I've seen this with SMB and AFP (TCP/IP and AppleTalk) shares. I think it's a Carbon lib problem. Finder is, incomprehensibly, written using Carbon and therefore has problems understanding things like Unix file permissions and networks. So we may be waiting for a new Cocoa Finder before this problem goes away.
Finder mostly works but it's a little less stable than pretty much any other app installed by default on a fresh OSX install.
It doesn't quite understand file permissions / ownership. I mount my home directory via NFS from a Linux server and often can't create, copy or move files in the Finder because of spurious permission errors that don't seem to apply if I do it manually from the Terminal.
Also, try disconnecting the ethernet cable while you have remote volumes mounted. The Finder becomes steadily less responsive and pretty soon you can't do anything. I often put my laptop to sleep, go home, open the laptop and find that I need to reboot because I forgot to unmount something before I left the office.
I've heard it's a Carbon app. The Carbon libraries are very OS9 centric and might be useful for porting old apps to OSX but are hardly suitable for the app which is the front end of the whole GUI.
1. You can't close source a GPL program. It's a violation of the license. Surely this applies to the original author as much as anybody else. Besides, all previous releases of the code are still available under the GPL so all it would take is for keen developers to hijack the project and it breathe new life into it. Give it up for the GPL.
2. I hate April 1st. I hate Slashdot on April 1st. I hate that where I live it is 10am April 2nd but I'm still reading these stupid April Fool's Day stories. The Slashdot editors seem to live in this little USA bubble immune from awareness of the outside world. I'm sick of polls that are not only stupid but also irrelevent to me because there is no answer suitable for a person who doesn't live in America. And most of all, every time I type './' at a shell prompt I ask myself, 'Where did those bozos get slashdot from anyway, it's clearly dotslash ?' I propose that right thinking people the world over unite in opposition to Slashdot, that we rewrite slash code in Python (I really don't like Perl. I've used it. It's ok. There's better ways of getting the same thing done. It reads like line noise. I think Larry Wall is high on goof balls. I'm not trying to start some kind of Python v. Perl flame war. ), register dotslash.org and run a fairly moderated open minded news site with no Microsoft advertisements, an acceptance of the exitence of the world outside America, no repeats of the previous day's stories, fewer stories about miniscule updates to the Linux kernel, less Apple brown nosing, even more Microsoft bashing and, most important of all, it will be 'News for Geeks'. I find the term Nerd highly pejorative.
You can run windowmaker instead of quartz-wm and it is cool, although things look a little cluttered with the clip and windowmaker dock overlayed on the normal OSX desktop.
Not really the point though. The question was can you run it full screen and the answer is no. Apple's X11 will only run rootless. If you want full screen you need to use the XDarwin port of XFree86. It doesn't use any hardware acceleration for rendering so it is a lot slower than Apple's X11 but it can be run fullscreen or rootless. You can even kill the OSX window server and start XDarwin from a console login which is how you'd get a GUI going if you just installed Darwin rather than OSX.
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I recall a time when O'Reilly published excellent books on interesting technical subjects. They weren't neccesarily definitive works but they were well researched, well written, often a good deal lighter and smaller and easier to cart around in your backpack than hardcover bound gazillion page epics and they had those neat little pictures, which I suppose they still have, of bunnies and tigers and camels and such.
Now there are about 75 billion titles. Underwater Basket Weaving in XML. Genital Hygene with.NET. See Spot Run and write a Perl script. The Love That Dare Not Speak It's Name While Hacking Some Awesome DHTML Tricks With Javascript And Then Going To The Toilet, though not in a rude way, how lucky you English are to find the toilet such a source of amusement, for us it is strictly functional.
If O'Reilly was a pet it would be like a stinky old dog that isn't cute anymore and it's blind in one eye and has fleas and pees when it's excited.
I don't suppose too many OS9 users spend much time at Slashdot.
I wonder if they're having the same experience.
That might tend to suggest bad batch of batteries, rather than bad OSX update. I wonder how much software control there is over battery charging. I'd have expected it to be under hardware control with software monitoring to retrieve current battery charge.
Is this key combination correct ? Is it specific to the PowerBook ? Shift+Ctrl+Alt+Power just powers up my 12" iBook (White, 500Mhz, dual usb) straight away. Is this combination supposed to reset the PMU ? I'm getting very sucky battery life on my iBook lately.
I think the site is a Wiki. Probably a Swiki actually. Notice the 'edit' button at the top of the page. Save is password protected. I guess somebody guessed/hacked the password.
