But I am curious as to why you think Saddam needed to be taken out. Could you elaborate on that? (no, I'm not trolling, I am genuinely curious about how that point can be argued without slogans)
Well, he violated UNSCRs 678, 686, 687, 688, 707, 715, 949, 1051, 1060, 1115, 1134, 1137, 1154, 1194, 1205, and 1284. Resolution UNSCR 684 was part of the Gulf War ceasefire, and by violating that triggered the United Nations' threat to resume hostilities against him.
But, more elegant words than mine or the previous poster's have demanded that the Baathist government of Iraq be toppled:
"[The Iraqi] situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. This is a question of action. Iraq has abused its final chance." -- President Bill Clinton, December 1998
"Saddam Hussein's objective is to maintain a program of weapons of mass destruction. It is important to hold him accountable by force. No one will question that it is Mr. Hussein who has precipitated this confrontation and no one else." - Sen. John Kerry, December 1998
Because the previous post was a little abbreviated, I've helpfully added back in the missing information.
2. The money to rebuild Iraq is being paid for from their own oil revenues. The cost to repair the damaged Iraqi infrastructure after Saddam Hussein invaded his neighbor Kuwait, destabilizing the Middle East and threatening to undermine the world's energy supply, starting GWI, United Nations-imposed sanctions, and Saddam Hussein refused to comply with the United Nations' GWI ceasefire terms and subsequent resolutions, necessitating GWII is, IIRC, about $36billion.
And with more being money lost in the graft and corruption endemic in contracts with US corporations than even was stolen through United Nations corruption in the oil-for-food program, signed without the Iraqi people's ratification because holding a nationwide referendum in a country which was a few months ago ruled by a genocidal dictator, to vote on terms for procurement contracts is a very realistic and practical idea, they're in a hole so deep that they'll be lucky if their grandchildren see daylight, considering all the oil-for-food money which Hussein wasted buying weapons from the French and Russians.
It might be easier for a citizen of the United States of America to understand the 'insurgents' actions in these term: the Iraqis are being taxed without representation by a colonial power, although fortunately the direct taxes to pay for all this are being levied upon United States citizens, not Iraqis, and the insurgents are actually Baathist loyalists and Iranian-backed Al-Qaeda who are desperate to prevent the establishment of a second democracy in the Middle East.
Perhaps. But if you tell it long enough, and object to the truth long enough. Eventually you'll persevere. Truth is subjective. Although we love to think of it as absolute, someone has to define it. If there is no "opposing truth", then the remaining "truth" is the truth.
Okay, I'll play the deconstructionism game. "2 + 2 = 4". Is this objective or subjective truth? If the latter, what's the opposing truth? Or is this sum just a piece of propaganda which has been perpetrated over the course of millennia?
Had the UK and US (and for that matter Russia and France) stepped in at any of a number of earlier events, such as Hitlers flagrant violations of the Versailles treaty, the invasion of Sudetenland, the annexation of Austria etc., it would never have come to a large scale war.
Yeah, I used to think this too, and then I started listening to Michael Moore and realized that forming an international coalition to attack a genocidal nutjob who has threatened to destroy other nations is never justified.
You are missing the point. Leftists regimes really think that they have the right to dictate history and the "official version" of facts. The ChiComs really love to cry about the Rape of Nanking but seem to forget that Maoists murdered millions of their own people too.
And, ironically enough, the Japanese like to howl about Hiroshima but seem to forget the Rape of Nanking.
Although this is not banning or censoring, strictly speaking, the Bush administration and the corporate media is not much better than its Chinese equivalents.
You mean aside from the part where the Chinese equivalents killed about 35 million of their citizens, right? Or was that an attempt by Halliburton to steal everyone's oil?
Israel is country that WE (the US and the UK) resurrected from thousands of years ago in order to asuage our guilt for the Holocaust (the fact that the we let it happen) and to give a home for the displaced Jews.
How did the US and the UK "let" the Holocaust happen? It took place in Nazi-occupied parts Europe which we were busy attempting to liberate. Should we have fought harder to get there sooner?
Right. What's an italian lira ? It doesn't exist ! If a country or continent repaired a broken thing it's unfair to refer to it like it still exists.
