On the contrary, I can relate. I was a sysadmin. I worked ridiculous hours for MUCH less pay, and I bitched and moaned just like this guy. Once I became truly dissatisfied, I left.
My point is this guy has skills that are in demand. He's obviously very intelligent. He makes a good amount of money. There's NO reason he should have to put up with crap from anyone. If he doesn't like it he should quit, plain and simple. There are plenty of jobs out there where you dont have to pick up after everyone else, where you dont have to deal with people who dont understand and where you truly have the ability to love the technology rather than sacrificing your sanity to it.
It's this sort of callous disregard that makes something like the Columbine blame game possible. If people would just work with the system instead of trying to circumvent it we would not have to sort through throngs of angry parents blaimg everything from tv to the internet for the prbolems with kids today.
Contientious Objector? Please. Dont insult people that were standing up to a policy that involved their friends and family going off to war to possibly die.
We're talking about a movie here. If people would just follow the damn rules we wouldnt be playing the blame game with the media and the internet and tv and movies. We'd all know who's fault it was. The adult who should have seen the movie with the kid. It's not the kids' job to enforce the rule or agree with it. It's the adults job. They should show a little responsiblity. I think Katz should have told the mom to see the movie with the kids or forget it. It would have not only made for more interesting writing, but it would have been taking some responsibility for what kind of people these kids could become.
I understand that you're in the middle of puberty and have to object to authority. That's fine. Be my guest, it's your perogative. Also the fact that this rule affects you makes you biased towards one side. Hitler youth aside, we're not talking about persecution here, we're talking about a movie. There's so many parents out there that want to blame shit on movies, or tv, or books, or the internet without taking even one iota of responsiblity for the behavior of their children. Under 17 not admitted without adult or whatver the wording of the rule is, is designed to keep parents in the loop. That cant be bad. As much as it sucks to have to see the movie with an adult, keep in mind that it's a two way street. If parents and adults were being mindful of kids behavior the blame for something like Columbine could be placed on the parents where it belongs. Not on a harmless film. People exploit the system by letting their children run free and then bitch and moan that the media is corrupting their children. That's the kind of hypocrisy I cant stand.
Like I said I think the rating system sucks. I also dont care if the kids see the movie. I hope they liked it. I just wish the mom would show a little responsiblity and see the film with her kids as was intended.
It seems simple enough to me. They should not have seen the movie unsupervised.
Permission to see the movie aside, the mom should have seen it with the kids or made sure that Katz saw it with the kids. These are the rules. We do still follow rules in America right? You can argue all you want about how much the rating systems is a joke (it is IMHO), but rules are rules. Dont expect me to call you a hero for ignoring them. I have nothing against these kids seeing the movie. If they think it's funny, great. I hope they had a good time. What bothers me is people just ignoring rules that have always existed. Just because they dont always enforce them does not mean they should be ignored.
See, the thing is. No one is getting beaten. You're not working on top of a crane, you dont work with hazardous materials, there's not a great risk for injury onthe job, you dont see OSHA banging down the doors of tech companies complaining about working conditions. This guy chose to do this, he volunteered for the work, I understand his need to complain. Like I said, I've been there. However, you have to look at this from the perspective of a blue collar joe. This guy volunteered for this work. He is compensated handsomely, He is clearly an important employee with a likely future path up the company ladder. He has skills which are in demand in the workplace. What's he complaining about? How do you explain his plight to line worker in detroit who was just replaced by a robot? I understand his job sucks, but something makes him stay there, and there are a lot of worse places to be.
I dont deny that the temps at MS are getting shafted in some way, but something makes them stay. Whether it's the paychecks or the environment or whatever, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. If you dont like it, quit. If you dont want to quit, there must be something that makes it worth it to you. Feel free to vent and bitch and moan and complain, but remember that you're the one who is staying there for one reason or another, and in the end you have to remember that working long hours for good money and then complaining about it is not going to endear you to the majority of the wage earning public.
I worked construction when I was younger and I can tell you now, You're not going to get pity from these guys when you're making 60 large a year.
Wait a minute. You're making a multiple of the national average of salary? Your stock options could buy you a house? Quit complaining. I been there, I done that, I got paid dirt, I left. At least you're being fairly compensated for dedicating your life to this stuff. There's a lot of people who would be very very happy to be in your position.
