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Mac OS X 10.2.4 Is Out

J. Ventura writes "Mac OS X Update 10.2.4 has been relased. The 10.2.4 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: Address Book, Classic compatibility, Finder, FireWire, Graphics, OpenGL, and Sherlock. It includes AFP and Windows file service improvements, as well as audio, disc recording, graphics, and printing improvements." Get it via Software Update.

202 comments

  1. Watch your network settings... by cespi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Installing 10.2.4 screwed my network settings. I have my Network preferences panel set to "Manually" configure, but after the upgrade, OS X lost it's memory. The panel still showed the settings correctly, and I repeatedly hit "Apply," but it would not set the parameters.

    I had to resort to ifconfig, route, and hand editing /etc/resolv.conf

    Thanks Apple!

    1. Re:Watch your network settings... by commodoresloat · · Score: 0

      Is there any way to install the upgrade without screwing these settings? Did this happen to everyone?

    2. Re:Watch your network settings... by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1

      I didn't have any problems with my network settings after upgrading (DHCP Ethernet).

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    3. Re:Watch your network settings... by Lewisham · · Score: 1

      Nor me, and I'm on completely manual settings all the way.

    4. Re:Watch your network settings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It worked fine for me. Maybe its just *your* system thats screwed up. Thank yourself.

    5. Re:Watch your network settings... by cespi · · Score: 1

      One of the things I value about Slashdot's comments is that before applying upgrades, I can read about people's experiences, so I'm not caught unware if an issue comes up. Different bugs always happen to different people. Sometimes the same problem that affects me affects you, sometimes it doesn't. But that doesn't mean just because yours was fine, everyone else's will be either. I was simply trying to point out what happened to 1 particular system. Nothing more, nothing less. If no one else has this happen to them, GREAT! But that doesn't mean I shouldn't let people know that it's a *possibility*.

    6. Re:Watch your network settings... by jtrascap · · Score: 1

      /. columns almost always begin with someone WHINING!

      feh!

      2 Macs - iBook and G4, installed and updated fine. No preference changes, no networks lost. Nada, Perfecto.

      Basic reminder - always to a Fix Permissions in Disk Utility after any big update.

      You know it makes sense...

    7. Re:Watch your network settings... by mkelley · · Score: 1

      It didn't happen when I installed the update. Everything installed in about 5 minutes on an iBook 600. No problems no issues. Musta been a Fluke.

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    8. Re:Watch your network settings... by ChuyMatt · · Score: 1

      Upgraded G3(->G4) Powerbook, 60G hd, 3 settings, on DHCP, one Bootp and annother for a lovely special one at a friends house... all fine.
      infact, i am only having troubles with iChat, not that i use it (proteus RULES!). Reports of mail go faster is correct for me and The update to safari is rather nice. crashed about once every few days and did not like going to .mac. anyway. i thought my rig was different enough to be interesting.

  2. All Good by Dokushoka · · Score: 1

    Installed sucessfully on my Quicksilver 867 and iBook 700. No problems thus far =P

  3. Don't forget... by mgaiman · · Score: 5, Informative

    After the update, it is probably a good idea to fix your permissions (which can be done via the Disk Utility).

    1. Re:Don't forget... by wtmcgee · · Score: 5, Informative

      definately. this usually makes a huge difference, because things just seem to get screwed up from time to time after big software updates. i don't know enough about all that to know *why* they get screwy, but i do know the first thing i do after a OS update is permission repair.

      obviously, if you want to be super 31337, you can just type sudo diskutil repairpermissions / in console.

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    2. Re:Don't forget... by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Funny

      obviously, if you want to be super 31337, you can just type sudo diskutil repairpermissions / in console.

      Actually, the super 31337 among us just copied-and-pasted what you'd already typed. ;-)

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    3. Re:Don't forget... by snero3 · · Score: 1

      Better yet, the super super 31337 among us already had a termnal open in which we did a sudo -s days ago so we didn't need to do another sudo :)

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    4. Re:Don't forget... by qengho · · Score: 2, Informative

      sudo diskutil repairpermissions / in console

      I tried that on two of my machines and it quit partway through with errors on both. Running the GUI Disk Utility worked fine, though. Odd.

    5. Re:Don't forget... by TellarHK · · Score: 1

      After the update I had a rather odd little problem. I couldn't just run Disk Utility, as it told me the permissions weren't sufficient to modify most of the files. I used the commandline you gave there, and that actually worked. Thanks. :)

    6. Re:Don't forget... by York+the+Mysterious · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know why I always have screwed up permissions on ./System/Library/Filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs.util. Everytime I run the permissions fixer the things is messed up. -Tim

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    7. Re:Don't forget... by NeuroKoan · · Score: 1

      Wow. I didn't know about this. I ran it and got pages and pages of errors. Thanks!

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    8. Re:Don't forget... by punkmanandy · · Score: 1

      no, as the super 31337 among us would never allow that kind of a security hole, in case of a physical compromise of the machine.

    9. Re:Don't forget... by torpor · · Score: 1

      .. umm no, the s000per l333t have Terminal open up a root session window along with all the other windows when it fires up automatically.

      I'll leave security out of this. sudo is for chumps.

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    10. Re:Don't forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      sudo is for chumps
      How's that exactly? I've been using OS X for nearly two years... haven't missed having a root account enabled even once...
    11. Re:Don't forget... by stux · · Score: 1

      The super elite actually just login as root

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  4. Yay! by asparagus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They fixed the bloody bug where everything on the desktop got moved when you dropped something on the edges.

    OSeXy!

    -Brett

    1. Re:Yay! by asparagus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Forgot to inclue the KB article.

      10.2.4 fixes:
      http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n107362

    2. Re:Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THANK GOODNESS!!!!!

      that was pissing me off

    3. Re:Yay! by Alex+Thorpe · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. I'd opened some of the 'updated' apps, and couldn't figure out what was changed. Looking through the list, there's nothing there I would have noticed. No complaints, though.

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  5. Much faster by Rouxfus · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was about to switch back to Eudora, which I'd been using since 1994. I gave Mail a try for the last couple of months because of the Junk mail filter, but I was starting to wonder if Eudora and Spam Sieve wouldn't give me my speedy email back. Mail was slow changing from email to email.

    10.2.4 seems to have fixed the problem - much snappier performance in Mail, and NetNewsWire (going from headline to headline was sometimes sluggish.)

    No problems on the update that I've noticed so far...

  6. solid release... by wtmcgee · · Score: 2, Informative

    nothing new or revolutionary.... but things just seem to be a bit snappier (i know most people will say, "thats just the prebinding after the install"...), mainly things like redrawing windows when i resize them, or scrolling speeds and what not. also, i'm glad they made address book act like most other os x apps, after you close the app, it still runs in the dock until you close it.

    all in all, nothing special, just seems like they squashed a lot of bugs and added some behind the scenes goodness.

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    1. Re:solid release... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      If, every time someone said the new release was noticeably snappier it really was, then my 550MHz PowerBook would be the fastest machine on the planet. Needless to say, it's not.

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    2. Re:solid release... by coolmacdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto with iCal.

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    3. Re:solid release... by wtmcgee · · Score: 2

      sounds like your the exception, not the rule.

      i didn't say that all of a sudden when i use photoshop, i can apply filters at some insanely faster rate, or that iMovie rendering is 200000x faster.

      scrolling seems smoother in apps which have a scrollbar, and resizing windows is a bit snappier.

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    4. Re:solid release... by JHromadka · · Score: 1
      Yes!

