy) at work and >not be able to see pages with flash.. > >-Isaac Johnson >xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx >
Simply put, back in the early 90s when the web started taking off, there was little commercial interest and since it didn't have the kind of use it does today, technological developments were few.
With the explosion of people onto the web, the technology related to web sites (cgi, DHTML, Java, JavaScript, Flash, etc) has allowed sites with the ability to really provide dynamic, informative and most importantly current content.
As i recall when i used to parouse with mosiac and netscape 1.1n, all the pages were static unless someone spent the time updating things manually so, of course, surfing meant hitting mainly new things.
The real problem is that internet startups lack a product or good content worth selling. It seems that a lot of new internet startups rely on one of two things: banner ads, or internet sales. It seems to me that there are an aweful lot of sites trying to be an all-in-one solution. We have ebay for auctions, but now Amazon and Barnesandnoble want a piece of that pie too. I'm ranting off topic. My point is this:
For a business to make money on the internet, they have to have a unique idea, good content or product, and a well designed web site.
History: I remember hearing about Rev Jim Jones in the 70s (i believe).
Secondly, Morals:
Morals. The reason kids do these bad things is a lack of morals. There is no right or wrong anymore. I'm not saying that we should necc. bring religeon into classrooms or have some sort of cornball 50s approach to raising kids. But, especially for anyone who has seen that movie "kids", todays youth are pretty much told that saying no to anything or anybody is being intolerant. That being gay at age 13 is fine, but smoking a cigerette isn't. And if this total lack of right and wrong isn't bad enough, we keep telling our kids how sh*tty their future is going to be. How Social Security is in the crapper, their president is a player, the ozone is going. Turn on the news if you ever want to feel like the world is in a hopeless situation. So what happens: You get kids who live for the moment and really dont give a sh*t about the future.
Without church, of any kind, the afterlife is non existant or not worth striving for. Its just play now, who cares about later.
I work for a large company that owns us, a smaller CAD company and some of the perks they give software developers, at least at our place, is a free pop machine, donuts on mon, rols on wed, and beer after 3:30pm friday. 100% medical and stock options. Those are the ones that come to mind.
I was about to rip the article to shreds when i thought about what this future-social-elite "Net Set" person is: someone who knows how to really use the web. This is *not* a coder, a hacker, programmer, or computer junkie. Because coders, hackers, programmers, and computer junkies care more about creating their own set of rules, web sites, scripts, hacks, cracks and whatnot that they are more likely to spend their free time whippin up spiffy DHTML, a new app, or some dynamic perl underbelly to a site than tinker around the web using all that commercial shit out there.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that "Net Set" people are the flaky no-lifers that spend their time "surfing" and downloading, not inspiring or creating cause people who inspire and create dont have time to piss around the web.
But one needs to recover one's investment if one is to create the next piece of art.
You are 100% correct. We know how poor lucas arts is and how little money they made from SW:TPM. I mean, if they had commercialized it a little more and put out more official SW:TPM products then maybe they could afford to let people distribute poorly recorded copies over the internet.
I mean, seriously, I'm sure all of us, with our T1s, have been spending the 12 days to download the hacked up movie and I'm sure most of us have sold it rather than freely distribute it once downloaded, cutting into Lucas Arts profits.
We really should respect the wishes of a company so wonderful as to give the world Jar Jar Binks.
Some really cool things i learned about Quicktime 4/Quicktime TV. It streams over the net better than real's format becuase it has contracted out to a company that has thousands of dedicated servers accross the net so that your stream doesnt come from over saturated servers/connections but from a local dedicated server. The technology is supposidly better than reals (imho, it is, but its still arguable), and the server is open sourced (hence the linux quicktime server that recently came out).
BBC One already has a continuous live feed using the quicktime format.
-Z
"You're a better me than me" Jobs talking to Noah W.
