Doc posted: No one whom you're attacking has said the Patriot Act is in effect in Australia,...
Original Poster: understand raiding the offices but the homes to? This smells a lot like the US patriot act
BTW I never said that you couldn't connect them, but connected them like the original poster is what I have a problem with.
If you disagree, draw your own, better, parallel, or point out the inevitable differences between the situations. But when you instead attack the poster with mere assertions of "they're different", with no explanations, and whine about mistreatment by moderators, you convince no one of anything, except of your weak logic.
I never once said I didn't think there was a trend or parallel or whatever else here. My problem, if you would READ my posts are with this automatic jump to blaming the patriot act or more generally Bush or Clinton or whomever.
I also never attacked anyone like you keep saying. I said RTFA because he should, he was after some quick karma and got it. Maybe he did read it, though, then I would expect a more intelligent post than that. My inconsistances?? I've not taken a stance on ANYTHING in this thread except that you can't blame something on something's cousin. whic the orginal poster did.
I am learning a bit about where your flawed reasoning comes from, which is useful in deflecting its trivial attacks when it inevitably resurfaces in another disagreement
My flawed reasoning? You're defending someone who jumped to a conclusion against being told that he jumped to a conclusion.
When people's hands jump to the keyboard to slam someone pointing out that other countries, like Australia, have their own rising tide of unaccountable government intimidation
When the article is ABOUT AUSTRALIA and he blames the patriot act, and when it says so in the littel blurb... and he doesn't connect it at all.. wow. Well think how you want, but connecting across so many things like you seem to think is approriate gets you in trouble rather fast.
Your brand of "conservatism" suits you
Why do you keep labeling me? It says i'm conservative in my sig, pointing it out is quite redundant.
It's interesting that you are attacking me, but not the original poster, when my posts are just articulating exactly the same point about Australia and the US
I already have said what I think about the original poster's comments.. why should i repeat them again? because/. has modded them down.. shocking. DOn't miss a chance to try and associate something with the patriot act no matter how far fetched.
And with the info content, even referential, of your posts so low, I don't find their negative moderation to be inaccurate. There's a difference between vehemence and flaming - getting the hang of it leads, at least, to much more entertaining flames.
there's a reason it's so low, you're logic is non sequitur. It's hard to argue against something that doens't make sense. Of course you don't find the moderation inaccurate. You want to blame everything on the Patriot Act and by doing so get modded up. Join the club.
Use Your Forgotten Brain. Just because it's not in the US, doesn't mean it can't smell like the stench surrounding the abuses of liberty that the US Patriot Act
My brain is forgotten???? the article was about an incident in australia. Even if it WAS in the US, it would not be under the patriot act because the patriot act extends (for better or for worse) the rights of the GOVERNMENT.
I bet your "conservative" values think that librarians are commies, because they encourage sharing
Yeah that's right, that's why I use linux and even have my own website with all the source code to my programs made available. Once again jump to conclusions.
Oh but you get modded insightful and I get flamebait.
Now then, perhaps what would of been a somewhat reasonable statement by the parent poster, is that he is noticing a trend, in the world, and used the patriot act as an example. What he said and what you said are directly connecting two things that cannot be directly connected.
And to the US in general, are we gonna sit back and let all these stupid countries pass us by? I say hell no, time for us to get out of slumber mode and kick everyone's ass again. Nothing like a bit of competition:)
I'm in a similar position. Started with C++ and have since picked up Delphi, Java, PHP and other scripting languages without a problem.
this is basically what CS is about. It's about teaching you how the ocmputer works at various different levels. And what pitfalls to generally avoid.
We have both found picking up similar languages no problem but I will guarentee that you WON'T be churning out useful code in LISP in a short time.
LISP and it's ilk and languages like Prolog are different programming paradigms. So you can't apply the same problem solving techniques in them. Course i think any good CS department would have classes that teach those techiques.