It's a little harsh to refer to the Italian lira as a "broken thing". Sure, they had their problems with inflation, but you've obviously never used the Turkish lira.
And finally, unlike Tribes 2 or your favorite Jumping Cartoon Character game (which I also like;-) if you screw up on the rock, you stand a good chance of splattering your visceral goo in a very real and lasting way. Something about the stakes of Real Life Physics makes the reward of grokking the system all the more tangible and ta
Why would anybody try to amuse themselves in a way that could kill them? I read your post about how placing equipment and finding climbing holds is a great puzzle, etc. etc. It hardly seems worth it to run the risk of shattering your cranium in order to get fresh air. Why not take a walk, and then go home and work a puzzle there?
It's all right. We'll just keep annoying them by referring to people from Cardiff and Glasgow as "English".
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By law, according to the Uniform Cartoon Code (UCC), Chapter 4398274, section 12.432432 as publish by the ACME Corporation. "All persons, animals or other self aware beings (terrestrial or otherwise) who encounter a large red button are required to press it under penalty of anvil" it goes on to say "Should the before mentioned red button carry a notice asking all who see it not to press it, the required pusher of said button is here by required to press it as often and as many times as possible until it's final result is known."
The UCC was amended in 1993.
4398274 UCC 12.432432 (West 1995) now reads in relevant part:
"(b) In the event that the aforementioned red button bears a notice requesting the public not to press it, the observer, required to push said button under subsection (a) of this section, is hereby required to press it repeatedly until the result of said presses is known; but
(c) the presser may for a reasonable period delay pressing said button as required under subsection (a) of this section, if said delay would effect a comedic purpose, including, but not limited to, chattering teeth, protruding eyes, bulging veins, or shaking limbs, caused by the stress of resisting temptation or the anticipation resulting from such delay."
One is that claiming you wrote something you did not would be fraud
Fraud exists under the common law where a) a person has represented that something is true; b) that thing is not true; c) that person knew or should have known that it was not true; d) that person made the statement intending that the listener would rely upon it in some way; e) the listener did rely upon it; and f) the listener thereby suffered some sort of damage.
Claiming that I wrote that post satisfies conditions A, B, and C, and fails the rest. Therefore, it's not legally actionable fraud. It is, however, a violation of his intellectual property, the rights which the poster was claiming he should not have.
I believe everyone should go to church, for example...Who's to say that our morality is any better than anyone else's?
Most religions hold that their system of morality is absolute. If you don't believe that, then why go to church?
Since you don't think we should have IP laws, surely you won't mind if I swipe your post and claim I wrote it.
So here's my own opinion on the matter: Call me naive if you must, but am I the only one who doesn't really care about IP laws? Wouldn't it be more innovative if we got rid of the ip laws and let it be free reign on creation and development? Then, the market truely would be customer driven.
Without IP laws, companies would be forced to do as good of a job designing and implementing the product for fear of a competitor coming along and doing it better than they.
Al Qaeda is fighting us - including you, as a participant in Western Civilization - because we refuse to convert to Islam.
"I tell Muslims to believe in the victory of God and in Jihad against the infidels of the world. The killing of Jews and Americans is one of the greatest duties." -- Osama Bin Laden
Those human beings who are presently living are the result of hundreds of thousands of years of culling. Before modern civilization, say 100 years ago or so, life was very hard.
It's extremely difficult to take seriously someone who believes that "modern civilization" began about 100 years ago. They must have had a lot of trouble arranging the Constitutional Convention or the coronation of Queen Elizabeth, what with all those jaguars wandering in and eating people.
At least in our post-1904 civilization we've solved the crippling "falling off the cliff" problem.
You don't hear much about them as they are all heaped into one group and astrocized.
Actually, it's the satellite which is being "astrocized". You mean "ostracized".*
*From an ancient Greek custom of having everyone secretly vote once a year to throw somebody out of the community. The ballots were written on bits of broken pottery, or 'ostrakai'.
Game Boy: ancient green-screen handheld portable game player
Game Boy Advance: modern, insanely popular, color backlit handheld portable game player, backwards-compatible to old Game Boy games. Basically a portable Super NES.
e-Reader: A contraption you attach to your Game Boy Advance, which works like a magnetic paper card reader as in a subway or parking garage. Nintendo sells packages of paper cards, printed with dots. You swipe these through your e-Reader, and load small games onto your Game Boy Advance.