      Address Book remains open after closing all of its windows.
      Address Book edit mode now includes an Undo feature.

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  7. not without issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    hmmm... trashed my php install on my desktop machine (overwrites httpd.conf) and now my TiBook can't boot because of kernel panics.

    I thought I'd be more pissed, but frankly I've had so few update problems with OS X I figure I must be ahead.

    I

    1. Re:not without issues by thevil · · Score: 2, Informative

      It saves a back up of httpd.conf.

    2. Re:not without issues by lysurgon · · Score: 1


      Your old httpd.conf file is probably at: /etc/httpd/httpd.conf.applesaved

      you can restore it and then to a sudo apachectl graceful to bring yr old settings back.

  8. iChat Changes by seigel · · Score: 1

    They did something to iChat but I can't tell what they did yet. Can anyone see what that is yet?

    It moved on the dock, that is how I can tell. I realised that it sounded like i was psychic back there.

    1. Re:iChat Changes by PeekabooCaribou · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple uses a .plist file to add certain things to the Dock. It does stuff like "Change the pathname of this Dock app", or "Insert this app after the Finder". It was probably applied after your update.

      I believe it's located in the Dock.app bundle, if anybody wants to poke around.

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  9. Mail bug by itwerx · · Score: 1

    Anybody know if they fixed the bug in mail where if you mistakenly create two accounts with the same email address and delete one it deletes all the associated emails?

    1. Re:Mail bug by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Funny
      Anybody know if they fixed the bug in mail where if you mistakenly create two accounts with the same email address and delete one it deletes all the associated emails?

      Actually, I fixed that bug myself.

      Here's the patch: don't do that again.

      Sorry for the flip comment, but c'mon... did you really want to test that particular 'feature' again just to see if they fixed it?

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    2. Re:Mail bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hum. Not something I'd test. But Mail.app still doesn't know how to thread messages (sorting by Subject: is an abject way to follow threads, and doesn't really count).

    3. Re:Mail bug by itwerx · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's actually pretty easy to do if you have your own domain and have a bunch of dummy accounts setup so you can "send as" each one. Whenever you make a new one you have to put in the correct mail server info (so it will send) and it will default to the settings it already knows about from the original account.
      It's easy enough to change to something bogus for the username (since one never needs to collect through more than one account, only send) but if you forget you're hosed! The only way to undo your mistake is to backup the mail folder, do your delete and then restore it...
      A minor annoyance once one is aware of it but a bit of a pisser the first time.

    4. Re:Mail bug by Onan · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's a much easier way to send mail from multiple addresses: in the account config, specify as many addresses as you like, comma-separated. They'll all appear in the account pop-up menu at compose time, using the first by default.

      It's quite useful, though I can't imagine how anyone's expected to figure out that it's there. And still not quite as flexible as being able to just edit the From: field directly, of course.

  10. Changes in httpd.conf by MonsterChicharo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The update replaced Apache's httpd.conf and saved the old version as httpd.conf.applesaved. The problem is that the new httpd.conf has the PHP module commented out, and apparently the PHP module is not included. Anyone else having this problem or my installation that is broken?

    1. Re:Changes in httpd.conf by tweder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Updating to 10.2.4 replaced my Apache config file too, but simply uncommenting the PHP module in the new httpd.conf fixed it for me.

      I'm still running Apple's default PHP build rather than a new compilation.

    2. Re:Changes in httpd.conf by wtmcgee · · Score: 2, Informative

      Reverting the 'new' apache config back to my old apache config with:

      cp httpd.conf.applesaved httpd.conf

      then restarting apache did the trick.

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    3. Re:Changes in httpd.conf by snero3 · · Score: 1

      I know that it replaced the httpd.conf file but I am pretty sure it didn't do anything else. All my additions to apache as still there. All you have to do is either

      • merge your orginal file back in
      • merge the apple rendezvous stuff into your .conf file
      • just copy you old .conf back to httpd.conf if you don't want rendezvous enable

      then restart apache

      easy as mate.
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    4. Re:Changes in httpd.conf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah this has happened to me too, and a number of other people I have spoken too!

    5. Re:Changes in httpd.conf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a similar problem but neither Apache nor PHP would start up afterwards. I solved it by doing a line by line comparison of the original and apple's new httpd.conf files. I "corrected" all the differences a line at a time, then restarted Apache. If apache still wouldn't start I changed it back. for me the culprit was Rendezvous. Once I commented those lines out everything worked as before. I was running it on my Blu&Whi G3.

  11. short list of bugs? by cpeterso · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've always been impressed that Apple's patches for Mac OS X fix such a short list of not-too-serious bugs. Microsoft's Windows service packs, on the other hand, often fix hundreds of serious bugs. And Windows service packs seem to get increasingly unstable in later service packs.

    1. Re:short list of bugs? by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have IE 5.5 on my system. Every time I go into "Windows Update", the system says that "CRITICAL UPDATE: You must upgrade to IE6", but then they don't say WHY this is a critical update, other then it supports the MS marketing machine.

      I'll upgrade to 6 when it's a little more mature, thank you very much.

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    2. Re:short list of bugs? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Note that Apple don't appear (to me at least) to tell the truth about what bugs they've fixed. I think 10.1.2 was really buggy for me. It used to kernel panic, fail to wake up from sleep and generally be unreliable. With 10.1.3 these problems went away. No mention of any of this in the detailed description of what they'd fixed.

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    3. Re:short list of bugs? by bo-eric · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you want the really detailed changelog for why kernel panics go away, check the Darwin cvslog.

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    4. Re:short list of bugs? by lvdrproject · · Score: 1

      Um... granted, IE6 isn't really a revolutionary leap from IE5.5 (i.e. it doesn't add very many useful features), but how is it not "mature"? The image resizing shit that comes default is like the most retarded feature ever, but that can easily be disabled. After that, it's pretty much exactly the same as IE5.5 for most intents and purposes. What exactly is holding you back? How does Microsoft wanting you to upgrade from your free browser to a newer, presumably better version of your free browser support the Microsoft marketing machine? It's just a software upgrade.

    5. Re:short list of bugs? by pmz · · Score: 1

      No mention of any of this in the detailed description of what they'd fixed.

      The gritty details generally are left out of any end-user documentation. For any complex system like a UNIX kernel, there will be hundreds or perhaps thousands of bug fixes from one release to another. Even Solaris, among the top ranks of UNIX, has many many fixes listed in their patch reports. It's just that Solaris is mature enough that very few people actually see those bugs, and Max OS X is on its way towards that sort of maturity--it'll just take some time.

    6. Re:short list of bugs? by mgs1000 · · Score: 1
      Download the IE5.5 bug fix here:

      www.mozilla.org

    7. Re:short list of bugs? by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      but how is it not "mature"

      Mature means it has been around long enough to fix major bugs.

      I still read about major bugs with IE6, wheras IE5.5 is pretty good.

      For the most part, I use Mozilla anyways.

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  12. Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version by AnamanFan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Rendezvous-enabled computers that have Personal Web Sharing turned on appear in the Safari Rendezvous bookmark collection."

    Taking a quick look at the Rendezvous bookmarks on Safari, I see a bookmark for each user made on my mac ("User's website") and then the one made by Eric Christopher is still present. Admitabally, it doesn't seem that they used Eric's mod, but I can't be 100% about it.

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    1. Re:Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version by Drakonian · · Score: 1, Funny
      Admitabally

      Is that the newest Dubya-ism?

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    2. Re:Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why would this matter? are they significantly different to care?

