I disagree. First, You're going to spend more on a gaming PC than you will a console to get a benefit over consoles. Games are tailored to the hardware in consoles. With PCs, there isn't that amount of fine tuning.
But, the biggest point is that you lose out on console exclusives. I have a Skylake i5 and a 7970 to play PC games on and an Xbox One to play console games on. Things like Sunset Overdrive (probably the best Xbox One exclusive so far for someone like me) didn't come out on PC. You also get free games every month with Games with Gold... or the PS equivalent. Then there's the social aspects..
So, there are several reasons that, if you're looking for a console, you should get a console.
That's ridiculous. First, I don't know of ANY 720p games where they are 1080p on the PS4. The situation you often get is that the games are 900P on the Xbox One, but with a higher and more stable framerate than the PS4. If you can tell the difference between 1080p and 900p, I salute you...because I can't and I game on a 50 inch tv from about 10 feet away.
There are more than 100 games available for both consoles. As far as exclusives, they both have them.
The Xbox One will allow you to watch TV in a window snapped beside your game. It's a better media server. There's a negligible difference in gameplay that you may or may not notice....probably not. It also offers backwards compatibility with Xbox 360 games.
The PS4... ok media server... no TV... PS2 not PS3 compatibility...
In the end, it boils down to what you want to do with it and whose exclusives you like the most. The Xbox One will also stream games to any Windows 10 device if you like doing that. I just streamed Gears of War 3 for Xbox 360 for the last couple of hours from the Xbox One in the den to my computer in my bedroom. I bought a separate Xbox One controller for that, but you can use the same one if you want. You just have to repair it every time you switch from one to the other
My 7 year old loves Viva Pinata via Xbox 360 backwards compatibility. She also plays several of the other games in Rare Replay. She loves LEGO Marvel Avengers as well as a few other lego games. They just added all the Sonic the Hedgehog titles to backwards compatibility as well, so I'll get those for her soon. There are plenty of games on the One for seven year olds....not so much a 4 year old.
Get them an Xbox One and spring for a copy of Rare Replay. They'll have fun for months.
If you were just talking about older teenagers, I might say a PS4. But, the Xbox One has growing backwards compatibility and more and more games for kids. A PS4 might have slightly better graphics, but really you don't notice the difference while playing and, if graphics mattered THAT much, you'd be getting a PC instead of a console anyway. But, the Xbox One is much better for media AND offers backwards compatibility with a growing number of 360 titles. I have a seven year old and the Xbox One is great for both of us. We also run the TV through the HDMI passthrough, so you can actually watch TV WHILE playing a game or whatever else...just snapping the windows side by side.
I like Windows 10. It's the Windows that finally made me switch from Linux. 8 was a travesty. 8.1 was barely better. Windows 10 made a good desktop which didn't make you wonder if you were supposed to be on a tablet. I have a new i5-6500 with my OS on a SSD, so it took about 10-20 minutes to download and upgrade. It seems to boot faster, but honestly, if I didn't have a list of things that had changed, I wouldn't have noticed it. It didn't change my app associations, didn't mess with my OpenSuse Leap dual boot... things go on as before.
But the only way digital only will work is if Sony goes along too. If not, then all the people who hate digital only will start choosing the competition and they'll have to backpeddle again.
I own an Xbox One. I've picked up several games through Amazon, Best Buy, Target, etc. that were on sale for $20, while the digital versions were still full price. Then, I played them through and sold them on eBay for what I paid for them or, at most, a $5 loss. I don't like multiplayer and don't like playing games I've already finished. So, a physical disc is a perfect medium for me. Taking the ability to sell it after I play it away from me is a huge price gouge.
You obviously haven't spent too much time in linux or do it with rose colored glasses. Someone below posted about Ubuntu...here's my favorite from opensuse:
"I've seen some mighty capable hobbyists and some downright retarded experts."
Yes, but which are you more likely to see: an expert who can't do his job or a hobbyist who can't do the job of an expert? For every capable hobbyist out there, there are 20 out there who think they could handle a project like this because they installed Ubuntu on their laptop and set up an FTP server for their friends to share things. They networked to their sister's computer, so they have networking down pat too... Now, do you have the 1 or the 20? If money and a business are riding on this, it's not a reasonable choice to make.
Linux updates break systems too.... But, if there is no local Linux professional or it often takes them a day or so to get to you because there is only one/not enough to go around and they charge a premium because of it... then Windows just became cheaper without looking into anything else.
Yes, but when you get into installations like this, the upfront licensing costs are only part of the equation.... and that's why I think he should get a consultant to look over his specific situation.