I didn't find anything on the downloads page. Disappointing. This could be interesting. Squeak itself seems like fun. I've tinkered a little but I don't know enough Smalltalk to have done anything useful yet. There's a Squeak browser plugin available from Squeakland and lots of Squeak goodness at Squeak, including ports of the virtual machine to most platforms and lots of docs and tutorials.
An interesting alternative to Java if you have a yen to write cross platform code that runs in a lumbering, slow, resource hogging virtual machine. And it has the little mouse thing. I like the little mouse thing.
Actually Python modules are compiled to a non system specific byte code the first time they are run and are recompiled at runtime only if the source has changed.
The interpreter then interprets the byte code. This is faster than having to parse the original source during execution.
Writing Python extension modules in C is straightforward, provided you are familiar with C, and is very well documented. This gives you the speed benefits of C. Some of the standard Python library modules have been rewritten in C for improved performance. eg. There are two version of the pickling (data serialising) module. Pickle and CPickle. CPickle is a lot faster.
I assume Perl can be extended with modules written in compiled languages as well.
It is cool, intuitive, pretty, etc. but it's not fast. I've grown used to some of the GUI being sluggish on both my iBook and my much faster G4 but on the odd ocassion I find myself using a Windows machine I find the interface generally blisteringly fast by comparison. (it's such a shame that Windows itself is so relentlessly sucky)
I like that there is very little that can be customised in the OSX GUI. When I used KDE or Gnome I'm lost in a sea of options and finding the options to tweak to get it the way I like is very time consuming. The Apple guys have put a lot of thought into this interface and I really like the way it works. So much so that I find Carbon and Java apps which don't conform to the Cocoa interface guidlines really annoying to use, even when the apps themselves are good.
There's no shortage of editors which will save files properly. If I ever have the misfortune to find myself trying to work on a Windows machine I download vim. Or you could try winpython. I suspect it has the option to save not broken files and it also does neat code completion stuff.
Why make whitespace vital ? Why use braces to mark a block in code ? Why use line numbers ?
You have to have some way of letting the compiler/interpreter know what's inside/outside a for/if/while etc. block. The whitespace thing takes a little getting used to but it follows the indentation rules you probably should be applying to your code anyway in the interests of producing readable and hopefully maintainable code so it shouldn't be too great a hardship.
A 'Hello World' applet run using appletviewer. Ok cpu usage is at 0.0% which is to be expected since the applet doesn't do anything once it's painted the display, but look at RSIZE. 13.4M. And you can expect that number to blow out pretty quickly as the code is extended to make it do something useful.
Hello World in C has a resident size of 304K. Granted that's just using printf to output to a console but it's still a dramatic difference.
Hello World in Python. 1.58M.
Swing is bloated and slow ? Of course it is, it's written in Java. It uses AWT to build more advanced GUI components. All of it written in Java. And if I don't use Swing ? Then I end up with a fairly crap looking application which, one way or the other, uses lots of memory, hogs the CPU and runs like a dog. Cool.
"...a revised opinion of the best Java for Linux."
You seem to have forgotten about platform independence. These editors almost certainly run on any platform for which there is a version of the JVM.
That was the big selling point of Java wasn't it ? Write once, run (slowly) anywhere (provided there's enough memory and cpu cycles free and you weren't planning on running anything else because all your resource are belong to Java).
The internal fan on my iBook 500 runs all the time. It should only come on when the machine warms up. I've tried resetting the PMU. Doesn't work. If I boot into OS9 I've noticed the fan does spin down when the hard disk goes to sleep. Never switches off in OSX, and it's running from the moment the power is switched on so I suspect it's hardware, not OS related.
Does anybody else have the same problem ? It's not a biggie but it does sap the battery and the noise is a little irritating if I'm working in a quiet room.
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Nobody *needs* tabs. But once I got into the habit of using them I found them invaluable and wouldn't want to return to tab free browsing.
Tabs allow me to group related pages in one window. eg. When I read Slashdot I often open interesting looking linked articles in the background, intending to read them once I'm finished with Slashdot. Sometimes I'd find these windows hours later, minimised or hidden, and wonder why I'd opened them and how I got there. Now they are all tabs in a window whose first tab is Slashdot. This makes the context obvious.
The same applies to use of search engines. Search for the thing that interests you, open each lead in a new tab in the current window. All search results end up opened in the same window and are therefore linked by context.
very useful memory aid. I'm not getting any younger.