Point of story: Somebody has figured out the system of dots so that you can print your own software onto cards, and swipe them through your e-Reader into your Game Boy Advance.
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Tonight on the Make Your Own Premise Hour:
You've decided that my post said:
a) that I was a Christian b) that I consider the extermination of a religion to be a "Good Thing" c) that I get my information about "pagans" from a church
I think that for a more effective troll, you should have pretended that I said at least five things which I didn't. That's the usual rule of thumb.
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So, is that confusing enough?
It's confusing that you pretend to belong to a religion of human sacrifice which was exterminated about 1,800 years ago. I would suspect also that you don't know the etymological derivation of the word 'pagan'.
I have to question how smart it can be to hand out a book for free to such a large portion of your target population
It's pretty smart. O'Reilly aren't banking on the WWDC attendees only ever buying this one of their books. But they are banking on them being interested in this one, and from that gaining a favorable impression of them and their products.
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Well, he violated UNSCRs 678, 686, 687, 688, 707, 715, 949, 1051, 1060, 1115, 1134, 1137, 1154, 1194, 1205, and 1284. Resolution UNSCR 684 was part of the Gulf War ceasefire, and by violating that triggered the United Nations' threat to resume hostilities against him.
But, more elegant words than mine or the previous poster's have demanded that the Baathist government of Iraq be toppled:
"[The Iraqi] situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere. This is a question of action. Iraq has abused its final chance." -- President Bill Clinton, December 1998
"Saddam Hussein's objective is to maintain a program of weapons of mass destruction. It is important to hold him accountable by force. No one will question that it is Mr. Hussein who has precipitated this confrontation and no one else." - Sen. John Kerry, December 1998
2. The money to rebuild Iraq is being paid for from their own oil revenues. The cost to repair the damaged Iraqi infrastructure after Saddam Hussein invaded his neighbor Kuwait, destabilizing the Middle East and threatening to undermine the world's energy supply, starting GWI, United Nations-imposed sanctions, and Saddam Hussein refused to comply with the United Nations' GWI ceasefire terms and subsequent resolutions, necessitating GWII is, IIRC, about $36billion.
And with more being money lost in the graft and corruption endemic in contracts with US corporations than even was stolen through United Nations corruption in the oil-for-food program , signed without the Iraqi people's ratification because holding a nationwide referendum in a country which was a few months ago ruled by a genocidal dictator, to vote on terms for procurement contracts is a very realistic and practical idea , they're in a hole so deep that they'll be lucky if their grandchildren see daylight , considering all the oil-for-food money which Hussein wasted buying weapons from the French and Russians.
It might be easier for a citizen of the United States of America to understand the 'insurgents' actions in these term: the Iraqis are being taxed without representation by a colonial power , although fortunately the direct taxes to pay for all this are being levied upon United States citizens, not Iraqis, and the insurgents are actually Baathist loyalists and Iranian-backed Al-Qaeda who are desperate to prevent the establishment of a second democracy in the Middle East.
Okay, I'll play the deconstructionism game. "2 + 2 = 4". Is this objective or subjective truth? If the latter, what's the opposing truth? Or is this sum just a piece of propaganda which has been perpetrated over the course of millennia?
Yeah, I used to think this too, and then I started listening to Michael Moore and realized that forming an international coalition to attack a genocidal nutjob who has threatened to destroy other nations is never justified.
And, ironically enough, the Japanese like to howl about Hiroshima but seem to forget the Rape of Nanking.
You mean aside from the part where the Chinese equivalents killed about 35 million of their citizens, right? Or was that an attempt by Halliburton to steal everyone's oil?
How did the US and the UK "let" the Holocaust happen? It took place in Nazi-occupied parts Europe which we were busy attempting to liberate. Should we have fought harder to get there sooner?
You misspelled "Berkeley, California".
It's a little harsh to refer to the Italian lira as a "broken thing". Sure, they had their problems with inflation, but you've obviously never used the Turkish lira.
Of course not. I alleged that you can get fresh air by going outside.