I'm not saying I dont understand what you're going through, I've been there. My pager woke me at least once a night. I spent every saturday morning nad most of sunday working remotely. I never was able to leave the range of my pager. I received over 1000 emails per day, My diet was Mt Dew, pizza, and beer. 60 hour weeks? Sure. I spent the night of the company christmas party planning for a data center migration. I spent thanksgiving morning installing a reboot switch. I made $13 an hour. You just cant win me over on this one. If you dont like it, quit.
I had a long rebuttle to this post which addressed every single item he brought up and pointed out they are all pitfalls or potential pitfalls of Linux as well. I erased it though, so I could be more succinct.
FreeBSD has not failed. Doesn't yahoo run FreeBSD? Aren't they the most popular site on the web? (or in the top few) Isn't the most popular ftp server in the world running FreeBSD? You might think FreeBSD failed, but that just shows you're not thinking too hard.
Personally I've never liked FreeBSD. One of my anti-BSD rants made it all the way to the CEO of BSDI. However, I'm not going to pronounce it dead when people are still using it for interesting things. Just remember there's been lots of questions about the direction of Linux over the years too, infighting, political posturing, bad blood, bad code, poor management. It's happening to BSD now, it could happen to Linux again tomorrow. Linux is riding a wave might now. It just might be BSD tomorrow.
Until Linux I always did prefer my Apple, because no matter what I wanted to do it was possible. If I was unhappy with how a program was functioning, I hacked it. Or rewrote it. Even though it was simple, it was still challenging. My favorite challenge in those days was to re-implement a game that I had played myself, and modify it to include features I wanted.
Although this is not an Apple story, I once wrote a program to draw a color hires picture of the Ghostbuster's logo, on my CoCo. I wrote it in basic and it took me the better portion of a day, (Probably about 5 hours or so) This is before I had a tape drive or disk drive (Disk drive was too expensive and tape drive was unreliable) Anyway, my mom pointed out that it was a shame I could not save the picture. I said to her, "It's okay, next time I'll be able to do it faster." My point is the journey was more important than the result. Had I needed to draw the picture again I could have done it in less time, and less code.
Computers nowadays are fun, just not the same kind of fun. It's a shame the kids have to miss out on it.
I'm 25, I dont get it either. Certainly it sucks that he's dead. When people die, it sucks. But the historic significance of this event escapes me. Anyone else out there (maybe a bit older) who does get what this is all about?
I'm sure history repeats itself. Has anyone here spent any time on studying how TV and Radio became what it is here today? I'd be interested to know what they think.
This is a simple one to prove prior art on. Any laptop equiped with an audio interface consitutes a portable device for playing downloaded content. Personally I didn't have mine til 97 or so, but it wont be hard to find some commercial example of a machine with a built in audio interface. Maybe Powerbooks or something.
Either way this patent is so hideously vague I cant imagine that any court could let it hold up.
I used to work in an environment that was both. We all received hourly wages and the policy was that anyone who wanted overtime had to get it approved. However, I was allowed to work whatever overtime was necessary to get my work done, since I was the company's third employee and was grandfathered out of most HR policies. Most of the systems staff was able to work whenever they wanted on whatever needed fixing. The other staff had to follow the policy. The overtime is what kept us from opting for salaried positions.
BTW, it was an ISP so I guess you could call it "High-Tech".
I can imagine a kid thinking to do this. When I was like 3 or 4 the kid from across the busy street by my house (also 3 or 4) came across the street, took my pedal powered motorcycle toy, and proceed to cross the busy street on the way to his house. I'd have to think that took a bit of cajones. (I heard the story from my parents, I dont remember any of it)
What's unbelievable is that this kid was able to leave day care, then go to a store and take a toy truck, then get ONTO the highway and drive for a MILE without an adult stopping him. That's disturbing. It's not like he could have been making a speedy getaway from the store in one of those toys.
They were old pieces of junk though. There were a couple at UIUC for a while, (The student UNIX machine was one, the staff UNIX machine was another). The one the students got was an S81 running DYNIX 3.1 (NOT ptx) and the os was terribly outdated. It was some SVR2 and BSD 4.2 stuff that was just nasty. The machine was also underpowered to the point it was humorous. These are the days when I had a 486dx33 running Linux, they were running on 20 MHz 386's. There were like 16 or 20 of them at one point, but it was still perpetually sluggish. There could easily be about 250 people on at midday reading their mail leaving plenty of time for you to go get a soda while your process went about their business (It only had like 128M ram at it's most powerful stage). I really used to be able to make it suck by running something like xv remotely. Most of the time I rememebr it wwas when it had like 64M ram and 8 processors, what a dog. It used to take like an hour just to fsck. The even scarier part about it is that I look back on it fondly since it was the first UNIX machine I ever used and some of the other boxen for students were even slower and more useless.
