First, nothing happened in secret. The Bill was available and voted on my the public. they knew what they were voting on.
Second, the expressed purpose of those seeking the names on the petitions is exactly for reprisals of some kind. Otherwise, what is the point? The petitions were vetted by the appropriate authorities and if there were any sign of fraud, the remedies are in court where the signatures would be readily available.
WHO has strong reason to believe those secrets are about harming others?
You? Some low level government employee? Someone in Government with a political agenda?
Who do you want to make that decision?
Seems that with your line of reasoning, it's just anyone at all.
I happen to think that it should be someone who is accountable to me, via the political process. It is slow and tedious to affect change, but it's the process we have.
The alternate is literally anarchy with respect to the control of information, some of which can get people killed or prevent them from being saved.
Is there ANYTHING at all you think should be kept secret, including "operational secrecy"?
If so, then it can be leaked by Wikileaks.
If you believe in and support Wikileaks, then you believe in and support the notion that there should be absolutely no secrets or confidential information of any kind any where in Government.
All you people out there who think Wikileaks is just fine and dandy need to ask yourself a question.
Do you believe that government should have NO secrets at all?
Think before you answer.
This means troop movements, battle plans, agents of any kind, anywhere.
It means no more sealed federal records of any kind. If you did your sister in 7th grade, we will know about it.
IRS records (they are government records) are open for all to see, communications between you and your Congressional representative, communications between anyone in government about anything.
Want to know the location, passwords, procedures to gain access to nuclear, biological or conventional weapons? No problem. There should be no secrets...right?
We could know where Obama is, where he's going, when he'll get there, where the secret service is, how many there are and what their various plans are to protect the president.
Delicate negotiations with a company to make available some revolutionary technology to solve "global warming"? FTS! It's all public subject to the whims of anyone with the information.
Diplomats working behind the scenes to free civilians from captivity in some Islamic hell hole? Hell, we all should be in on that. Publish it!
ANYTHING and EVERYTHING would be open and available.
On the other hand, if you think that some of this stuff should be kept under wraps (your sister does I bet), then Wikileaks should make you sick. That's because Wikileaks thinks that anyone and everyone who thinks classified material of any kind should be public for whatever twisted reason, can publish it without repercussion.
There is no firewall. No protection. Nothing. If someone has access and thinks it should be public...there ya go. The best you can do is to rely on some unknown people who are accountable to nobody to decide not to publish something....for now anyway.
I believe that every time you post on slashdot that the space time continuum is damaged, thereby risking a rupture in the fabric of space itself. So...you should pay $53 every time you post to mitigate the damage. Which, by the way, we will spend on more domestic programs and handouts.
Or, you can just pay me 30 cents every time you exhale.
The "cost of carbon emissions" is made up. There is no real incurred cost. My exhaling, driving my car, or smoking a brisket over a wood fire does not take any money out of your pocket.
You obviously don't remember the power crunch that CA went through. It is common knowledge for anyone who was paying attention that companies were switching wholesale from tubes to LCSs because at the rates they were paying, the could save $300 a year. Plus, tubes generate much more heat the LCDs so their cooling costs dropped dramatically.
Example...LCD panels reduce electricity consumption and decrease cooling costs. Do people buy them because they help mitigate "climate change"? No, they buy them because the panels help cut their expenses.
If you come to me yelling and screaming that I need to stop what I'm doing and just sit in a corner because of climate change, I'll just tell you to fuck off.
If you come to me with a solution that make it easier and less expensive to do something (and BTW happens to help mitigate climate change), I'll buy it.
If you take all the time, money and effort the Jihadists are expending trying to take us back to the stone age and apply it to coming up with solutions (which you all say is possible), then you will achieve your goal sooner than you would otherwise.
OK...read the summary carefully...especially this part...cools air using evaporative cooling, which is not new, but combines the process with a liquid dessicant for pulling the water vapor out of the cooled air stream.
If that doesn't work for ya, then RTFA.
All that said, you are right that it is vaporware in the sense that you can't pick it up at Home Depot yet. But it appears the theory is sound.
This is a perfect example of how any approach to reducing the carbon should be handled.
Instead of brow beating everyone into paying more for less and prattling on about the environment and how we are all going to die, just make a device that accomplishes what you want while making it cheaper for the consumer.
Reduce Carbon, impact "global warming"...sorry, "climate change", pay more = boring, politically charged, scam written all over it.
Reduce cooling costs 50%-90% = Where can I buy one NOW!?!
What they really mean by "fair representation" would be more accurately described as "damn voters won't vote for the people we want them to, so we're screwing with the rules.
This post pretty much should have shut down the whole discussion as it exposes the very real and ultimate goal of all of this nonsense. People who can't win by the rules, usually try to change the rules.
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By the time the FDA approves this device for diagnostic use, it will be a $10,000 camera ann it will need to be operated by a licensed radiologist.
Cats and dogs living together!
...the environmental wackos aren't going to like this.
Natural gas = carbon emissions however reduced they may be.
Natural gas = drilling
Yeah, this ain't gonna fly. Just wait for the big fat raspberry from the greens.
It's all pretty easy actually as long as you understand what is happening and don't get stupid.
First, nothing happened in secret. The Bill was available and voted on my the public. they knew what they were voting on.
Second, the expressed purpose of those seeking the names on the petitions is exactly for reprisals of some kind. Otherwise, what is the point? The petitions were vetted by the appropriate authorities and if there were any sign of fraud, the remedies are in court where the signatures would be readily available.
And if you feel so strongly about something that you are willing to vote for or against it, then which way you voted should be public?
Cannot the arguments for the secret ballot also be applied to signing petitions?
WHO has strong reason to believe those secrets are about harming others?
