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Apple Releases Beta 3 of X11
maxentius writes "Apple says the just released beta of X11 adds: pseudocolor (8-bit) visual plane support; option to quit X11 without presenting warning dialog; Command-Q keyboard shortcut to quit X11; Command-, to bring up preferences dialog; keyboard mappings with dead keys fixed; linking against libGL no longer results with multiple definitions of glGetColorTableEXT; locked files left behind in /tmp no longer block non-admin users from starting X11; windows can be resized by user to any size and not be limited by the Dock's height; dragging remotely hosted windows no longer causes crash; hardware accelerated scrolling in 16 bit mode now works; X server no longer crashes if application tried to retrieve data back from the framebuffer using XGetImage; bug fixes and other feature enhancements."
They include alot of big improvements in almost every beta release. I think it's a sign of Apple's good quality standards (well, that and an interest in avioding support issues) that they're still calling them betas, alot of companies release far buggier and less feature complete software as 1.0 versions.
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I don't know how in the hell you think you're going to get the first goddamn post by posting 8 goddamn minutes after the goddamn story was published. Moron.
I personally think it's nice that they are releasing betas to the general public for these projects. People have been playing around with betas of apple software for years, I'm sure multiple people who are reading this have installed 'Rhapsody'. So instead of making people who prefer to be on the bleeding edge of the MacOS obtain their beta products using methods not exactly 'legal', they just let us have them with the warning that they aren't quite perfect yet. For some reason, Apple people just can't wait for new products to come out. I appreciate Apple giving us our crack now, rather than making us wait for it.
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To my knowledge the digit '1' is not a roman numeral. But I could just be an idiot.
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iSync 1.0 has been out for months.
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What are you talking about?
Its "ecks eleven". Not supposed to be roman numerals.
What are some cool/usefull X11 apps that I can install on a OS X 10.2 machine
I have already used fink to install Bluefish (a html editor), XMMS (mp3 player), and tkcvs (cvs client).
and some games, scorched earth, etc.
anyone have any good ideas of other stuff that I should be running on my laptop or desktop g4s
I can feel the difference in xMahJongg. Now if I could only get my ASCII porn stuff to look better under hardware acceleration, I'd be set. Oh well, something for the next update. Hehehe.
No kidding. Did you read the grandparent?
I wonder how this beta will compare with the hardware-accelerated X-Darwin that is coming (4.3)...
The last XDarwin would run KDE 3.0.7 just fine, but the Apple beta would freeze the whole machine when I ran it... that's the primary reason I want X11 (and for Gimp...)
I'm dowloading the new Apple beta now...
dochood
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Not only do I agree with your comment, I also happen to think that they are releasing them to the public so that those people who happen to be within the programming community can check out the programs and help Apple debug them far more quickly then they could on their own. Another factor which comes into play is the concept of bragging rights that come with the release of say a new X11 client, or a brand new web browser.
Just my 2 cents...
As far as Safari and X11 go, these are built upon open source, and while they don't have to realease to the public for debugging, it is the norm.
ghostview. currently I have not found any programs as good as ghostview for manipulating eps files without losing resolution.
rasmol is the workhorse molecular graphics program
texmac is TeX with a really nice realtime wysiwyg, pallete and menu driven setup.
gimp is the Gnu answer to photoshop. about as powerful though a little less freindly and fast.
tex2im turns TeX equations into graphics. I use this with Keynote as an equation creator. (there are some other solutions too). well its not an X app but the other programs that do this are.
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Having run into this last night, please be aware that Fink's system-xfree86 package doesn't support Apple X11 0.3 yet. I'm sure that support will come soon, but it was awfully disconcerting pulling a powerbook out of its box, grabbing X11, the SDK, and Fink, and watching it mysteriously fail.
-- Brian T. Sniffen
I tried Apple's X11, but couldn't figure out how to run it full-screen with WindowMaker. (I wouldn't need this had Apple provided virtual desktops that could be switched as fast as WindowMaker does it).... So I gave up and went back to XDarwin.
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Unfortunately, the latest X11 beta still semi-randomly quits on me, almost always when launching another app. This happens on all three of my Macs, running 10.2.3 or 10.2.4.
It doesn't seem to matter which app I launch, and whether X11 is in the foreground or not, or hidden or not, during the launching. Nor does it quit every time another app is launched - just a fraction of the time. I'm in the habit now of launching every conceivable app I can think of that I might need prior to starting X11. Needless to say, that's sub-optimal. Maybe the next beta?
Every rule has an exception (except this one).
I was wondering if its possible to push aqua applications into X, because I really like my window manager (ion) and it would be a shame to have to buy another intel as my next computer
thanks in advance
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I've gotten first post 80 minutes after a story's posting time. Mind you, it was an obscure story in YRO, but it is possible.
I have apples X and I use Xemacs. Is there a easy way to make emacs or any X application act like a regular apple application? (You click on the icon it goes. Drag document to icon and it starts..).
/Aram
I tried some quick applescript things but they didn't work.
Yes there is a way. Use the OS X native version of Xemacs.
If that link doesn't work, there are other mirrors on OSXGNU's website.
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1. Never tell everything you know.
I had the Application Enhancer running as well as Fruit Menu.
From my reading of Unsanity's website, FruitMenu contains AE anyway, so deep-sixing AE probably isn't enough. I also use FruitMenu - and another app, ASM (which enables an app switching menu), as well. They make OS X into... what it should be, IMHO. It's going to be harder for me to give them up.
The first Mac OS X Server, nee Rhapsody, contained a fully functional Apple menu - one that was actually more easily customizable than in any Classic Mac OS. I, for one, lament how this very useful yet unobtrusive tool has been enervated. If anyone hasn't seen MOSXS/Rhapsody, here are two screenshots highlighting the Apple menu:
Apple menu dropped down
Customizing the Apple menu
Every rule has an exception (except this one).
Please. Gimp is a damn nice piece of work, especially since it's Free, but never Never NEVER say that it's "about as powerful" as Photoshop. Any graphics/design/DTP/etc professional can tell you several dozen ways that you're wrong.
For an amateur user who generates maybe handful of designs per month, Gimp is fine once you cover the learning curve. It's not Photoshop, but it doesn't need to be, so don't lie about it.