I am actually surprised you guys released compiled version. Why take the time. Just dump code out there (I assume compile process is well documented with Mozilla). In any case, your efforts are appreciated, especialy when the tri-licensed release happens, but even before that too.
The thread is called "linux is going mainstream". So there is your GUI OS. As for DVD or CDR, I guess eMac has this edge. Like I said, I was too lazy to check details. If you are buying PCs for a big corp or gov. work though, CDR or DVD aren't really a requirement, so again in the context of linux going mainstream this is not much of an edge and certainly isn't worth the $400 difference. The desktop Macs are more expensive than PCs, period. The premium is for quality, unified user experience, and designer label but is that worth $300 to the penny-pincher.
Look at or search dell's site for "n series". I don't know how/. deal with url postings but try http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/comp are.a spx/desktops_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
Just because you can't find a deal doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Hmm, well, as per recent/. story, Dell PCs start at $319, less than half that $799. That gets you 2.4 GHz CPU which is prolly on par with that 1 GHz G4 in an eMac (yes G4's are faster but not that much of a difference). You get same 128 Mb RAM, and 40 Gb HDD in both. There may be a few places where eMac is clearly better or there may not be (too lazy to compare thoroughly). Oh, and this eMac has got a 17" CRT so we add $100 to Dell's price. In the end the Mac barely gets out of being twice as expensive as a PC. Macs are quite competitive in notebooks though.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound. You are saying that pushing some book on a class is not cheap. Well, uh, why not make a great book and sell it for a while. The first year some professor will use it, next year it'll be a few, in ten years you could have a decent market with no salesmen.
Based on foreign book costs (esp. from China) I assume it is possible to publish a book for $3-4 of raw materials and publishing labor. Now editing and indexing and the like probably don't run more than $10 per book for large runs so even with 20% profit most book should have total publishing cost of about $20. If publishers were to sell direct to student groups at wholesale prices students could get most books for $25 shipped. Of course the paper and binding would suck so the books wouldn't last but they only need to last one semester.
In short, your excuses aside, my guess is students get overcharged about 4 times on new books.
First off, fixing K-12 is a good idea. No argument here. When half the grad students in my field are foreign, you know the system is broken. That said, most colleges are not "4 year parties". Some of it seems that way precisely because the K-12 system is broken so the first two years in college are spent on intro stuff that should have been taught in high-school or even middle school. But if you are studious and diligent you can get some very advanced education in four years. Where I went to college, we would complain to administration when the class was not hard enough. Guess that's why my school has boot camp rep (Cooper Union btw). And now that I think of it, I haven't met too many hippies or liberals so far. Just a lot of people with very deep work ethic and a disdain for the entire political system.
I wasn't trolling actually. I did click on the link, saw a few pictures, no description and posted the question. If indeed they are studying granular flow then where are equations? That page had only pics. I assumed this was just some pathetic exuse for buying a bunch of ping-pong balls.
I dunno. Often, when I have a computation running and taking near 100% CPU or when a few processes have entered an infinit loop, then I start seeing X slowing down. Is it too much to ask that my GUI be either slim enough to run comfortably on 1% of CPU at complex tasks or be entirely off my main CPU?
Well, X with twm is still a slow beast. Blaming KDE or Gnome is convinient but misleading. All I want is for X to be real time, i.e. a guarantee that when I drag a window there is no lag. Yes it would be nice also to have GUI toolkits to be real time as in when I click a button visual feedback happens as I click. Right now this is more or less the case but latency is not guaranteed and sometimes you notice. I don't care what's the GUI layer(s), I merely care that they are either fast enough or have high enough priority to guarantee impereptible latency on most complex operations. And no, low latency patches are no substitute for hard real time.
Like I said, back in the day when MS put GUI in the kernel it was the right thing to do for a desktop OS. Nowadays I believe an even better approach is to recode X to be hard real time and run it in an RTOS running wholly inside the graphics card. As a side note, the attitude in your response indicates that you are not willing to compromise every aspect of computer operation for ease of use and responsiveness. I therefore hope that you do not get involved in developing desktop anything. Stick to servers, please.
Well no, you don't get it. If X is not networked, then it doesn't need ANY security, then you can easily stuff it into kernel space and save on context switches.
Ok, here's the thing: removing remote code would not make X any faster - that's mostly true. However if you reengineered X without network transparency in mind it would get much faster for sure. One of the things here is that you could then move X entirely into kernel saving all the context switches. In general, one thing people like about Windows is that it puts an emphasis on treating the end user right, and so bends over backwards to make GUI responsive. OTOH, I am myself evolving away from the idea that X should be in the kernel. With ever more powerful graphics cards, the day is coming when we will be able to move all of X into a separate RTOS running strictly off of graphics card resources. My personal conclusion is that X is too big to rewrite so its performance needs to be hardware brute forced.
This is kinda true, but I always feel uneasy when a vendor asks for more than they need. Here they need a paypal payment and a login/passphrase to identify me in the future. They asked for more. Why?