Are you sure it's easier to deploy and maintain linux? Do you have someone who can maintain a linux installation of that size? Not a hobbyist.... for God's sake, don't trust this to a hobbyist. Do you have an actual professional? They might be a bit scarcer than Windows IT guys... and that's the first thing I would check: that you have someone who can reliably maintain this....someone certified, not certifiable. Also, ask legitimate IT guys in your area about your specifics. It may or may not be the way to go, but it's better to spend a little money up front on a consultant, than a lot of money trying to get someone to fix what you messed up later.
It doesn't break backwards compatibility. What he mentioned seems to be an issue a few people experienced in the last upgrade as well and is fixable.
But, the bigger issue is: why are you buying windows games to start with? Thr answer to that is: because they run better in windows or aren't available in linux when I want to buy them.
Ok...then that's a mark against linux. It also means you're in windows every time you want to play these games...and were planning on being in windows. That is why it was an option. So, linux is not truly fulfilling your needs as an OS.
I even have desktop icons in linux. I just always liked them. Now, with Windows 10, I can make any shortcut a tile, move them around, group them and name the groups...
So I thought "HEY! This is nice..." and started using it. I don't have to remember anything...just hit start and I can browse through all of them
See..even though you're getting defensive and backtracking (games becomes really one game), it remains that you really can't talk about how great linux is because you yourself are in the position of having to use Windows to compensate for things you cannot do in linux.
As far as your situation: games... Can you play games in linux? Sure. Can you play all the games you'd like? Not at all. Can you install the latest video card and have it supported? Probably not. If it is supported, will the support and performance be equal to what you get in windows? Most likely not.
Of course, that doesn't go into the other desktop issues people run into...bugs, other driver issues, etc. But it is a similar issue
It's not a combative tone. I was pointing out what you had said and the issues....that you have deficiencies in linux that you're compensating for by using windows alongside it.
I don't play games on the pc. I have an Xbox One and a PS3 for that. So, I don't run into the game problems even though that particular dll issue seems to be something that happens upon upgrade for some people from version to version and is able to be fixed (sorta like the issues they put in the distro's readme file).
That being said, even though I had windows sitting there "just in case", I'd go months without booting into it. I would kick the tires for a couple of days when an upgrade came out, but that was the extent of it.
Yes, I've run into your missing dll problem several times in linux....missing package dependency or missing file in a package... but it seems like things are just way too buggy in general on the desktop and, as the other commenter noted, they're getting worse over the years.
As far as turning off things not actually turning them off, that would be a huge legal liability for any company to do.
Ok... Without even delving into the dll issue, I want to point something out:
"I finally decided to try Windows 10 this weekend. I downloaded the ISO with their tool first, and then decided to try the "upgrade" route. Of course, none of my games work any more."
I'd be willing to bet none of those games work in linux, either. That leaves us with two take-aways:
1. You're already a considerable user of Windows, because you've amassed a game library 2. You don't hold it against Linux, as an OS, that it can't play your games.
So, that leaves a double standard where you lower your expectations for Linux, but can't use it as your only OS because it does not fulfill your needs.If you were to look at both, without bias, It seems Linux is the one you'd be railing against.
As far as the privacy issues, there have been many articles that walk through what those privacy settings mean and how to turn them off. Treat it just like you would when you have to hunt down things about Linux online and figure out what to do.
This is where reading comprehension comes in. I offered several reasons. As a matter of fact, the whole third paragraph was full of reasons and examples that had nothing to do with the start menu.
"WTF would I want an "XBox" account tile for when I don't own a gaming system of any kind, much less one susceptible to the "red ring of death"? "
That was some releases of the Xbox 360. The current Xbox console is the Xbox One, which has no problems of the sort. The app is so you can interact with your Xbox One account and even connect to the console and stream Xbox One games so you can play them on your Windows 10 box.
That being said, you do know that you can right click on those tiles, uninstall the programs or unpin them from start, right?
I've been a linux user since 1997, except for a couple of years when I ran OS X (10.5-10.6). I started out on Redhat (a couple of weeks with slackware before that, but too short a time to count), then went to OpenSuse after the second Fedora release and migrated to Linux Mint 17.1 because I found too many annoying bugs in the most recent release of OpenSuse. I'm strictly a desktop user and was waiting for the rise of the Linux desktop like everyone else, but always kept a version of Windows on dual boot because A. It usually came with the machine and B. "just in case".
