Will anything actually change as a result of this? Or are such concerns now quaintly archaic?
Only the rule, brother, only the rule remained But... don't despair... the next administration will be conservative, thus "deregulation" will be the main marching order (otherwise how would the coprorations get their profit during recession times?)
Imagine putting a sign on your front lawn. A month later you bring it inside your house. Since the sign was public, does that mean the police no longer need a warrant? If twitter loses this appeal, the answer to that question will be no. It is essentially saying anything made public can never be made private. Now, if someone took pictures of that sign on your lawn, that's another matter. So a snapshot of a public site would be fair game. So much so, I wonder if the police monitor tweets and store potentially interesting ones?
You can't unsay what you have said. If you scream at someone "I'm gonna kill you", it will be used against you.
Yes, but if you didn't record me at that time, don't ask me to scream again.
I saw a Windows tablet at Staples the other day when I was picking up my Nexus 7. It's about twice as thick as any other tablet on display. I wonder why that is.
My guess: thermal insulation... you see, it's bad when the components overheat because of the strain Office 2013 put on them, but is worse when the customers suffer burns because of it.
Yeah, I totally want to replace my 3.3GHz quad-core i5 system with an ARM that's a tiny fraction of the speed, just because Microsoft lock me out of the new motherboards.
ADHD much today?
TFA quote:
Microsoft demands that ARM computers sold for Windows 8 be set up so that the user cannot change the keys;
Manufacturers should be free to do whathever they want with the devices they create.
There always have to be limits on how products are made for society to function. What is wrong with allowing the board to boot another OS?
Well... you'd better start telling about these limits to Sony, with "Other OS" still being locked. (not that I support a BIOS lock, but just pointing that "fair" is not an attribute of the today's world... some/many times, not even "legal" is such attribute).
Is this book about a Dystopia? This sounds like such an incredibly clumsy and inefficient system that I'm hoping the book is a lost Stanislaw Lem satire.
Ummm... like "The Trap of Gargantius"? It's not quite lost and I wouldn't consider it a satire.
That sort of democracy can quickly turn into chaos and then anarchy.
You might think that yet Switzerland has a democratic system which is the closest I have seen to the "everyone votes on everything" idea and yet is an incredibly stable country. I think part of the reason for this is that people get to decide things at the local level which makes for strong communities since they have a sense of control. Certainly you don't seem to get the usual sense of powerlessness caused by the politicians listening to rich special interest groups and trampling all over society in their hurry to get that money.
True, the fact that local things get decided locally is one of the things that make the system work (each of its 26 cantons (states) has its own constitution, its own executive, its own parliament, its own courts and its own law).
Probably another particularity which makes the things work is something that the americans would probably consider crazy - cooperation and not competition in politics. Seems to me as a country that evolved on the idea that a stable community will offer better chances for everybody be happy than "the pursuit of happiness on individual basis". Weird, eh?
I wonder if the author fully recognizes the primary downfall of the "NMA" model: boredom and single-mindedness. If the "flash-mobs" and other self-organizing units we've seen pop up over the last few years really do suggest the future, then the future is filled with groups who'll come together for roughly 15 minutes to vaguely complain about some particular topic, and then wander on off to ride bikes. All traditional structures need to do is weather the 15 minutes and then continue on as normal.
Ummm... is it? What if the need turn out to be "weather 50 new incidents spawning every 5 minutes, each one requiring 15 minutes"?
What about a population with enough time (because of the technology advances) to learn of a new "Whitehouse petition" and vote on it? How long 'til the "traditional" structures are obviously no longer appropriate to react to the needs of the society? (many of us know this already. Now, assume your kids/grandkids would be more able to process the information at higher speed than us and more able to put a pressure on the govts than the second amendment currently offers us).
Yes, but... how DMCA applies in this case? The manufacturer never made the 3D plans available, so there's nothing "copyrightable" to copy.
They never made plans available to the public, that doesn't mean there are no 3D plans; unpublished works still copyright,
possibly even if you can derive the plans by looking at the physical object.
Seems improbable to obtain copyright for something that you did not publish or did not register a copyrightable work (otherwise, I would be able to claim that I wrote... whatever... before the original author). The only question is: would expressing a blue-print in tangible object equates to "publishing the blue-print"?