    3. Re:Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't appear to be Eric C's mod.

      Here's what I had to say on it over at macslash.

    4. Re:Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, since Eric got a high amount of press, it's a honest question to ask or think about, and not out of line to report on via comments.

  13. Bug fixed? by avalys · · Score: 1

    I've been encountering a problem in the Applications folder where, if I'm using the icons view style and I ask it to arrange the icons, it puts a large block of empty space between the top 2/3 and bottom 1/3 of my icons. Sometimes there's an app in the empty space, mostly not. Anyone know if this is a bug or just an undocumented "feature"? In any case, are there any workarounds?

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    1. Re:Bug fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you have an app whose title doesn't get line breaks in the right places to fit in the "grid". This used to happen for me with "Roxio Toast Titanium 5.1.3". I'd always get a empty space after it that went all the way to the right edge of the Applications window, and the icons continued on the next line. I changed the name to 'Toast Titanium 5.1.3" and the problem went away.

    2. Re:Bug fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been having this same problem. What's this all about?

  14. But Where are my Safari Tabs??? by justzisguy · · Score: 1

    Everything went smoothly I'm happy to report. I'm still going through my personal list of bugs to see how many of them were fixed, but it appears to be a solid release!

    1. Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? by justzisguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      They did fix that nasty hang when browsing an SMB volume that is suddenly disconnected.

    2. Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? by MonsterChicharo · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it has not been fixed. I tested it, and my computer became unresponsive for a while. Trying to umount the device resulted in an error message, yet mount shows it.

      It is a nasty bug, alright.

    3. Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? by justzisguy · · Score: 1

      It stood unresponsive for 5-10 seconds, then the volume just disappeared and without a word from the Finder, everything was back to normal.

    4. Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? by tupps · · Score: 1, Troll

      My guess is that Tabs on Safari will be released as a must have when it is release, thereby generating a bit of news and excitment in the community.

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    5. Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? by justzisguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Was meant as a joke more than anything else. It just seems that anytime Apple releases anything now there is some guy that complains that Apple hasn't added tabs yet. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Frankly I don't care. If I want tabs, that's what Chimera is there for. :)

  15. No, this will most certainly not happen... by daveschroeder · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...to everyone, and the fact that it happened to this one poster is a fluke. As far as that goes, it shouldn't happen to *anyone*, but as with every OS update, there will be a very, very small subset of people who say "it fouled up my x" or "totally screwed my settings for y", but the vast, vast majority of people have no problems at all.

  16. Slash dot loads like screaming bullet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow browsing the web is as fast as Steves demo was...yay

    Perfect upgrade. The finder is much faster on my iBook and my fathers G3 blue-n-white.......Apple kicks ass

  17. nVidia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know if the drivers for the nVidia cards in the Ti1ghz models have been updated? I recall that in 10.2.3 the ti 1ghz' were still using the old drivers.

  18. Bluetooth Serial Utility by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... is included. Handy.

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  19. Almost ok for me by djupedal · · Score: 1

    I did a remote/command line update and held my breath to see if the box would come back. It came up ok a few moments later. Apache seems ok...PERL is ok...PHP is broken. Nothing I can't fix.

  20. It now includes Apple's mod_rendezvous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out my HOWTO for enabling PHP (written for newbies) and some (scarce) info on Apple's mod_rendezvous.

    1. Re:It now includes Apple's mod_rendezvous by subuni · · Score: 1
      Yes, your information was rather scarce. As you had posted on your site, the entry in the httpd.conf looks like:

      <IfModule mod_rendezvous_apple.c>
      RegisterUserSite all-users
      RegisterDefaultSite
      </IfModule>

      Quickly looking at /usr/libexec/httpd/mod_rendezvous_apple.so, looks like it has the three following options:

      RegisterDefaultSite
      Optionally, specify a port or keyword main; defaults to 80
      RegisterUserSite
      Specify a user name or the keyword all-users, optionally followed by a port or keyword main; default is 80
      RegisterResource
      Specify a path and a name under which to register, optionally followed by a port or keyword main; default is 80
    2. Re:It now includes Apple's mod_rendezvous by MonsterChicharo · · Score: 1

      Very helpful. Thanks. I ended installing PHP 4.3 though.

  21. Re:Mac OS 10.2.4 by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 4, Informative
    Finder is now Cocoa

    Oh, boy. Here we go again. Raise your hand if you're unclear on what Cocoa and Carbon mean. Okay, now pay attention:

    [localhost:~] twirlip% otool -L Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
    Carbon.framework
    QuickTime.framework
    PowerPlant.framework
    DesktopServicesPriv.framework
    URLMount.framework
    DiskArbitration.framework
    DiskImages.framework
    CoreFoundation.framework
    IOKit.framework
    SystemConfiguration.framework
    Security.framework
    libSystem.B.dylib

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  22. Java still old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After update:

    %java -version
    java version "1.3.1"
    Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1-root_1.3.1_020714-12:46)
    Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.3.1_03-69, mixed mode)

    1. Re:Java still old by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple's Java 1.4.1 is in developer preview now. If you want it, you can get yourself an ADC account-- they're free; sign up here-- and go to the "Download Software" area of the ADC site.

      Java 1.4.1 is at developer preview 8 right now, so it's not Sir Crashalot or anything, but it's not finished, either. No lifeguard on duty; swim at your own risk.

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    2. Re:Java still old by Duck_Taffy · · Score: 1

      In case you haven't heard, DP 10 has been out for a while.

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    3. Re:Java still old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is awhile just over a week?

    4. Re:Java still old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that Apple's license terms for Prototype software apply to Developer Previews, especially this obnoxious clause:

      5. Verification of Compliance. You agree that authorized Apple representatives, with 24 hours advance notice, may inspect the location where the Prototype is stored, the Prototype and copies of other Confidential Information and your Prototype access log during your normal business hours in order to verify that you are complying with your obligations under this Agreement.

      I emailed Apple and asked what kind of beer Apple representatives like, so I can have some the fridge if they come by, but they haven't replied yet! :-(

    5. Re:Java still old by programic · · Score: 1

      It's actually at DP 10.

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  23. DON'T overwite the config! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just destroyed your mod_rendezvous config, and a few subtle changes to the httpd.conf layout.

  24. It isn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's kinda hard to use something you don't have source for. It does have some parameters to register each user's site on Rendezvous (so you can see them on Safari), but no docs I could find. Check out my notes on it.

  25. yep by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Just to confirm, I can't find anything wrong with my network settings, and I just installed the update, and I certainly didn't have to edit etc/resolv.conf!

  26. What about laptop power management??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm getting kind of tired of my iBook bitching at me that it's running on reserve power, when the battery is at more than 75% full. Even worse when it just goes to sleep with NO WARNING shortly after the spurious battery warning, and won't wake up until I plug it in.

    I know I'm not the only one who has seen these kinds of problems with OS X-- the iBook power management was rock-solid in OS 9.x.

    1. Re:What about laptop power management??? by drive · · Score: 2, Informative

      i had this problem too. many people have. it seems to be a hardware problem with the battery. i took my ibook to the apple store in soho. i told them what was up, they gave me a new battery (under warranty) in 10 minutes and i went home. since then i haven't had any more problems. give apple a call about your problem. you might have to bitch a little but hopefully they'll send you a new battery.

    2. Re:What about laptop power management??? by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 1

      It's good to hear I'm not the only one with this problem. I just returned from my local Apple store with my third battery in a year due to the same symptoms. The first one went blooey after 4 months or so, and this last one about the same. I wonder if it's bad batteries, or something else?

