Lets look at the gw debate in rough terms. First, algore comes out and outright calls Americans and most of the Western world pigs, gluttons, and responsible for the impending end of the world. He suggests solutions that would pretty much cripple the western economies.
When people say "hey, wait a minute here", they are accused of being Deniers, on par with those who insist the Nazis did NOT kill millions during WWII.
Then, the heart of his argument, the Hockey Puck graph turns out to be incorrect. Then, the hottest year on record wasn't sometime in the 90s, it was in the 1930's.
There then was the IPPC report, which was released in executive summary form first. No matter the factual part of the report, we'll make that up to fit the executive summary.
Then there was some letter to whoever supposedly sign by thousands of scientists. Only it wasn't signed by thousands of scientist, but a whole lotta "activists" actually signed it too. And never mind the considerable number of scientists who declined to sign or regret that they did. They are now "Deniers". It really diminishes the who idea when a bunch of whacko "activists" sign a letter that is supposedly from scientists.
But Wait! There's More!
Now, we are cooling. What? Oh well, it will get warmer, just wait. Disregard the record low temps and seasons.
Then a bunch of models have to be re-adjusted blah blah blah.
So "Science" really hasn't done itself much good here when it comes to trying to change things. Some might say, well, this is science,this is how it works. Well, if you don't have your facts straight, then stay the hell out of public policy because you will only make your self look like a fool.
If those "darned elitists with their "facts" and their "studies" want to get into politics, fine. They have to convince everyone and make their case that they can lead.
But too often they just insist that public policy kowtow to their demands such as Dr. Hanson suggesting anyone opposing GW rhetoric should be charged with crimes against humanity.
If he really believes that, then he should run for office and sponsor a new law. But he (and "they") can't be bothered with trivial things like that.
So he should do his studies, publish his results and make his case. If he can't convince people, then he needs to make a better case. Instead he just brays about how stupid people are and demands that the be tried as criminals. Sorry Mr. Hanson, but you are just a Scientist. You want change, do it like everyone else.
The fact is that people knew Bush's opinion before they voted for him. So therefore, they support the ban in the only poll that counts.
As far as political correctness goes, the entire global warming fiasco is a perfect example of Science intruding into public policy.
The facts can be argued, but the manner in which it has been forced into the public forum, politicized, and demagogued is disgusting and makes many people think that Science is in bed with the Left and being used to push the lefts agenda.
This only damages Science because 50% of the people start out thinking that any scientific claim is pure political bullshit and the other half automatically accept it as dogma.
I think Algore has really done more to damage Science than any other person in recent history because he took it out of the realm of reasoned debate and thrust it into the shrill, irrational political debate.
If "American pharma company said that they could make 10 billion dollars on stem cell products from embryonic research", then they wouldn't be at the federal teat looking for funding.
The Olympics got nothing on the U.S. Presidential Campaign!
The fun is about to really begin.
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Every action Israel has taken has been in response to violence perpetrated upon them.
Whether it is suicide bombers coming from the West Bank, or the entire freakn Syrian army and air force coming across the border.
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Last I read, Israel has been on the defensive in every war. If everyone would quit blowing up the women and children, shooting rockets at them, or outright sending in their armies into Israel, things would be a lot quieter over there.
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Too bad, because then everyone brings a knife to a knife fight.
But that's OK, they've banned knifes now haven't they?
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When 2001 was supposed to be 0.1 degrees Celsius warmer, everyone seemed to think it was pretty damned important.
So facts that support GW. Very Important.
Facts that don't, ahh..Pish Posh.
You make the perfect point actually.
Lets look at the gw debate in rough terms. First, algore comes out and outright calls Americans and most of the Western world pigs, gluttons, and responsible for the impending end of the world. He suggests solutions that would pretty much cripple the western economies.
When people say "hey, wait a minute here", they are accused of being Deniers, on par with those who insist the Nazis did NOT kill millions during WWII.
Then, the heart of his argument, the Hockey Puck graph turns out to be incorrect. Then, the hottest year on record wasn't sometime in the 90s, it was in the 1930's.
There then was the IPPC report, which was released in executive summary form first. No matter the factual part of the report, we'll make that up to fit the executive summary.
Then there was some letter to whoever supposedly sign by thousands of scientists. Only it wasn't signed by thousands of scientist, but a whole lotta "activists" actually signed it too. And never mind the considerable number of scientists who declined to sign or regret that they did. They are now "Deniers". It really diminishes the who idea when a bunch of whacko "activists" sign a letter that is supposedly from scientists.