That would be good in theory, but the truth is, with few exceptions, the news is broadcast to us by commercial entities. A newspaper, tv news station, radio or news web site relies on sensationalism to sell product. If they didn't report on what they thought their readers were itching to know about, they would loose customers. The value of the internet is that there are a lot more web sites out there which are relatively cheap to operate yet can deliver surprisingly well written news stories about whatever genre it is they cover (eg, slashdot). When a newpaper company must pay for every copy of the paper it manufactures which is outdated in 1 day, it must try to capture as large an audience as possible.
Though, i disagree with Katz on the idea that this is some revolutionary change brought about by the internet. I have the fortune of having many old pre/during/and post WWII Times magazines from my grandfather. It seems that the news is more tainted in those than today's news. I read about internment camps during WWII in the US in my Civics class in high school, one of the most incorrect and unjustified things America did in WWII. But to read the old Times article about them, you would think that they were resorts and only the bad Oriental Americans were put there.
To sum up, the biggest difference between news 40 to 50 years ago and news today is that technology, not neccesarily the internet (e.g. satellite feeds, cell phones, instant communication, email) allows for a much more violent, accurate, and awefull view of the world. News today is just as sensationalistic as before, but it is crammed down our throats and jammed in our ears until we can't stand to hear one more thing about it. The one thing the news has created for us today is a lack of heros, morals, and things to believe in.
This reminds me of a scenerio a few years ago with Apple who made quite a comeback. All I know is that if AMD leaves the market, I'm going back to Macs. I refuse to buy an intel based PC. Hopefully the K7 will kick enough ass to being AMD back to its full glory
Slashdot Mirror
[ Source: Internet Society: "A Brief History of the Internet" ]
"Most in the online business community recognize that what Napster is doing threatens legitimate e-commerce models and is legally and morally wrong." - Die Fueroren, Rosen
and skipping the judiciary process to get a preliminary injuction because you know you won't win a legitimate court case is what?
-Z
Nothing can compare?
I, and 5 of my friends saw "The Ninth Gate" this weekend, which had such a stupid ending the whole audience had a big "WTF?!?!" expression on their face.
If Mission to Mars is worse the 9th Gate, I think all of Hollywood should be taken outside and beaten sensless
-Zebulun
(sorry, slightly off topic, but i wanna know if MTM is worse than 9th Gate, which is utter horse dung)
From imdb quotes from 2001
[HAL's shutdown]
HAL: I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a...fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you.
Dave Bowman: Yes, I'd like to hear it, HAL. Sing it for me.
HAL: It's called "Daisy". Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't afford a carriage. But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two.
1Ghz Althon (granted its overclocked. but safely and guarunteed for 1 year).
been out for a month. Super G from Kryotech.
TomsHardwareGuide has reported on the easy of overclocking Althons and the problems getting a PIII to just go 50Mhz faster.
-Z
I see it in a much simpler light.
/. sales lost will hurt.
Amazon got a patent for a commonly used technology.
They sued a competitor for using said technology.
I run a website.
I don't want and can't afford to get sued.
I have to figure a large
portion of
I know I did all my Christmas
shoppin elsewhere. If my lost revenue
doesn't have an impact maybe the
gained revenue of their competitors
will convince them to drop the suit.
-Z
Here is a simple list:
/. shirt and buying me crap from the GAP is appreciated but far from needed.
Please, Do not buy me:
1. clothing and undergarments. I wear one pair of pants and one
2. the newest Pop music CD the man said at the record store I'de love. I'm sure the Backstreet boys are fine singers, but that'll just be one more coaster in my bin of AOL cds.
3. any food or drink without either: caffeine or alcohol. Let's be realistic. It's either highly caffinated pop/cola or beer going down my throat.
But I would love:
I can get clothes on my own: Buy me toys. Suggestions:
1. Nakamichi's® SoundSpace 8. I like tunes. Anything from The Sharper Image will be most adored.
2. Legos. Any amount, kind or style will be enjoyed on many dull saturday mornings.
3. Now, if you simply can't resist the urge to buy me apparel, then shop at Copyleft or Chaser.
4. Buy me any computer from VA Linux and I'll be a happy man.
5. I need fuel. An espresso/capiccino machine would be really nice. There are some decently priced ones and if you a some money to spend, I would love a pretty nice one.