I heard University of washington had some positively monsterous Sequents for student use, but I never had access to one.
Much more sopisticated are the systems like GM's OnStar which is automagically alerted when things in the car happen, i.e. if airbags deploy and they cant get through to you on the cellular phone, they send an anbulance. Neat, for sure, but what else do they know? What radio stations I listen to? What times and where I drive? OnStar equiped cars can be unlocked automatically remotely, what if someone pretending to be me calls the service center? Interesting stuff.
It's pretty clear that we're receiving only one side of the story here. There's no way Harvard would destroy all of the contents of this site if there's legal action coming. They know better.
The claim that he's going to get kicked out of school is rather dubious as well, Getting sued is not grounds for removal at any school I've ever heard of (Heck I know of people who were sued by their own school and still graduated), sure it's possible, but there has to be something else going on here. All you students go read your student code of conduct and tell me about the part where you're automatically kicked out of school for being accused of something.
If someone on/. finds the rest of the story I'd love to hear about it.
The same can be said for a notebook, half the people are doodling, the other half are taking notes.
In my last year of high school my friends all bought the most expensive graphing calculators we could afford since we knew we'd need them in college. I used to run my Casio side by side with my friend's HP (I later got an HP:-) to see who could write a faster program for solving certain problems. I'm sure there was some learning going on there:-) Pilots right now are geared towards organizers but in the future I could imagine they could also do all kinds of other creative things, Music, Art, etc. Give the kids as many tools as you can. They'll find a way to learn something from them.
I still think them saying everyone will be an internet company is jumping the gun alot. My father is a roofing contractor and I can tell you right now there is now way in hell he's going to ever buy his materials online. It's too easy to get duped if you cant see the product in person. His business rides on the quality of his materials, there's no way he'll ever buy them blind.
Beyond that, the importance of the web to small business is over-emphasised. Just becasue you see it in TV commercials does not mean it's already happeening. Things that lend themsleves to catalog style purchases will probably go the route of E-business, but there's a ton of stuff that people wont buy from catalogs. Sales forces exist for a reason, to asses the individual needs of a buyer and cater to those needs to create a relationship of trust which will bring repeat business. You dont get that from a website or catalog. Big ticket items will probably always be sold by people. A web site wont make you confident in what you just bought. A salesperson will. Trying to pigeonhole a buyer into a pre-defined demographic is a great way to scare off potential business.
Look at a company like Compaq. Do you think they're the largest computer company in the world becasue they sell direct over the internet? Oh wait. That's right. Until recently they didn't even sell direct. They sell computers with a well oiled global sales organization, something that Dell is just starting to build.
You cant test drive a truck online. You cant see the knots in a piece of wood online. You cant feel how substantial a tool is online. You cant taste a food product online. These are just a few examples.
I think the net will become the most important communications medium in the future, but it's ability to sell products is only important in produts where sales organization does not add value to the relationship. For example the IBM commercial where the japanese businessmen are buying products from some guy sitting in front of a PC in texas is absurd. Those men would not make a decision like that without being flown to Texas and shown the product, not mention they would have been wined and dined.
Hey, I'm a guy and I'll say right now, the amount of idiots in C.S. is not based on sex. There were a ton of guys who got into CS just because they want "to make money".
I never got the best grades in college, but dammit I love computers. I've been addicted since I first saw the Apple II+ in 4th grade. At some point the tides may turn and we might not still be making the big bucks. But I'll still be here. And I imagine alot of/.'ers will too.
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On the contrary, I can relate. I was a sysadmin. I worked ridiculous hours for MUCH less pay, and I bitched and moaned just like this guy. Once I became truly dissatisfied, I left.
My point is this guy has skills that are in demand. He's obviously very intelligent. He makes a good amount of money. There's NO reason he should have to put up with crap from anyone. If he doesn't like it he should quit, plain and simple. There are plenty of jobs out there where you dont have to pick up after everyone else, where you dont have to deal with people who dont understand and where you truly have the ability to love the technology rather than sacrificing your sanity to it.