But Wait! There's More!
Now, we are cooling. What? Oh well, it will get warmer, just wait. Disregard the record low temps and seasons.
Then a bunch of models have to be re-adjusted blah blah blah.
So "Science" really hasn't done itself much good here when it comes to trying to change things. Some might say, well, this is science,this is how it works. Well, if you don't have your facts straight, then stay the hell out of public policy because you will only make your self look like a fool.
Over here, we've already seen what happens when you give poorly educated, poorly paid pole police powers.
You get the goons in TSA
If those "darned elitists with their "facts" and their "studies" want to get into politics, fine. They have to convince everyone and make their case that they can lead.
But too often they just insist that public policy kowtow to their demands such as Dr. Hanson suggesting anyone opposing GW rhetoric should be charged with crimes against humanity.
If he really believes that, then he should run for office and sponsor a new law. But he (and "they") can't be bothered with trivial things like that.
So he should do his studies, publish his results and make his case. If he can't convince people, then he needs to make a better case. Instead he just brays about how stupid people are and demands that the be tried as criminals. Sorry Mr. Hanson, but you are just a Scientist. You want change, do it like everyone else.
You may seriously doubt that, others don't.
The fact is that people knew Bush's opinion before they voted for him. So therefore, they support the ban in the only poll that counts.
As far as political correctness goes, the entire global warming fiasco is a perfect example of Science intruding into public policy.
The facts can be argued, but the manner in which it has been forced into the public forum, politicized, and demagogued is disgusting and makes many people think that Science is in bed with the Left and being used to push the lefts agenda.
This only damages Science because 50% of the people start out thinking that any scientific claim is pure political bullshit and the other half automatically accept it as dogma.
I think Algore has really done more to damage Science than any other person in recent history because he took it out of the realm of reasoned debate and thrust it into the shrill, irrational political debate.
Science says if we drive at 35 miles per hour, then traffic fatalities will go down.
Politics says, we don't want to drive 35 miles an hour.
Science says we may be able to cure xyz by doing research on fetal stem cells.
Politics says that may be they case, but we are uncomfortable with that.
Politics limits science sometimes, and rightly so because science doesn't recognize ethics. Ethics is imposed on Science by politics.
If "American pharma company said that they could make 10 billion dollars on stem cell products from embryonic research", then they wouldn't be at the federal teat looking for funding.
It's not blocked. The feds (meaning the tax payers) won't pay for it. Plenty of private research is going on.
...will Science stay out of Politics?
I see it's up to 5 now. What crap.
It is insightful in one sense. It gives us great insight to the moderators.
That's right. Slashdot has been taken over by the fascists right. How else could such a third grade rant be modded insightful?
"there was no evidence that said individuals were actually going to carry out an attack other than the fact that they said"
So if someone told you they were going to shoot your sorry ass, would you not believe them until they started shooting at you?
I guess most people use knives, buckets of Urine, flammable liquids, etc. when they exercise their free speech.
These people were punks who probably would feel right at home at any riot. And, BTW, rioting is not free speech.
USDA, brought to you by the "Living" constitution.
Just make a federal law that says consumers are NOT responsible for fradulant transactions as a result of identity theft. Period.
All the major players would then do what is necessary to protect thir bottom line.
Oh...I see..It's our fault.
blah blah blah blah
What?
Wait...
Umm...yeah...I'm on Slashdot.
I don't understand how your posts were modded so high. But...BOOOHELLLYEAH!
But others will always have the right to tell you you are a dumb ass.
At least no one put out a Fatwa on him.
...do extremophiles have register with the local police?
Ombama/Biden, McCain/?
The Olympics got nothing on the U.S. Presidential Campaign!
The fun is about to really begin.
Every action Israel has taken has been in response to violence perpetrated upon them.
Whether it is suicide bombers coming from the West Bank, or the entire freakn Syrian army and air force coming across the border.
Last I read, Israel has been on the defensive in every war. If everyone would quit blowing up the women and children, shooting rockets at them, or outright sending in their armies into Israel, things would be a lot quieter over there.
Too bad, because then everyone brings a knife to a knife fight.
But that's OK, they've banned knifes now haven't they?
Sharks are the enemies?
Hold the theory to a mirror.
It's better than infallible...it works in reverse!