Why would anybody try to amuse themselves in a way that could kill them? I read your post about how placing equipment and finding climbing holds is a great puzzle, etc. etc. It hardly seems worth it to run the risk of shattering your cranium in order to get fresh air. Why not take a walk, and then go home and work a puzzle there?
The UCC was amended in 1993.
4398274 UCC 12.432432 (West 1995) now reads in relevant part:
"(b) In the event that the aforementioned red button bears a notice requesting the public not to press it, the observer, required to push said button under subsection (a) of this section, is hereby required to press it repeatedly until the result of said presses is known; but
(c) the presser may for a reasonable period delay pressing said button as required under subsection (a) of this section, if said delay would effect a comedic purpose, including, but not limited to, chattering teeth, protruding eyes, bulging veins, or shaking limbs, caused by the stress of resisting temptation or the anticipation resulting from such delay."
Fraud exists under the common law where a) a person has represented that something is true; b) that thing is not true; c) that person knew or should have known that it was not true; d) that person made the statement intending that the listener would rely upon it in some way; e) the listener did rely upon it; and f) the listener thereby suffered some sort of damage.
Claiming that I wrote that post satisfies conditions A, B, and C, and fails the rest. Therefore, it's not legally actionable fraud. It is, however, a violation of his intellectual property, the rights which the poster was claiming he should not have.
I believe everyone should go to church, for example...Who's to say that our morality is any better than anyone else's?
Most religions hold that their system of morality is absolute. If you don't believe that, then why go to church?
Since you don't think we should have IP laws, surely you won't mind if I swipe your post and claim I wrote it.
So here's my own opinion on the matter: Call me naive if you must, but am I the only one who doesn't really care about IP laws? Wouldn't it be more innovative if we got rid of the ip laws and let it be free reign on creation and development? Then, the market truely would be customer driven.
Without IP laws, companies would be forced to do as good of a job designing and implementing the product for fear of a competitor coming along and doing it better than they.
Why the hell *do* we have these laws?
Some Australians and Turks take a different view.
Al Qaeda is fighting us - including you, as a participant in Western Civilization - because we refuse to convert to Islam.
"I tell Muslims to believe in the victory of God and in Jihad against the infidels of the world. The killing of Jews and Americans is one of the greatest duties." -- Osama Bin Laden
It's extremely difficult to take seriously someone who believes that "modern civilization" began about 100 years ago. They must have had a lot of trouble arranging the Constitutional Convention or the coronation of Queen Elizabeth, what with all those jaguars wandering in and eating people.
At least in our post-1904 civilization we've solved the crippling "falling off the cliff" problem.
Actually, the correct viewing order for future generations of Star Wars fans must be: 4, 5, 6.
GREEDO: I need somebody to give this subpoena to Solo's Wookee co-pilot.
BARTENDER: Hey! We don't serve their kind here!
Actually, it's the satellite which is being "astrocized". You mean "ostracized".*
*From an ancient Greek custom of having everyone secretly vote once a year to throw somebody out of the community. The ballots were written on bits of broken pottery, or 'ostrakai'.
Game Boy Advance: modern, insanely popular, color backlit handheld portable game player, backwards-compatible to old Game Boy games. Basically a portable Super NES.
e-Reader: A contraption you attach to your Game Boy Advance, which works like a magnetic paper card reader as in a subway or parking garage. Nintendo sells packages of paper cards, printed with dots. You swipe these through your e-Reader, and load small games onto your Game Boy Advance.
Point of story: Somebody has figured out the system of dots so that you can print your own software onto cards, and swipe them through your e-Reader into your Game Boy Advance.
You've decided that my post said:
a) that I was a Christian
b) that I consider the extermination of a religion to be a "Good Thing"
c) that I get my information about "pagans" from a church
I think that for a more effective troll, you should have pretended that I said at least five things which I didn't. That's the usual rule of thumb.
It's confusing that you pretend to belong to a religion of human sacrifice which was exterminated about 1,800 years ago. I would suspect also that you don't know the etymological derivation of the word 'pagan'.
It's pretty smart. O'Reilly aren't banking on the WWDC attendees only ever buying this one of their books. But they are banking on them being interested in this one, and from that gaining a favorable impression of them and their products.