6. Finally, a nice 62" wide screen tv that fits in my pocket would be nice, and its only $899.
I work for one of the named companies above on one of their many CAD suites they own. Believe me, we talked seriously about porting to Linux because of its stability, cost, and ease of porting from UNIX. Because of R&D cutbacks, we never did it. But I'm sure many CAD companies would do it if there was demand present. Legacy code is a pain to port to the win api.
just a quickie: Fast Company has been in print for quite some time. My dad's been trying to get me to read them for quite some time.
-Zebulun.org
one thing that strikes me as odd is that the G4, at least according to Apple, is native 128bit.. why take a step back.. if they are migrating Mac OS X to make full use of the G4 hardware it just doesnt make sense to have the next processor be 64 instead of 128bit.
just a thought
-Z
I'm sitting in front of my R5k indy recalling the recent moves by SGI:
About 1 year ago, I handed the clerk at the front desk my Arden Hills Control Data Corp security badge as I walked out of a nearly vacant building with quiet dark hallways... a ghost of a once great powerhouse of computing innovation.. i just hope that you wont have to do the same.
-Z
Sorry if I seem ungrateful or trollish, but I think this whole meta-moderation is overkill.
I think to find a solution, look at the problem.
We have too many comments with different levels of importance. why? because sometimes people want to just rant and rave, sometimes they want to post some additional info and sometimes they are just ignorant and should be taken out back and shot.
solution: (imho), have at least two categories per article to post in such as:
rant and rave, or information
This way, if its a topic i feel passionate about, i can jump into rant and rave and write up a long schpiel, whereas if I happen to know more about it or think some facts are in dispute, the information side would be the best choice.
And I do agree that spell checking should be a higher priority.
-Zebulun
maybe. I enjoy DBM Files in perl. Easy to set up, easy to use, and easy to create a web interface.
-Z
Subject: Re: flash for SGI computers.
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:50:48 -0400
From: David Mendels
To: xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx
Check out our web site in a few weeks -;)
At 01:56 PM 8/18/99 -0500, you wrote:
>It's surprising to me you have a linux and sun port, but no Silicon
>Graphics version (IRIX 5.3, 6.2, or 6.3).
>I tried downloading the linux version, but it didnt work (probably cause
>its made for x86 machines running linux). Anyways, its real
>disappointing to have such a nice computer (supped up Indy) at work and
>not be able to see pages with flash..
>
>-Isaac Johnson
>xxxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx
>
Simply put, back in the early 90s when the web started taking off, there was little commercial interest and since it didn't have the kind of use it does today, technological developments were few.
With the explosion of people onto the web, the technology related to web sites (cgi, DHTML, Java, JavaScript, Flash, etc) has allowed sites with the ability to really provide dynamic, informative and most importantly current content.
As i recall when i used to parouse with mosiac and netscape 1.1n, all the pages were static unless someone spent the time updating things manually so, of course, surfing meant hitting mainly new things.
-Z
(imho)
The real problem is that internet startups lack a product or good content worth selling. It seems that a lot of new internet startups rely on one of two things: banner ads, or internet sales. It seems to me that there are an aweful lot of sites trying to be an all-in-one solution. We have ebay for auctions, but now Amazon and Barnesandnoble want a piece of that pie too. I'm ranting off topic. My point is this:
For a business to make money on the internet, they have to have a unique idea, good content or product, and a well designed web site.
-Z
History:
I remember hearing about Rev Jim Jones in the 70s (i believe).
Secondly, Morals:
Morals. The reason kids do these bad things is a lack of morals. There is no right or wrong anymore. I'm not saying that we should necc. bring religeon into classrooms or have some sort of cornball 50s approach to raising kids. But, especially for anyone who has seen that movie "kids", todays youth are pretty much told that saying no to anything or anybody is being intolerant. That being gay at age 13 is fine, but smoking a cigerette isn't. And if this total lack of right and wrong isn't bad enough, we keep telling our kids how sh*tty their future is going to be. How Social Security is in the crapper, their president is a player, the ozone is going. Turn on the news if you ever want to feel like the world is in a hopeless situation. So what happens: You get kids who live for the moment and really dont give a sh*t about the future.
