Seems to me this translates to he would use the ordering, aka, order by moderation, but sets his lower limit to -1. It's OK to not toally agree with something, and still think it's a good idea..;-P
I'm unsure of how to react to this. My FIRST idea would be to post some code and binaries that can implement it by cracking into an IIS server, but I don't think that would be the all that great of an idea either.. At the same time, we can't just ignore these statements, but saying, "No, you're wrong", doesn't carry much weight either..
I wish I had the time and the resources for this. Heck, I wonder if they themselves would produce a one time run of 100+ units, for 'usability' testing, and/or software R&D.
52M/bit? I'd say that's a bit of an overstatment. The 1024k is realistic, but to say the copper is streaming at 50x that rate is just plain silly. Broadcast data is not the same as digitial data. Example of using 'your math' to my existing cable technology:
52 - 1 (Data) - 1 (Extra, lesse voice) = 50. 50 / 2 (HDTV channels) = 25 M/bit each channel. 50 / 3 (Standard TV) = 16.x (Round to 16 and be nice)
I can get 20 HDTV channels on my existing cable.
20 * 25 = 500 M/bit.
I can get 60 "normal" channels.
60 * 16 = 960 M/bit.
Plus data at about the same speed, averaging up and downstream.
1 M/bit
Plus the same 1 for voice I gave you.
1 M/bit.
Wow, 1.4+ Gig/bit line into my house!! I didn't even know..
Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.. xDSL lines provide higher speed capabilities, but still not a big enough pipe for the things that the future of the internet promise. If the computations above where true, then heck yea, but unfortionatly, it just doesn't work that way..
Then they broke the law, and are not abiding by the laws of the GPL. The 'next step', now that they have voided their licence, is for the authors of above said tools to begin legal action.
The biggest impact would be to file a lawsuit for a good chunk of what they have sold, 'past damages' or something of that sort.
As of right now, they have no valid licence, as they have broken their legal contract with the authors of the tool.
True. But I think this is a DNS solution, and not some dramatic new idea. Many sites have done this, even freshmeat redirects to a mirror closest to you.
There are even companies providing this very solution. Unfortionatly, this still won;t help real time streaming applications. That still takes a big trunk, and, to do it well, a cheap one. No matter if I'm directly connected to the machine providing the stream, I still can't watch a movie on a 56k modem. Or even a 256k xDSL line, or cable modem.
This entire LinuxMac situation may be poor taste, but unfortionatly, it is *NOT* against the law, nor breaking the GPL.
As long as they in some way supply you with the source for the binary that they call from their exe, they're all set.
You see, they're doing doing an exec of it. The actualy 'wrapper' that they are producing it indeed their own code, granted, I could write it in less then an hour in perl, or even as an sh script.
The short story.. While what they are doing is unethical, it is no way breaks the GPL, taking into consideration that they provide the source for the GPL utilities provided, which no one has, as of yet, proven the case of..
That's one of the thing that bothers me about i2, and all of these 'incredible advances'. Give me an OC-3 line, and I'll show you the same damned thing..;-P
I'm unimpressed with the hype surrounding what the internet can do for me. I'm more impressed with what a Cable Modem or DSL can do for me. Now just make it a stock utility, like phone and electric service..
Regardless of what 'new technologies' come about becouse of the 'New Internet', or how it changes the way we live, one thing is needed for it to happen..
Cheap, dependable broadband, and lots of it, everywhere. Wireless, even.
You give me bandwidth, and I can provide you with anything you want. Never mind streaming real video degraded signals down over your 56k modem. I'm talking streaming television, at full resolution. No matter the way you look at it, this requires a pipe to carry the data.
And, that's pretty much what the i2 provides. Bandwidth, and lots of it. Any research about how to use this bandwidth is a definate sidebar to actually getthing gigabit access to *RUN* those applications..
I was debating on posting this, but reading some of the posts below, I have to post this..
Guys, stop being so *DARNED* paranoid. VA is *NOT* buying Andover.net to control the media, in any sence of the word.
No, I'm sorry to tell you, there is no secret consiracy to control your minds, no smoke and mirrors, no implants in your brain to allow VA to control what you read on slashdot.