-Rich
It's this sort of callous disregard that makes something like the Columbine blame game possible. If people would just work with the system instead of trying to circumvent it we would not have to sort through throngs of angry parents blaimg everything from tv to the internet for the prbolems with kids today.
-Rich
Contientious Objector? Please. Dont insult people that were standing up to a policy that involved their friends and family going off to war to possibly die.
We're talking about a movie here. If people would just follow the damn rules we wouldnt be playing the blame game with the media and the internet and tv and movies. We'd all know who's fault it was. The adult who should have seen the movie with the kid. It's not the kids' job to enforce the rule or agree with it. It's the adults job. They should show a little responsiblity. I think Katz should have told the mom to see the movie with the kids or forget it. It would have not only made for more interesting writing, but it would have been taking some responsibility for what kind of people these kids could become.
-Rich
I understand that you're in the middle of puberty and have to object to authority. That's fine. Be my guest, it's your perogative. Also the fact that this rule affects you makes you biased towards one side. Hitler youth aside, we're not talking about persecution here, we're talking about a movie. There's so many parents out there that want to blame shit on movies, or tv, or books, or the internet without taking even one iota of responsiblity for the behavior of their children. Under 17 not admitted without adult or whatver the wording of the rule is, is designed to keep parents in the loop. That cant be bad. As much as it sucks to have to see the movie with an adult, keep in mind that it's a two way street. If parents and adults were being mindful of kids behavior the blame for something like Columbine could be placed on the parents where it belongs. Not on a harmless film. People exploit the system by letting their children run free and then bitch and moan that the media is corrupting their children. That's the kind of hypocrisy I cant stand.
Like I said I think the rating system sucks. I also dont care if the kids see the movie. I hope they liked it. I just wish the mom would show a little responsiblity and see the film with her kids as was intended.
-Rich
It seems simple enough to me. They should not have seen the movie unsupervised.
Permission to see the movie aside, the mom should have seen it with the kids or made sure that Katz saw it with the kids. These are the rules. We do still follow rules in America right? You can argue all you want about how much the rating systems is a joke (it is IMHO), but rules are rules. Dont expect me to call you a hero for ignoring them. I have nothing against these kids seeing the movie. If they think it's funny, great. I hope they had a good time. What bothers me is people just ignoring rules that have always existed. Just because they dont always enforce them does not mean they should be ignored.
-Rich
Rated R means "Under 17 not admitted without Parent". That seems clear enough to me. Doesn't anyone follow the rules anymore?
-Rich
See, the thing is. No one is getting beaten. You're not working on top of a crane, you dont work with hazardous materials, there's not a great risk for injury onthe job, you dont see OSHA banging down the doors of tech companies complaining about working conditions. This guy chose to do this, he volunteered for the work, I understand his need to complain. Like I said, I've been there. However, you have to look at this from the perspective of a blue collar joe. This guy volunteered for this work. He is compensated handsomely, He is clearly an important employee with a likely future path up the company ladder. He has skills which are in demand in the workplace. What's he complaining about? How do you explain his plight to line worker in detroit who was just replaced by a robot? I understand his job sucks, but something makes him stay there, and there are a lot of worse places to be.
-Rich
I dont deny that the temps at MS are getting shafted in some way, but something makes them stay. Whether it's the paychecks or the environment or whatever, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. If you dont like it, quit. If you dont want to quit, there must be something that makes it worth it to you. Feel free to vent and bitch and moan and complain, but remember that you're the one who is staying there for one reason or another, and in the end you have to remember that working long hours for good money and then complaining about it is not going to endear you to the majority of the wage earning public.
I worked construction when I was younger and I can tell you now, You're not going to get pity from these guys when you're making 60 large a year.
-Rich
Wait a minute. You're making a multiple of the national average of salary? Your stock options could buy you a house? Quit complaining. I been there, I done that, I got paid dirt, I left. At least you're being fairly compensated for dedicating your life to this stuff. There's a lot of people who would be very very happy to be in your position.
