As a "Thank you" for the patience and the link on hindawi, here's another one in return: the original paper referenced by TFA.
Up to you to judge if is credible or not (no matter how prestigious the journal is).
However, for some RF effects on biological systems, consistent results have been documented in previous experiments: growth rates of plants [17] and fungi [18] can be increased or decreased by RF exposure. Exposure to RF signals can induce plants to produce more meristems [19], affect root cell structure [20, 21], and induce stress response in plant species, causing biochemical changes [22].
With the citations pointing to:
- Proceedings of the IEEE International Symposium on Electromagnetic Compatibility
- Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine
- Bioelectromagnetics
- Plant Biosystems
- Annals of Botany
- Physiologia Plantarum
Yes, I know, writing a scientific paper does involve citation tricks, but I just hate the position of "Yeah, tree-huggers are nuts, incompatible with science. Thus this paper have to be a lame joke of a science".
Interesting:
The earth’s natural RF environment has a complex periodicity that has been more or less the same within the lifespan of modern tree taxa. Before 1800, the major components of this environment were broadband radio noise from space (galactic noise), from lightning (atmospheric noise), and a smaller RF component from the sun [14]. Because of the periodic nature of the naturally occurring RF background, plants may have evolved to use those environmental signals, as well as visible light, to regulate periodic functions, and therefore they may be sensitive to anthropogenic RF input.
Its nothing personal regarding this work, I actually didn't even look at it yet.
Also its possible that this researcher simply wasnt allowed to publish elsewhere because people automatically rejected her premise as wacky
Ok. Thanks. My sincere suggestion: RFTA (the author is not a researcher, she didn't intend to publish or to attend conferences - she was invited to. A nice and interesting story beyond the findings... and the possible conclusions - which, until someone would experiment with due care, are disputable).
What I said: by R-ingTFA, it does not appear to me as a "nut's job". The quotation from TFA was more to tease the/.-ers to read: apologies if I mislead you in thinking I don't know how the "peer-reviewing and academia" works.
fyi, "peer reviewed" doesn't neccesarily mean peer reviewed by someone who cared or knew what they were talking about.
I should understand that the paper is still irrelevant and "an emission of a nut that doesn't do science", in spite of being presented twice in conferences to an audience which (I assume) cares and published (after being peer-reviewed) in the International Journal of Forestry Research.
Hey, it is not everyday that en entire world can read (FTFA):
I would like to thank Lightning Terminals for getting me a replacement keyboard so I could finish this article.
when (at least, part of) his initial problem was:
I am left typing on a undersized keyboard that has no life.
But I do agree that the other part of it is surely solved
I'm left facing a display screen that has no significant weight behind it
Right... how to make a portable into a transportable.
Or, you know, nothing beats a peer code review when the source code is presented on a listing (or punch cards) - at least the peer will be less inclined to criticise. The slight problem: keep the listing/punch cards from falling of your desk... you certainly need some weight there.
Like most of these studies that the news media have orgasms over, I suspect that they would be able to find whatever they wanted to prove. Science without mathematics, indeed.
Yeap. Parasite Correlated With World Cup Success - that's science indeed. /.-ish science, but covers all your needs (meant to be ironic, not sarcastic - after all, I'm wasting my time on/. too).
The nuts weren't doing science, they were just being nuts.
So this is more of the same shit, same as the "cellphones kill honeybees" and so on. They do not consider it logically, they are just reactionary.
I have some problems your "the same shit": to me is a valid "data point", worth investigating further. TFA:
The paper was later accepted for presentation at the North American Forest Ecology Workshop at Utah State University in Logan last June. As a result of that presentation, her paper was accepted to be published in a special edition from the workshop of the peer-reviewed online International Journal of Forestry Research.
The irony of this is that this occurs in a country that professes itself to be the "land of the free and the home of the brave", and its citizens seems to get a little angry when people suggest that it isn't in either case
Just a little out-of-order wording. Let me try a correction:
The more you steal from the public domain, the less I care about abiding by copyright law.
You can't steal from the public domain.
Matter of wording. To clarify the "translation", some questions:
— How do you call denying the ability for everyone to use the public domain?
—What term/word you use to call the extension of the copyright duration?
—(apologies) what world are you living in?
Oh goody - programmable number plates. What could possibly go wrong. I can just imagine how happy the jackers are going to be - no need to switch plates, just upload a custom firmware and you're gold.
Huh? Firmware upgrade? You're kidding, right?
Why risk a conviction through DMCA while a low tech attack is possible? Like: just impair the connection allowing the plate to know what speed you drive on and the red camera will catch the ad of the moment.
