Also, as an interesting note, my Canadian passport contains a warning that says, roughly, the following. "If you hold dual citizenship, you are subject to their laws, including military service, while on their soil." If I were living in Canada, I would not be subject to US military service simply because I hold citizenship.
Well spoken. I must say, I understand where you're coming from. The point I'm trying to make here is not acceptance of moral "norms" but more in the fact that. 1) No crime was commited on US soil, 2) the act was not illegal within the country in which it was performed. In the end, it comes down to being as silly as the US arresting me for smoking pot in Holland.
It is, however, a completely different issue were I to say, purchase pot legally in Holland, and attempt to bring it back to the US. Once I hit US soil, I'm bound by their laws and have no problem with that per se. Well, I think the WOD is obnoxious, but that's a debate for another day.
Interestingly enough, the laws become conflicting. For example, I live in Indiana, here the age of consent is 16. This poses an interesting problem, yes? Indeed, if the age of consent in my state was 18 and the above situation in Canada happened but with the girl being 16, it would be legal in the US as the laws extending coverage to acts in other countries stops at 16, so long as you did not escort the child over the border "for the explicit purpose of having sex" -- this I don't really have a problem with. There are further complications in the law if you are in a position of authority over said minor.
In the end, it works basically like this:
Female Canadian citizen, 15 years old, legally at the age of consent in Canada. American male over 18 on Canadian soil. No Canadian laws are broken, why should the US be able to prosecute that?
Likewise, if someone who was a Canadian/American citizen living in Canada felt they had the right to sleep with an American 15 year old because it's legal in Canada, on US soil, the US would have every right to prosecute them. The legality and morality of it in Canada would not be a defense against charges. This means that the US shouldn't impose its morality on Canadian soil, nor should Canada impose its on American soil.
Forced morality: I hold dual citizenship, Canadian and American. If I, currently living in the states, were to fly to Canada and have sex with a person who was 15, which is perfectly legal there (I'm 20), I could be arrested upon return to the US. Even though I violated no laws and was not on US soil.
Now, I'm not saying I would do something like that, however the issue still exists.
My god. This may be moderated down as flamebait, but did my eyes lie to me or did you just say PETE TONG is an amazing DJ? Look, Pete Tong is a good announcer, despite screwing up all my favourite mixes with 'This is Pete Tong and you're listening to Radio 1' voiceovers. -sigh- but as a DJ he is so subpar it's hard to even describe how bad he sucks.
I mean for gods sake, his track selection is nothing but the UK top 40 played over and over again, his mixing skills consist of noncreative use of a crossfader without even proper beatmatching or, more importantly, moodmatching... how anyone can say this man is a great DJ is beyond me. Good old Pete "Crossfader" Tong...
Just to nitpick... Dave Seaman = Trance? I haven't heard terribly much of his stuff, but the last live mix of his I heard, it was pure and delicious house.
However, Dave Seaman is a massively underrated DJ. From what I've heard, the guy kicks ass.
If you like what you heard of Sasha & John Digweed, then must haves are the Northern Exposure 1/2/3/4 albums. 3 is my personal favourite, the first disc being Sasha and pure mood trance. God I wish the man still spun like that.
Oakenfold has pretty much sucked since 1999, but dig up some of his older Essential Mixes. Live at Liverpool University is one of my favourites, Gatecrasher (huge!), Shanghai, and Miami are also pretty good mixes.
Tiesto, Corsten -- couldn't agree more! Any mix of theirs is pretty much a gem. Anything by BT is just amazing, and if you like vocals, get anything that has Jan Johnston's name attached to it -- she has got to be the best trance vocalist (yes, I said the dirty word you hardcore freaks hate) in the world.
And we can't forget Mara -- Loads of talent there, tracks like Fall From Grace, Coming Down, One, and their remix of Freefall & Jan Johnston/Skydive are all top notch.
Thank you so much! I saw the original 1990 short once upon a time and and absolutely _loved_ it [He was trapped for one hour in the original, not one day] and had been trying to think of exactly what it was for the last month. Couldn't remember the name of it. Now here's the real question. I know you can the 1993 movie from Amazon, but is there anywhere (hell even in VCD) that you can find the _original_ 1990 short?
Here here, I work at the ITT A/CD NASA Field Office doing general IT support/administration and well, whatever else needs to be done. I don't think people appreciate this anymore.