I work as a programmer. I do most of my work in Python, some C and Objective-C,occasioanlly Java and , with a view to writing Mozilla XUL apps, I guess I'll be learning some Javascript. I see scripting languages as being programming languages which are designed to automate the functions of applications, GUI frameworks, operating systems, whatever. For example Applescript allows you to script interactions with Mac apps and the Mac OS. VBScript does the same with Windows and Javascript does something similar with web browsers and the DOM. Languages like Python, Perl, Tcl, Ruby, etc. are interpreted languages and programs written in them are sometimes referred to as scripts but I don't think it is correct to call them scripting languages. They are true programming languages, without the limitations of a scripting language. The real distinction here is that they are all interpreted rather than compiled.
In Neal Stephenson's "Diamond Age" an intelligent, interactive book powered by mongo nanotech falls into the hands of a young, semi-literate, white-trash girl who, through it's influence at a formative and inately inquisitive phase of her development, blossoms into an intelligent, informed, inquiring woman of near limitless perspicacity. Then there was some other stuff about humanity and blah blah blah and basically a whole bunch of crap which doesn't entirely support my argument, which is that if one or two of these things is made available in every poor, remote village in a third world country, and if curious youngters who don't have access to formal education gain access to them, and if the youngsters are able to connect them to the net using the single crappy phone line that runs into their village then suddenly they have a whole world of information at their fingertips. Over time this could have an enourmous affect on the rural populations of poor countries.
A simple example - nothing good is cheap in second hand shops in little country towns anymore because, despite physical isolation, the shop keeper can look up any curious thing that comes their way on e-bay and find there's come schlep out there who's willing to pay a packet for [insert name of weird collectable something here]
Apply the same logic to global crop prices and suddenly these people will have clear evidence of how badly they are being shafted by global capitalism. Whether or not they can do anything about it is a separate question, but knowledge and information may help to get the ball rolling.
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I've seen this with SMB and AFP (TCP/IP and AppleTalk) shares. I think it's a Carbon lib problem. Finder is, incomprehensibly, written using Carbon and therefore has problems understanding things like Unix file permissions and networks. So we may be waiting for a new Cocoa Finder before this problem goes away.
Finder mostly works but it's a little less stable than pretty much any other app installed by default on a fresh OSX install.
It doesn't quite understand file permissions / ownership. I mount my home directory via NFS from a Linux server and often can't create, copy or move files in the Finder because of spurious permission errors that don't seem to apply if I do it manually from the Terminal.
Also, try disconnecting the ethernet cable while you have remote volumes mounted. The Finder becomes steadily less responsive and pretty soon you can't do anything. I often put my laptop to sleep, go home, open the laptop and find that I need to reboot because I forgot to unmount something before I left the office.
I've heard it's a Carbon app. The Carbon libraries are very OS9 centric and might be useful for porting old apps to OSX but are hardly suitable for the app which is the front end of the whole GUI.
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1. You can't close source a GPL program. It's a violation of the license. Surely this applies to the original author as much as anybody else. Besides, all previous releases of the code are still available under the GPL so all it would take is for keen developers to hijack the project and it breathe new life into it. Give it up for the GPL.
2. I hate April 1st. I hate Slashdot on April 1st. I hate that where I live it is 10am April 2nd but I'm still reading these stupid April Fool's Day stories. The Slashdot editors seem to live in this little USA bubble immune from awareness of the outside world. I'm sick of polls that are not only stupid but also irrelevent to me because there is no answer suitable for a person who doesn't live in America. And most of all, every time I type './' at a shell prompt I ask myself, 'Where did those bozos get slashdot from anyway, it's clearly dotslash ?' I propose that right thinking people the world over unite in opposition to Slashdot, that we rewrite slash code in Python (I really don't like Perl. I've used it. It's ok. There's better ways of getting the same thing done. It reads like line noise. I think Larry Wall is high on goof balls. I'm not trying to start some kind of Python v. Perl flame war. ), register dotslash.org and run a fairly moderated open minded news site with no Microsoft advertisements, an acceptance of the exitence of the world outside America, no repeats of the previous day's stories, fewer stories about miniscule updates to the Linux kernel, less Apple brown nosing, even more Microsoft bashing and, most important of all, it will be 'News for Geeks'. I find the term Nerd highly pejorative.
Sorry. I really needed to get that off my chest.
Yeah, and I get a lot of spam so e-mail is stupid.
I'm not wearing any pants as I install this software update.
Now, where's 10.2.5 ?
You can run windowmaker instead of quartz-wm and it is cool, although things look a little cluttered with the clip and windowmaker dock overlayed on the normal OSX desktop.