You? Some low level government employee? Someone in Government with a political agenda?
Who do you want to make that decision?
Seems that with your line of reasoning, it's just anyone at all.
I happen to think that it should be someone who is accountable to me, via the political process. It is slow and tedious to affect change, but it's the process we have.
The alternate is literally anarchy with respect to the control of information, some of which can get people killed or prevent them from being saved.
I'll keep an eye out for you on the evening news during the next G7 summit.
You didn't answer my question.
Is there ANYTHING at all you think should be kept secret, including "operational secrecy"?
If so, then it can be leaked by Wikileaks.
If you believe in and support Wikileaks, then you believe in and support the notion that there should be absolutely no secrets or confidential information of any kind any where in Government.
Do you?
Don't fool yourself with you imaginary altruistic desires.
We all know that people like you thrive on chaos and disorder, hence the predilection for smashing and burning things.
Keeping the contents of diplomatic cables secret is a reasonable and smart thing to do. Yet such a simple thing as this eludes clowns like you.
You sound like one of those guys who see something that works, says, "We can't have that", and screws it up at the first opportunity.
Yeah, you pretty much sound like one of those guys who like to burn cars and smash windows at the G7 summits.
Thanks.
Of course the Trolls modded you off topic.
Maybe there should be a Reality section for Slashdot.
All you people out there who think Wikileaks is just fine and dandy need to ask yourself a question.
Do you believe that government should have NO secrets at all?
Think before you answer.
This means troop movements, battle plans, agents of any kind, anywhere.
It means no more sealed federal records of any kind. If you did your sister in 7th grade, we will know about it.
IRS records (they are government records) are open for all to see, communications between you and your Congressional representative, communications between anyone in government about anything.
Want to know the location, passwords, procedures to gain access to nuclear, biological or conventional weapons? No problem. There should be no secrets...right?
We could know where Obama is, where he's going, when he'll get there, where the secret service is, how many there are and what their various plans are to protect the president.
Delicate negotiations with a company to make available some revolutionary technology to solve "global warming"? FTS! It's all public subject to the whims of anyone with the information.
Diplomats working behind the scenes to free civilians from captivity in some Islamic hell hole? Hell, we all should be in on that. Publish it!
ANYTHING and EVERYTHING would be open and available.
On the other hand, if you think that some of this stuff should be kept under wraps (your sister does I bet), then Wikileaks should make you sick. That's because Wikileaks thinks that anyone and everyone who thinks classified material of any kind should be public for whatever twisted reason, can publish it without repercussion.
There is no firewall. No protection. Nothing. If someone has access and thinks it should be public...there ya go. The best you can do is to rely on some unknown people who are accountable to nobody to decide not to publish something....for now anyway.
Is that really what you want?
I believe that every time you post on slashdot that the space time continuum is damaged, thereby risking a rupture in the fabric of space itself. So...you should pay $53 every time you post to mitigate the damage. Which, by the way, we will spend on more domestic programs and handouts.
Or, you can just pay me 30 cents every time you exhale.
The "cost of carbon emissions" is made up. There is no real incurred cost. My exhaling, driving my car, or smoking a brisket over a wood fire does not take any money out of your pocket.
You obviously don't remember the power crunch that CA went through. It is common knowledge for anyone who was paying attention that companies were switching wholesale from tubes to LCSs because at the rates they were paying, the could save $300 a year. Plus, tubes generate much more heat the LCDs so their cooling costs dropped dramatically.
they cut expenses then and they cut expenses now.
There is nothing Free Market about imposing artificial costs. And make no mistake, these are artificial, made up costs.
OK smart ass...
The principal is that simple.
Example...LCD panels reduce electricity consumption and decrease cooling costs. Do people buy them because they help mitigate "climate change"? No, they buy them because the panels help cut their expenses.
If you come to me yelling and screaming that I need to stop what I'm doing and just sit in a corner because of climate change, I'll just tell you to fuck off.
If you come to me with a solution that make it easier and less expensive to do something (and BTW happens to help mitigate climate change), I'll buy it.
If you take all the time, money and effort the Jihadists are expending trying to take us back to the stone age and apply it to coming up with solutions (which you all say is possible), then you will achieve your goal sooner than you would otherwise.
OK...read the summary carefully...especially this part...cools air using evaporative cooling, which is not new, but combines the process with a liquid dessicant for pulling the water vapor out of the cooled air stream.
If that doesn't work for ya, then RTFA.
All that said, you are right that it is vaporware in the sense that you can't pick it up at Home Depot yet. But it appears the theory is sound.
WTF doesn't Firefox spell check stuff in the subject line?
This is a perfect example of how any approach to reducing the carbon should be handled.
Instead of brow beating everyone into paying more for less and prattling on about the environment and how we are all going to die, just make a device that accomplishes what you want while making it cheaper for the consumer.
Reduce Carbon, impact "global warming"...sorry, "climate change", pay more = boring, politically charged, scam written all over it.
Reduce cooling costs 50%-90% = Where can I buy one NOW!?!
This is what you call a win-win.
What they really mean by "fair representation" would be more accurately described as "damn voters won't vote for the people we want them to, so we're screwing with the rules.
This post pretty much should have shut down the whole discussion as it exposes the very real and ultimate goal of all of this nonsense. People who can't win by the rules, usually try to change the rules.
Seems to me that Avatar is pretty much the anti-Taliban given the way the women dressed.
And what we will do again is to develop the natural resources in yet another unstable, chaotic, barbaric society.
hmmm...I'm not going to ask for a citation because people who do that are jackasses.
But, I would say that response of most criminals, when asked if they believe in God, would depend on the proximity of law enforcement.
So by your reasoning, the next time some thug who happens to be an atheist kills someone, it proves all atheists are potential murders?