RTFA. It's in Queensland, actually if you'd RTFB(blurb) it says Australia. But don't let that jump to your conclusions. And I never saw anything in the patriot act that would allow something like this to happen.
Well when we did Dos ASM we used interrupts to read/write files, to get time, mount of bytes ect. THose sure don't seem like they could be done in hardware to me, since then it would have to support all file I/O in varius FSs and such. but i'm not an expert, as you can probably tell.
well if you really want some information, here goes.
You'd be better off using your hand then finding some way of cleaning you rhand than using afore mentioned paper. Somethings that work alright, besides TP and baby wipes. Napkins and paper towels, they are somewhat uncomfortable but they get the job done. Any sort of cloth. Those kemi wipes or whatever they're called, intended for use of your hands, they'll sting a bit, but they get the job done as well.
The simple fact is that most of the world's people are quite content withouth space being militarized, and the only people who long for weapons can be divided into 2 categories:
That's why, wherever you live, you live without police right?
I'm not implying by this that Americans are inherintly evil or backward ( as they imply of their enemies ).
No, just anyone who apperantly doesn't aggree with you. Well Saddam wasn't evil? The taliban wasn't evil? ok.. Backwards? I would sya they are.
The US is simply the pinnacle of the world's capitalist empire, and as such, is the most glarying obvious example of what capitalism is really about: profit at any cost.
Correction - Profit at any legal cost. We try to make laws that make it illegal to do such things as profit off of murder. Of course we're somehow going to profit off of the invasion of Iraq right? Nevermind the billions we spent to accomplish this, nevermind that our goal is for Iraq to be a sovereign(sp?) country who could control things themselves.
And that's why the US targets societies with different value systems to it's own for conquering and assimilation: as examples of alternatives to capitalism, they are the biggest threat to the US goal of total global military domination. Don't think that's what the plan is? Check out http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmeric asDefenses.pdf, which was prepared by such war criminals as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Elliot Abrams, Jeb Bush, and Paul Wolfowitz. While you're at it, check out the web site it comes from: http://newamericancentury.org. It will shock you into becoming a socialist!
Wow, so one site, which i haven't read, will shock me into becoming a socialist? Right, i've never thought about the ups and downs of capitalism. or socialism or any other system before. THis convinced me. Things are not so friggn black and white. Yes Capitalism has it's downsides, no shit. But I think it has more upsides than downsides. For our own conquering and assimilation? Ok.. um example? Iraq is the closest thing there is, and we're trying to make it it's own soveriegn(spelling again..) country.
You know, I wonder if that had some kind of factor to this decision. That GWB took a look at how he would be remembered by future generations, especially if he lost this election, and realized he didn't like what he saw - First attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, erosion of constitutionally granted rights, 2 wars, an ugly occupation, an economy that just will not recover, and critics that grow louder as election time grows nearer. Maybe he saw a gambit like this as his only means of redeaming himself in the court of public opinion. That if he sets us out on a long term project, like going to Mars, then perhaps he will be remembered more favorably in the long term - even if he doesn't look so good in the short term.
COuld be, or also possible is that he has tried to do the right thing in all cases regardless of how people view him. Whatever way is true, we'll never know.
No, the leader who kicked it off was JFK. The last White House resident who sort of made big mumbles about it was actually Poppy Bush--but most people don't even remember his Mars by 2035 mumble. Dubya is just trying to get it back on Daddy's schedule.
Perhaps you noticed that the reasons we had a space race are gone? That race is over. This oculd be a new one. And So what if it was his dad's idea or whoever, that makes it less of a good idea? No you're just spouting off crap and you're obviously biased against GWB.
In terms of doing something useful in space, probably the strongest claim would be the international space station--but Dubya is destroying the international cooperation that depends on. Only natural, since Dubya's real motivation for supporting space flight is military dominance.
Please. We certainly are doing nothing with the ISS Destroying relations? Please. I believe that we helped a fair amount with the Beagle 2 and that we had some help with our rovers as well. Only motivation is military dominance? Another pointless spouting of crap. Perhaps you haven't noticed, we already have that. We spend more money on our military than every other country combined in the world. And because of that, we develop a shitload of new ideas, discovery, researching whtaever.