Who else plays on the desktop? Are you saying Mac zealots are gonna switch?
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Club membership is a more permanent version of shareware concept, where you pay dues to keep getting support. It makes sense. When I was using Mandrake for a brief time, I considered becoming a club member but their page asks for personal info so I went away and soon switched distros for this and other reasons.
Well, noone put him on a committee. It's just that when you get a Nobel you automatically get a right to nominate others. They also ask simply prominent figures in the field. This year's prize was sort of like a sweep of the last few prominent guys who had done stuff in the sc/sf fields. Had they not done it this year, Ginzburg might not have lived to get a Nobel which would have been "just not right". Of course, once they give it to Ginzburg, it makes sense to give it to the one other giant from Landau school: Abricosov. Leggett is about as accomplished as Abricosov and has done somewhat related work so his selection also makes sense. So it's inlikely this was Osheroff pulling any strings.
Have a look at how wmx or wm2 window managers do title bars. This is what I want tabs to look as. Can I configure any browser with tabbing to do that? What I do not want is text running the usual horizontal way (takes too much space), nor do I want pictures, nor hotkey based navigation. I just want vertical tabs. Can it be done?
I am not sure I like the idea of thumbnails taking up all that space. I hope that if Moz ever picks this up they'll make it optional. OTOH, I wish there were a way to make tabs in Mozilla vertical and have text run vertically as well, i.e. just like current implementation just rotated 90 degrees. Does anyone know if there is a way or if a RFE has been filed in bugzilla.
Oh, and electron microscopes is a bit misleading. Usually that would refer to Scanning Electron Microscope or Transmission Electron Microscope or a variation similar to those. These techniques use electrons similar to how a normal microscope uses photons. An STM is different entirely. It is a local probe technique, there is no electron beam. It does not involve scattering, only tunneling. Its scale is sub-angstrom resolution where SEM and TEM stuff cannot reach even now with much improved electron optics. This is why a 10^-6 vacuum may be enough for a crude SEM but nowhere near enough for an STM.
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I am actually surprised you guys released compiled
version. Why take the time. Just dump code out there
(I assume compile process is well documented with
Mozilla). In any case, your efforts are appreciated,
especialy when the tri-licensed release happens, but
even before that too.
The thread is called "linux is going mainstream".
So there is your GUI OS.
As for DVD or CDR, I guess eMac has this edge. Like
I said, I was too lazy to check details. If you are
buying PCs for a big corp or gov. work though,
CDR or DVD aren't really a requirement, so again
in the context of linux going mainstream this is
not much of an edge and certainly isn't worth
the $400 difference.
The desktop Macs are more expensive than PCs, period.
The premium is for quality, unified user experience,
and designer label but is that worth $300 to the
penny-pincher.
Look at or search dell's site for "n series". I don't /. deal with url postings but tryp are.a spx/desktops_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
know how
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/com
Just because you can't find a deal doesn't mean it
doesn't exist.
Hmm, well, as per recent /. story, Dell PCs start
at $319, less than half that $799. That gets you
2.4 GHz CPU which is prolly on par with that 1 GHz
G4 in an eMac (yes G4's are faster but not that
much of a difference). You get same 128 Mb RAM,
and 40 Gb HDD in both. There may be a few places
where eMac is clearly better or there may not be
(too lazy to compare thoroughly). Oh, and this
eMac has got a 17" CRT so we add $100 to Dell's
price. In the end the Mac barely gets out of being
twice as expensive as a PC.
Macs are quite competitive in notebooks though.
Do you know how ridiculous you sound. You are
saying that pushing some book on a class is not
cheap. Well, uh, why not make a great book and
sell it for a while. The first year some professor
will use it, next year it'll be a few, in ten years
you could have a decent market with no salesmen.
Based on foreign book costs (esp. from China)
I assume it is possible to publish a book for
$3-4 of raw materials and publishing labor.
Now editing and indexing and the like probably
don't run more than $10 per book for large runs
so even with 20% profit most book should have
total publishing cost of about $20. If publishers
were to sell direct to student groups at wholesale
prices students could get most books for $25
shipped. Of course the paper and binding would
suck so the books wouldn't last but they only
need to last one semester.
In short, your excuses aside, my guess is students
get overcharged about 4 times on new books.
First off, fixing K-12 is a good idea. No argument
here. When half the grad students in my field are
foreign, you know the system is broken.
That said, most colleges are not "4 year parties".
Some of it seems that way precisely because the
K-12 system is broken so the first two years in
college are spent on intro stuff that should have
been taught in high-school or even middle school.
But if you are studious and diligent you can get
some very advanced education in four years. Where
I went to college, we would complain to administration
when the class was not hard enough. Guess that's
why my school has boot camp rep (Cooper Union btw).
And now that I think of it, I haven't met too many
hippies or liberals so far. Just a lot of people
with very deep work ethic and a disdain for the
entire political system.