Yesterday, I installed Grub Customizer and switched my default boot to Windows 10. It is, to me, the best version of Windows they've managed to come out with. I happen to love the start menu. I did away with all my icons I normally put on the desktop and, instead, they reside in the start menu. The privacy issues seem to be no better nor worse than you get from Apple, but the OS seems to finally be as good as what you'd get from Apple.
I have to say... I've gotten sick, over the years, of Linux being treated like the red-headed stepchild when it comes to drivers, software and websites. But, just as importantly, I've grown sick of the bugs that continually creep up in the desktop experience. Dilbert stops showing up on the KDE comic applet....search all around...no fixes seem to work....gotta live with it. Can't find an mp3 player that really seems to work, catalog my library, manage the playlists and mp3s on my samsung s3 etc. without hanging or outright crashing... It's the bugs like that which seem to really be in your face on a near daily basis....and they don't seem to be fixed. It's much more exciting to add features than hunt down bugs. I understand that. Some will say that, if I don't like the bugs, then fix them myself. But, I don't want an OS I have to learn to code and help out projects just to make something I can use.... I'm a single parent raising a 7 year old. I just want something I can use and that fits my needs....
Linux Mint has been, by far, the most polished and professional desktop experience I've had in a while. That could be because they've stayed with the same release of Ubuntu underlying it for the last couple of releases. Whatever the reason, I've still found a more pleasing desktop experience in Windows 10.
This is actually the reason I did not purchase a slingbox. It was to be one of my seven year-old's birthday gifts (the other being a tablet). However, I went with Amazon Prime instead when I saw you have to pay $15 for each app and then they throw their own advertisements (which may or may not be age appropriate) over the top.
I tried to remember the last time I bought a discrete sound card. Then I remembered. It was back when I paid $20 for Open Sound System aka OSS/Linux because I couldn't seem to correctly compile support in the kernel for my shiny new soundblaster 16.
So, they took photos with the webcam and even admit those photos include children. If even one of those children is in a state of undress, they took that picture and shared it with their franchisees, they should be busted for manufacture and dissemination of child pornography, because you know if that child did the same thing, those are the charges they would face.
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I disagree. First, You're going to spend more on a gaming PC than you will a console to get a benefit over consoles. Games are tailored to the hardware in consoles. With PCs, there isn't that amount of fine tuning.
But, the biggest point is that you lose out on console exclusives. I have a Skylake i5 and a 7970 to play PC games on and an Xbox One to play console games on. Things like Sunset Overdrive (probably the best Xbox One exclusive so far for someone like me) didn't come out on PC. You also get free games every month with Games with Gold... or the PS equivalent. Then there's the social aspects..
So, there are several reasons that, if you're looking for a console, you should get a console.
That's ridiculous. First, I don't know of ANY 720p games where they are 1080p on the PS4. The situation you often get is that the games are 900P on the Xbox One, but with a higher and more stable framerate than the PS4. If you can tell the difference between 1080p and 900p, I salute you...because I can't and I game on a 50 inch tv from about 10 feet away.
There are more than 100 games available for both consoles. As far as exclusives, they both have them.
The Xbox One will allow you to watch TV in a window snapped beside your game. It's a better media server. There's a negligible difference in gameplay that you may or may not notice....probably not. It also offers backwards compatibility with Xbox 360 games.
The PS4... ok media server... no TV... PS2 not PS3 compatibility...
In the end, it boils down to what you want to do with it and whose exclusives you like the most. The Xbox One will also stream games to any Windows 10 device if you like doing that. I just streamed Gears of War 3 for Xbox 360 for the last couple of hours from the Xbox One in the den to my computer in my bedroom. I bought a separate Xbox One controller for that, but you can use the same one if you want. You just have to repair it every time you switch from one to the other
My 7 year old loves Viva Pinata via Xbox 360 backwards compatibility. She also plays several of the other games in Rare Replay. She loves LEGO Marvel Avengers as well as a few other lego games. They just added all the Sonic the Hedgehog titles to backwards compatibility as well, so I'll get those for her soon. There are plenty of games on the One for seven year olds....not so much a 4 year old.
Get them an Xbox One and spring for a copy of Rare Replay. They'll have fun for months.
If you were just talking about older teenagers, I might say a PS4. But, the Xbox One has growing backwards compatibility and more and more games for kids. A PS4 might have slightly better graphics, but really you don't notice the difference while playing and, if graphics mattered THAT much, you'd be getting a PC instead of a console anyway. But, the Xbox One is much better for media AND offers backwards compatibility with a growing number of 360 titles. I have a seven year old and the Xbox One is great for both of us. We also run the TV through the HDMI passthrough, so you can actually watch TV WHILE playing a game or whatever else...just snapping the windows side by side.