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    3. Re:What about laptop power management??? by Xcapee · · Score: 1

      Consider resetting your power manager. There is an Apple KB article about how to do it on different laptops.

      Sorry, don't have the link.

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    4. Re:What about laptop power management??? by brass1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try resetting the PMU. You'll have to reset the time, but it seems to correct a large number of problems with power management.

    5. Re:What about laptop power management??? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen the problem at all, and I've been using 2 laptops, a tibook and an iBook.

    6. Re:What about laptop power management??? by trouser · · Score: 1

      The internal fan on my iBook 500 runs all the time. It should only come on when the machine warms up. I've tried resetting the PMU. Doesn't work. If I boot into OS9 I've noticed the fan does spin down when the hard disk goes to sleep. Never switches off in OSX, and it's running from the moment the power is switched on so I suspect it's hardware, not OS related.

      Does anybody else have the same problem ? It's not a biggie but it does sap the battery and the noise is a little irritating if I'm working in a quiet room.

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    7. Re:What about laptop power management??? by noewun · · Score: 1

      I had a similar problem with my Pismo when I first got it. Had to send it back to Apple for a repair. Took three days and they paid for shipping.

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    8. Re:What about laptop power management??? by tuxedobob · · Score: 1

      One: it may be your battery dying. It may be time for a new one.

      Two: OS X isn't nearly as power-conservative as OS 9 was. And it won't ever be. OS 9 let you run programs entirely out of memory with virtual memory off. Once the hard disk spun down, you were all set. In OS X, you have to have virtual memory "on", because that's just how it works.

      Three: I don't buy either of my explanations either. You'd think OS X wouldn't use extra battery for playing a DVD (with the hard drive spun down).

    9. Re:What about laptop power management??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't seen this either, and I have a rev a white ibook.

    10. Re:What about laptop power management??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be careful, if you do the procedure wrong, you'll ruin the motherboard. Resetting the PMU these days is not like it was with the old powerbooks, and the PMU is NOT the same as the old CUDA reset.

      Press the button more than once, fried mobo. Press the button too long, fried mobo.

      Be careful mucking around with the PMU!

    11. Re:What about laptop power management??? by leifm · · Score: 1

      My iBook 600 pops up that little almost to reserve power box after it's been sleeping unplugged for a while. That doesn't really bother me, just close it and forget about it. There was an Apple KB article about it, and as I recall it's just some bug. But I also have the sudden sleep issue, other day it was at like 45% and did that, plugged in and battery meter said 0%. So I don't know how it used 45% instantly...

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    12. Re:What about laptop power management??? by Zero+Interupt · · Score: 1

      I had this problem too, and it's not software it's hardware, I had to go through a replacement battery and then another -> the second was free cause it lasted 2 days, but it's been just peachy since then, I have a G3 400 pismo powerbook

  27. Thanks, just added that to my notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please feel free to edit my Wiki to add more info.

  28. AFP Updates? by DarkBlack · · Score: 1

    How about fixing the random closing of connections to AFP Servers? Every install that I have seen seems to do this. I know that Apple is trying to phase out AFP, but shouldn't they support their own protocols?

  29. Crap... it killed my PHP setup... again. by dasspunk · · Score: 1

    Sigh...

    OS X Updates always kill PHP. I wish they would stop overwriting my httpd.conf and killing off my PHP setup.

    1. Re:Crap... it killed my PHP setup... again. by coolmacdude · · Score: 2, Informative

      It didn't overwrite it. The old file was saved as httpd.conf.applesaved

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    2. Re:Crap... it killed my PHP setup... again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It didn't overwrite it. The old file was saved as httpd.conf.applesaved

      So, why not go the other obvious route: old file remains as-is, new file saved as httpd.conf.applenew?, a la' a Red Hat upgrade? Seems a poor choice to stomp on an existing config file instead of simply making a new one available for use if desired.

    3. Re:Crap... it killed my PHP setup... again. by rasterizerjay · · Score: 1

      and hose all the people who have no clue what httpd.conf is or does? this way is the obvious route if you're used to starting and stoping apache with the 'web sharing' button (which apple has to assume is the default way people do it). i've heard so many people bitch about this issue, and it's ridiculous. they're doing the right thing by providing a fresh (updated, mind you, with declarations for new features) httpd.conf and pleasantly saving what you had, which can be restored in no time.

  30. Finder FTP bug is fixed by jlower · · Score: 1

    No more beachball of boredom! Wheeeee!!!!!

  31. Copacetic by qengho · · Score: 1

    Doesn't seem to break the third-party utils I use (FruitMenu and WindowShade X and LaunchBar). Also doesn't restore my iBook 500 to pre-10.1.5 performance levels, but I need an excuse to get an AlBook anyway...

    1. Re:Copacetic by IRNI · · Score: 1

      Anyone know if it breaks IOXperts USB webcam or 802.11b drivers?

    2. Re:Copacetic by stoney27 · · Score: 1

      My CodeTek VirtualDesk seems to work just fine too.

      -S

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    3. Re:Copacetic by IRNI · · Score: 1

      I gave up waiting for a reply so I went ahead and loaded it. So to answer my own question in case anyone else was wondering... It runs perfectly fine with IOXperts drivers.

  32. Broken Softwore Update? by PetWolverine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe something is wrong with my Software Update, but it's not showing that there's an update available for OS X. It didn't show yesterday's Safari update, either--I had to download that from Apple's Web site manually.

    Or maybe it's the fact that I'm running OS X Server--does anyone know if the update to Server has come out yet?

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    1. Re:Broken Softwore Update? by Xcapee · · Score: 2, Informative

      OS X Server is a totally different product.

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    2. Re:Broken Softwore Update? by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      As another poster said, OS X Server is a different product, but I am a bit suprised that you didn't get the safari update when it came out. I would have thought Apple wouldn't want customers like you to feel left behind.

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    3. Re:Broken Softwore Update? by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I should have been more specific. Mac OS X Server was a totally different product, yes, but I'm using Mac OS X 10.2.3 Server, which is very much the same as the normal, "client" version of the operating system. The differences lie mainly in a few extra daemons Server runs. In the past, the third-decimal updates have come out at the same time for both, so I was surprised not to see the update in Software Update.

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    4. Re:Broken Softwore Update? by FLaSh+SWT · · Score: 0

      I do have the Safari update showing for me on 10.2.3 Server, but I don't have the 10.2.4 Server update yet.

      FYI: In the past 10.2.* client and 10.2.* Server have shown up at the exact same time.

    5. Re:Broken Softwore Update? by Juanvaldes · · Score: 1

      you ONLY get the safari updates if its' your default browser.

  33. Broken Software Update? by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

    This update doesn't appear in my Software Update preference pane. Nor did yesterday's Safari update. Is anyone else having this problem? Is it a problem with my Software Update, or is it the fact that I'm on OS X Server? Is the update for 10.2.4 Server not out yet? That still wouldn't explain the problem with the Safari update.

    Perhaps I should trash my Software Update prefs and try again.

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    1. Re:Broken Software Update? by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      Sorry about the duplicate. Slashdot wouldn't load for me for about 10 minutes. When I went to see if I could load it again, I checked to see if my previous attempt at commenting had succeeded, and didn't see the comment...but of course once I repost it, there it is! Oh well.