Why is it that at least half of the posts regarding any sort of corperation being involved in *ANY* sort of OSS boils down to "What's in it for them".
The major complaint that many OSS proponents have is that the 'suits' just don't get it, and their way of thinking is dated, and should be changed. It seems to me, that people asking the 'What's in it for them' question are using the same thought process that they claim to dread.
Did you ever maybee think that 'What's in it for us' is a sidebar?
OSS and it's surrounding community *CAN WORK HAND IN HAND*. That's right. The goals are not different. As a matter of fact, they overlap a whole lot. Companies want to get paid. If they can get paid for providing services someone else provides, and use those funds to enhance the comminity, so they can make more money, LIFE is GOOD for EVERYONE..
No, Mulder, that's not a little green man.. It's a little kid in a Halloween costume. Put DOWN the GUN..
Slashdot is still an independant entity, and will always remain so. They can't just 'change' or 'eliminate'. It'd be breach of contract. Now, I'd love to see a copy of this contract, becouse yes, there has to be something in there for them, but based on what Rob & Hemos have said, they can't change slashdot.
Promoting OSS and the community in general boosts VA's bottom line. You see, it's in their best interest for OSS software to succeed.
1) General PR boost for sure.
2) VA doesn't just sell hardware. They also deal with SUPPORT. Lotsa free software, and they can offer charge support.
3) They consult. They consult *BIG* time. They offer solutions using software that's free to them, and pretty much just rake in the cash for doing so.
They do have something in it for them, it's just not as simple as, get paid for doing this. It indirectly affects their other sources of income.
Example. They'll probrably be one of the first vendors to release an IA64 system, simply becouse of their funding of IA64 capabilities in the Linux kernel. No one paid them to do it, but in the end, they make alot of cash for it. They also get looked at as the 'experts' in the areas.
As an idea, why not simply identify the high bandwidth abusers, and simply throttle their bandwidth? This would not use nearly as much managment time, and would address the problem on a more local level.
Heck, if you did some sort of measurments of the average usage, etc, you could script a system that could bandwidth limit things at different times of the day, etc..
So, essentially, colleges should pay network administrators to keep up with every non productive, bandwidth sucking application, and how to monitor/limit the bandwidth utilized by these applications?
Colleges are *NOT* ISP's, and do *NOT* provide network connections as a *right*. The students do not own the network. The school does, and they can do pretty much whatever the heck they want to with it. That includes disallowing certain traffic..
Now, personally, I'd bandwidth throttle the guys using g/napster, allowing them to continue using such a system, but at a price that doesn't impeed others who are using it for more legit means..
Many entities "Give away" their source to certain individuals and entities. That is no way, shape, or form, means that they are opening up the source in general, as in an Open Source project.
Primarily becouse the lander only has so much time.. And if this is going to be their primary communications outlet, they're going to have to be able to decypher the signals at *least* once per comm window.
And NASA already has the ability to decipher the garbage, on a normal PC. The code *should* be able to move into a d.net type of environment fairly easily..
I'm not a lawyer in any sense of the word, but how can they 'seal' something that is already a matter of public record? I'm not sure that they CAN seal those records.
Or, perhaps they CAN seal them, but I don't think that they can then stop anyone who has archives of the original records from distributing them. You can't just 'take it back'.
What bothers me the most about the LinuxOne distrobution, is that they blatently *LIE* on their web page regarding the nature of their product. Over and over again, they claim to have developed 'LinuxOne OS', and how it includes all of the capabilities, etc..
I *TRUELY* hope they end up with some software in their distro with a BSD licence, so someone can sue the pants off of the company..
Slashdot Mirror
I had to reread some of his statements again. Your right.. Perhaps he'll respond to this..
Seems to me this translates to he would use the ordering, aka, order by moderation, but sets his lower limit to -1. It's OK to not toally agree with something, and still think it's a good idea.. ;-P
I'm unsure of how to react to this. My FIRST idea would be to post some code and binaries that can implement it by cracking into an IIS server, but I don't think that would be the all that great of an idea either.. At the same time, we can't just ignore these statements, but saying, "No, you're wrong", doesn't carry much weight either..
