you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong [and] seem to have extremely poor logic skills
Wrong, it's precisely because people have the ability to think logically that they don't believe misinformation promulgated by mainstream media and endeavor to discover the truth. A lot of times they are wrong, that's why it's called conspiracy "theory".
The people who wish to avoid the light of day deliberately perpetuate mis/disinformation knowing full-well that doing so will disable any effort to expose them using scientific method(or any method for that matter). The fact is that conspiracy theorists have every right and should investigate when the real paranoid psychotic nutjobs attempt to conceal their murderous actions.
If you bet against them, you'd make plenty of money.
I'm not surprised this was mod'd troll. Most people are so indoctrinated by the mainstream media that they are incapable of believing their own government would ever do anything bad. Soon enough the ring of dissenting voices will resonate "imminent terrorist threat" through corporate echo chambers.
And now you know how the establishment sells world-wide eugenics programs! This is like Warren Buffet telling the taxpayer, "Hey, taxpayer, you could pay less taxes if you remain complicit in the systematic destruction of the society around you."
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Its written in PHP. What the hell do you expect?:o)
90% of web "developers" aren't software engineers. Real software engineers use real platforms which make the web look like shite. PHP actually has come a long way as a language, but PHP developers tend to know the web platform(primarily HTML/CSS) and usually can't code their way out of a wet paper bag. In fact, Drupals overall failure as an API and the general lack of sophistication among its developers is typical when describing anything on the web platform. PHP has its caveats, trust me, but the crappy web platform tends to spawn even crappier applications.
the iPhone app and it is also integrated into Facebook
Why does this "languages" presence on the iPhone and Facebook suddenly legitimize it? I can't think of any better way to destroy intellectual discourse than by devolving it to some random terse symbology.
While big corporations like Apple and Facebook plan significant depopulation in concert with the international banks and the military industrial complex, the moron herds are concocting new ways to think less than they already do. Woohooooo! America!
The problem is that this policy will be selectively enforced. This is meant to "crack down" on little fish who are just imitating the big fish, namely, international banking corporations. The banks are going for broke, outright pillaging and looting countries on the regular. Fact is, we have a corporate culture which encourages profit regardless of moral or ethical guidelines. From the ground up to the very top, criminals gather and discuss the best way to exploit everything around them. The establishment is a giant scam, surrounded by a ton of littler scams. The banks rely on the FBI as an enforcement arm but refuse to undergo the same scrutiny.
*cough*George W Bush*cough* could be considered a scientific-technological elite?
why was this mod'd insightful?
bush isn't among the elite, you insensitive clod!
He is merely a pawn in an international game of chess perpetrated primarily by credit institutions and their enforcement arm, the military industrial complex. The elite systematically indoctrinate the masses as well as the military to embrace their authoritarian dictatorship. Military technology is effectively 20+ years ahead of whats on consumer markets and they use it a LOT to manufacture, distribute, and enforce their anti-intellectual, totalitarian agenda. They have established WORLD WIDE SLAVERY behind a veil of celebrity-like personality cultists like George W and Obama.
Please stop spouting nonsensical FUD about Obama's fake fascination with consumer fads and accept the fact that the gov't is in bed with private industry. Private industry loves nothing better than to intellectually bankrupt the masses with behavioral training and subliminal messages. Why? Because that gives them an uncontested means to consolidate power, therein ensuring technological, economic, and intellectual domination over the masses. In contrast to our current centralized top-down approach, evenly distributed resources, information, and technology are key to maintaining healthy decentralized infrastructures. If the elite want to maintain their domination, they do well suppress humanities access to said necessities. If the elite can invent some new more efficient way of suppressing and subjugating the population, of which they are only 0.01%, trust me, they will.
We are inexorably and irrevocably slaves to the system, which is, in-fact a scientific-technocracy(and has been for quite some time).
Apple either hasn't been aware of political and social changes in the world over the last 20 years
Can you really blame them? MOST people are unaware of contemporary economic and social changes over the last 20 years. There seems to be no shortage of what people, despite their own best interest, fail to know or understand. For example, most people don't know that among many others corporations, Apple artificially inflates their market value by misrepresenting their risk. And that Apple's capital is actually worth half of its perceived value, along with most companies who directly or indirectly supported the incremental establishment of a parasitic shadow banking institution which has now compromised more than half of the WORLD market. But hey, Wall Street has never shown signs or publicly admitted the existence of a shadow banking system, so I guess that means I'm a whacko conspiracy theorist. Only when this parasite stops working in symbiosis with legitimate institutions and instead attacks its host in order to systematically consolidate power will people begin to believe the countless voices who warned against Wall St and the Fed to begin with(otherwise known as conspiracy theorists).