There seem to be even exceptions to the copyright for "useful articles" - which seem to indicate that the utilitarian/functional aspects of an article are not copyrightable (at least this is how I interpret "If a pictorial, graphic or sculptural work is a useful article, it is copyrighted only if its aesthetic features are separable from its utilitarian features").
Can a mass produced artifact - more than that, it is an accessory to something, not the something in itself - be subject to copyright laws?
Lock makers usually use patents, not copyrights, for control of manufacture of keys.
Then the principles (at least) for the invention need to be described in the patent application. As I doubt that an eventual patent (if existing) would be so specific to describe the 3D blueprints and I really doubt the patent application can make claims on the "locking/unlocking cuffs" as a principle... it's much probable the manufacturer relied on trade secrets for the "key blue-prints". If I'm right then reverse engineering them is fair game.
A "key" -- the physical object whose shape is dictated by its function (operating a lock) can't be copyrighted,
but the blueprints might be.
Patents prohibit unauthorized parties from making and selling a patented key.
Copyrights prohibit unauthorized parties from recreating and selling something derived from
and substantially similar to copyright-protected plans.
As I said, I doubt there is a copyright protection if the blue-prints were not published or (at least) registered with a copyright authority. Question is: if the later (registered work), would a copyright authority have any right in not disclosing the blue-prints when asked by third parties? I don't think so... if kept secret, then it would be contrary to the very principle of copyright (you have exclusivity over a limited period of time provided that you publish a work for the benefit of the society).
If you're a startup I don't see how it's a mistake. From TFA: "China was selected because it is the largest, most rapidly expanding smartphone market in the world, according to Jolla Chairman Antti Saarnio." This seems like a logical first step to me. Get established there first, then move on to more expensive markets once you are established.
Supplementary: if Nokia decides to use their patent war chest to attack it, they'll still have the Chinese market (which is also the producing one, thus wouldn't care too much about Nokia's patent). If they start in the Western world, they'd be hang high and dry in no time if a patent war is started against them.
I'm a little out of the loop on MeeGo development, but with the recent patent trolling and Microsoft loving from Nokia what makes Jolla think that even previous MeeGo agreements will be honored? If they are even enforceable Nokia has chosen a side in the free vs non-free, and just like any sinking ship honesty and goodwill are the first to go. It's not like a major corporation has ever crushed a smaller one just to be mean... Elop is did learn from the best on that one.
This would probably explain why they decided to go on the Chinese market at first.
Ray plans to post the CAD file for the key on the 3D printing site Thingiverse after LockCon later this week."
If the lock maker is anything like other lock makers, it's likely to result in them sending in the lawyers
and somehow contriving DMCA-takedown notices
Yes, but... how DMCA applies in this case? The manufacturer never made the 3D plans available, so there's nothing "copyrightable" to copy. The current CAD plans were reverse engineered but... not after something digital (thus subject to the copyright laws and DigitalMCA) but using a physical artifact. Can a mass produced artifact - more than that, it is an accessory to something, not the something in itself - be subject to copyright laws?
America outspend the rest of the world on what it still calls "defense".
I wonder why. Could it be for the same reason that a jewelry store outspends a hot dog stand on defense?
A perfect example of "American Exceptionalism". Wake up, buddy, you ARE a hot-dog joint... maybe bigger than a stand, but still a fast-food establishment. You only need to look for what US tries so hard to sell nowadays... crappy Hollywood movies/music.
Slashdot Mirror
(right... I started to feel I overstayed on /.)
"government's spying efforts exceeded the legal limits at least once (PDF), meaning it is also officially 'unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment"
So the central question then is this; if the limits imposed on the federal government are not defined by the Constitution, what ARE the limits?
Doh... do you have to ask?? Whatever the "free market" allows.
Will anything actually change as a result of this? Or are such concerns now quaintly archaic?
Only the rule, brother, only the rule remained
But... don't despair... the next administration will be conservative, thus "deregulation" will be the main marching order (otherwise how would the coprorations get their profit during recession times?)
The US has already lost it's war on terror - its government and its citizens live in terror every moment of every day.
The worst part is the government fears its citizens and the citizens fear their government.
And everybody seems to enjoy it? (otherwise can't explain why the situation is tolerated).
Like, say, the place with the lowest local taxation and weakest safety regulations.
That would be international waters.
Google says it's 0.238584003 light-seconds... not that heavy, I suppose.