:-(
Oh, what to do with ethics..
Whasn't the beta releases named rawhide?
What ever happened to the rawhide distrobution? Did they simply give up on the idea on rawhide, and now just name things beta?
I wish I had the time and the resources for this. Heck, I wonder if they themselves would produce a one time run of 100+ units, for 'usability' testing, and/or software R&D.
I wonder if this would be at all possible. I'd DEFINATLY buy one, that's for sure..
52M/bit? I'd say that's a bit of an overstatment. The 1024k is realistic, but to say the copper is streaming at 50x that rate is just plain silly. Broadcast data is not the same as digitial data. Example of using 'your math' to my existing cable technology:
52 - 1 (Data) - 1 (Extra, lesse voice) = 50.
50 / 2 (HDTV channels) = 25 M/bit each channel.
50 / 3 (Standard TV) = 16.x (Round to 16 and be nice)
I can get 20 HDTV channels on my existing cable.
20 * 25 = 500 M/bit.
I can get 60 "normal" channels.
60 * 16 = 960 M/bit.
Plus data at about the same speed, averaging up and downstream.
1 M/bit
Plus the same 1 for voice I gave you.
1 M/bit.
Wow, 1.4+ Gig/bit line into my house!! I didn't even know..
Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.. xDSL lines provide higher speed capabilities, but still not a big enough pipe for the things that the future of the internet promise. If the computations above where true, then heck yea, but unfortionatly, it just doesn't work that way..
Then they broke the law, and are not abiding by the laws of the GPL. The 'next step', now that they have voided their licence, is for the authors of above said tools to begin legal action.
The biggest impact would be to file a lawsuit for a good chunk of what they have sold, 'past damages' or something of that sort.
As of right now, they have no valid licence, as they have broken their legal contract with the authors of the tool.
Yes, this is true, but as I have not bought the product, and do not have a copy of the "evalutuion disk", I can't confirm nor deny if they do or not..
True. But I think this is a DNS solution, and not some dramatic new idea. Many sites have done this, even freshmeat redirects to a mirror closest to you.
There are even companies providing this very solution. Unfortionatly, this still won;t help real time streaming applications. That still takes a big trunk, and, to do it well, a cheap one. No matter if I'm directly connected to the machine providing the stream, I still can't watch a movie on a 56k modem. Or even a 256k xDSL line, or cable modem.
This entire LinuxMac situation may be poor taste, but unfortionatly, it is *NOT* against the law, nor breaking the GPL.
As long as they in some way supply you with the source for the binary that they call from their exe, they're all set.
You see, they're doing doing an exec of it. The actualy 'wrapper' that they are producing it indeed their own code, granted, I could write it in less then an hour in perl, or even as an sh script.
The short story.. While what they are doing is unethical, it is no way breaks the GPL, taking into consideration that they provide the source for the GPL utilities provided, which no one has, as of yet, proven the case of..
That's one of the thing that bothers me about i2, and all of these 'incredible advances'. Give me an OC-3 line, and I'll show you the same damned thing.. ;-P
I'm unimpressed with the hype surrounding what the internet can do for me. I'm more impressed with what a Cable Modem or DSL can do for me. Now just make it a stock utility, like phone and electric service..
Actually, I could do the same thing with a damned shell script. Or heck, Perl, with Qt bindings.. ;-P
Regardless of what 'new technologies' come about becouse of the 'New Internet', or how it changes the way we live, one thing is needed for it to happen..
Cheap, dependable broadband, and lots of it, everywhere. Wireless, even.
You give me bandwidth, and I can provide you with anything you want. Never mind streaming real video degraded signals down over your 56k modem. I'm talking streaming television, at full resolution. No matter the way you look at it, this requires a pipe to carry the data.
And, that's pretty much what the i2 provides. Bandwidth, and lots of it. Any research about how to use this bandwidth is a definate sidebar to actually getthing gigabit access to *RUN* those applications..
I was debating on posting this, but reading some of the posts below, I have to post this..
Guys, stop being so *DARNED* paranoid. VA is *NOT* buying Andover.net to control the media, in any sence of the word.