I wasn't trolling actually. I did click on the link,
saw a few pictures, no description and posted the
question. If indeed they are studying granular flow then
where are equations? That page had only pics.
I assumed this was just some pathetic exuse for
buying a bunch of ping-pong balls.
Why?
Ahh, a flamewar about which washed up old porn
"actress" is better. Should be good...
I dunno. Often, when I have a computation running
and taking near 100% CPU or when a few processes
have entered an infinit loop, then I start seeing
X slowing down. Is it too much to ask that my GUI
be either slim enough to run comfortably on 1% of
CPU at complex tasks or be entirely off my main CPU?
Well, X with twm is still a slow beast. Blaming KDE
or Gnome is convinient but misleading. All I want is
for X to be real time, i.e. a guarantee that when
I drag a window there is no lag. Yes it would be
nice also to have GUI toolkits to be real time as in
when I click a button visual feedback happens as I
click. Right now this is more or less the case but
latency is not guaranteed and sometimes you notice.
I don't care what's the GUI layer(s), I merely care
that they are either fast enough or have high
enough priority to guarantee impereptible latency
on most complex operations. And no, low latency
patches are no substitute for hard real time.
Like I said, back in the day when MS put GUI in the
kernel it was the right thing to do for a desktop
OS. Nowadays I believe an even better approach is to
recode X to be hard real time and run it in an RTOS
running wholly inside the graphics card.
As a side note, the attitude in your response indicates
that you are not willing to compromise every aspect
of computer operation for ease of use and responsiveness.
I therefore hope that you do not get involved in
developing desktop anything. Stick to servers,
please.
Well no, you don't get it. If X is not networked,
then it doesn't need ANY security, then you can
easily stuff it into kernel space and save on
context switches.
Ok, here's the thing: removing remote code would
not make X any faster - that's mostly true. However
if you reengineered X without network transparency
in mind it would get much faster for sure. One of
the things here is that you could then move X
entirely into kernel saving all the context switches.
In general, one thing people like about Windows is
that it puts an emphasis on treating the end user
right, and so bends over backwards to make GUI
responsive.
OTOH, I am myself evolving away from the idea that
X should be in the kernel. With ever more powerful
graphics cards, the day is coming when we will be
able to move all of X into a separate RTOS running
strictly off of graphics card resources. My
personal conclusion is that X is too big to rewrite
so its performance needs to be hardware brute forced.
This is kinda true, but I always feel uneasy when
a vendor asks for more than they need. Here they
need a paypal payment and a login/passphrase to
identify me in the future. They asked for more.
Why?
Who else plays on the desktop? Are you saying Mac
zealots are gonna switch?
Club membership is a more permanent version of
shareware concept, where you pay dues to keep
getting support. It makes sense. When I was using
Mandrake for a brief time, I considered becoming a
club member but their page asks for personal info
so I went away and soon switched distros for this
and other reasons.
Dude, if you start a political party, sign me up.
Well, noone put him on a committee. It's just that
when you get a Nobel you automatically get a right
to nominate others. They also ask simply prominent
figures in the field.
This year's prize was sort of like a sweep of the
last few prominent guys who had done stuff in the
sc/sf fields. Had they not done it this year,
Ginzburg might not have lived to get a Nobel which
would have been "just not right". Of course, once
they give it to Ginzburg, it makes sense to give
it to the one other giant from Landau school:
Abricosov. Leggett is about as accomplished as
Abricosov and has done somewhat related work so
his selection also makes sense. So it's inlikely
this was Osheroff pulling any strings.
Dude, this year's Nobel in Physics went to Leggett
(among others) for work on superfluid helium.
Have a look at how wmx or wm2 window managers do
title bars. This is what I want tabs to look as.
Can I configure any browser with tabbing to do that?
What I do not want is text running the usual
horizontal way (takes too much space), nor do I
want pictures, nor hotkey based navigation.
I just want vertical tabs. Can it be done?
Yeah, but those I believe are also UHV systems. At
that level of precision, you have no choice but to
fight all noise.
I am not sure I like the idea of thumbnails
taking up all that space. I hope that if Moz
ever picks this up they'll make it optional.
OTOH, I wish there were a way to make tabs
in Mozilla vertical and have text run vertically
as well, i.e. just like current implementation
just rotated 90 degrees. Does anyone know if
there is a way or if a RFE has been filed in
bugzilla.
Good job, sir.
Oh, and electron microscopes is a bit misleading.
Usually that would refer to Scanning Electron
Microscope or Transmission Electron Microscope
or a variation similar to those. These techniques
use electrons similar to how a normal microscope
uses photons.
An STM is different entirely. It is a local probe
technique, there is no electron beam. It does
not involve scattering, only tunneling. Its
scale is sub-angstrom resolution where SEM and TEM
stuff cannot reach even now with much improved
electron optics. This is why a 10^-6 vacuum
may be enough for a crude SEM but nowhere near
enough for an STM.