I like Windows 10. It's the Windows that finally made me switch from Linux. 8 was a travesty. 8.1 was barely better. Windows 10 made a good desktop which didn't make you wonder if you were supposed to be on a tablet. I have a new i5-6500 with my OS on a SSD, so it took about 10-20 minutes to download and upgrade. It seems to boot faster, but honestly, if I didn't have a list of things that had changed, I wouldn't have noticed it. It didn't change my app associations, didn't mess with my OpenSuse Leap dual boot... things go on as before.
Yes.... Drive a Yugo....You don't need that Mercedes! A Yugo gets you around just fine!
But the only way digital only will work is if Sony goes along too. If not, then all the people who hate digital only will start choosing the competition and they'll have to backpeddle again.
I own an Xbox One. I've picked up several games through Amazon, Best Buy, Target, etc. that were on sale for $20, while the digital versions were still full price. Then, I played them through and sold them on eBay for what I paid for them or, at most, a $5 loss. I don't like multiplayer and don't like playing games I've already finished. So, a physical disc is a perfect medium for me. Taking the ability to sell it after I play it away from me is a huge price gouge.
You obviously haven't spent too much time in linux or do it with rose colored glasses. Someone below posted about Ubuntu...here's my favorite from opensuse:
https://www.google.com/#q=opensuse+black+screen+after+boot
and Debian is a joke between me and my friends because of this kind of thing:
https://www.google.com/#q=debian+broken+packages
"I've seen some mighty capable hobbyists and some downright retarded experts."
Yes, but which are you more likely to see: an expert who can't do his job or a hobbyist who can't do the job of an expert? For every capable hobbyist out there, there are 20 out there who think they could handle a project like this because they installed Ubuntu on their laptop and set up an FTP server for their friends to share things. They networked to their sister's computer, so they have networking down pat too... Now, do you have the 1 or the 20? If money and a business are riding on this, it's not a reasonable choice to make.
Linux updates break systems too.... But, if there is no local Linux professional or it often takes them a day or so to get to you because there is only one/not enough to go around and they charge a premium because of it... then Windows just became cheaper without looking into anything else.
Yes, but when you get into installations like this, the upfront licensing costs are only part of the equation.... and that's why I think he should get a consultant to look over his specific situation.
Are you sure it's easier to deploy and maintain linux? Do you have someone who can maintain a linux installation of that size? Not a hobbyist.... for God's sake, don't trust this to a hobbyist. Do you have an actual professional? They might be a bit scarcer than Windows IT guys... and that's the first thing I would check: that you have someone who can reliably maintain this....someone certified, not certifiable. Also, ask legitimate IT guys in your area about your specifics. It may or may not be the way to go, but it's better to spend a little money up front on a consultant, than a lot of money trying to get someone to fix what you messed up later.
It doesn't break backwards compatibility. What he mentioned seems to be an issue a few people experienced in the last upgrade as well and is fixable.
But, the bigger issue is: why are you buying windows games to start with? Thr answer to that is: because they run better in windows or aren't available in linux when I want to buy them.
Ok...then that's a mark against linux. It also means you're in windows every time you want to play these games...and were planning on being in windows. That is why it was an option. So, linux is not truly fulfilling your needs as an OS.
I even have desktop icons in linux. I just always liked them. Now, with Windows 10, I can make any shortcut a tile, move them around, group them and name the groups...
So I thought "HEY! This is nice..." and started using it. I don't have to remember anything. ..just hit start and I can browse through all of them
See..even though you're getting defensive and backtracking (games becomes really one game), it remains that you really can't talk about how great linux is because you yourself are in the position of having to use Windows to compensate for things you cannot do in linux.
As far as your situation: games... Can you play games in linux? Sure. Can you play all the games you'd like? Not at all. Can you install the latest video card and have it supported? Probably not. If it is supported, will the support and performance be equal to what you get in windows? Most likely not.
Of course, that doesn't go into the other desktop issues people run into...bugs, other driver issues, etc. But it is a similar issue
It's not a combative tone. I was pointing out what you had said and the issues....that you have deficiencies in linux that you're compensating for by using windows alongside it.
I don't play games on the pc. I have an Xbox One and a PS3 for that. So, I don't run into the game problems even though that particular dll issue seems to be something that happens upon upgrade for some people from version to version and is able to be fixed (sorta like the issues they put in the distro's readme file).
That being said, even though I had windows sitting there "just in case", I'd go months without booting into it. I would kick the tires for a couple of days when an upgrade came out, but that was the extent of it.