Then again, I also work for ITT A/CD directly in their Proposals department (Production)... Whatever pays the bills huh? Ironically, I enjoy the Proposals job much more. It's interesting how rewarding a fast paced and productive job can be.
--Matt
Disclaimer: My opinions belong to me, not NASA nor ITT Industries A/CD, they can speak for themselves.
I don't think you're actually that far from the truth. I personally believe that video games such as Quake are great for releasing our stress in non-violent ways. I can remember as a young teenager getting upset and hitting walls from time to time, but now when I get upset, I just fire up Quake III or Red Faction and blast things around for an hour. When I'm done playing, I feel calm and relaxed. This is hardly scientific evidence, but I know that at least for me, these games provide a great outlet for violent impulses (which all humans have!) when I'm angry.
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I wonder if I'm the only FPS gamer that uses 'ASDF' for movement? In order; Strafe Left, Backward, Forward, Strafe Right -- I like the combination, my friends are too afraid to try it out for fear they might actually like it:)
The difference is that a Gym is a "club" of sorts which requires memebership. That is NOT the same as a public store where no membership is required to enter.
Well, as someone living in Canada who is moving back to the US in a couple months, let me say that we have our fair share of problems as well, you aren't going to avoid that by running away to another country, all countries have their issues that are unfortunate. I'll take my chances with the US military in trade for good health care, which you just can't get in Canada.:)
So when DirecTV fries my card that let's me get all the channels, I should have the right to sue for damages?
Why does someone always make this poor, poor analogy? Read that card again, it is the property of NDS Ltd., you do not own it. Since it is their property, they can do whatever the hell they want to it. I would argue that their forced firmware updates on the 5th generation receivers are illegal and done without permission, but I digress.
The FSF's definition. This is not the same as copyleft. I support copyleft with more vigour than non-copyleft Free Software because it promotes more vigorously the growth of the pool of Free Software, and fights against the growth of proprietary software.
The FSF definition did not even occur to me in this discussion, it should have, I apologize for that oversight. I understand what you mean about copyleft, however I do not feel that fighting the growth if proprietary software is the appropriate thing to do. I agree that Free (as in beer, speech) software is definitely better for consumers as a whole than proprietary software, I'd rather have a good proprietary piece of software than nothing at all.
If Microsoft Office came out for Linux (et al), and worked at least as well as it does on Windows, I'd buy it in a second because I'd finally be able to stop using Windows all together then. I know that there are alternatives out there, but when you consider that my University requires the use of Microsoft Office for assignment submissions, I can't afford to lose marks based on a poor conversion job done by other software. So I use it, and it makes sure that Windows is always on my hard drive for the time being. This is unfortunate, but for now, it's reality.
I am opposed to the increasing introduction of proprietary software into Linux because it diverts attention from what I see as the goal in hand - the growth of the Free Software community.
Well, I'm a FreeBSD user myself, however it was Linux that I started on and that introduced me to Free Software idea, thus I always get a smile when I hear about Linux being taken into a company replacing Microsoft Windows computers, etc. That's good for all of us, no matter what OS we happen to use. If proprietary software on Linux helps users migrate from Windows, then I think it's a good thing. It would be better if it was open source software, but for now, I'm willing to put that aside in the name of community growth.
I hope you understand where I am coming from, even if you don't agree with me. Perhaps I am mistaken in trying to persuade people who just won't be convinced (at least for the time being...). However, I hope people won't blame me for standing up for something I believe in.
I do understand where you're coming from, I just disagree with parts of it. Soceity includes corporations too, and I do think that proprietary software can benefit soceity as well, albeit not as much as Free software. For what it's worth, I respect that you stand up for what you believe in, far too many people don't do that.
I honestly meant that as a request, not an insult, but I could have worded that better, fair enough.
I don't mention the GPL at all in my post. I was talking about Free Software, and the four
freedoms guaranteed by it. I know it's not the constitution. Why do you draw a comparison?
Alright, the GPL was not directly quoted, however when people speak about "Free Software" (in caps, and in this manner), more often than not they're speaking about the GPL. Whose definition of Free Software are you using when you speak of the "four freedoms guaranteed by it" ? I personally believe that Free should mean Free, as in being as unrestrictive as possible. Does Free mean it's "encroachment" for a company to write, from scratch, proprietary software that uses an open source framework such as KDE? By the same token, is it wrong to write an open source GPL application that runs under the Win32 environment? (See VirtualDub).