I made a pong game in Scheme, and I had that problem. GC would cause my game to freeze up and it was really pretty bad. So instead I told it to GC every loop, lagged the game, but it was consistent so far less noticable.
Listen man, if I say I don't like the current US stance towards the UN, or on Kyoto, or whatever, that doesn't mean I hate America.
I really didn't say anyone hated america. I just get tired of everything we do or don't do, being considered so wrong or abusing our power of whatever it is. And I think i've repeated myself a few times in other posts, but, my problem isn't so much with the people who are critical, it's that there is a lot ignorant, stupid remarks that other people seem to think are insightful or interesting or whatever. Like for instance comparing Hitler and Bush.
I can only speak for myself. But I think there is a lot of because of the way other people have reacted to the US. And of course a certain percentage of it, is just people being idiots for lack of anything better to do.
And, as we all know, everyone in the world is 100% heterosexual.
I don't think the person's sexuality has much to do with it. I think its a matter of comfortness. I'd rather have a gay guy search me than a female. And no, I'm not gay, i'm straight.
I haven't noticed any more anti-US comments then pro-US, myself. Perhaps USians notice the criticism leveled against the US more than the criticism leveled at other countries?
Honestly, I would say there are about the same amount of ocmments, both idiotic and insightful as far as anti/pro - us goes. My beef is that a lot of the mindless baseless blathering of anti-US crap is modded up.
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No one whom you're attacking has said the Patriot Act is in effect in Australia,...
Original Poster:
understand raiding the offices but the homes to? This smells a lot like the US patriot act
BTW I never said that you couldn't connect them, but connected them like the original poster is what I have a problem with.
If you disagree, draw your own, better, parallel, or point out the inevitable differences between the situations. But when you instead attack the poster with mere assertions of "they're different", with no explanations, and whine about mistreatment by moderators, you convince no one of anything, except of your weak logic.
I never once said I didn't think there was a trend or parallel or whatever else here. My problem, if you would READ my posts are with this automatic jump to blaming the patriot act or more generally Bush or Clinton or whomever.
I also never attacked anyone like you keep saying. I said RTFA because he should, he was after some quick karma and got it. Maybe he did read it, though, then I would expect a more intelligent post than that. My inconsistances?? I've not taken a stance on ANYTHING in this thread except that you can't blame something on something's cousin. whic the orginal poster did.
I am learning a bit about where your flawed reasoning comes from, which is useful in deflecting its trivial attacks when it inevitably resurfaces in another disagreement
My flawed reasoning? You're defending someone who jumped to a conclusion against being told that he jumped to a conclusion.
When people's hands jump to the keyboard to slam someone pointing out that other countries, like Australia, have their own rising tide of unaccountable government intimidation
/. has modded them down.. shocking. DOn't miss a chance to try and associate something with the patriot act no matter how far fetched.
When the article is ABOUT AUSTRALIA and he blames the patriot act, and when it says so in the littel blurb... and he doesn't connect it at all.. wow. Well think how you want, but connecting across so many things like you seem to think is approriate gets you in trouble rather fast.
Your brand of "conservatism" suits you
Why do you keep labeling me? It says i'm conservative in my sig, pointing it out is quite redundant.
It's interesting that you are attacking me, but not the original poster, when my posts are just articulating exactly the same point about Australia and the US
I already have said what I think about the original poster's comments.. why should i repeat them again? because
And with the info content, even referential, of your posts so low, I don't find their negative moderation to be inaccurate. There's a difference between vehemence and flaming - getting the hang of it leads, at least, to much more entertaining flames.
there's a reason it's so low, you're logic is non sequitur. It's hard to argue against something that doens't make sense. Of course you don't find the moderation inaccurate. You want to blame everything on the Patriot Act and by doing so get modded up. Join the club.
ahh thank you for the clarification.
