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Mercury Capsule recovered after 38 years
38 years after it's sinking the Mercury capsule that Gus Grissom flew into space. Officially called the Liberty Bell 7, it was recovered from a depth of 15,000 feet (about 3 miles). They were unable to recover the hatch, meaning that the mystery of whether the hatch bolts blew prematurely, or Grissom activated them too early while remain a mystery. It's going to be cleaned and put on exhibiton-the Discovery Channel footed the bill. Hats off to them.
see the government will not allow an attempt to recover the hatch because that would give more evidence to the happenings of Alien abduction. a little known fact is that the the Mercury capsule was actually schedules for a planned interception by an ancient egyptian craft at the apex of its flight. at that point the alien-egyptians could not figure out how to openthe hatch so a device was used to extract Grissom from the capsule andin the process the hatch was irrevocably damaged. Grissom, greatly annoyed with the crippling of his craft, socked one alien in his ugly-ass dog face
and kicked another in the 'nads. this totally pissed off the egyptian-aliens so they
performed numerous tests including miscellaneous probes of Grissom's orifices. they then put a message scarab in one of those *ahem* more sensitive orifices with orders that the was to *again ahem* eject it out for his superiors inorder to demonstrate their opinion of the US so called space program. he was drugged with a hallucinogenic sedative and inserted back in his capsule. Since the hatch was unable to be reattached, the aliens covered the opening with a material they use that is analgous to our aluminum foil but much stronger and sealed it with a substance that while extremely resistant to heat and pressure differences, could not withstand regular salt water and would break down instantly upon exposure. so when the capsule hit the water the substance started to dissolve and water came in and Grissom, still under the influence was startled awake and with the scarab inside and the hallucinations still happening he freaked out and smashed out the replacement "hatch" thus flooding the capsule.
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While I agree, and I endeavor to make my meaning clear to my fellow man by the use of proper grammar and spelling, I think you should look before you leap.
For instance, in your correcting Hemos' grammar regarding the improper use and/or spelling of the word "exhibition", you forgot that the word "exhibition" was not properly used.
"The capsule will be put on 'exhibition'..." is simply not proper, and you failed to correct this. Obviously, the proper form of the word in this case is "exhibit".
"The capsule will be put on exhibit..."
This has a much nicer ring to it, don't you agree?
--Corey
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Yes, Skylab was indeed huge. Even compared to the modules of ISS, wich have roughly the size of the Mir modules. - Limitations of the Proton launcher and Space Shuttle.
It's a shame that nobody can launch such a big thing like Skylab nowadays - the Saturn V construcion plans are "lost", Von Braun is dead and I don't know, if the russions could built another Energia.
The biggest lifters still in service are currently the shuttle with a payload of ~24 tons (metric) for LEO (185-200km), Proton and Titan 4 with ~20 tons in and Ariane 5 slighlty less. This is 4-5 times less than a Saturn V (118 tons) or Energia (88 tons) was able to launch.
If they could hook up a module on the shuttle tank (instead of the shuttle) with some rocket engines, it would be possible to lift up 77 tons into LEO. And it would even cost less than a single shuttle launch.
There was a project about this (IHLLV), but it doesn't made it to hardware. That's a pitty, it would surly cut the construction costs of the ISS down a lot. And the astronauts/kosmonauts would have a much less claustrophic station (bigger modules).
This one, he named the "Molly Brown".
After that, NASA didn't let them name ships until Apollo.
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their successes, in order to not repeat design
> mistakes. Pilots study accident reports in order to (hopefully) not repeat the piloting mistakes of
> others
... and sysadmins read about hacks to lern about some doors they haven't closed yet.
IIRC, burning would've reduced the pressure inside the capsule as it used up the oxygen. Remember that old high school chemistry trick where you get an egg to be sucked into a narrow-mouthed vase by dropping something burning inside the vase?
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
I think it was more the burning aluminum, plastics, etc which created dense smoke..
Still, a particularly nasty way to go, and a shameful statement on the hubris in the space program at the time.. Doing the plugs-out test while the spacecraft was superpressurized (basically doing both tests at the same time) was reckless, but nobody really cared until people died. I think the term is 'Go Fever'..
You did mean Tucson, right? ;-)
In other news, astrophysicists have announced that they now know what all that dark matter is: it's stupidity.