I draw the comparison to the constitution because of the way you speak of the "four freedoms" and the... passion you speak with. This I respect, while I use the BSDL for the few things I write, I respect the GPL because that is what the author of the software has chosen to use. It really is that simple. Respect the license people choose to use for code they write from scratch. I use all kinds of software with all kinds of different licenses, and despite my disagreements with closed source software (for practical reasons though, not political), I respect that choice.
In the end, it comes down to this. A company is writing software from scratch that uses KDE. It will be closed source however, in compliance with the GPL, any modifications to the underlying framework will be contributed back to the community. What is wrong about this? In my opinion, this is an ideal situation for Linux and the GPL; the framwork gets enhanced by commercial work contributed back to the community, Linux gets some much needed software. It's almost a certain reality that the Linux, and indeed the BSD, etc, platforms will not expand that much in the desktop market until there is software that can compete with what Microsoft puts out.
I am against the encroachment of the proprietary into the Free Software community. I don't mind people making money. You don't seem able to differentiate the two.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but are you not saying that while it's okay to make money off support, services, etc, it is somehow less moral to make money off actual software code, or in this case, closed source binaries? I'm glad that you promote the use of Linux in companies, however I fail to see why you are so opposed to this.
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Cheers man. I'm on the side of the asians. I wouldn't touch a white girl. Preferences vary.
Simple -- You say you were not the one driving the car at the time. This works in Maryland.
Matt
Also, as an interesting note, my Canadian passport contains a warning that says, roughly, the following. "If you hold dual citizenship, you are subject to their laws, including military service, while on their soil." If I were living in Canada, I would not be subject to US military service simply because I hold citizenship.
--Matt
Well spoken. I must say, I understand where you're coming from. The point I'm trying to make here is not acceptance of moral "norms" but more in the fact that. 1) No crime was commited on US soil, 2) the act was not illegal within the country in which it was performed. In the end, it comes down to being as silly as the US arresting me for smoking pot in Holland.
It is, however, a completely different issue were I to say, purchase pot legally in Holland, and attempt to bring it back to the US. Once I hit US soil, I'm bound by their laws and have no problem with that per se. Well, I think the WOD is obnoxious, but that's a debate for another day.
Interestingly enough, the laws become conflicting. For example, I live in Indiana, here the age of consent is 16. This poses an interesting problem, yes? Indeed, if the age of consent in my state was 18 and the above situation in Canada happened but with the girl being 16, it would be legal in the US as the laws extending coverage to acts in other countries stops at 16, so long as you did not escort the child over the border "for the explicit purpose of having sex" -- this I don't really have a problem with. There are further complications in the law if you are in a position of authority over said minor.
In the end, it works basically like this:
Female Canadian citizen, 15 years old, legally at the age of consent in Canada. American male over 18 on Canadian soil. No Canadian laws are broken, why should the US be able to prosecute that?
Likewise, if someone who was a Canadian/American citizen living in Canada felt they had the right to sleep with an American 15 year old because it's legal in Canada, on US soil, the US would have every right to prosecute them. The legality and morality of it in Canada would not be a defense against charges. This means that the US shouldn't impose its morality on Canadian soil, nor should Canada impose its on American soil.
Sticky issue. (Pun intended)
--Matt
Forced morality: I hold dual citizenship, Canadian and American. If I, currently living in the states, were to fly to Canada and have sex with a person who was 15, which is perfectly legal there (I'm 20), I could be arrested upon return to the US. Even though I violated no laws and was not on US soil.
Now, I'm not saying I would do something like that, however the issue still exists.
--Matt
Nitpick: Berne Convention
Long live zsh.
--Matt
My god. This may be moderated down as flamebait, but did my eyes lie to me or did you just say PETE TONG is an amazing DJ? Look, Pete Tong is a good announcer, despite screwing up all my favourite mixes with 'This is Pete Tong and you're listening to Radio 1' voiceovers. -sigh- but as a DJ he is so subpar it's hard to even describe how bad he sucks.