Yes, I've run into your missing dll problem several times in linux....missing package dependency or missing file in a package... but it seems like things are just way too buggy in general on the desktop and, as the other commenter noted, they're getting worse over the years.
As far as turning off things not actually turning them off, that would be a huge legal liability for any company to do.
Ok... Without even delving into the dll issue, I want to point something out:
"I finally decided to try Windows 10 this weekend. I downloaded the ISO with their tool first, and then decided to try the "upgrade" route. Of course, none of my games work any more."
I'd be willing to bet none of those games work in linux, either. That leaves us with two take-aways:
1. You're already a considerable user of Windows, because you've amassed a game library
2. You don't hold it against Linux, as an OS, that it can't play your games.
So, that leaves a double standard where you lower your expectations for Linux, but can't use it as your only OS because it does not fulfill your needs.If you were to look at both, without bias, It seems Linux is the one you'd be railing against.
As far as the privacy issues, there have been many articles that walk through what those privacy settings mean and how to turn them off. Treat it just like you would when you have to hunt down things about Linux online and figure out what to do.
This is where reading comprehension comes in. I offered several reasons. As a matter of fact, the whole third paragraph was full of reasons and examples that had nothing to do with the start menu.
"WTF would I want an "XBox" account tile for when I don't own a gaming system of any kind, much less one susceptible to the "red ring of death"? "
That was some releases of the Xbox 360. The current Xbox console is the Xbox One, which has no problems of the sort. The app is so you can interact with your Xbox One account and even connect to the console and stream Xbox One games so you can play them on your Windows 10 box.
That being said, you do know that you can right click on those tiles, uninstall the programs or unpin them from start, right?
I've been a linux user since 1997, except for a couple of years when I ran OS X (10.5-10.6). I started out on Redhat (a couple of weeks with slackware before that, but too short a time to count), then went to OpenSuse after the second Fedora release and migrated to Linux Mint 17.1 because I found too many annoying bugs in the most recent release of OpenSuse. I'm strictly a desktop user and was waiting for the rise of the Linux desktop like everyone else, but always kept a version of Windows on dual boot because A. It usually came with the machine and B. "just in case".
Yesterday, I installed Grub Customizer and switched my default boot to Windows 10. It is, to me, the best version of Windows they've managed to come out with. I happen to love the start menu. I did away with all my icons I normally put on the desktop and, instead, they reside in the start menu. The privacy issues seem to be no better nor worse than you get from Apple, but the OS seems to finally be as good as what you'd get from Apple.
I have to say... I've gotten sick, over the years, of Linux being treated like the red-headed stepchild when it comes to drivers, software and websites. But, just as importantly, I've grown sick of the bugs that continually creep up in the desktop experience. Dilbert stops showing up on the KDE comic applet....search all around...no fixes seem to work....gotta live with it. Can't find an mp3 player that really seems to work, catalog my library, manage the playlists and mp3s on my samsung s3 etc. without hanging or outright crashing... It's the bugs like that which seem to really be in your face on a near daily basis....and they don't seem to be fixed. It's much more exciting to add features than hunt down bugs. I understand that. Some will say that, if I don't like the bugs, then fix them myself. But, I don't want an OS I have to learn to code and help out projects just to make something I can use.... I'm a single parent raising a 7 year old. I just want something I can use and that fits my needs....
Linux Mint has been, by far, the most polished and professional desktop experience I've had in a while. That could be because they've stayed with the same release of Ubuntu underlying it for the last couple of releases. Whatever the reason, I've still found a more pleasing desktop experience in Windows 10.
This is actually the reason I did not purchase a slingbox. It was to be one of my seven year-old's birthday gifts (the other being a tablet). However, I went with Amazon Prime instead when I saw you have to pay $15 for each app and then they throw their own advertisements (which may or may not be age appropriate) over the top.
They've already said they were going to do that
http://thefusejoplin.com/2015/02/xbox-app-windows-10-stream-xbox-games-pcs/
I tried to remember the last time I bought a discrete sound card. Then I remembered. It was back when I paid $20 for Open Sound System aka OSS/Linux because I couldn't seem to correctly compile support in the kernel for my shiny new soundblaster 16.
In short..... a really really long time ago
So, they took photos with the webcam and even admit those photos include children. If even one of those children is in a state of undress, they took that picture and shared it with their franchisees, they should be busted for manufacture and dissemination of child pornography, because you know if that child did the same thing, those are the charges they would face.
Have they ever been to a school? I'm sure any school in the country has a surplus of cockroaches they can send back to the company.