Oh well, I must be deranged to believe my eyes when I see the market spiral out of control, encountering practically no resistance, with such velocity that explosives must have been planted in the building..err I mean someone mistyped "b" instead of "m". Give me a break, this market short-circuiting "bug" was a staged event with which the bankers will leverage propagandized public opinion to steamroll over any semblance of free market, essentially dismantling U.S. sovereignty and leaving us, the American people, homeless on the continent our forefathers conquered.
Understand, the inception of the fed was over 100 years ago. Our economy has experienced relative stability during the course of most of that time. We gave the fed the right to artificially reduce interest rates, print fiat fake currency, and sell off massive portions of our debt to other nations as collateral. The cracks in the financial dam had accumulated en masse, though most were not aware of such weakness, the dam has COLLAPSED and the shadow banking system is EXPOSED. The same bankers who created this cluster fuck will swoop in and "punish the wicked"(buy small fish out) and consolidate the rest of the wealth. Meanwhile, the American and world populations believe that vengeance against the bankers will come in the form of "comprehensive financial reform." Again, while thats exactly the kind of reform we need, it is far from what we will get. The bankers are writing legislation to fix a problem they caused in the first place. Seriously, fool me once?
I have yet to see even -one- that adjusts the address bar so that I can link to a specific photo
Implementation of user-friendly URLs is not standardized much at all among web applications/servers. Building a reliable routing framework requires extensive knowledge of multiple disparate platform implementations. A small photo viewer application is not meant to provide a web platform implementation, but rather a framework for inclusion into your companies generally bigger and pre-existing platform. Simply building applications with rudimentary/standardized technology means some developers opt of the game entirely with the no-framework framework, relying primarily on automation and a thorough understanding of systems design to create elegant solutions for common application tasks. The game being played is sell your shit at any price, which in the industry sometimes translates to 1) intrusive DRM, 2) vendor lock-in, 3) traffic shaping, etc..
Reaching the point where the establishment accepts and adopts such methodologies would itself require magnanimous effort. In other words, instituting real transparency and accountability is nearly insurmountable considering the immense corruption already woven into corporations and the gov't. Systematically dismantling and reforming corrupt institutions is realistically decades, if not centuries, away. Like the parent mentioned, the expense of instituting such a system is tremendous. That in addition to manufacturing a favorable political climate is ludicrous. Not to mention the current establishments propensity towards violence, therein reducing any notion of true democracy or policy consensus to pure frivolity. Attempting to implement this given the current climate would most probably result in violent retaliation from the elite, barring a major catalyzing event(natural disaster/nuclear fallout/chuck norris dying/etc).
For Americans who can't grasp the idea of corporate relevancy and the disgusting lengths corporations go to maintain it; keep in mind that throughout the entirety of human history there has yet to be a single democratic or representative government that avoided succumbing to a domestic and/or foreign authoritarian imperialist influence. On another note, until large factions of the military adopt a strict doctrine of supporting the aforementioned kinds of reform(and/or the military decentralizes into regional militias), it is very unlikely we will see the masses wrenching control back from international banks and money institutions(our primary obstacles in achieving liberty atm)
Is it really that easy? Private trackers are just that, private. Getting an invite isn't exactly a trivial matter, and if it were, then it would be easy for snoopers to infiltrate and monitor.
some may argue that Plone is actually a big and complex system
There are plenty of big and complex CMS's out there that aren't total pieces of crap. Plone isn't one of them.
Run as far and as fast as you can from Plone, my friend.
I find this theory preposterous and a piss poor attempt to expose real human problems by superimposing dining plates on pictures of internet cafes.
Seriously, what makes the article author think we have any basis for understanding or drawing comparisons from super-intelligent, super-advanced sentient creatures who have never once concretely manifested themselves to us. There are a VERY few select group of humans throughout history which I'd even consider being super-intelligent, so we have very little, practically no basis of comparison. That is of course, unless you believed William Cooper, in which case you probably are an alien or a high-level operative of the NWO.