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  34. Re:Mac OS 10.2.4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just make it fool proof... Mach-O != Cocoa

  35. Another Ho-Hum Update by spaceport · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I just finished applying a bunch of system patches to my 2K box at work (no choice), and have witnessed, much to my dismay, the return of what I call the 'Instant Death' bug. I click, or open one of two applications (my two 'big' apps), then watch the memory count up on a black screen, with an energy star logo for entertainment. This happens 5-10 times a day, for the last 2 days since I updated.

    I just installed OS X 10.2.4 at home, and surely will do so tomorrow on the (good) machines at work! As per the usual with these things, I don't really notice what it did. And that is good.

    I mean really, since when should a system update f&#k so badly with the (presumably) graphics subsystems that it breaks, and breaks really, really badly, apps that have gotten along just fine for about a year?

    Now I am likely going to have to install 2K again from the CD, losing huge chunks of my preferences, hacks and such that had been running (stably ??) for the year, like the ones that disabled that horrid windows key that always to masquerade as an apple key (I do have a nice keyboard ; ) and made a control key like it should be (email me for this one, it is incredibly nice). Well, if I don't lose 'em, at least I am going to have to find every, single, bloody one of them that made that horrid os tolerable (though still not by choice).

    Just to bring things full circle, I did once have to re-install jaguar after having screwed pretty badly some of the boot files (completely my bad). I remember the horror when I realised that the only hope was a reinstall. I also remember the sheer joy as I discovered that every bloody single preference, login item, font, and what-not was exactly as I left it, and functioning perfectly.

    I always get excited at mac update time : )

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  36. 10.2.4 Ate My Finder by OrionParadox · · Score: 1

    not sure why, or how to get it out of the belly of the beast, but I am no longer able to run finder. Most other apps run fine from the dock which also works. Anyone have any suggestions? Repair permissions fixed a lot of permissions, but still no joy in whoville.

    1. Re:10.2.4 Ate My Finder by djupedal · · Score: 1

      Create a new user...logon as said new user. If the Finder is still OTL, consider fresh install. If not, consider corrupted permissions, and how you proceed depends on your skills. You do have a backup of your system folders, eh :)

    2. Re:10.2.4 Ate My Finder by OrionParadox · · Score: 1

      Seems the finder.app got hosed, the quick solution was to copy finder.app from a machine that didn't get hosed in the upgrade, and voila! everything is as it should be.

  37. VBL is still totally busted by arekusu · · Score: 1

    10.2.4 includes new ATI Radeon drivers (v 1.2.12.11) but they don't fix vbl-sync in windows which 10.2.3 broke. This is really awful, every operation (dragging windows, scrolling, quicktime, etc etc) exhibits noticable tearing and gives me a headache.

    I can't understand why Apple/ATI did not fix this, every version of OS X UP TO 10.2.2 syncs to VBL perfectly, how can they ignore this?!

    1. Re:VBL is still totally busted by cespi · · Score: 1

      I have an ATI 7000 AGP and ATI 7500 PCI and don't get any of this tearing on either one, in 10.2.3 or 10.2.4?

    2. Re:VBL is still totally busted by arekusu · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm not sure about the 7000. And it probably won't occur on any PCI card since I think it only QE-capable (i.e. AGP) cards are affected.

      But it does happen on:
      Radeon 7500 Mobility
      Radeon 9000 Mobility
      Radeon 9000 Pro

      i.e. all the current ATI chips in the Apple store.

      The easiest way to see it is to just Zoom In via Universal Access and move the mouse around. Constant, impossible-to-miss tearing.

    3. Re:VBL is still totally busted by evldhs · · Score: 1

      I noticed this in 10.2.3 as well, VERY annoying.
      It used to be so nice and smoth. However in fullscreen (QT for example) it's nicely vbl-synced, but not while in "desktop".

      Do you know if anyone actually informed Apple ?

      I have a pbg4 with radeon 7500 mobility..

  38. 10.2.4 startup panic FIX by punka · · Score: 5, Informative

    Those of you that installed Apple's preview IP over Firewire drivers back in the day might have the same problem I did:

    Kernel panic upon reboot.

    Apparently they broke the kext's support in 'updating firewire'

    Just reboot holding down apple-s , that'll drop you into single-user mode, run the obligatory /sbin/fsck -y then /sbin/mount -uw /
    then get rid of the FirewireIP kext by
    mv /System/Library/Extensions/IOFireWireIP.kext/ /
    Trash it or do what you will with it after you successfully reboot.
    Hope this helps!

    1. Re:10.2.4 startup panic FIX by coolmacdude · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I installed that but had no problem with the update.

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    2. Re:10.2.4 startup panic FIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, just rebooting the machine normally seems to do the trick. But, whatever!

  39. Re:oh boy, another free upgrade by presearch · · Score: 1

    ...and some people just have to bitch.

    Even if it's another $150 for 10.3, it would be worth it.
    OS X is the world's best operating system.

  40. Mail vs. SpamSieve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apropos of Mail vs. Eudora + SpamSieve, a friend of mine has been alternating between the one arrangement and the other. Mail is prettier but produces false positives for spam, which ain't good. Eudora looks dated (though familiar) but SpamSieve has not produced one false positive for him (or for me, for that matter).

    So far, SpamSieve is in the lead...

  41. Money well spent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I understand now why Windows user bitch so much...I've been using XP for a month now and yea it sucks big time. I don't seem to feel this way about OS X and I will glady pay for 10.3 and any other system Apple comes out with.. if and only if its this good or better.

  42. Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... by saitoh · · Score: 1

    I just about died when I minimized Fire and Chimera. I dont think I've ever seen it be so fluid and responsive... Part of me wonders if its not some mind trick that you get after updating a system (the infamous sugar pill), or if they really did something to the system this time. Granted, its a new version and not just some patch, but still...

    This is what seriously bugs me about Apple's updates. They tell you the applications and *general* area of stuff that has changed, but rarely do they tell you specifics, and some times random things such as speedups that werent anticipated occur and you cant figure out why... Maybe its just too late for me to be thinking about this stuff... bleh.

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  43. Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... by Rouxfus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think the post-update speed bump most people percieve is due to re-starting and getting rid of their swap files. Whenever a unix system starts swapping memory out to disk it's gonna slow down. I keep an eye on the number of swap files - when it goes from one to two, I re-start machine, uptime be damned - once there's more than one swap file the system gets -s l o w- in my experience.

    The easiest way to track the number of swap files is to use the "Go To Folder" command in the Finder's Go menu, and type "/var". Drag the "vm" folder to the right side of the dock (bottom if the dock is oriented vertically). Now you can click and hold on that folder in the dock and the pop up dock menu will show you the swap files. Another way is to run Memory Stick.

  44. 10.2.4 broke the Linksys WPC54G AirPort2.kext hack by nsayer · · Score: 3, Informative

    10.2.4 comes with AppleAirPort2.kext version 3.0.3. This version appears to perform an extra check designed to thwart those of us who have managed to get the 3.0.1 version of the driver to talk to Linksys WPC54G and WMP54G cards.

    If you have used this (admittedly unsupported) hack to get 802.11g for older hardware, you might want to move the 3.0.1 kext out of the way and put it back. At least until this extra check is found and neutralized.

  45. Re:10.2.4 broke the Linksys WPC54G AirPort2.kext h by nsayer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, that didn't take long.

    The procedure to get your WPC54G to work with Apple's AirPort2 driver is a little more advanced now (it involves patching the driver), but it once again works.

    here is where you can get the details.

  46. ibook sound, MAC addresses by sageFool · · Score: 1

    hmmm, my iBook still doesn't seem to have any kind of reasonable max volume. I mean max volume just seems quiet! I was really hoping they had fixed that annoyance.