Imagine putting a sign on your front lawn. A month later you bring it inside your house. Since the sign was public, does that mean the police no longer need a warrant? If twitter loses this appeal, the answer to that question will be no. It is essentially saying anything made public can never be made private. Now, if someone took pictures of that sign on your lawn, that's another matter. So a snapshot of a public site would be fair game. So much so, I wonder if the police monitor tweets and store potentially interesting ones?
You can't unsay what you have said. If you scream at someone "I'm gonna kill you", it will be used against you.
Yes, but if you didn't record me at that time, don't ask me to scream again.
I saw a Windows tablet at Staples the other day when I was picking up my Nexus 7. It's about twice as thick as any other tablet on display. I wonder why that is.
My guess: thermal insulation... you see, it's bad when the components overheat because of the strain Office 2013 put on them, but is worse when the customers suffer burns because of it.
Yeah, I totally want to replace my 3.3GHz quad-core i5 system with an ARM that's a tiny fraction of the speed, just because Microsoft lock me out of the new motherboards.
ADHD much today?
TFA quote:
Microsoft demands that ARM computers sold for Windows 8 be set up so that the user cannot change the keys;
it was fun while it lasted but open source just can't compete with the cathedral.
No shit!?! I mean... Arduino? Raspberry Pi? (should wait for time to confirm it, but anyway... Ouya?) Seems like a progression to me in open hardware.
Manufacturers should be free to do whathever they want with the devices they create.
There always have to be limits on how products are made for society to function. What is wrong with allowing the board to boot another OS?
Well... you'd better start telling about these limits to Sony, with "Other OS" still being locked. (not that I support a BIOS lock, but just pointing that "fair" is not an attribute of the today's world... some/many times, not even "legal" is such attribute).
Lots of people have been killed over all of these.
In US... true. But I'd rather learn something from the Swiss people - they didn't kill anybody for these.
Is this book about a Dystopia? This sounds like such an incredibly clumsy and inefficient system that I'm hoping the book is a lost Stanislaw Lem satire.
Ummm... like "The Trap of Gargantius"? It's not quite lost and I wouldn't consider it a satire.
That sort of democracy can quickly turn into chaos and then anarchy.
You might think that yet Switzerland has a democratic system which is the closest I have seen to the "everyone votes on everything" idea and yet is an incredibly stable country. I think part of the reason for this is that people get to decide things at the local level which makes for strong communities since they have a sense of control. Certainly you don't seem to get the usual sense of powerlessness caused by the politicians listening to rich special interest groups and trampling all over society in their hurry to get that money.
True, the fact that local things get decided locally is one of the things that make the system work (each of its 26 cantons (states) has its own constitution, its own executive, its own parliament, its own courts and its own law).
Probably another particularity which makes the things work is something that the americans would probably consider crazy - cooperation and not competition in politics. Seems to me as a country that evolved on the idea that a stable community will offer better chances for everybody be happy than "the pursuit of happiness on individual basis". Weird, eh?
they will all be out of a job
Recycled as astroturfurs?
I wonder if the author fully recognizes the primary downfall of the "NMA" model: boredom and single-mindedness. If the "flash-mobs" and other self-organizing units we've seen pop up over the last few years really do suggest the future, then the future is filled with groups who'll come together for roughly 15 minutes to vaguely complain about some particular topic, and then wander on off to ride bikes. All traditional structures need to do is weather the 15 minutes and then continue on as normal.
Ummm... is it? What if the need turn out to be "weather 50 new incidents spawning every 5 minutes, each one requiring 15 minutes"?
What about a population with enough time (because of the technology advances) to learn of a new "Whitehouse petition" and vote on it? How long 'til the "traditional" structures are obviously no longer appropriate to react to the needs of the society? (many of us know this already. Now, assume your kids/grandkids would be more able to process the information at higher speed than us and more able to put a pressure on the govts than the second amendment currently offers us).
Yes, but... how DMCA applies in this case? The manufacturer never made the 3D plans available, so there's nothing "copyrightable" to copy.
They never made plans available to the public, that doesn't mean there are no 3D plans; unpublished works still copyright, possibly even if you can derive the plans by looking at the physical object.
Seems improbable to obtain copyright for something that you did not publish or did not register a copyrightable work (otherwise, I would be able to claim that I wrote ... whatever ... before the original author). The only question is: would expressing a blue-print in tangible object equates to "publishing the blue-print"?