This seemingly benevolent entrant into web video just might actually dethrone some other piss poor examples of vendor lock-in. That said, I welcome the contender as this may also mean substantial growth in their authoring tools and standardized quality content.
HTML5 video is already hampered by competing standards and this doesn't help.
As far as HTML5 video goes, it doesn't matter so much if the technically "best" codec gets used, so long as a single format is standardised to a large degree.
The success of this codec on the web is determined by how widely it's adopted by various disparate authoring platforms. It is likely that adoption is dependent on corporate collusion as much as it is consensus. And that as a result, a competing more robust codec will bite the dust, while it's dumbed-down stripped-down alternative claims wild success and dubs themselves "lord" for revolutionizing the web. Understand though, developer adoption is strictly responsible for a codec's success. Corporate agenda's simply manipulate developers and therein indirectly effect Google's profit margins.
However, a properly informed and pragmatic developer will generally use the best tool for the job. Sometimes the goal is shaky, but draconian time-constraints, bad management, and good marketing will perpetuate horrendously unmaintainable software's popularity. This trend and the resulting chaos are what causes corporations to participate in vendor lock-in and artificially inflate their products price-point. Their shit stinks, they know it, and in order to maintain corporate relevancy, they lie.
There is little consensus now because developers want robust and free, as they should. You can't get it until Google says "screw you guys" and gives away a codec, basically saying to current codec proprietors to get their heads out of their asses and evolve, otherwise face extinction.
Replying to myself. This is the same notion in establishment media prevalent in most corporate institutions. Manifesting itself through their desire to artificially manufacture economic or intellectual scarcity, this brand of trust essentially postulates their own value irregardless of supply and demand. Furthermore, their grossly misrepresented value is perceived as actual value due to regulation and therefore accounts for their phenomenal circulation. Do not confuse that perceived value with real redeeming quality because at the same time that same establishment is systematically perpetuating an anti-intellectual agenda by propagandizing disinformation designed to indoctrinate consumers with an insatiable parasitic worldview. The perpetuation of said agenda reduces the masses to malleable commodities destined for dependence on institutionalized corruption. That dependence is simply a means to an end, namely compliance with the establishment and the wholesale enslavement of mankind.
No you're right.
It just so happens that one of the things you can reference with this advanced hyperlinking technology is a funnel to piss your money away.
That show was great. It's too bad that it was too nerdy for the mainstream audiences that TechTV and now G4 are trying to attract. Now they're TV equivalent of 4chan, and even that comparison may be an insult to 4chan.
This is probably because nerds despise overt advertising and TV programs in general since with few exceptions they tend to be oriented towards lowest common denominator morons.
I see the same old heavy client programmers who couldn't adapt to web programming.
This is partially true due to the fact that over the past 15 years the functionality available through the web platform has increased greatly and is approaching the level of traditional client applications. It's close, just not quite there. That said, while the web platform is usually excellent there are some mitigating factors hindering it's growth like the slow adoption and vendor lock-in. Considering the enormous improvements to the web platform there still is a substantial need for client applications even though most business applications could be implemented without it.
Security is a huge issue, a lot of shops simply don't want their applications exposed remotely, therein increasing the potential for an outside attack.
Performance is another. Until internet bandwidth reaches a point where it can support concurrency with enormous datasets and practically no latency then client applications will proliferate unabated.
Additionally, there are vast swathes of the population without broadband, or internet at all. Even if the bandwidth capacity increased and performance isn't an issue(server-side), we still need to establish a lot more very expensive infrastructure to plug people in.
Finally, there is the plain old issue of control. Many people don't wish to be beholden to hosting brokers and their ISP's since both are prone to draconian government meddling(namely traffic shaping or the enforcement of archaic IP laws).
While I agree the web platform is growing exponentially and it is very likely that overall adoption will exceed native applications in the near future, native applications aren't going away anytime soon. Additionally, since the fundamental concepts between both platforms tend to be more similar than different, a lot of native environments will and do support the stateless web where possible. IMO, eliminating the need for RAM and native processing is currently insurmountable.
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you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong [and] seem to have extremely poor logic skills
Wrong, it's precisely because people have the ability to think logically that they don't believe misinformation promulgated by mainstream media and endeavor to discover the truth. A lot of times they are wrong, that's why it's called conspiracy "theory".