    And I was hoping I would be able to set the MAC address on my airport. I mean how else am I supposed to test MAC based crap?

    1. Re:ibook sound, MAC addresses by coolmacdude · · Score: 1

      What? You can't change MAC addresses. They are hardware values that are unique on each NIC.

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    2. Re:ibook sound, MAC addresses by sageFool · · Score: 1

      and can be changed on various cards/systems because 'hardware' doesn't really mean unchangable.
      Sadly this does require driver support that the airport doesn't seem to have available at this time. It is just an orinico card though (i think) so maybe someone will work it out at somepoint. But it would certainly be useful so I can work on actually testing the securing of my wireless net.

    3. Re:ibook sound, MAC addresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      coolmacdude should try using a PC. Most cards come with a DOS utility that lets you change the hardware MAC.

  47. "Improves wording" by brauwerman · · Score: 1

    * Improves wording in the progress indicator window when copying a large file to an iDisk or WebDAV volume ("5 seconds remaining" could previously for much longer than five seconds).

    Classic.

  48. Re:Mac OS 10.2.4 by WatertonMan · · Score: 1
    I don't care if it is Cocoa. Indeed I'd probably prefer Carbon given how slow most initial Cocoa apps are. (i.e. the switch from Carbon to Cocoa with iMovie) What I *do* want is better multithreading of window activities in the Finder. Right now if one window in the Finder is doing something or waiting you can do NOTHING with the Finder until it is done. Oh that bugs me.

    I did notice that drag and drop is much smoother though with the new update. I found with 10.2.3 that if I had a Finder window with lots of files and was dragging a file - even to the dock - when it passed over the Finder window things ground to a halt. Oh, the cursor continued to move smoothly, but the icon it was dragging was way back at the edge of the Finder window. I've not noticed it doing that with the update.

    Still I suspect the main Finder updates won't be seen until 10.3.

  49. Re:10.2.4 broke the Linksys WPC54G AirPort2.kext h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nick:

    I've been using your driver hacks and it works marvelously. With the 802.11g linksys card in my tibook I get not only a faster connection but also a MUCH stronger signal. Has anyone confirmed that this works with the slightly cheaper Buffalo cards?

    I delayed OSX10.2.4 upgrade today until I could figure out whether they broke your kext hack. It is really disappointing that Apple is playing games and going to such extreme effort (intentionally breaking hardware support for legacy workarounds) to coerce us into upgrades.

    Thanks, and I'll contact you directly about making an installer for this. The world needs to know that Mac802.11g is not just for people with $3k to drop on a new PowerBook.

  50. Re:solid release...Some more Objective Numbers by EverLurking · · Score: 5, Interesting
    OK, here's my anal retentive self doing rough stopwatch timings for various application launch times under 10.2.3 and 10.2.4

    Yeah, I wanted to know if it was just my perceptions being fooled by my expectations after installing a OS upgrade or if this was indeed a real effect. Hardware: Powerbook G4 667 MHz Gigabit Ethernet,768 MB RAM, 30 GB HD

    10.2.3 => Cold Boot = 1:06, Shutdown 0:45, Login 5-7sec, Logout 6-15sec

    10.2.4 => Cold Boot = 1:07, Shutdown 0:15, Login 6sec, Logout 5sec

    The shutdown time has definitely been trimmed, but most of us OS X users will not be enjoying this speed advantage much as...we just don't have to shut down that much when the sleep/wake state is so quick and stable to use unlike my WinBlows computers.

    The following times are in seconds, timed from when icon clicked on in the Dock to when the application window was fully loaded and ready to go.
    (Task or App--10.2.3 1st run/Subsequent run--10.2.4 1st run/Subsequent run)
    Safari----11.5/03.5--14.0/03.0
    Chimera--12.0/5.1--11.0/05.2
    Mail------05.5/03.5--05.3/02.2
    Address--03.0/02.8--05.3/02.0
    iCal------04.0/03.5--04.0/04.0
    Sherlock--14.5/12.2--12.0/08.2
    Word-----05.5/02.5--05.0/03.0
    iTunes----05.2/02.2--04.5/02.0
    iPhoto----05.8/04.2--05.2/04.0
    QTPro----02.0/01.5--02.8/01.0

    Sorry the formatting is so lousy, /. won't let me do a table. Also, the errors are like +/- 0.2-0.3 sec depending on if I was reaching for my beer during the timing and missed seeing the window pop up.

    Sure it ain't scientific, but I think this update has gotten things moving along a tad faster, as have all the other .1, .2, .3 updates. Which is nice as many other OS's just seem to become more bloated with each iteration.

    DaveC

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  51. CRAP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    My brand new powerbook (less than a week old) is now unable to reboot -- OR EVEN POWER OFF -- after upgrading to the new version of OS X.

    After running the upgrader, clicking "restart" like it asked me to and then waiting for it to restart - it stopped on a completely gray screen. I unplugged the external monitor and mouse just in case that was glitching it up somehow.. no luck. Now the power button won't even make it turn off.

    1. Re:CRAP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try holding that power button down for 10-20 seconds. That should turn it off.

      (And of course, you could always pop the battery.)

  52. Other things the update may have "broken"... by tuxedobob · · Score: 1

    1. If you previously had VirtualHost directives in your http.conf file, you will have to redo those.

    2. For whatever reason, OS X loves to mess with sound output every now and then. If you notice your sound just died, visit Sys Prefs and make sure your correct sound output is still selected. (For example, mine switched from my SoundSticks to my MacAlly USB mic. Why?)

    As previously mentioned, the update will break PHP. Between this and the VirtualHost issue, you may be tempted to copy your old conf file back. If you do, don't forget to copy the new Rendezvous stuff into it (assuming you want that stuff).

    1. Re:Other things the update may have "broken"... by cei · · Score: 1

      I've noticed that my sound dies sometimes when the machine's been asleep for a while, but hadn't thought to check if it had switched the output pref. A reboot always fixes the problem. Hasn't happened yet since I updated to 10.2.4, but it hasn't been that long... (It did happen in 10.2.3 today, FWIW)

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  53. OpenGL still not "fixed" enough! by tuxedobob · · Score: 1

    Gah! I still don't get full screen visuals in iTunes with my ATI Radeon 9000! And there are still two things in tranquility that don't look right: the compass and the spinner! These broke with my new card, not an update. I'm wondering if the stock 16MB Rage card in my dual 450 was a better idea...

    1. Re:OpenGL still not "fixed" enough! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also OpeNGL apps randomly crash the computer on startup (once they startup they work for hours)

      it has something to do with initial allocation of framebuffer memory when the program preloads a bunch of big textures

      but the OS totally stops functioning

  54. Macos usually gets faster with new versions by acomj · · Score: 1

    As far as I can tell, with few exceptions the point releases from apple always seem to make the machine work faster. This seems to be true since macos 8.

    I think the philosophy is get it out there then spend some time optimizing it.

    I still find it odd getting speed improvements without updating hardware, but I'm getting used to it.

  55. Not DP8 ... higher by nether · · Score: 1

    But it's NDA, so go the http://connect.apple.com and download it yourself.

    But remember, it is still pre-release.

  56. It's the Sound Card Support I'm Interested In by Spencerian · · Score: 2, Informative

    I haven't been able to confirm this beyond announcements and bits of scanning, but Mac OS X 10.2.3, and likely 10.2.4, adds basic driver support for the SoundBlaster Audigy and Extigy PCI sound cards.