Average Joe cannot be required to know how to maintain an "eAd plate" in good functioning order (by contrast with the traditional plate), but he might know just enough to "artistically" severe a wire so that it will look like "normal wear" (and fight in court whatever speeding ticket the police would be able to send him after a possible long and costly investigation.
So, they'll have Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7, Windows Embedded Compact 7, Windows Embedded Handheld...
"Me too" attitude (what? let Android be the only one with fragmented market?)... Nothing new from Microsoft, including the "shoot yourself in the foot... no that foot... the other one. Atta boy!"
If you want to assemble that stuff locally, do you know how large the factories we use to build our tools are? You'd still have to ferry hundreds of tons of gear there and that's expensive.
Just a question of energy availability (and some time... and some human presence) to actually build those factories straight there.
Probably dropping some small Rickovers will cost less for a starter - the kind flown to the McMurdo station some time ago.
It's got nothing whatsoever to do with Windows. If your architecture cannot maintain its SLAs in light of a planned server restart, then it is broken (or your SLAs are inappropriate). This is true no matter what the OS is.
Hmmm... Now I see your point. A case of "Law of unintended consequences", I'd say. Let's explore it, shall we?
Because:
1. corporate customers used Windows (which requires a reboot after applying security patching. And everyone knows that security patches are as unavoidable as death-and-taxes)...
2.... and they didn't/couldn't invest enough in a "proper architecture" to maintain their SLA...
3.... they asked Microsoft to release their security updates at a slower pace...
4.... which translated in the adoption of the "responsible disclosure - gimme 60 days or more to patch" monstrosity.
The customers are to blame, why should one stick the teeth into Microsoft's neck? Or, for the matter, in Tavis Ormandy's? What a world!
Oh, do I?
My problem is: why should I restart an entire OS when and stop answering to HTTP requests (for example) only the email server needs to be patched? (granted, I made the mistake of co-hosting them on the same box and choosing a Windows OS).
Hang on... You know what? You are absolutely right, I'm missing a point here. And this point is: how come the inability of Windows OS-es to handle security patching without a reboot became a case of "broken architecture - not being able to handle planned outages"
Thanks for that - I'd consider the post as rather informative...
Event thought the predictability is "when the wind blows up the mountain" or "sunny daytime over a fresh ploughed area or asphalt" (what if no such conditions?) and the position may not be that stable (e.g. cited article: "For example, in 2007, Britain experienced severe flooding as a result of the polar jet staying south for the summer")
Yeap. These tiiiny aspects still need to be solved:
1. finding them during night time
2. finding their location in a predictable way... and when you need them.
This is where the bore-holes are unbeatable [large grin again... I mean... what can go wrong?]
Combined, solar and thermal energy (i.e. the energy of thermal air updraft) would yield a plane that could stay in the air forever.
[grin... quite a large one] I like the flying forever concept. And what a wonderful idea: dig some huge bores through the Earth crust and let the planes sore into the night using geothermal. Alternatively, lit/maintain some huge fires to create some constant lift around the globe and suddenly the aviation is no longer affected by oil prices... Errr... wait...
If a planned reboot disrupts services in a meaningful way, then your architecture is broken. This is true regardless of what OS you're running.
If the OS running the architecture does not require a reboot after applying security patches, then I don't need to schedule for downtime... no matter how the architecture might be.
Could it be that you haven't yet heard of the "just restart the service" approach or even hot-patching?
truly ethical approach to take to protect the consumer;
So let me get this straight... what you're saying is... handing out guns to every random passer-by is a good way to teach gun safety and prevent murder by shooting?
That has to qualify as one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen.
I reckon that, to some extent, the percentage of "murder by shooting" in the cause-of-death statistics will go very low indeed... while the "manslaughter by shooting" will... so to say... shoot to the sky.
Their big corporate clients asked/insisted for it. MS released patches (sometimes one day after the other) for decades until they the big corps pressured them into a monthly cycle to make the corps in house testing easier.
Yes, it's the customers' fault that even the MS patches can be buggy, isn't it? Also, customers are also to blame because applying a security patch requires a reboot.
I don't think it's a computer's or a phone's job to keep a driver's hands on the wheel any more than a coffee cup's or a burrito's.
I reckon my initial "challenge" was just a reaction to what seemed to me as an unnatural field of applications suggested by TFA. The augmented reality glasses thrown in the combination does make lot of sense.
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As a "Thank you" for the patience and the link on hindawi, here's another one in return: the original paper referenced by TFA. Up to you to judge if is credible or not (no matter how prestigious the journal is).
However, for some RF effects on biological systems, consistent results have been documented in previous experiments: growth rates of plants [17] and fungi [18] can be increased or decreased by RF exposure. Exposure to RF signals can induce plants to produce more meristems [19], affect root cell structure [20, 21], and induce stress response in plant species, causing biochemical changes [22].