The people who wish to avoid the light of day deliberately perpetuate mis/disinformation knowing full-well that doing so will disable any effort to expose them using scientific method(or any method for that matter). The fact is that conspiracy theorists have every right and should investigate when the real paranoid psychotic nutjobs attempt to conceal their murderous actions.
If you bet against them, you'd make plenty of money.
Oh yes, profit motive. That will fix everything.
"In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane." - Spock
How else do you expect people to react when 99% of wealth is owned by less than 1% of the population?
I'm not surprised this was mod'd troll. Most people are so indoctrinated by the mainstream media that they are incapable of believing their own government would ever do anything bad. Soon enough the ring of dissenting voices will resonate "imminent terrorist threat" through corporate echo chambers.
Kill the internet before independent media exposes the banking cartels for the criminals that they are.
And now you know how the establishment sells world-wide eugenics programs! This is like Warren Buffet telling the taxpayer, "Hey, taxpayer, you could pay less taxes if you remain complicit in the systematic destruction of the society around you."
Its written in PHP. What the hell do you expect? :o)
90% of web "developers" aren't software engineers. Real software engineers use real platforms which make the web look like shite. PHP actually has come a long way as a language, but PHP developers tend to know the web platform(primarily HTML/CSS) and usually can't code their way out of a wet paper bag. In fact, Drupals overall failure as an API and the general lack of sophistication among its developers is typical when describing anything on the web platform. PHP has its caveats, trust me, but the crappy web platform tends to spawn even crappier applications.
the iPhone app and it is also integrated into Facebook
Why does this "languages" presence on the iPhone and Facebook suddenly legitimize it? I can't think of any better way to destroy intellectual discourse than by devolving it to some random terse symbology.
While big corporations like Apple and Facebook plan significant depopulation in concert with the international banks and the military industrial complex, the moron herds are concocting new ways to think less than they already do. Woohooooo! America!
The problem is that this policy will be selectively enforced. This is meant to "crack down" on little fish who are just imitating the big fish, namely, international banking corporations. The banks are going for broke, outright pillaging and looting countries on the regular. Fact is, we have a corporate culture which encourages profit regardless of moral or ethical guidelines. From the ground up to the very top, criminals gather and discuss the best way to exploit everything around them. The establishment is a giant scam, surrounded by a ton of littler scams. The banks rely on the FBI as an enforcement arm but refuse to undergo the same scrutiny.
*cough*George W Bush*cough* could be considered a scientific-technological elite?
why was this mod'd insightful?
bush isn't among the elite, you insensitive clod!
He is merely a pawn in an international game of chess perpetrated primarily by credit institutions and their enforcement arm, the military industrial complex. The elite systematically indoctrinate the masses as well as the military to embrace their authoritarian dictatorship. Military technology is effectively 20+ years ahead of whats on consumer markets and they use it a LOT to manufacture, distribute, and enforce their anti-intellectual, totalitarian agenda. They have established WORLD WIDE SLAVERY behind a veil of celebrity-like personality cultists like George W and Obama.
Please stop spouting nonsensical FUD about Obama's fake fascination with consumer fads and accept the fact that the gov't is in bed with private industry. Private industry loves nothing better than to intellectually bankrupt the masses with behavioral training and subliminal messages. Why? Because that gives them an uncontested means to consolidate power, therein ensuring technological, economic, and intellectual domination over the masses. In contrast to our current centralized top-down approach, evenly distributed resources, information, and technology are key to maintaining healthy decentralized infrastructures. If the elite want to maintain their domination, they do well suppress humanities access to said necessities. If the elite can invent some new more efficient way of suppressing and subjugating the population, of which they are only 0.01%, trust me, they will.
We are inexorably and irrevocably slaves to the system, which is, in-fact a scientific-technocracy(and has been for quite some time).
Excuse me. It's late. Fed was 97 years ago, not over 100.