    Some of you may remember that support for the Mac SoundBlaster Live card for OS X has been long in coming. But, perhaps, I'll be able to go home and toss in my SoundBlaster card and get 4.1 surround sound back.

    Or, if I had money, I'd just pick up an Audigy card normally branded for PCs, toss it in my Mac, and live the dream, baby. We'll see. Has anyone tried SoundBlaster cards with 10.2.3 or later?

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    1. Re:It's the Sound Card Support I'm Interested In by gearheadsmp · · Score: 1

      As a matter of fact, you could just buy a normal PC Soundblaster card, but you'd have to flash it with a ROM compatible with Apple's motherboard.

  57. Fix sound without rebooting by golo · · Score: 1

    Try connecting some headphones or computer speakers and remove them after a few seconds. It always works with my iBook

    1. Re:Fix sound without rebooting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my powerbook 1ghz does this too, no sound at all sometimes after sleep. adjusting the volume up or down a notch using the function keys fixes the problem instantly.

  58. Another Great release... by musicscene · · Score: 2, Informative

    After grudgingly downloading this via Software Update (network congestion?)... this installed nicely and blew away a list of bugz that I had personally.

    I am running a G3/300 Beige MT with 768MB RAM and OS X is (so far) running very nicely.

    So far so good... I too get excited when there are new Apple releases. :)

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  59. Civ players take note by TravelSizedMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the "Other Enhancements" section:

    Improves compatibility with Firaxis Civilization III when the application's "Quartz text rendering" option is enabled.

    And who says Apple doesn't care about making the Mac a gaming platform?

    1. Re:Civ players take note by finelinebob · · Score: 1

      I don't know what they did, but the game is actually playable now -- I don't need to keep a novel handy for those delays between adding items to a city's build queue. First time I did this, I did a double take it's so fast now. Overall performance is much snappier and much more stable.

  60. fixing the little things, too... by marklark · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm sorry to hear about your troubles, but...

    Before I got even partially through booting up, I knew that Apple had fixed a very annoying LITTLE problem they'd introduced with 10.2.3 -- the monitor geometry of my iMac rev A would get lost upon reboot and I'd have to stretch, move, and rotate (slightly) it to my taste.

    Now it remembers! I'm sure that very few people have this problem, as it didn't happen on my G4 at home, but it's nice to see that they're keeping up with some of the little things, too. :^)

  61. Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... by pmz · · Score: 1

    Whenever a unix system starts swapping memory out to disk it's gonna slow down. I keep an eye on the number of swap files - when it goes from one to two...

    It seems odd that Mac OS X would resort to creating multiple swap files and, then, allow cruft to build up in them. That is very unlike my experience with other UNIX; it seems much more like Windows. It appears that there must be memory leaks or other types of object leaks that collect like dust bunnies in the swap files.

    I'm not necessarily knocking Apple in this, as I've seen how hard it is to deal with memory leaks in C programs. However, it may indicate that they either use malloc() directly too often without adding leak-detecting code or tools.

  62. Preview d10 is nor done by michaelggreer · · Score: 1

    I had problems with d10. Notably, jEdit complained about a number of missing classes and, while it would start (from the jar, not the bundle) crashed after a few minutes. Swing componants seemed no faster (as opposed to 1.4.1 in Win), but everything else worked.

    Upshot: wait it out, unless you desperatetly need regexes and assertions.

  63. mac newbie backup question by McFly777 · · Score: 1
    You do have a backup of your system folders, eh :)

    Sorry for the nubie question, but on a recently purchased mac (I could reinstall without too much pain), what are the critical items to backup?

    You mention the system folders. I have also heard mention of preference files, although I am not sure exactly which/where these are. Any other items I should be looking for?

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    1. Re:mac newbie backup question by djupedal · · Score: 1

      Just grab System...they will be buried in there. When I said 'folders' I meant 'System' and all the folders inside, including the ones you can't see.

      The Library folder, as an example, will have what you call prefs, but it's not that simple. Problem is, there are also configuration files (an invisible folder named 'etc' as an example)....this is Unix. Also, some are going to be invisible to a non-root user. Also, you need to maintain locations and permissions. Point is you don't want to be doing this manually.

      Get an app that can automate it for you and at least backup the System folder. An app designed for the job will take care of invisible files and permissions....something you may want to learn about in the future, but not just to be able to backup.

  64. Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... by Rouxfus · · Score: 1
    It seems odd that Mac OS X would resort to creating multiple swap files

    It happens. The swap files are 80mb in size. One is created at system startup. As you accumulate running applications, those application's memory requirements may eventually exceed your available RAM + 80 mb, so the system starts allocating additional swap files. I find that once this happens, system performance takes a distinct hit.

    In early iterations of OS X the growth of swapfiles was a one way street - once created, they would stay around. But lately the system has gotten better about getting rid of them when they aren't needed any more.

  65. Two Questions by P.+Niss · · Score: 1

    After reading the Knowledge Base article on changes made in 10.2.4, I was wondering about two items:

    • Allows for use of a hardware Ethernet address with the ifconfig command in Terminal.

    I assume that this means changing MAC addresses on NICs is now possible using ifconfig, as has previously been possible in Linux. Has anyone successfully done this yet, either with built-in Ethernet, AirPort, or third-party cards?

    • Addresses an issue which could lead to a kernel panic when logging out.

    I'm hoping this refers to the kernel panics on logout that have been affecting PowerBook G4 owners, and that have been discussed frequently on the Apple Discussion Boards. Anyone know if this is true?

    1. Re:Two Questions by Mikey-San · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is exactly the bug that was squished flat.

      I guarantee you Apple will always test logging out on portables from now on. ;-)

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  66. httpd backup.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....where would i find the httpd.conf backup?

    Not being lazy, I'm a newbie who doesn't want to screw anything else up (or have go through the process of turning everything back on).

    BTW

    would the upgrade have screwed up anything else... like say mySQL settings?

    thanks
    D

    1. Re:httpd backup.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's saved in /etc/httpd/ as httpd.conf.applesaved

      if you wan tthe best of both worlds, simply copy the new rendevous lines into your old one and do a:
      sudo cp /etc/httpd/httpd.conf.applesaved /etc/httpd/httpd.conf

      followed by a:

      sudo apachectl graceful

      to retart appache

      All is good in the world....

  67. Battery life? by jcsehak · · Score: 1

    My iBook (12", 700mhz) only bitches about reserve power when it hits 10% or so, and doesn't fall asleep until about 5%. No problems there.

    But the battery life is kinda frustrating. The specs claim it can get up to 5 hours, but I only get around 2.5, and that's when doing stuff like typing the whole time. Is this normal? Do any of you guys get 5? I'm wondering if i have a bad battery...

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    1. Re:Battery life? by Van+Halen · · Score: 1
      Do any of you guys get 5?

      I'm sure 5 is very optimistic, and occurs only under specific circumstances (hard disk spun down the whole time, low CPU usage, etc -- maybe only possible in OS 9). That said, I've noticed that turning down the LCD brightness a few notches does seem to help. I used my iBook 600 for about 3 1/2 hours the other day while waiting for my car service, and the battery went down to about 20% in that time. I was also using Airport (free 24-hour trial of T-Mobile access at a Starbucks) which does suck a little extra juice. So in theory I could have done a little better with the Airport turned off.

    2. Re:Battery life? by thermopile · · Score: 1
      Back when my battery was new, I could get 5 hours out of the machine, if I used it only to play mp3's. In other words, the screen was off and the volume was pretty low (3 or 4).