Not really the point though. The question was can you run it full screen and the answer is no. Apple's X11 will only run rootless. If you want full screen you need to use the XDarwin port of XFree86. It doesn't use any hardware acceleration for rendering so it is a lot slower than Apple's X11 but it can be run fullscreen or rootless. You can even kill the OSX window server and start XDarwin from a console login which is how you'd get a GUI going if you just installed Darwin rather than OSX.
I recall a time when O'Reilly published excellent books on interesting technical subjects. They weren't neccesarily definitive works but they were well researched, well written, often a good deal lighter and smaller and easier to cart around in your backpack than hardcover bound gazillion page epics and they had those neat little pictures, which I suppose they still have, of bunnies and tigers and camels and such.
Now there are about 75 billion titles. Underwater Basket Weaving in XML. Genital Hygene with .NET. See Spot Run and write a Perl script. The Love That Dare Not Speak It's Name While Hacking Some Awesome DHTML Tricks With Javascript And Then Going To The Toilet, though not in a rude way, how lucky you English are to find the toilet such a source of amusement, for us it is strictly functional.
If O'Reilly was a pet it would be like a stinky old dog that isn't cute anymore and it's blind in one eye and has fleas and pees when it's excited.
A real programming language ? I thought we were talking about Java.
Ok, well get rid of all the GNU stuff and what do you have left ? No shell, no *nix tools, not even the compiler you need to build the kernel.
The greatest part of any distribution is GNU.
I propose we change the name to Gnunix.
And then we raise a posse and pay SCO a visit, learn those boys a thing or two about a thing or two.
I don't suppose too many OS9 users spend much time at Slashdot.
I wonder if they're having the same experience.
That might tend to suggest bad batch of batteries, rather than bad OSX update. I wonder how much software control there is over battery charging. I'd have expected it to be under hardware control with software monitoring to retrieve current battery charge.
Of course, I don't know anything about hardware.
capacity = 1752.
Not happy at all.
Is this key combination correct ?
Is it specific to the PowerBook ?
Shift+Ctrl+Alt+Power just powers up my 12" iBook (White, 500Mhz, dual usb) straight away.
Is this combination supposed to reset the PMU ?
I'm getting very sucky battery life on my iBook lately.
I think the site is a Wiki. Probably a Swiki actually. Notice the 'edit' button at the top of the page. Save is password protected. I guess somebody guessed/hacked the password.
I didn't find anything on the downloads page. Disappointing. This could be interesting. Squeak itself seems like fun. I've tinkered a little but I don't know enough Smalltalk to have done anything useful yet. There's a Squeak browser plugin available from Squeakland and lots of Squeak goodness at Squeak, including ports of the virtual machine to most platforms and lots of docs and tutorials.
An interesting alternative to Java if you have a yen to write cross platform code that runs in a lumbering, slow, resource hogging virtual machine. And it has the little mouse thing. I like the little mouse thing.
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The new build of Mozilla (1.3b) uses Mach-O binaries instead of CFM. This makes it a hell of a lot faster at the expense of no longer working in OS9.
I now use Mozilla as my main browser on a 500Mhz iBook. It's fast.
Another interesting option is to install X11 and use fink to install an X build of Mozilla. Really fast, but so far no plugins.
Actually Python modules are compiled to a non system specific byte code the first time they are run and are recompiled at runtime only if the source has changed.
The interpreter then interprets the byte code. This is faster than having to parse the original source during execution.
Writing Python extension modules in C is straightforward, provided you are familiar with C, and is very well documented. This gives you the speed benefits of C. Some of the standard Python library modules have been rewritten in C for improved performance. eg. There are two version of the pickling (data serialising) module. Pickle and CPickle. CPickle is a lot faster.
I assume Perl can be extended with modules written in compiled languages as well.
It is cool, intuitive, pretty, etc. but it's not fast. I've grown used to some of the GUI being sluggish on both my iBook and my much faster G4 but on the odd ocassion I find myself using a Windows machine I find the interface generally blisteringly fast by comparison. (it's such a shame that Windows itself is so relentlessly sucky)
I like that there is very little that can be customised in the OSX GUI. When I used KDE or Gnome I'm lost in a sea of options and finding the options to tweak to get it the way I like is very time consuming. The Apple guys have put a lot of thought into this interface and I really like the way it works. So much so that I find Carbon and Java apps which don't conform to the Cocoa interface guidlines really annoying to use, even when the apps themselves are good.
There's no shortage of editors which will save files properly. If I ever have the misfortune to find myself trying to work on a Windows machine I download vim. Or you could try winpython. I suspect it has the option to save not broken files and it also does neat code completion stuff.