Apple either hasn't been aware of political and social changes in the world over the last 20 years
Can you really blame them? MOST people are unaware of contemporary economic and social changes over the last 20 years. There seems to be no shortage of what people, despite their own best interest, fail to know or understand. For example, most people don't know that among many others corporations, Apple artificially inflates their market value by misrepresenting their risk. And that Apple's capital is actually worth half of its perceived value, along with most companies who directly or indirectly supported the incremental establishment of a parasitic shadow banking institution which has now compromised more than half of the WORLD market. But hey, Wall Street has never shown signs or publicly admitted the existence of a shadow banking system, so I guess that means I'm a whacko conspiracy theorist. Only when this parasite stops working in symbiosis with legitimate institutions and instead attacks its host in order to systematically consolidate power will people begin to believe the countless voices who warned against Wall St and the Fed to begin with(otherwise known as conspiracy theorists).
Oh well, I must be deranged to believe my eyes when I see the market spiral out of control, encountering practically no resistance, with such velocity that explosives must have been planted in the building..err I mean someone mistyped "b" instead of "m". Give me a break, this market short-circuiting "bug" was a staged event with which the bankers will leverage propagandized public opinion to steamroll over any semblance of free market, essentially dismantling U.S. sovereignty and leaving us, the American people, homeless on the continent our forefathers conquered.
Understand, the inception of the fed was over 100 years ago. Our economy has experienced relative stability during the course of most of that time. We gave the fed the right to artificially reduce interest rates, print fiat fake currency, and sell off massive portions of our debt to other nations as collateral. The cracks in the financial dam had accumulated en masse, though most were not aware of such weakness, the dam has COLLAPSED and the shadow banking system is EXPOSED. The same bankers who created this cluster fuck will swoop in and "punish the wicked"(buy small fish out) and consolidate the rest of the wealth. Meanwhile, the American and world populations believe that vengeance against the bankers will come in the form of "comprehensive financial reform." Again, while thats exactly the kind of reform we need, it is far from what we will get. The bankers are writing legislation to fix a problem they caused in the first place. Seriously, fool me once?
I have yet to see even -one- that adjusts the address bar so that I can link to a specific photo
Implementation of user-friendly URLs is not standardized much at all among web applications/servers. Building a reliable routing framework requires extensive knowledge of multiple disparate platform implementations. A small photo viewer application is not meant to provide a web platform implementation, but rather a framework for inclusion into your companies generally bigger and pre-existing platform. Simply building applications with rudimentary/standardized technology means some developers opt of the game entirely with the no-framework framework, relying primarily on automation and a thorough understanding of systems design to create elegant solutions for common application tasks. The game being played is sell your shit at any price, which in the industry sometimes translates to 1) intrusive DRM, 2) vendor lock-in, 3) traffic shaping, etc..
Reaching the point where the establishment accepts and adopts such methodologies would itself require magnanimous effort. In other words, instituting real transparency and accountability is nearly insurmountable considering the immense corruption already woven into corporations and the gov't. Systematically dismantling and reforming corrupt institutions is realistically decades, if not centuries, away. Like the parent mentioned, the expense of instituting such a system is tremendous. That in addition to manufacturing a favorable political climate is ludicrous. Not to mention the current establishments propensity towards violence, therein reducing any notion of true democracy or policy consensus to pure frivolity. Attempting to implement this given the current climate would most probably result in violent retaliation from the elite, barring a major catalyzing event(natural disaster/nuclear fallout/chuck norris dying/etc).
For Americans who can't grasp the idea of corporate relevancy and the disgusting lengths corporations go to maintain it; keep in mind that throughout the entirety of human history there has yet to be a single democratic or representative government that avoided succumbing to a domestic and/or foreign authoritarian imperialist influence. On another note, until large factions of the military adopt a strict doctrine of supporting the aforementioned kinds of reform(and/or the military decentralizes into regional militias), it is very unlikely we will see the masses wrenching control back from international banks and money institutions(our primary obstacles in achieving liberty atm)
Is it really that easy? Private trackers are just that, private. Getting an invite isn't exactly a trivial matter, and if it were, then it would be easy for snoopers to infiltrate and monitor.
Plone has anything but a friendly GUI, it's a nightmare to customize, its a HUGE resource hog and doesn't scale well at all.. among other things.
some may argue that Plone is actually a big and complex system
There are plenty of big and complex CMS's out there that aren't total pieces of crap. Plone isn't one of them. Run as far and as fast as you can from Plone, my friend.
I find this theory preposterous and a piss poor attempt to expose real human problems by superimposing dining plates on pictures of internet cafes.