I'm not saying I dont understand what you're going through, I've been there. My pager woke me at least once a night. I spent every saturday morning nad most of sunday working remotely. I never was able to leave the range of my pager. I received over 1000 emails per day, My diet was Mt Dew, pizza, and beer. 60 hour weeks? Sure. I spent the night of the company christmas party planning for a data center migration. I spent thanksgiving morning installing a reboot switch. I made $13 an hour. You just cant win me over on this one. If you dont like it, quit.
-Rich
I had a long rebuttle to this post which addressed every single item he brought up and pointed out they are all pitfalls or potential pitfalls of Linux as well. I erased it though, so I could be more succinct.
FreeBSD has not failed. Doesn't yahoo run FreeBSD? Aren't they the most popular site on the web? (or in the top few) Isn't the most popular ftp server in the world running FreeBSD? You might think FreeBSD failed, but that just shows you're not thinking too hard.
Personally I've never liked FreeBSD. One of my anti-BSD rants made it all the way to the CEO of BSDI. However, I'm not going to pronounce it dead when people are still using it for interesting things. Just remember there's been lots of questions about the direction of Linux over the years too, infighting, political posturing, bad blood, bad code, poor management. It's happening to BSD now, it could happen to Linux again tomorrow. Linux is riding a wave might now. It just might be BSD tomorrow.
-Rich
Until Linux I always did prefer my Apple, because no matter what I wanted to do it was possible. If I was unhappy with how a program was functioning, I hacked it. Or rewrote it. Even though it was simple, it was still challenging. My favorite challenge in those days was to re-implement a game that I had played myself, and modify it to include features I wanted.
Although this is not an Apple story, I once wrote a program to draw a color hires picture of the Ghostbuster's logo, on my CoCo. I wrote it in basic and it took me the better portion of a day, (Probably about 5 hours or so) This is before I had a tape drive or disk drive (Disk drive was too expensive and tape drive was unreliable) Anyway, my mom pointed out that it was a shame I could not save the picture. I said to her, "It's okay, next time I'll be able to do it faster." My point is the journey was more important than the result. Had I needed to draw the picture again I could have done it in less time, and less code.
Computers nowadays are fun, just not the same kind of fun. It's a shame the kids have to miss out on it.
-Rich
I'm 25, I dont get it either. Certainly it sucks that he's dead. When people die, it sucks. But the historic significance of this event escapes me. Anyone else out there (maybe a bit older) who does get what this is all about?
-Rich
They're not going to try and figure out if the hatch blew or not. At least some people still have class.
I guess Discovery Channel is going to take this thing on tour or something. I cant wait to see it.
-Rich
I'm sure history repeats itself. Has anyone here spent any time on studying how TV and Radio became what it is here today? I'd be interested to know what they think.
-Rich
This is a simple one to prove prior art on. Any laptop equiped with an audio interface consitutes a portable device for playing downloaded content. Personally I didn't have mine til 97 or so, but it wont be hard to find some commercial example of a machine with a built in audio interface. Maybe Powerbooks or something.
Either way this patent is so hideously vague I cant imagine that any court could let it hold up.
-Rich
I used to work in an environment that was both. We all received hourly wages and the policy was that anyone who wanted overtime had to get it approved. However, I was allowed to work whatever overtime was necessary to get my work done, since I was the company's third employee and was grandfathered out of most HR policies. Most of the systems staff was able to work whenever they wanted on whatever needed fixing. The other staff had to follow the policy. The overtime is what kept us from opting for salaried positions.
BTW, it was an ISP so I guess you could call it "High-Tech".
I can imagine a kid thinking to do this. When I was like 3 or 4 the kid from across the busy street by my house (also 3 or 4) came across the street, took my pedal powered motorcycle toy, and proceed to cross the busy street on the way to his house. I'd have to think that took a bit of cajones. (I heard the story from my parents, I dont remember any of it)
What's unbelievable is that this kid was able to leave day care, then go to a store and take a toy truck, then get ONTO the highway and drive for a MILE without an adult stopping him. That's disturbing. It's not like he could have been making a speedy getaway from the store in one of those toys.
Thank goodness the kid is okay.
-Rich
Ahh UXA, that brings back memories... I remember dialing into mossberg with my 2400 modem.