Without church, of any kind, the afterlife is non existant or not worth striving for. Its just play now, who cares about later.
-Z
I work for a large company that owns us, a smaller CAD company and some of the perks they give software developers, at least at our place, is a free pop machine, donuts on mon, rols on wed, and beer after 3:30pm friday. 100% medical and stock options. Those are the ones that come to mind.
-Z
The map was bogus. It was meant to get them lost.
or so i heard.
-Z
I was about to rip the article to shreds when i thought about what this future-social-elite "Net Set" person is: someone who knows how to really use the web. This is *not* a coder, a hacker, programmer, or computer junkie. Because coders, hackers, programmers, and computer junkies care more about creating their own set of rules, web sites, scripts, hacks, cracks and whatnot that they are more likely to spend their free time whippin up spiffy DHTML, a new app, or some dynamic perl underbelly to a site than tinker around the web using all that commercial shit out there.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that "Net Set" people are the flaky no-lifers that spend their time "surfing" and downloading, not inspiring or creating cause people who inspire and create dont have time to piss around the web.
my 2 pfenigs
-Z
But one needs to recover one's investment if one is to create the next piece of art.
You are 100% correct. We know how poor lucas arts is and how little money they made from SW:TPM. I mean, if they had commercialized it a little more and put out more official SW:TPM products then maybe they could afford to let people distribute poorly recorded copies over the internet.
I mean, seriously, I'm sure all of us, with our T1s, have been spending the 12 days to download the hacked up movie and I'm sure most of us have sold it rather than freely distribute it once downloaded, cutting into Lucas Arts profits.
We really should respect the wishes of a company
so wonderful as to give the world Jar Jar Binks.
-Z
(a bit of sarcasm)
it works. i watched it last night.
Some really cool things i learned about Quicktime 4/Quicktime TV. It streams over the net better than real's format becuase it has contracted out to a company that has thousands of dedicated servers accross the net so that your stream doesnt come from over saturated servers/connections but from a local dedicated server. The technology is supposidly better than reals (imho, it is, but its still arguable), and the server is open sourced (hence the linux quicktime server that recently came out).
BBC One already has a continuous live feed using the quicktime format.
-Z
"You're a better me than me" Jobs talking to Noah W.
That would be good in theory, but the truth is, with few exceptions, the news is broadcast to us by commercial entities. A newspaper, tv news station, radio or news web site relies on sensationalism to sell product. If they didn't report on what they thought their readers were itching to know about, they would loose customers. The value of the internet is that there are a lot more web sites out there which are relatively cheap to operate yet can deliver surprisingly well written news stories about whatever genre it is they cover (eg, slashdot). When a newpaper company must pay for every copy of the paper it manufactures which is outdated in 1 day, it must try to capture as large an audience as possible.
Though, i disagree with Katz on the idea that this is some revolutionary change brought about by the internet. I have the fortune of having many old pre/during/and post WWII Times magazines from my grandfather. It seems that the news is more tainted in those than today's news. I read about internment camps during WWII in the US in my Civics class in high school, one of the most incorrect and unjustified things America did in WWII. But to read the old Times article about them, you would think that they were resorts and only the bad Oriental Americans were put there.
To sum up, the biggest difference between news 40 to 50 years ago and news today is that technology, not neccesarily the internet (e.g. satellite feeds, cell phones, instant communication, email) allows for a much more violent, accurate, and awefull view of the world. News today is just as sensationalistic as before, but it is crammed down our throats and jammed in our ears until we can't stand to hear one more thing about it. The one thing the news has created for us today is a lack of heros, morals, and things to believe in.
-Z
no.
PIII != Merced and i said Merced.
-Z
This reminds me of a scenerio a few years ago with Apple who made quite a comeback. All I know is that if AMD leaves the market, I'm going back to Macs. I refuse to buy an intel based PC. Hopefully the K7 will kick enough ass to being AMD back to its full glory
-Z