Seriously, what makes the article author think we have any basis for understanding or drawing comparisons from super-intelligent, super-advanced sentient creatures who have never once concretely manifested themselves to us. There are a VERY few select group of humans throughout history which I'd even consider being super-intelligent, so we have very little, practically no basis of comparison. That is of course, unless you believed William Cooper, in which case you probably are an alien or a high-level operative of the NWO.
HTML5 video is already hampered by competing standards and this doesn't help.
As far as HTML5 video goes, it doesn't matter so much if the technically "best" codec gets used, so long as a single format is standardised to a large degree.
The success of this codec on the web is determined by how widely it's adopted by various disparate authoring platforms. It is likely that adoption is dependent on corporate collusion as much as it is consensus. And that as a result, a competing more robust codec will bite the dust, while it's dumbed-down stripped-down alternative claims wild success and dubs themselves "lord" for revolutionizing the web. Understand though, developer adoption is strictly responsible for a codec's success. Corporate agenda's simply manipulate developers and therein indirectly effect Google's profit margins.
However, a properly informed and pragmatic developer will generally use the best tool for the job. Sometimes the goal is shaky, but draconian time-constraints, bad management, and good marketing will perpetuate horrendously unmaintainable software's popularity. This trend and the resulting chaos are what causes corporations to participate in vendor lock-in and artificially inflate their products price-point. Their shit stinks, they know it, and in order to maintain corporate relevancy, they lie.
There is little consensus now because developers want robust and free, as they should. You can't get it until Google says "screw you guys" and gives away a codec, basically saying to current codec proprietors to get their heads out of their asses and evolve, otherwise face extinction.
Replying to myself. This is the same notion in establishment media prevalent in most corporate institutions. Manifesting itself through their desire to artificially manufacture economic or intellectual scarcity, this brand of trust essentially postulates their own value irregardless of supply and demand. Furthermore, their grossly misrepresented value is perceived as actual value due to regulation and therefore accounts for their phenomenal circulation. Do not confuse that perceived value with real redeeming quality because at the same time that same establishment is systematically perpetuating an anti-intellectual agenda by propagandizing disinformation designed to indoctrinate consumers with an insatiable parasitic worldview. The perpetuation of said agenda reduces the masses to malleable commodities destined for dependence on institutionalized corruption. That dependence is simply a means to an end, namely compliance with the establishment and the wholesale enslavement of mankind.
No you're right. It just so happens that one of the things you can reference with this advanced hyperlinking technology is a funnel to piss your money away.
i wish i could mod this up, if slightly inflammatory, it's still rather pertinent.
That show was great. It's too bad that it was too nerdy for the mainstream audiences that TechTV and now G4 are trying to attract. Now they're TV equivalent of 4chan, and even that comparison may be an insult to 4chan.
This is probably because nerds despise overt advertising and TV programs in general since with few exceptions they tend to be oriented towards lowest common denominator morons.
Get used to it because it's very profitable and the perpetrators are generally never accountable for their murderous ways.
I see the same old heavy client programmers who couldn't adapt to web programming.
This is partially true due to the fact that over the past 15 years the functionality available through the web platform has increased greatly and is approaching the level of traditional client applications. It's close, just not quite there. That said, while the web platform is usually excellent there are some mitigating factors hindering it's growth like the slow adoption and vendor lock-in. Considering the enormous improvements to the web platform there still is a substantial need for client applications even though most business applications could be implemented without it.
Security is a huge issue, a lot of shops simply don't want their applications exposed remotely, therein increasing the potential for an outside attack.
Performance is another. Until internet bandwidth reaches a point where it can support concurrency with enormous datasets and practically no latency then client applications will proliferate unabated.
Additionally, there are vast swathes of the population without broadband, or internet at all. Even if the bandwidth capacity increased and performance isn't an issue(server-side), we still need to establish a lot more very expensive infrastructure to plug people in.
Finally, there is the plain old issue of control. Many people don't wish to be beholden to hosting brokers and their ISP's since both are prone to draconian government meddling(namely traffic shaping or the enforcement of archaic IP laws).
While I agree the web platform is growing exponentially and it is very likely that overall adoption will exceed native applications in the near future, native applications aren't going away anytime soon. Additionally, since the fundamental concepts between both platforms tend to be more similar than different, a lot of native environments will and do support the stateless web where possible. IMO, eliminating the need for RAM and native processing is currently insurmountable.