      Obviously, turn the screen as low as you can stand it. Quit all not-used programs. And if you're really a power miser, turn off all your network connections (AirPort, modem, ethernet, etc.)

      Lastly, make sure the processor speed is set to "reduced" in the energy saver prefs. It'll add another 30-45 minutes to your battery life.

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  68. Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... by pmz · · Score: 1

    I find that once this happens, system performance takes a distinct hit.

    Perhaps Apple could learn a few lessons from Solaris. Solaris allows any number of swap partitions and swap files to be combined into the system's virtual memory. There doesn't appear to be a performance degradation (at least that I've seen), and the OS can take advantage of any multiple disk/multiple controller situations for possibly even a performance boost.

  69. Re:Finder FTP bug... wha? by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 1
    Could you be more specific about the exact finder ftp bug of which you speak?

    I find that accessing ftp sites using the "connect to..." option is slow, and will only allow me to download (no uploads).

    I can't find any documentation anywhere about the OS X Finder's ftp functionality and what I should and should not be able to do. Any advice would be much appreciated.

    BTW I have not yet installed 10.2.4 (I'm not at my own machine right now), but if anybody could offer me any insight into this I'd be most grateful.

  70. Along the same lines . . . by TwP · · Score: 1

    . . . the update also modifies your syslogd.conf file without creating a backup for you . This is for the 0.002% of you out there, like myself, who might be doing some extra logging or just diverting firewall information to its own log file.

    Cheers!

  71. Re: ifconfig setting MAC addr by hayne · · Score: 1

    Excerpt from 'man ifconfig' (after 10.2.4 update):

    ether Another name for the lladdr parameter.

    lladdr addr
    Set the link-level address on an interface. This can be used to
    e.g. set a new MAC address on an ethernet interface, though the
    mechanism used is not ethernet-specific. The address addr is
    specified as a series of colon-separated hex digits. If the
    interface is already up when this option is used, it will be
    briefly brought down and then brought back up again in order to
    ensure that the receive filter in the underlying ethernet hard-
    ware is properly reprogrammed.

  72. Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... by jim3e8 · · Score: 1

    This may be getting offtopic a bit, but I've found that memory usage and, consequently, swapping decreased substantially when I disabled the unlimited scrollback buffer in Terminal. I do most of my work in Terminal and I found it was taking up over 100M once, and I'm guessing substantially more at other times. Setting Window Settings->Buffer->Buffer Size to 1000 lines sped my system up a lot.

  73. Stupid Kernal Panics... by Bob+Wehadababyitsabo · · Score: 1

    They still haven't fixed the: mkdir test cd test mkdir test mv test .. bug, which is pretty retarded, considering hundereds of bugreports re: this were submitted. How do I know this? I tried of course, and have gone prematurely gray trying to get my machine to boot again :-)

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  74. Re:Finder FTP bug... wha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple has a document about this at:

    http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n107415

    HTH

  75. Magical Finder bug of a basically similar color by atani · · Score: 2, Informative

    Never saw the bug this update mentions fixing in the Finder, but it appears they've just replaced it with another one:

    Step 1) untar a set of files to your desktop via the terminal (possibly using GUI app too?).
    Step 2) single-click on one of the files to "verify that it's really there"... it is and is highlighted
    Step 3) perform exactly the same untar operation from the command line again
    Step 4) single-click on one/any/all of the files to "verify they're really there"... poof! it/they disappear, never to be seen again unless it is via the terminal (or you relaunch the Finder). This also happens if you click-drag to move them or click-drag to highlight multiple, as soon as you release the mouse-click... poof!
    Step 5) You're not insane, 'ls' from the terminal and sit back in awe.

    biting quips fail me on this one.

    1. Re:Magical Finder bug of a basically similar color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds similar to what I experienced since going to 10.2.4.
      If I try to copy a file from a mounted CD to the desktop (by dragging it's icon via Finder), I see the progress indicator as the file is copied, see the icon momenarily on the desktop, then "poof !" - as you so wisely put it, it's gone.
      Yet... if I use the terminal, and copy it using "cp", it copies correctly.
      Anyone else experienced this ?

  76. You know as well as I do that it's... by jo_ham · · Score: 1

    ...The Beachball of Rumination.

    You can't be bored when the beachball is spinning, just amuse yourself while it's working by making the dock animate. Magnify it, drag icons around, but don't drop them making the other icons slide around underneath.

    Sometimes I find myself doing it just for fun, and the next thing you know it's dawn, the birds are chirping and you've missed out on 6 hours of sleep.

  77. Re:Much faster -- more than 2 swap files? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took your advice and have been monitoring the swap files, and after only using safari, word and mail I already have 4 swap files. Is this problamatic? Could this be slowing my system? How do I fix it? I only have 256mb ram and I think that might be part of it.

  78. Re:Preview d10 is pretty good. by davesag · · Score: 1

    I'm using Java1.4 DP10 for a project involving JDO, Tomcat4.1, Ant 1.5.1, Jini 1.2.1 (JavaSpaces/Rio) and Struts1.1B3 and it's all working sweet except the Tomcat tasks for Ant don't seem to work too well anymore. (caveat - that could be my fault, not Java's but it's simpler to work around by just restarting tomcat between builds than to investigate the problem). Some people have reported a few Swing issues and the readme for Java1.4DP10 does mention a few Swing issues, but as all my work these days is under the GUI hood, I am not too concerned. I don't use an IDE, (BBEdit, SSHAgent and the terminal are the Java developer's friends) but Eclipse seems to work a-okay.

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  79. Re:Much faster -- more than 2 swap files? by Rouxfus · · Score: 1

    Putting more RAM in your system will delay the creation of new swap files. Swap files in and of themselves are not bad - they let you keep running when all your RAM is full, but I've found that my system performance (Pismo 500 mhz, 1 gig RAM) slows somewhat once the second swap file is created. To put it in perspective, the slowdown is less than the slowdown I experience when playing iTunes...

  80. NO! YOU DEFY APPLE GROUPTHINK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How dare you say that Mac OS X is not perfect, or that Steve Jobs is not a god? You are a heretic and you must be slapped down with as much contempt as possible for the unmitigated gall of turning against The Body.

    Hail Landrew!

  81. Not that I know by PDubNYC · · Score: 1

    But I have a G4/400 tower w/ 256 MB of RAM and I use a lot of different programs and I only have swapfile0, and swapfile1 Not sure what that means, but I have to believe that there is something else going wrong in your system.

  82. As a Bondi owner... by vasqzr · · Score: 1


    Every version of OS X I have used has had the problem where you have to resize the monitor every time you boot it up...

  83. No it's fixed ! Re:Stupid Kernal Panics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's strange I've just tried that and no kernel panic ... And I'm running a stock OS.

  84. Finder problems after upgrading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi,
    yesterday I upgraded to 10.2.4, after which I am now unable to "drag-and-drop" files via the Finder.
    In particular, when I mount a CD, open it with finder and copy a file to the desktop, the progress bar indicates the file is being copied, however, upon completion the file disappears. I can however copy files using the terminal and the "cp" command.
    I have looked up the Knowledge Base, and it seems the same or similar to article 107247.

    Any assistance/tips greatly appreciated.

  85. Wow, a version numbering scheme! by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 1

    I have to hand it to Apple. It seems that all too often these days everything is a dot-oh release, especially from our good friends in Redmond. And that's when they're not calling things letters (XP) or giving them year numbers (2000). It's nice to see a real three-field version number for a change.

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