I mean for gods sake, his track selection is nothing but the UK top 40 played over and over again, his mixing skills consist of noncreative use of a crossfader without even proper beatmatching or, more importantly, moodmatching... how anyone can say this man is a great DJ is beyond me. Good old Pete "Crossfader" Tong...
I now digress and return you to your poor taste.
--Matt
Just to nitpick... Dave Seaman = Trance? I haven't heard terribly much of his stuff, but the last live mix of his I heard, it was pure and delicious house.
However, Dave Seaman is a massively underrated DJ. From what I've heard, the guy kicks ass.
If you like what you heard of Sasha & John Digweed, then must haves are the Northern Exposure 1/2/3/4 albums. 3 is my personal favourite, the first disc being Sasha and pure mood trance. God I wish the man still spun like that.
Oakenfold has pretty much sucked since 1999, but dig up some of his older Essential Mixes. Live at Liverpool University is one of my favourites, Gatecrasher (huge!), Shanghai, and Miami are also pretty good mixes.
Tiesto, Corsten -- couldn't agree more! Any mix of theirs is pretty much a gem. Anything by BT is just amazing, and if you like vocals, get anything that has Jan Johnston's name attached to it -- she has got to be the best trance vocalist (yes, I said the dirty word you hardcore freaks hate) in the world.
And we can't forget Mara -- Loads of talent there, tracks like Fall From Grace, Coming Down, One, and their remix of Freefall & Jan Johnston/Skydive are all top notch.
Anyhow
--Matt
Oh you'll get your bang out of a MS product
:)
alright. No boom? No boom _today_, boom tomorrow, there's always a boom tomorrow.
--Matt
PS: I suppose one could also be banged by their lawyers.
Ah, that's the one where the iMac won!
--Matt
Thank you so much! I saw the original 1990 short once upon a time and and absolutely _loved_ it [He was trapped for one hour in the original, not one day] and had been trying to think of exactly what it was for the last month. Couldn't remember the name of it. Now here's the real question. I know you can the 1993 movie from Amazon, but is there anywhere (hell even in VCD) that you can find the _original_ 1990 short?
--Matt
Here here, I work at the ITT A/CD NASA Field Office doing general IT support/administration and well, whatever else needs to be done. I don't think people appreciate this anymore.
Then again, I also work for ITT A/CD directly in their Proposals department (Production)... Whatever pays the bills huh? Ironically, I enjoy the Proposals job much more. It's interesting how rewarding a fast paced and productive job can be.
--Matt
Disclaimer: My opinions belong to me, not NASA nor ITT Industries A/CD, they can speak for themselves.
That's okay -- reporters don't check their mistakes either.
--Matt
I don't think you're actually that far from the truth. I personally believe that video games such as Quake are great for releasing our stress in non-violent ways. I can remember as a young teenager getting upset and hitting walls from time to time, but now when I get upset, I just fire up Quake III or Red Faction and blast things around for an hour. When I'm done playing, I feel calm and relaxed. This is hardly scientific evidence, but I know that at least for me, these games provide a great outlet for violent impulses (which all humans have!) when I'm angry.
As for the sex, check out this: http://bodhibkb.tripod.com/bodhiq3a/id1.html
Matt
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I agree, web servers like IIS should never need started[sic] :)
Matt
Gee, you say Grub and I think of Gorog's Reveng on Uruly Bastards. (Play some SMAUG muds for understanding :)
Dark Angel time!
Matt
I wonder if I'm the only FPS gamer that uses 'ASDF' for movement? In order; Strafe Left, Backward, Forward, Strafe Right -- I like the combination, my friends are too afraid to try it out for fear they might actually like it :)
Matt
Don't feel bad, most native English speakers do not understand English legal texts either. I hesitate to even call it English. Ah well
Matt
The difference is that a Gym is a "club" of sorts which requires memebership. That is NOT the same as a public store where no membership is required to enter.
Matt
Don't complain, at least you (should) get good benefits. I'd love to have the health plan my father gets from the DoD! :)
Matt
Well, as someone living in Canada who is moving back to the US in a couple months, let me say that we have our fair share of problems as well, you aren't going to avoid that by running away to another country, all countries have their issues that are unfortunate. I'll take my chances with the US military in trade for good health care, which you just can't get in Canada. :)
Matt
So when DirecTV fries my card that let's me get all the channels, I should have the right to sue for damages?