Why make whitespace vital ? Why use braces to mark a block in code ? Why use line numbers ?
You have to have some way of letting the compiler/interpreter know what's inside/outside a for/if/while etc. block. The whitespace thing takes a little getting used to but it follows the indentation rules you probably should be applying to your code anyway in the interests of producing readable and hopefully maintainable code so it shouldn't be too great a hardship.
A 'Hello World' applet run using appletviewer. Ok cpu usage is at 0.0% which is to be expected since the applet doesn't do anything once it's painted the display, but look at RSIZE. 13.4M. And you can expect that number to blow out pretty quickly as the code is extended to make it do something useful.
Hello World in C has a resident size of 304K. Granted that's just using printf to output to a console but it's still a dramatic difference.
Hello World in Python. 1.58M.
Swing is bloated and slow ? Of course it is, it's written in Java. It uses AWT to build more advanced GUI components. All of it written in Java. And if I don't use Swing ? Then I end up with a fairly crap looking application which, one way or the other, uses lots of memory, hogs the CPU and runs like a dog. Cool.
Java is a hopeless joke.
"...a revised opinion of the best Java for Linux."
You seem to have forgotten about platform independence. These editors almost certainly run on any platform for which there is a version of the JVM.
That was the big selling point of Java wasn't it ? Write once, run (slowly) anywhere (provided there's enough memory and cpu cycles free and you weren't planning on running anything else because all your resource are belong to Java).
The internal fan on my iBook 500 runs all the time. It should only come on when the machine warms up. I've tried resetting the PMU. Doesn't work. If I boot into OS9 I've noticed the fan does spin down when the hard disk goes to sleep. Never switches off in OSX, and it's running from the moment the power is switched on so I suspect it's hardware, not OS related.
Does anybody else have the same problem ? It's not a biggie but it does sap the battery and the noise is a little irritating if I'm working in a quiet room.
Nobody *needs* tabs. But once I got into the habit of using them I found them invaluable and wouldn't want to return to tab free browsing.
Tabs allow me to group related pages in one window. eg. When I read Slashdot I often open interesting looking linked articles in the background, intending to read them once I'm finished with Slashdot. Sometimes I'd find these windows hours later, minimised or hidden, and wonder why I'd opened them and how I got there. Now they are all tabs in a window whose first tab is Slashdot. This makes the context obvious.
The same applies to use of search engines. Search for the thing that interests you, open each lead in a new tab in the current window. All search results end up opened in the same window and are therefore linked by context.
very useful memory aid. I'm not getting any younger.
I can't get the Java player applet to work, firewall problems I suspect. (I think the applet starts and then bombs trying to retrieve the movie).
Is the text files downloadable from somewhere ?
I work as a programmer. I do most of my work in Python, some C and Objective-C,occasioanlly Java and , with a view to writing Mozilla XUL apps, I guess I'll be learning some Javascript. I see scripting languages as being programming languages which are designed to automate the functions of applications, GUI frameworks, operating systems, whatever. For example Applescript allows you to script interactions with Mac apps and the Mac OS. VBScript does the same with Windows and Javascript does something similar with web browsers and the DOM. Languages like Python, Perl, Tcl, Ruby, etc. are interpreted languages and programs written in them are sometimes referred to as scripts but I don't think it is correct to call them scripting languages. They are true programming languages, without the limitations of a scripting language. The real distinction here is that they are all interpreted rather than compiled.
In Neal Stephenson's "Diamond Age" an intelligent, interactive book powered by mongo nanotech falls into the hands of a young, semi-literate, white-trash girl who, through it's influence at a formative and inately inquisitive phase of her development, blossoms into an intelligent, informed, inquiring woman of near limitless perspicacity. Then there was some other stuff about humanity and blah blah blah and basically a whole bunch of crap which doesn't entirely support my argument, which is that if one or two of these things is made available in every poor, remote village in a third world country, and if curious youngters who don't have access to formal education gain access to them, and if the youngsters are able to connect them to the net using the single crappy phone line that runs into their village then suddenly they have a whole world of information at their fingertips. Over time this could have an enourmous affect on the rural populations of poor countries.
A simple example - nothing good is cheap in second hand shops in little country towns anymore because, despite physical isolation, the shop keeper can look up any curious thing that comes their way on e-bay and find there's come schlep out there who's willing to pay a packet for [insert name of weird collectable something here]
Apply the same logic to global crop prices and suddenly these people will have clear evidence of how badly they are being shafted by global capitalism. Whether or not they can do anything about it is a separate question, but knowledge and information may help to get the ball rolling.