You see, we were concerned about our astronauts coming back alive. All of these are safety features. In fact, we didn't send up people in unsafe rockets just to be first.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons we haven't gone farther with the whole 'explore the entire universe thing', we're afraid somebody might get hurt. I mean, it's not like the astronauts had a gun at their head.
What percent of the Europeans who explored the Americas in the 16th century ever made it back to Europe? I read somewhere less than half. I mean it's fine for you to be so concerned about other people's safety, but personally, give me the rocket, tell me someplace no one has ever been and I'll go there or die trying.
Then, sturdy Kevlar cord was used to reel in the capsule, which weighed about 3,000 pounds with the water inside.
Your little sister could lift 2000 pounds of water, in water. Everyone whos ever been cooling a barrel of beer in a lake will know what Im talking about.
Well, this is how the press tells us facts.
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Actually, that bit about the spacesuit inflating on Leonov has been known for a long while. I saw an interview with him once where he talked about the whole situation in depth.
Part of the problem, you see, was that they were using an inflatable airlock...
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Excellent series, I've got it on DVD..
btw: A huge part of the problem was also that the hatch opened _inwards_, so the pressure from the burning oxygen pressed the hatch shut and prevented anyone from opening it from the outside. Didn't the hatch eventually blow off its hinges because of the pressure?
Its pure flamebait.
Actually, I think the current thinking is that static electricity from the helecopter overhead was what set the charges off. (The other one I heard was that the "pull to blow hatch" line was caught on something, and accidentally pulled.)
LB7 was in the water for quite a bit before the hatch blew, so it wasn't from the direct impact.
The article didn't go into the background about the exploding hatch. What happened? Even if he did blow the hatch, why is this seen as some horribly shameful thing? The guy made it into space and came back alive; that seems like the important thing.
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Hmm if the American astronauts have trouble fitting through a hatch that is 10 square feet in area I think they need to change their diet a bit.
A bit less of the fatty foods and a little more exercise. I guess the Russians got into space up a little earlier as their rockets would need a lower power rocket to reach orbit.
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Couldn't find anything in the article to post about eh? Haven't read enough Huck Finn or E.E. Cummings?
Personally I think that this was just NASA doing some really early airbag testing. I mean, think about it, things that explode in your face and nearly kill you on impact? Heck, maybe this is where they got the idea :)
There goes an essential part of my plan to put myself into orbit.
There's not that many abandoned spacecraft lying around.
*sigh* I guess this means "Plan B - the do-it-youself Challenger kit"
The answer to the enduring mystery of why the hatch blew may have been in the inside-the-capsule camera that was running when Liberty Bell 7 splashed down. But the camera was found broken open and the film was ruined.
That is awfully convenient...I wonder what would have caused the camera to break like that...
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And yet we have still killed 10 people throughout our space progam. Space is dangerous. It always will be, and we just can't afford to go catatonic and shut down the program for two years everytime someone gets killed.
The Soviets had a much more effective space program because they realized this. The Russian Space Agency now has 20 years of experience with space stations (first the Salyuts and then wonderful Mir) while we've been playing around with the Shuttle. STS is nice, but there is something to be said for not having to drag the space station up with you everytime you launch. September 5 would mark 10 years of continuous human presence in orbit, all thanks to Mir. NASA is finally getting its act together, but its a damned shame Mir has to come down for the ISS. Insane waste of resources.
WHY DON'T NASA JUST ASK GUS GRISSOM???
It says the 'rescuers' found and threw overboard the explosive that was designed to help nasa locate the thing when it sank. It never went off.
Anyway...They threw it overboard...
So, like in a thousand years when we are living on the bottom of the ocean some kid and his friends will be playing around and get blown up.
That's cool...
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An awesome discovery in any time, but especially in light of the 30th anniversary of the first lunar landing.
This is very cool and I'll go see it if it comes near, but I kind of feel sorry for his widow. I'm sure she'd just like to see that thing stay on the bottom of the Atlantic.
Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
They're not going to try and figure out if the hatch blew or not. At least some people still have class.
I guess Discovery Channel is going to take this thing on tour or something. I cant wait to see it.
-Rich
I'm more than a little confused as to why they refuse to go back and look for the hatch. The majority of the interest in this seems to be concerning the hatch, and now they aren't even going to look for it. Oh well, it's still a great recovery.
