I mean come on AOL has their own little playground. People either like it and stay there or wise up and go out into the real world. No harm in that.
Actually not really... Were you ever on EFnet while AOL had their IRC servers linked? Virtually every channel had *!*@*.aol.com banned cause of the amount of idiots. They like the intriguing places beyond the playground. I'd love if they wised up before they went into the real world but sadly, they dont. They spill over everywhere.
Face it: Not everyone is as savvy as your average/. reader. Many, many people need AOL (or something like AOL) to get online. They need the coddling, the hand-holding, etc. AOL is doing us a favor, really, by getting so many people wired.
Whoa wait... why is this necessarily good? It's like having a driving school for blind people. Teach them how to drive with an instructor, but not by themselves. Who gains anything from these people going online? Most people go online just cause of the fuzz around it... who gets somehting? big companies. Most people dont need the net, and lots and lots and lots think that just because theyre anonymous they can harrass and ruin for others.
If someone needs the net, teach him how to use it instead... it's not very hard my grandma managed to do it pretty well. When you teach your kid to ride a bike, you have supports for them not to fall... but anyone will agree that you remove those supports after a while so the kid learns to bike.
Once the folks on NTBugTraq looked at it, they determined that "netscapeengineersareweenies" was not a password, but did find another exploit concerning this DLL.
global.asa.asp !seineew era sreenigne epacsteN HTTP/1.0 404 Object Not Found
Well all I know is that if you check the file you find the string Netscape engineers are weeners (but backwards) in there... Dunno why or anything though. Might very well be a backdoor afaik.
The most probable reason for this being "released" now though is to sell more upgrades, I'm sure.
Somebody already said it earlier: 5% of the web, read by 95% of the users. It's not the amount the information so much as how accessible that information is.
May I remind you that that is 5% of the web, read by 95% of the american users.
Also i strongly doubt that: 1. 95% of all americans use or will use AOL. 2. AOL could constrain all those users to only 5% of the web.
Also, most of what I've seen of AOL users on the net (IRC, web, etc) have been clueless idiots who think their being "anonymous" makes it ok for them to ruin stuff for others. If they wanna keep those users off to themeselves, ok by me. The rest of the AOL users would continue to not give a shit about AOL's start pages and browse like they used to. Your numbers are clearly extaggered.
which I think is a bit far-fetched for AOL/Time-Warner, you can just leave the country...
<sarcasm>Yeah, and that's not something you'd be forced to do... they wouldn't have a single bit of control of your life... no way.</sarcasm>
They don't control the world, you can still leave the country, but that doesn't mean they dont control your life. If you're forced to leave the country to get your own free choice and free will, then they have a very big control of your life.
Alternatively, he could link to a news story on the situation so that we could read the facts and then he gets the ball rolling with his opinion piece.
I think this is where you should stfu unless you wanna make a REAL fool out of yourself. See my other reply for more info.
I think you failed to notice the link to the article in this. The article on this page pretty clearly displays dry facts only (reports of both pros and cons included), and that's where you should go if you just want plain facts. And as a JonKatz peice i doubt it was even meant as an unbiased factual report.
This program appears to be well intended: if you think someone is a threat to himself or others, you call a number and they have someone speak to him. Overall, not a terrible state of affairs. If the situation isn't a problem, they go about their business. If they are depressed, maybe they find a good shrink and lead happier lives.
You missed the biggest problem with it... They'll give kids cash, T-shirts, etc, for these calls. It could easily lead to (and im sure it will somewhere if it goes national) "bounty hunting"-like activities. It'll no longer be about helping friends, it'll be about finding someone you can get away with reporting, and get as much cash as possible.
Yeah I saw this movie too... in school, actually. Maybe it's cultural (I'm not in the US) or maybe someone just changed their mind... but didn't the schools like teach people that this kind of behaviour is bad?
Anyway, the choice of name for this organization gets real ironic if you've seen the movie... unless this is just another big screwed up "experiment" to show people what happens...
Oh boy... whoever moderated that up? Repeat this 10 times and you might understand:
[...]that this is a basic issue of license in general, and not the GPL?
You understand now? It wouldnt matter if it was released under the BSD license or a use-only license, this is not a test of the license used but of licenses in general.
Hmmm, I think the original claim wasn't about copyright but rather about the release of trade secrets... and I bet trade secrets are almost always factual... which means that the argument doesnt quite hold up. If the claim is about copyright though, it very well could.
Well not really... The copyright holder may publish the program under any license he/she wishes to... You can't do that with a GPLed program. The GPL grants you the right to use, modify and redistribute a program, it doesn't make it your program.
a grant by the holder of a copyright or patent to another of any of the rights embodied in the copyright or patent short of an assignment of all rights
I have Microsoft Windows 98, a licensed copy. Does this mean I own the copyright for it? No? Then why would this be different? The programmers gave away their right to the copyright of the program to Mattel, the GPL grants use, modification and redistribution, but doesn't sign away the copyright.
Yes... absurd isn't it? I'm still waiting patiently for it to become illegal to view plans of the electricity in your home, just because the electrician who did the job doesn't want you to see how badly he did it...
Have fun pal... until you think of that you have nothing to base the claim that Linus would be my idol on. Some people let the thought of "nailing someone" go a bit too far to actually think before posting.