No, I'm sorry to tell you, there is no secret consiracy to control your minds, no smoke and mirrors, no implants in your brain to allow VA to control what you read on slashdot.
Why is it that at least half of the posts regarding any sort of corperation being involved in *ANY* sort of OSS boils down to "What's in it for them".
The major complaint that many OSS proponents have is that the 'suits' just don't get it, and their way of thinking is dated, and should be changed. It seems to me, that people asking the 'What's in it for them' question are using the same thought process that they claim to dread.
Did you ever maybee think that 'What's in it for us' is a sidebar?
OSS and it's surrounding community *CAN WORK HAND IN HAND*. That's right. The goals are not different. As a matter of fact, they overlap a whole lot. Companies want to get paid. If they can get paid for providing services someone else provides, and use those funds to enhance the comminity, so they can make more money, LIFE is GOOD for EVERYONE..
No, Mulder, that's not a little green man.. It's a little kid in a Halloween costume. Put DOWN the GUN..
Slashdot is still an independant entity, and will always remain so. They can't just 'change' or 'eliminate'. It'd be breach of contract. Now, I'd love to see a copy of this contract, becouse yes, there has to be something in there for them, but based on what Rob & Hemos have said, they can't change slashdot.
Promoting OSS and the community in general boosts VA's bottom line. You see, it's in their best interest for OSS software to succeed.
;-P
1) General PR boost for sure.
2) VA doesn't just sell hardware. They also deal with SUPPORT. Lotsa free software, and they can offer charge support.
3) They consult. They consult *BIG* time. They offer solutions using software that's free to them, and pretty much just rake in the cash for doing so.
They do have something in it for them, it's just not as simple as, get paid for doing this. It indirectly affects their other sources of income.
Example. They'll probrably be one of the first vendors to release an IA64 system, simply becouse of their funding of IA64 capabilities in the Linux kernel. No one paid them to do it, but in the end, they make alot of cash for it. They also get looked at as the 'experts' in the areas.
It's all in the residuals, man..
Actually, the birds of a feather session will be in the room with the title:
"BSDers Anonymous"
(J/K!)
As an idea, why not simply identify the high bandwidth abusers, and simply throttle their bandwidth? This would not use nearly as much managment time, and would address the problem on a more local level.
Heck, if you did some sort of measurments of the average usage, etc, you could script a system that could bandwidth limit things at different times of the day, etc..
So, essentially, colleges should pay network administrators to keep up with every non productive, bandwidth sucking application, and how to monitor/limit the bandwidth utilized by these applications?
Colleges are *NOT* ISP's, and do *NOT* provide network connections as a *right*. The students do not own the network. The school does, and they can do pretty much whatever the heck they want to with it. That includes disallowing certain traffic..
Now, personally, I'd bandwidth throttle the guys using g/napster, allowing them to continue using such a system, but at a price that doesn't impeed others who are using it for more legit means..
Many entities "Give away" their source to certain individuals and entities. That is no way, shape, or form, means that they are opening up the source in general, as in an Open Source project.
Primarily becouse the lander only has so much time.. And if this is going to be their primary communications outlet, they're going to have to be able to decypher the signals at *least* once per comm window.
And NASA already has the ability to decipher the garbage, on a normal PC. The code *should* be able to move into a d.net type of environment fairly easily..
Ehter way, *it can't hurt*..
I'm not a lawyer in any sense of the word, but how can they 'seal' something that is already a matter of public record? I'm not sure that they CAN seal those records.
Or, perhaps they CAN seal them, but I don't think that they can then stop anyone who has archives of the original records from distributing them. You can't just 'take it back'.
The cats out of the bag..
What bothers me the most about the LinuxOne distrobution, is that they blatently *LIE* on their web page regarding the nature of their product. Over and over again, they claim to have developed 'LinuxOne OS', and how it includes all of the capabilities, etc..
I *TRUELY* hope they end up with some software in their distro with a BSD licence, so someone can sue the pants off of the company..
So, by that token, you can use the College gym to have a coed naked basketball game?
;-P
I'm betting you also get pulled over, and procceed to tell the police officer how you pay his/her salary..