Because of problems recovering Liberty Bell 7 -- two days were wasted because of bad navigational data and the recovery vessel kept breaking -- Newport had no time to search for the hatch.
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The article was a bit misleading. The capsule won't be going on tour immediately. It's currently in a protective cannister, still submerged in water.
The capsule is being delivered to the Cosmosphere in Hutchision, KS for cleanup and restoration, which may take up to a year. The restoration process, I've heard, will be on full display in a glassed workroom.
After the restoration, it will be taken on tour and then it will be permanently housed at the Cosmosphere. If you are ever going through central Kansas, the Cosmophere is worth checking out. I'm only about an hour away, so I guess I'll go check it out when I can..
More information is here.
jf
Can anyone provide more details on the purpose of the explosive device they through overboard after the recovery was? I find it difficult to believe they wanted to use this to locate the capsule. That would seem like it would put the astronaut's life in considerable jeopardy? Why not use some kind of flare?
I was trying to think of explanations for it and the only thing I could come up with was that they wanted the capsule destroyed in case the Soviet's attempted to recover it? But I don't really know how much real 'secret' technology was on the thing at the time. Was their anything to protect? Not a lot of electronics. Maybe the metal alloys of the pod, but I don't think these would be too secret?
Anyway, if anyone knows the answer, I'm curious to hear it.
Finding that hatch would be damn near impossible. After all, the Mercury hatch was barely large enough for a man to fit through. Lets say 10 square feet...
The time required to conduct the search, the cost of the equipment involved, the specialists on the task have to get paid.. Or at least must eat.
While knowing the whole thruth may (arguably in this case) be the best way to go, I think this one will die based on economics. (Most things die this way anyway)
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Mercury Capsule World Tour coming soon. The last one was 38 years ago. :)
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I read somewhere that they already found the capsule, they were just looking for a way to bring it to the surface. And why don't they look for the hatch? There are alot of unanswered questions that lie with it.
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I grew up about an hour from where the Capsule will end up (the Kansas Cosmosphere). Having grown up with *the* geek museum, the Smithsonian Air and Space was a letdown. If you get ANY chance, go to Hutchinson. Smallish town (40k), but *the* center for space artifacts. Besides the museum, a major industry in town is space restoration (capsules, suits, etc), and recreations (who built the sets for Apollo 13? Not NASA... the Cosmosphere).
Their page is marginal, but it can help you find the place. http://www.cosmo.org You'll understand when you walk in the main door and notice a complete SR-71 Blackbird hanging over you.
Most of Mir would fit inside of Skylab. We would have had a functioning useful space station long ago if the pinheads in congress had decided to pay for a future rather than buy some votes.
Right, the Earth to the Moon episode about Apollo 1 was just on HBO the other night. The total time from first notice of fire to the capsule bursting (I assume the hatch, they didn't say) was 15 seconds.
There was a scene where Borman was talking to an engineer about how to open the hatch, it took 20 seconds to perform the steps. They mentioned a re-design involving some kind of explosive releasing mechanism.
Scary shit. Good thing there were brave, dedicated professionals that were willing to put their lives on the line in the name of science and 'patriotism'. We owe a great debt to these men, this series really brings home the courage and dedication these astronauts brought to bear on this amazing endeavor.
If I remember right - it was the actual hull of the capsule that breached from the internal pressure.
Imagine that! A hull designed to withstand spaceflight, re-entry and spashdown, busted from the internal pressure of a fire. With three human beings inside. Jeezus!
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According to Reader's Digest circa December 1998 at least...
Not to be too nit picky, but it was the Discovery Channel that footed the bill for the recovery, so they are the ones that deserve the 3 cheers...
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After the sinking of the Mercury capsule it
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seemed he'd never live it down (no pun intended).
I'm not sure if he said it or someone else did,
but a comment was made that a sinking was to be
expected with a craft with a crack (painted on,
as a gesture of making it like the Liberty Bell).
When it came to the Gemini program, there was
only one named capsule: Grissom's. He named it
the 'Molly Brown' - yes, after that play.
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Sorry, I couldn't resist. As a native Kansan I grew up hearing (and resenting) this kind of joke, but since I've been away for so long I can understand why people make them...