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They were old pieces of junk though. There were a couple at UIUC for a while, (The student UNIX machine was one, the staff UNIX machine was another). The one the students got was an S81 running DYNIX 3.1 (NOT ptx) and the os was terribly outdated. It was some SVR2 and BSD 4.2 stuff that was just nasty. The machine was also underpowered to the point it was humorous. These are the days when I had a 486dx33 running Linux, they were running on 20 MHz 386's. There were like 16 or 20 of them at one point, but it was still perpetually sluggish. There could easily be about 250 people on at midday reading their mail leaving plenty of time for you to go get a soda while your process went about their business (It only had like 128M ram at it's most powerful stage). I really used to be able to make it suck by running something like xv remotely. Most of the time I rememebr it wwas when it had like 64M ram and 8 processors, what a dog. It used to take like an hour just to fsck. The even scarier part about it is that I look back on it fondly since it was the first UNIX machine I ever used and some of the other boxen for students were even slower and more useless.
I heard University of washington had some positively monsterous Sequents for student use, but I never had access to one.
-Rich
Much more sopisticated are the systems like GM's OnStar which is automagically alerted when things in the car happen, i.e. if airbags deploy and they cant get through to you on the cellular phone, they send an anbulance. Neat, for sure, but what else do they know? What radio stations I listen to? What times and where I drive? OnStar equiped cars can be unlocked automatically remotely, what if someone pretending to be me calls the service center? Interesting stuff.
It's pretty clear that we're receiving only one side of the story here. There's no way Harvard would destroy all of the contents of this site if there's legal action coming. They know better.
/. finds the rest of the story I'd love to hear about it.
The claim that he's going to get kicked out of school is rather dubious as well, Getting sued is not grounds for removal at any school I've ever heard of (Heck I know of people who were sued by their own school and still graduated), sure it's possible, but there has to be something else going on here. All you students go read your student code of conduct and tell me about the part where you're automatically kicked out of school for being accused of something.
If someone on
-Rich
The same can be said for a notebook, half the people are doodling, the other half are taking notes.
:-) to see who could write a faster program for solving certain problems. I'm sure there was some learning going on there :-) Pilots right now are geared towards organizers but in the future I could imagine they could also do all kinds of other creative things, Music, Art, etc. Give the kids as many tools as you can. They'll find a way to learn something from them.
In my last year of high school my friends all bought the most expensive graphing calculators we could afford since we knew we'd need them in college. I used to run my Casio side by side with my friend's HP (I later got an HP
-Rich
I still think them saying everyone will be an internet company is jumping the gun alot. My father is a roofing contractor and I can tell you right now there is now way in hell he's going to ever buy his materials online. It's too easy to get duped if you cant see the product in person. His business rides on the quality of his materials, there's no way he'll ever buy them blind.
Beyond that, the importance of the web to small business is over-emphasised. Just becasue you see it in TV commercials does not mean it's already happeening. Things that lend themsleves to catalog style purchases will probably go the route of E-business, but there's a ton of stuff that people wont buy from catalogs. Sales forces exist for a reason, to asses the individual needs of a buyer and cater to those needs to create a relationship of trust which will bring repeat business. You dont get that from a website or catalog. Big ticket items will probably always be sold by people. A web site wont make you confident in what you just bought. A salesperson will. Trying to pigeonhole a buyer into a pre-defined demographic is a great way to scare off potential business.
Look at a company like Compaq. Do you think they're the largest computer company in the world becasue they sell direct over the internet? Oh wait. That's right. Until recently they didn't even sell direct. They sell computers with a well oiled global sales organization, something that Dell is just starting to build.
You cant test drive a truck online. You cant see the knots in a piece of wood online. You cant feel how substantial a tool is online. You cant taste a food product online. These are just a few examples.
I think the net will become the most important communications medium in the future, but it's ability to sell products is only important in produts where sales organization does not add value to the relationship. For example the IBM commercial where the japanese businessmen are buying products from some guy sitting in front of a PC in texas is absurd. Those men would not make a decision like that without being flown to Texas and shown the product, not mention they would have been wined and dined.
-Rich
Hey, I'm a guy and I'll say right now, the amount of idiots in C.S. is not based on sex. There were a ton of guys who got into CS just because they want "to make money".
/.'ers will too.
I never got the best grades in college, but dammit I love computers. I've been addicted since I first saw the Apple II+ in 4th grade. At some point the tides may turn and we might not still be making the big bucks. But I'll still be here. And I imagine alot of
-Rich
Whoa. Interesting quote for the bottomn of the page on this story...
*twilight zone music plays*
-Rich