Why does someone always make this poor, poor analogy? Read that card again, it is the property of NDS Ltd., you do not own it. Since it is their property, they can do whatever the hell they want to it. I would argue that their forced firmware updates on the 5th generation receivers are illegal and done without permission, but I digress.
Matt
The FSF's definition. This is not the same as copyleft. I support copyleft with more vigour than non-copyleft Free Software because it promotes more vigorously the growth of the pool of Free Software, and fights against the growth of proprietary software.
The FSF definition did not even occur to me in this discussion, it should have, I apologize for that oversight. I understand what you mean about copyleft, however I do not feel that fighting the growth if proprietary software is the appropriate thing to do. I agree that Free (as in beer, speech) software is definitely better for consumers as a whole than proprietary software, I'd rather have a good proprietary piece of software than nothing at all.
If Microsoft Office came out for Linux (et al), and worked at least as well as it does on Windows, I'd buy it in a second because I'd finally be able to stop using Windows all together then. I know that there are alternatives out there, but when you consider that my University requires the use of Microsoft Office for assignment submissions, I can't afford to lose marks based on a poor conversion job done by other software. So I use it, and it makes sure that Windows is always on my hard drive for the time being. This is unfortunate, but for now, it's reality.
I am opposed to the increasing introduction of proprietary software into Linux because it diverts attention from what I see as the goal in hand - the growth of the Free Software community.
Well, I'm a FreeBSD user myself, however it was Linux that I started on and that introduced me to Free Software idea, thus I always get a smile when I hear about Linux being taken into a company replacing Microsoft Windows computers, etc. That's good for all of us, no matter what OS we happen to use. If proprietary software on Linux helps users migrate from Windows, then I think it's a good thing. It would be better if it was open source software, but for now, I'm willing to put that aside in the name of community growth.
I hope you understand where I am coming from, even if you don't agree with me. Perhaps I am mistaken in trying to persuade people who just won't be convinced (at least for the time being...). However, I hope people won't blame me for standing up for something I believe in.
I do understand where you're coming from, I just disagree with parts of it. Soceity includes corporations too, and I do think that proprietary software can benefit soceity as well, albeit not as much as Free software. For what it's worth, I respect that you stand up for what you believe in, far too many people don't do that.
Matt
Please stop resorting to insult.
... passion you speak with. This I respect, while I use the BSDL for the few things I write, I respect the GPL because that is what the author of the software has chosen to use. It really is that simple. Respect the license people choose to use for code they write from scratch. I use all kinds of software with all kinds of different licenses, and despite my disagreements with closed source software (for practical reasons though, not political), I respect that choice.
I honestly meant that as a request, not an insult, but I could have worded that better, fair enough.
I don't mention the GPL at all in my post. I was talking about Free Software, and the four
freedoms guaranteed by it. I know it's not the constitution. Why do you draw a comparison?
Alright, the GPL was not directly quoted, however when people speak about "Free Software" (in caps, and in this manner), more often than not they're speaking about the GPL. Whose definition of Free Software are you using when you speak of the "four freedoms guaranteed by it" ? I personally believe that Free should mean Free, as in being as unrestrictive as possible. Does Free mean it's "encroachment" for a company to write, from scratch, proprietary software that uses an open source framework such as KDE? By the same token, is it wrong to write an open source GPL application that runs under the Win32 environment? (See VirtualDub).
I draw the comparison to the constitution because of the way you speak of the "four freedoms" and the
In the end, it comes down to this. A company is writing software from scratch that uses KDE. It will be closed source however, in compliance with the GPL, any modifications to the underlying framework will be contributed back to the community. What is wrong about this? In my opinion, this is an ideal situation for Linux and the GPL; the framwork gets enhanced by commercial work contributed back to the community, Linux gets some much needed software. It's almost a certain reality that the Linux, and indeed the BSD, etc, platforms will not expand that much in the desktop market until there is software that can compete with what Microsoft puts out.
I am against the encroachment of the proprietary into the Free Software community. I don't mind people making money. You don't seem able to differentiate the two.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but are you not saying that while it's okay to make money off support, services, etc, it is somehow less moral to make money off actual software code, or in this case, closed source binaries? I'm glad that you promote the use of Linux in companies, however I fail to see why you are so opposed to this.
Matt