There is more info, and more pictures at
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http://www.discovery.com/exp/libertybell7/99072
It has a nice discussion of the explosives on the inside of the capsule, and some more pictures.
How is sticking one's head in the sand a sign of class? Knowing whether or not the hatch blew is useful from a technical perspective -- unless we plan on never again using spacecraft that might have a similar design (e.g. an orbit-to-orbit craft, or a surface to orbit craft for other terrestrial planets, or ...). They should make every effort to know every detail about what happened to that capsule, the hatch, and any other relevant artifacts. That knowledge could save the lives of numerous future spacegoing people.
Engineers study each others failures as much as their successes, in order to not repeat design mistakes. Pilots study accident reports in order to (hopefully) not repeat the piloting mistakes of others (JFK Jr. could have undoubtably benefited from doing this, as the decisions he made were truly unforgivable, and have previously, for many other unfortunate pilots, had the same deadly results). This has nothing to do with disrespect for the dead, but rather an ernest and very responsible effort to prevent trajedies from being repeated.
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Congradulations to NASA for the recovery of the Liberty Bell 7.
That's my 1/50 of $1.00 US
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The Pima Air and Space Museum also has a SR-71 and some early space type stuff (I think replicas, but its been a while.) The most amazing thing they have is an entire, intact, though deactivated, TITAN II missle silo just south of Tuscon. They even let you push the Button. A VERY weird feeling to say the least.
Travis
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I saw a documentary a year or so ago which said that Grissom died in the fire on the Apollo 1 because the hatch could not be opened fast enough to save them.
The hatch had been redesigned just before the incident so that it would take at least 15 seconds (or something like that) to open, thus preventing the possibility of the hatch being opened accidentally, or by a panicked crew member before they could be restrained.
The tragic irony was that Grissom had insisted on the redesign himself. He was a great man and a sad loss.
The Liberty Bell will be in Hutchinson at the Cosmosphere in about a week and will be displayed for the following six months as it's restored. A division of the Cosmosphere, the recently-defunct Space Works, was responsible for several replicas of spacecraft used in movies including Apollo 13 and the HBO series Earth to Moon. Some of the same workers will be restoring the Liberty Bell.
The Cosmosphere recently acquired status as an official branch of the Smithsonian, and remains one of the best aerospace museums in the world. The foyer was built around an authentic SR-17 Blackbird, perched on its nose at an angle.
More info about the Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center is here. Friday and Saturday, Apollo 17 astronaut Eugene Cernan will be on hand to sign copies of his book, "Last Man on the Moon."
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The funny thing is that the Cosmosphere was one of the first museums to be offered partnership with the Smithsonian. Given that the Cosmosphere has one of the best collections of Russian space hardware in the world, one wonders if the normal relationship between the Smithsonian and a partner wasn't reversed: Instead of the partner wanting access to the Smithsonian's collection, the Smithsonian wanted access to the Cosmosphere's collection.
Also, if you are ever in Seattle, and you go to the Aviation musieum there, you will notice that about every third picture and artifact in the space section is from the Cosmosphere.
In short, if you are a fan of space hardware and history, make the trip to Hutchinson and see the Cosmosphere.
And if you go on a day other than Sunday, get directions to the Carrige Crossing Inn. Excellent Amish cooking!
A lot of astronauts found the Gemini capsules small. In fact, the astronauts called the Gemini the "Gusmobile" because they thought that only Gus Grissom (who was short) could fit comfortably in it.
Grissom's wife opposed the recovery and said that the capsule belongs on the bottom of the ocean.
The folks at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum have a lot more in their collection than they are showing. They have stuff like an SR-71 and the Space Shuttle atmospheric test prototype "Enterprise". Lots of this is sitting in a hangar at Washington Dulles International Airport because they don't have any place to show it, but they finally got the money to build an annex where they can show this stuff. I hope they'll let you inside the Shuttle prototype...
You see, we were concerned about our astronauts coming back alive. All of these are safety features. In fact, we didn't send up people in unsafe rockets just to be first. The Soviet Union however, sent men up without spacesuits/pressure suits at times to save weight, sent three men in a ship built for two, had few if any controls in the ship, and had them land on the tundra. Can you say "Oy, my achin' back!"? Squeezing men into a metal capsule led to the term Spam in a Can among pilots. Let's just say that USSR is lucky they didn't lose more men than we know about.
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