Use Your Forgotten Brain. Just because it's not in the US, doesn't mean it can't smell like the stench surrounding the abuses of liberty that the US Patriot Act
My brain is forgotten???? the article was about an incident in australia. Even if it WAS in the US, it would not be under the patriot act because the patriot act extends (for better or for worse) the rights of the GOVERNMENT.
I bet your "conservative" values think that librarians are commies, because they encourage sharing
Yeah that's right, that's why I use linux and even have my own website with all the source code to my programs made available. Once again jump to conclusions.
Oh but you get modded insightful and I get flamebait.
Now then, perhaps what would of been a somewhat reasonable statement by the parent poster, is that he is noticing a trend, in the world, and used the patriot act as an example. What he said and what you said are directly connecting two things that cannot be directly connected.
It's aboot damn time, eh?
:)
Seriously, gl to my northernly neighbors.
And to the US in general, are we gonna sit back and let all these stupid countries pass us by? I say hell no, time for us to get out of slumber mode and kick everyone's ass again. Nothing like a bit of competition
I'm in a similar position. Started with C++ and have since picked up Delphi, Java, PHP and other scripting languages without a problem.
this is basically what CS is about. It's about teaching you how the ocmputer works at various different levels. And what pitfalls to generally avoid.
We have both found picking up similar languages no problem but I will guarentee that you WON'T be churning out useful code in LISP in a short time.
LISP and it's ilk and languages like Prolog are different programming paradigms. So you can't apply the same problem solving techniques in them. Course i think any good CS department would have classes that teach those techiques.
RTFA. It's in Queensland, actually if you'd RTFB(blurb) it says Australia. But don't let that jump to your conclusions. And I never saw anything in the patriot act that would allow something like this to happen.
Well when we did Dos ASM we used interrupts to read/write files, to get time, mount of bytes ect. THose sure don't seem like they could be done in hardware to me, since then it would have to support all file I/O in varius FSs and such. but i'm not an expert, as you can probably tell.
aren't the interrupts different? Everything all the other instructions would be the same tho I think. But i thought interrupts were OS instructions.
As #1 is not very likely to happen, the question is not whether we can afford to venture into space, but if we can afford not to.
Nature will take care of this, eventually..
In my day the same joke wasn't funny after the 50th time it's been said. ANd we liked it! But so much for my day i guess...
please, i doubt bill could even get his leg that high.
well I do wash my hands. My experience is just form living in a dorm room with people who won't get TP.
well if you really want some information, here goes.
You'd be better off using your hand then finding some way of cleaning you rhand than using afore mentioned paper. Somethings that work alright, besides TP and baby wipes. Napkins and paper towels, they are somewhat uncomfortable but they get the job done. Any sort of cloth. Those kemi wipes or whatever they're called, intended for use of your hands, they'll sting a bit, but they get the job done as well.
Regular paper does not make good toilet paper, neither does newspaper for that matter. Yes I've tried.
The simple fact is that most of the world's people are quite content withouth space being militarized, and the only people who long for weapons can be divided into 2 categories:
c asDefenses.pdf, which was prepared by such war criminals as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Elliot Abrams, Jeb Bush, and Paul Wolfowitz. While you're at it, check out the web site it comes from: http://newamericancentury.org. It will shock you into becoming a socialist!
That's why, wherever you live, you live without police right?
I'm not implying by this that Americans are inherintly evil or backward ( as they imply of their enemies ).
No, just anyone who apperantly doesn't aggree with you. Well Saddam wasn't evil? The taliban wasn't evil? ok.. Backwards? I would sya they are.
The US is simply the pinnacle of the world's capitalist empire, and as such, is the most glarying obvious example of what capitalism is really about: profit at any cost.
Correction - Profit at any legal cost. We try to make laws that make it illegal to do such things as profit off of murder. Of course we're somehow going to profit off of the invasion of Iraq right? Nevermind the billions we spent to accomplish this, nevermind that our goal is for Iraq to be a sovereign(sp?) country who could control things themselves.