There seem to be even exceptions to the copyright for "useful articles" - which seem to indicate that the utilitarian/functional aspects of an article are not copyrightable (at least this is how I interpret "If a pictorial, graphic or sculptural work is a useful article, it is copyrighted only if its aesthetic features are separable from its utilitarian features").
Can a mass produced artifact - more than that, it is an accessory to something, not the something in itself - be subject to copyright laws?
Lock makers usually use patents, not copyrights, for control of manufacture of keys.
Then the principles (at least) for the invention need to be described in the patent application. As I doubt that an eventual patent (if existing) would be so specific to describe the 3D blueprints and I really doubt the patent application can make claims on the "locking/unlocking cuffs" as a principle... it's much probable the manufacturer relied on trade secrets for the "key blue-prints". If I'm right then reverse engineering them is fair game.
A "key" -- the physical object whose shape is dictated by its function (operating a lock) can't be copyrighted, but the blueprints might be.
Patents prohibit unauthorized parties from making and selling a patented key.
Copyrights prohibit unauthorized parties from recreating and selling something derived from and substantially similar to copyright-protected plans.
As I said, I doubt there is a copyright protection if the blue-prints were not published or (at least) registered with a copyright authority. Question is: if the later (registered work), would a copyright authority have any right in not disclosing the blue-prints when asked by third parties? I don't think so... if kept secret, then it would be contrary to the very principle of copyright (you have exclusivity over a limited period of time provided that you publish a work for the benefit of the society).
If you're a startup I don't see how it's a mistake. From TFA: "China was selected because it is the largest, most rapidly expanding smartphone market in the world, according to Jolla Chairman Antti Saarnio." This seems like a logical first step to me. Get established there first, then move on to more expensive markets once you are established.
Supplementary: if Nokia decides to use their patent war chest to attack it, they'll still have the Chinese market (which is also the producing one, thus wouldn't care too much about Nokia's patent). If they start in the Western world, they'd be hang high and dry in no time if a patent war is started against them.
I'm a little out of the loop on MeeGo development, but with the recent patent trolling and Microsoft loving from Nokia what makes Jolla think that even previous MeeGo agreements will be honored? If they are even enforceable Nokia has chosen a side in the free vs non-free, and just like any sinking ship honesty and goodwill are the first to go. It's not like a major corporation has ever crushed a smaller one just to be mean... Elop is did learn from the best on that one.
This would probably explain why they decided to go on the Chinese market at first.
Ray plans to post the CAD file for the key on the 3D printing site Thingiverse after LockCon later this week."
If the lock maker is anything like other lock makers, it's likely to result in them sending in the lawyers and somehow contriving DMCA-takedown notices
Yes, but... how DMCA applies in this case? The manufacturer never made the 3D plans available, so there's nothing "copyrightable" to copy.
The current CAD plans were reverse engineered but... not after something digital (thus subject to the copyright laws and DigitalMCA) but using a physical artifact. Can a mass produced artifact - more than that, it is an accessory to something, not the something in itself - be subject to copyright laws?
America outspend the rest of the world on what it still calls "defense".
I wonder why. Could it be for the same reason that a jewelry store outspends a hot dog stand on defense?
A perfect example of "American Exceptionalism". Wake up, buddy, you ARE a hot-dog joint... maybe bigger than a stand, but still a fast-food establishment. You only need to look for what US tries so hard to sell nowadays... crappy Hollywood movies/music.
Principles can be overridden with money. Doesn't even need much.
Hmmm... are you thinking about US hiring Russian hackers?
Did they suddenly work out that lie detectors were a fraud?
No. Lately, they discovered that keeping a person in jail (and building new jails) costs much more than re-examining the case.
And how are people supposed to call me then?
Can they call you... Eightbitgnosis?
How will pedestrians cross the street?
I can't imagine autonomous cars being allowed in places where there's pedestrians. They'll be restricted to freeways.
And even if they go slower than normals cars it won't matter. You can catch up on work, use the iPad, etc. while the car is driving along.
Even if it's ten minutes longer I'm betting the commute will seem much shorter than before - because you'll be doing other stuff.
It'll probably save a lot of gas, too.
If you can catch up on work using the iPad, etc then why the do you need to commute to work in the first place?