Your point being that the OJ Simpson case is fiction? If you knew what an example was you'd understand... but obviously you want me to research to find and give you a comprehensive list of every court case bought in America. Sorry I don't have enough lifetimes to spend.
Because there is no way of separating the jokes in this discussion from the serious posts... What you consider jokes, is what other Americans consider truths.
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Actually not really... Were you ever on EFnet while AOL had their IRC servers linked? Virtually every channel had *!*@*.aol.com banned cause of the amount of idiots. They like the intriguing places beyond the playground. I'd love if they wised up before they went into the real world but sadly, they dont. They spill over everywhere.
Too bad you cant use it with your great AOL... this has to be a troll.
Great. I suppose your kids still go on training wheels when theyre 30? AOL is more like the internet with diapers.
Whoa wait... why is this necessarily good? It's like having a driving school for blind people. Teach them how to drive with an instructor, but not by themselves. Who gains anything from these people going online? Most people go online just cause of the fuzz around it... who gets somehting? big companies. Most people dont need the net, and lots and lots and lots think that just because theyre anonymous they can harrass and ruin for others.
If someone needs the net, teach him how to use it instead... it's not very hard my grandma managed to do it pretty well. When you teach your kid to ride a bike, you have supports for them not to fall... but anyone will agree that you remove those supports after a while so the kid learns to bike.
Not everyone can be a guru, but anyone can learn.
global.asa .asp !seineew era sreenigne epacsteN HTTP/1.0 404 Object Not Found
Cut-n-pasted from that dll.
The most probable reason for this being "released" now though is to sell more upgrades, I'm sure.
I'd think thats three times. Most people saw it in the movie theaters (at least) one time too.
Well sure I knew about jennicam, but I sure as hell didnt see it on the news. Pretty weird actually... I'm used to seeing news on the news. Oh well...
May I remind you that that is 5% of the web, read by 95% of the american users.
Also i strongly doubt that:
1. 95% of all americans use or will use AOL.
2. AOL could constrain all those users to only 5% of the web.
Also, most of what I've seen of AOL users on the net (IRC, web, etc) have been clueless idiots who think their being "anonymous" makes it ok for them to ruin stuff for others. If they wanna keep those users off to themeselves, ok by me. The rest of the AOL users would continue to not give a shit about AOL's start pages and browse like they used to. Your numbers are clearly extaggered.
<sarcasm>Yeah, and that's not something you'd be forced to do... they wouldn't have a single bit of control of your life... no way.</sarcasm>
They don't control the world, you can still leave the country, but that doesn't mean they dont control your life. If you're forced to leave the country to get your own free choice and free will, then they have a very big control of your life.
I think this is where you should stfu unless you wanna make a REAL fool out of yourself. See my other reply for more info.
This program appears to be well intended: if you think someone is a threat to himself or others, you call a number and they have someone speak to him. Overall, not a terrible state of affairs. If the situation isn't a problem, they go about their business. If they are depressed, maybe they find a good shrink and lead happier lives.
You missed the biggest problem with it... They'll give kids cash, T-shirts, etc, for these calls. It could easily lead to (and im sure it will somewhere if it goes national) "bounty hunting"-like activities. It'll no longer be about helping friends, it'll be about finding someone you can get away with reporting, and get as much cash as possible.
Anyway, the choice of name for this organization gets real ironic if you've seen the movie... unless this is just another big screwed up "experiment" to show people what happens...
Ouch... now how can it have been a copyright crime if they didn't copy or distibute anything that wasnt theirs to begin with?
Of course, but since that rerelease would be cphack v. 1.1 (or 2.0 or whatever), I could still play around with my cphack 1.0.
[...]that this is a basic issue of license in general, and not the GPL?
You understand now? It wouldnt matter if it was released under the BSD license or a use-only license, this is not a test of the license used but of licenses in general.
Think... It aint illegal yet.
Hmmm, I think the original claim wasn't about copyright but rather about the release of trade secrets... and I bet trade secrets are almost always factual... which means that the argument doesnt quite hold up. If the claim is about copyright though, it very well could.
Well not really... The copyright holder may publish the program under any license he/she wishes to... You can't do that with a GPLed program. The GPL grants you the right to use, modify and redistribute a program, it doesn't make it your program.
I have Microsoft Windows 98, a licensed copy. Does this mean I own the copyright for it? No? Then why would this be different? The programmers gave away their right to the copyright of the program to Mattel, the GPL grants use, modification and redistribution, but doesn't sign away the copyright.
Yes... absurd isn't it? I'm still waiting patiently for it to become illegal to view plans of the electricity in your home, just because the electrician who did the job doesn't want you to see how badly he did it...
Only if you happen to be american... AFAIK, the code isn't illegal anywhere else.... yet.
Have fun pal... until you think of that you have nothing to base the claim that Linus would be my idol on. Some people let the thought of "nailing someone" go a bit too far to actually think before posting.
Your point being that the OJ Simpson case is fiction? If you knew what an example was you'd understand... but obviously you want me to research to find and give you a comprehensive list of every court case bought in America. Sorry I don't have enough lifetimes to spend.
Linus? He had a swedish accent? Nice... What about his finnish accent?
Because there is no way of separating the jokes in this discussion from the serious posts... What you consider jokes, is what other Americans consider truths.