With the citations pointing to:
- Proceedings of the IEEE International Symposium on Electromagnetic Compatibility
- Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine
- Bioelectromagnetics
- Plant Biosystems
- Annals of Botany
- Physiologia Plantarum
Yes, I know, writing a scientific paper does involve citation tricks, but I just hate the position of "Yeah, tree-huggers are nuts, incompatible with science. Thus this paper have to be a lame joke of a science".
Interesting:
The earth’s natural RF environment has a complex periodicity that has been more or less the same within the lifespan of modern tree taxa. Before 1800, the major components of this environment were broadband radio noise from space (galactic noise), from lightning (atmospheric noise), and a smaller RF component from the sun [14]. Because of the periodic nature of the naturally occurring RF background, plants may have evolved to use those environmental signals, as well as visible light, to regulate periodic functions, and therefore they may be sensitive to anthropogenic RF input.
Its nothing personal regarding this work, I actually didn't even look at it yet.
Also its possible that this researcher simply wasnt allowed to publish elsewhere because people automatically rejected her premise as wacky
Ok. Thanks. My sincere suggestion: RFTA (the author is not a researcher, she didn't intend to publish or to attend conferences - she was invited to. A nice and interesting story beyond the findings ... and the possible conclusions - which, until someone would experiment with due care, are disputable).
What I said: by R-ingTFA, it does not appear to me as a "nut's job". /.-ers to read: apologies if I mislead you in thinking I don't know how the "peer-reviewing and academia" works.
The quotation from TFA was more to tease the
fyi, "peer reviewed" doesn't neccesarily mean peer reviewed by someone who cared or knew what they were talking about.
I should understand that the paper is still irrelevant and "an emission of a nut that doesn't do science", in spite of being presented twice in conferences to an audience which (I assume) cares and published (after being peer-reviewed) in the International Journal of Forestry Research.
I would like to thank Lightning Terminals for getting me a replacement keyboard so I could finish this article.
when (at least, part of) his initial problem was:
I am left typing on a undersized keyboard that has no life.
But I do agree that the other part of it is surely solved
I'm left facing a display screen that has no significant weight behind it
Right... how to make a portable into a transportable.
Or, you know, nothing beats a peer code review when the source code is presented on a listing (or punch cards) - at least the peer will be less inclined to criticise. The slight problem: keep the listing/punch cards from falling of your desk... you certainly need some weight there.
Like most of these studies that the news media have orgasms over, I suspect that they would be able to find whatever they wanted to prove. Science without mathematics, indeed.
Yeap. Parasite Correlated With World Cup Success - that's science indeed. /. too).
/.-ish science, but covers all your needs (meant to be ironic, not sarcastic - after all, I'm wasting my time on
The nuts weren't doing science, they were just being nuts.
So this is more of the same shit, same as the "cellphones kill honeybees" and so on. They do not consider it logically, they are just reactionary.
I have some problems your "the same shit": to me is a valid "data point", worth investigating further. TFA:
The paper was later accepted for presentation at the North American Forest Ecology Workshop at Utah State University in Logan last June. As a result of that presentation, her paper was accepted to be published in a special edition from the workshop of the peer-reviewed online International Journal of Forestry Research.
Does the peer-reviewing automatically make the preliminary findings true? No. But it certainly does make the paper worth more to my eyes than the correlation between toxo infestation and World Cup results.
The irony of this is that this occurs in a country that professes itself to be the "land of the free and the home of the brave", and its citizens seems to get a little angry when people suggest that it isn't in either case
Just a little out-of-order wording. Let me try a correction:
The Land of the Home and Free of the Brave.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
The more you steal from the public domain, the less I care about abiding by copyright law.
You can't steal from the public domain.
Matter of wording. To clarify the "translation", some questions:
— How do you call denying the ability for everyone to use the public domain?
—What term/word you use to call the extension of the copyright duration?
—(apologies) what world are you living in?
and statistics (umm... probability juggling based on hind-sights).
Oh goody - programmable number plates. What could possibly go wrong. I can just imagine how happy the jackers are going to be - no need to switch plates, just upload a custom firmware and you're gold.
Huh? Firmware upgrade? You're kidding, right?
Why risk a conviction through DMCA while a low tech attack is possible? Like: just impair the connection allowing the plate to know what speed you drive on and the red camera will catch the ad of the moment.
Average Joe cannot be required to know how to maintain an "eAd plate" in good functioning order (by contrast with the traditional plate), but he might know just enough to "artistically" severe a wire so that it will look like "normal wear" (and fight in court whatever speeding ticket the police would be able to send him after a possible long and costly investigation.