And that's why the US targets societies with different value systems to it's own for conquering and assimilation: as examples of alternatives to capitalism, they are the biggest threat to the US goal of total global military domination. Don't think that's what the plan is? Check out http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmeri
Wow, so one site, which i haven't read, will shock me into becoming a socialist? Right, i've never thought about the ups and downs of capitalism. or socialism or any other system before. THis convinced me. Things are not so friggn black and white. Yes Capitalism has it's downsides, no shit. But I think it has more upsides than downsides. For our own conquering and assimilation? Ok.. um example? Iraq is the closest thing there is, and we're trying to make it it's own soveriegn(spelling again..) country.
You know, I wonder if that had some kind of factor to this decision. That GWB took a look at how he would be remembered by future generations, especially if he lost this election, and realized he didn't like what he saw - First attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, erosion of constitutionally granted rights, 2 wars, an ugly occupation, an economy that just will not recover, and critics that grow louder as election time grows nearer. Maybe he saw a gambit like this as his only means of redeaming himself in the court of public opinion. That if he sets us out on a long term project, like going to Mars, then perhaps he will be remembered more favorably in the long term - even if he doesn't look so good in the short term.
COuld be, or also possible is that he has tried to do the right thing in all cases regardless of how people view him. Whatever way is true, we'll never know.
This crap gets modded up? please.
No, the leader who kicked it off was JFK. The last White House resident who sort of made big mumbles about it was actually Poppy Bush--but most people don't even remember his Mars by 2035 mumble. Dubya is just trying to get it back on Daddy's schedule.
Perhaps you noticed that the reasons we had a space race are gone? That race is over. This oculd be a new one. And So what if it was his dad's idea or whoever, that makes it less of a good idea? No you're just spouting off crap and you're obviously biased against GWB.
In terms of doing something useful in space, probably the strongest claim would be the international space station--but Dubya is destroying the international cooperation that depends on. Only natural, since Dubya's real motivation for supporting space flight is military dominance.
Please. We certainly are doing nothing with the ISS Destroying relations? Please. I believe that we helped a fair amount with the Beagle 2 and that we had some help with our rovers as well. Only motivation is military dominance? Another pointless spouting of crap. Perhaps you haven't noticed, we already have that. We spend more money on our military than every other country combined in the world. And because of that, we develop a shitload of new ideas, discovery, researching whtaever.
we've turned it into a mostly piss drinking festival
I know what you mean by piss, but reading this made me crack up.
I made a pong game in Scheme, and I had that problem. GC would cause my game to freeze up and it was really pretty bad. So instead I told it to GC every loop, lagged the game, but it was consistent so far less noticable.
Listen man, if I say I don't like the current US stance towards the UN, or on Kyoto, or whatever, that doesn't mean I hate America.
I really didn't say anyone hated america. I just get tired of everything we do or don't do, being considered so wrong or abusing our power of whatever it is. And I think i've repeated myself a few times in other posts, but, my problem isn't so much with the people who are critical, it's that there is a lot ignorant, stupid remarks that other people seem to think are insightful or interesting or whatever. Like for instance comparing Hitler and Bush.
I can only speak for myself. But I think there is a lot of because of the way other people have reacted to the US. And of course a certain percentage of it, is just people being idiots for lack of anything better to do.
And, as we all know, everyone in the world is 100% heterosexual.
I don't think the person's sexuality has much to do with it. I think its a matter of comfortness. I'd rather have a gay guy search me than a female. And no, I'm not gay, i'm straight.
I didn't say it never happened, I said i've never heard of it.
I haven't noticed any more anti-US comments then pro-US, myself. Perhaps USians notice the criticism leveled against the US more than the criticism leveled at other countries?
Honestly, I would say there are about the same amount of ocmments, both idiotic and insightful as far as anti/pro - us goes. My beef is that a lot of the mindless baseless blathering of anti-US crap is modded up.