So, they'll have Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7, Windows Embedded Compact 7, Windows Embedded Handheld ...
"Me too" attitude (what? let Android be the only one with fragmented market?) ... Nothing new from Microsoft, including the "shoot yourself in the foot... no that foot... the other one. Atta boy!"
Transporting anything from the moon to the earth is so expensive that it likely isn't worth mining.
Building/launching from moon some space factories (or whatever needed) to mine the asteroids would be an investment that will pay for sure.
If you want to assemble that stuff locally, do you know how large the factories we use to build our tools are? You'd still have to ferry hundreds of tons of gear there and that's expensive.
Just a question of energy availability (and some time... and some human presence) to actually build those factories straight there.
Probably dropping some small Rickovers will cost less for a starter - the kind flown to the McMurdo station some time ago.
I guess I read too much Kim Stanley Robinson
It's got nothing whatsoever to do with Windows. If your architecture cannot maintain its SLAs in light of a planned server restart, then it is broken (or your SLAs are inappropriate). This is true no matter what the OS is.
Hmmm... Now I see your point. A case of "Law of unintended consequences", I'd say. Let's explore it, shall we? ... and they didn't/couldn't invest enough in a "proper architecture" to maintain their SLA...
... they asked Microsoft to release their security updates at a slower pace...
... which translated in the adoption of the "responsible disclosure - gimme 60 days or more to patch" monstrosity.
Because:
1. corporate customers used Windows (which requires a reboot after applying security patching. And everyone knows that security patches are as unavoidable as death-and-taxes)...
2.
3.
4.
The customers are to blame, why should one stick the teeth into Microsoft's neck? Or, for the matter, in Tavis Ormandy's? What a world!
You're missing the point.
Oh, do I?
My problem is: why should I restart an entire OS when and stop answering to HTTP requests (for example) only the email server needs to be patched? (granted, I made the mistake of co-hosting them on the same box and choosing a Windows OS).
Hang on... You know what? You are absolutely right, I'm missing a point here. And this point is: how come the inability of Windows OS-es to handle security patching without a reboot became a case of "broken architecture - not being able to handle planned outages"
My respects
Am I willing to sacrifice the scientists to get rid of the politicians?
Yes. Yes I am.
Please do reconsider! Politicians regenerate faster than the scientists (same as weeds vs crops).
Thanks for that - I'd consider the post as rather informative...
Event thought the predictability is "when the wind blows up the mountain" or "sunny daytime over a fresh ploughed area or asphalt" (what if no such conditions?) and the position may not be that stable (e.g. cited article: "For example, in 2007, Britain experienced severe flooding as a result of the polar jet staying south for the summer")
1. finding them during night time
2. finding their location in a predictable way... and when you need them.
This is where the bore-holes are unbeatable [large grin again... I mean... what can go wrong?]
Combined, solar and thermal energy (i.e. the energy of thermal air updraft) would yield a plane that could stay in the air forever.
[grin... quite a large one] I like the flying forever concept.
And what a wonderful idea: dig some huge bores through the Earth crust and let the planes sore into the night using geothermal. Alternatively, lit/maintain some huge fires to create some constant lift around the globe and suddenly the aviation is no longer affected by oil prices... Errr... wait...
If a planned reboot disrupts services in a meaningful way, then your architecture is broken. This is true regardless of what OS you're running.
If the OS running the architecture does not require a reboot after applying security patches, then I don't need to schedule for downtime... no matter how the architecture might be.
Could it be that you haven't yet heard of the "just restart the service" approach or even hot-patching?
So let me get this straight ... what you're saying is ... handing out guns to every random passer-by is a good way to teach gun safety and prevent murder by shooting?
That has to qualify as one of the most ignorant statements I've ever seen.
I reckon that, to some extent, the percentage of "murder by shooting" in the cause-of-death statistics will go very low indeed... while the "manslaughter by shooting" will... so to say... shoot to the sky.
Their big corporate clients asked/insisted for it. MS released patches (sometimes one day after the other) for decades until they the big corps pressured them into a monthly cycle to make the corps in house testing easier.
Yes, it's the customers' fault that even the MS patches can be buggy, isn't it? Also, customers are also to blame because applying a security patch requires a reboot.
Nokia's concept of Gorilla arm
(needs sunscreen)
I don't think it's a computer's or a phone's job to keep a driver's hands on the wheel any more than a coffee cup's or a burrito's.
I reckon my initial "challenge" was just a reaction to what seemed to me as an unnatural field of applications suggested by TFA.
The augmented reality glasses thrown in the combination does make lot of sense.