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Mysterious Radio Station UVB-76 Goes Offline

leathered writes "Tinfoil hatters around the world are abuzz that UVB-76, the Russian shortwave radio station that has been broadcasting its monotonous tone almost uninterrupted since 1982, has suddenly gone offline. Of course no one knows what the significance of this is, but best brush up on your drills just in case."

336 comments

  1. Explanation: by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Funny
    Wiki:

    Another explanation for the constant buzzer is...radio waves are reflected from ionosphere inhomogeneities. Changes of an ionosphere state can be caused by solar geophysical or seismic events. This method involves comparing a continuous radio transmission which is reflected by the ionosphere with a stable basic generator. The continuously transmitted carrier frequency currently used for this research matches that of the Russian Buzzer (4.625 MHz).

    If the ionosphere can change state from seismic events, why couldn't seismic events be changed through manipulation of the ionosphere? It is indeed possible to control large-scale events with small-scale signals with phenomina such as resonance. What of all of the earthquakes which seem to hit the people we don't like, providing opportunities to rebuild and sieze their resources as part of the growing trend of disaster capitalism, the ultimate way to make money and spread influence without declaring war?

    And why is there no comparison to HAARP in that article?! From the HAARP wiki:

    The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) is an ionospheric research program jointly funded by the US Air Force, the US Navy, the University of Alaska and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).Its purpose is to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance purposes (such as missile detection)...The current working IRI was completed in 2007, and its prime contractor was BAE Advanced Technologies.

    Which is a big, big military industrial comglomerate.

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to change the state of my tinfoil hat into a pipe, so I can put some more weed into it and smoke out of it.

    1. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm hoping like hell this is an attempt at a joke because if it isn't...

      If the ionosphere can change state from seismic events, why couldn't seismic events be changed through manipulation of the ionosphere?

      If the direction of the sun relative to earth can change the amount of light in my bedroom, why couldn't the direction of the sun relative to earth be changed through the action of my light-switch?

      I could possibly tolerate the idea that HAARP could effect the weather, although the system has so many variables that I doubt any controlled effect could be created, but earthquakes? really?

    2. Re:Explanation: by danny_lehman · · Score: 5, Funny

      maybe the guy pushing the button every 1-1.3 seconds figured out he didn't need to..?

    3. Re:Explanation: by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This signal may well have been a check signal of some kind for various defense services - something like a dead man's grip but now it has been obsoleted. (At least we can hope that it has been)

      As long as there is a carrier there is no real problem. Of course there has had to be other channels too, so this was probably a last resort when/if all other means of communication did break down.

      All related to the M.A.D. doctrine. We can all hope that this is a sign that Russia no longer needs this transmitter because the warheads that were involved are no longer active or are rearranged to a setup where this is no longer necessary or useful.

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    4. Re:Explanation: by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it was M.A.D. and it wasn't no longer needed, we would probably already know. So, sleep easy tonight.

    5. Re:Explanation: by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, just like Project ELF for extremely low frequency communication with US submarines, tech moves on.
      Great, useful, in place for years and then superseded.
      Or the lack of a signal and a change to a numbers station means KGB and FSB sleepers are digging out their weapons caches ready for a Red Dawn :)
      Somewhere in the depths of Bolling Air Force Base a DIA nerd is searching scanned East Bloc documents for any hint to signal changes.
      Did the CIA buy the right documents back at the end of the cold war and will the DIA worker find them in time.

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    6. Re:Explanation: by inKubus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This reminds me a lot of my monitoring systems for servers. Of course, I use an active check for most stuff, but there are also passive checks that listen for a SNMP trap. Probably that's what this is. There's something important that someone wants to monitor. When it drops out, probably the monitoring device starts recording the message. We have something similar in the U.S. called the Emergency Broadcasting System. Interestingly, the EBS uses a non-automated system (at least it did when I was in radio). So basically you receive a signal from your upstream provider and then you send it out to your downstream people, and then whatever payload there is you send out on the air. It's all manual, the operator in the control room has to know how to do it. This sounds like something similar. The odd thing is the constant carrier. That can get expensive. So it must be something really important, or they use it for other calibrations or orientations.

      Obviously, it could be a spy thing also, it wouldn't be surprising at all. If it's stopped, it's not a big of a problem as if there were a lot of messages ;) Anyway, rest assured the NSA is hard at work and knows much more than you.

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    7. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the inhabitants on The Island found out how well that worked out. Or did they?

    8. Re:Explanation: by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      If the ionosphere can change state from seismic events, why couldn't seismic events be changed through manipulation of the ionosphere?

      It's in Wikipedia, it has to be true.

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    9. Re:Explanation: by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Or we'll all be nuked within seconds because now when it don't transmit longer all hell will break lose ;)

    10. Re:Explanation: by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you like some ELF and history I suggest that you go here: SK6SAQ

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    11. Re:Explanation: by pcolaman · · Score: 2, Funny

      You kids need to stop playing that fucking World of Warcraft game. There are no such thing as Elfs, whether they be night or blood varieties. But Orcs, as we all know, are real.

    12. Re:Explanation: by w0mprat · · Score: 3, Funny

      I could haarp on about this all day.

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    13. Re:Explanation: by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      You know, by switching that light switch, you are creating a tiny ripple in the Earth's momentum, which could, over a period of time, change the direction of the sun relative to the Earth.

      I suggest doing it continuously for 28 years and seeing if there are any measurable results.

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    14. Re:Explanation: by shaitand · · Score: 1

      'If the direction of the sun relative to earth can change the amount of light in my bedroom, why couldn't the direction of the sun relative to earth be changed through the action of my light-switch?'

      Sounds pretty reasonable. You turn on your switch, this causes photons to flood the room and bounce all over the place. These photons inevitably collide with the photons coming from the sun. This causes a sub-catacolonic reaction* in a neighboring universe which causes trans-unlilateral-multidimensional-orbital-resonance (TUMOR) that modifies the rate of solar flares (which are tiny partial movements of part of the sun).

      Next week I'll be back to explain how sweating causes global warming.

      * Just think of this as a colonic reaction in the rear of a universe.

    15. Re:Explanation: by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      This signal may well have been a check signal of some kind for various defense services

      If you had been listening back in 1982, just before the tone started, you would have heard, in Russian, "This is a test. This is only a test..."

      It just takes them a long time to test over there.

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    16. Re:Explanation: by lorg · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... not to mention trolls. Those guys are everywhere.

    17. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wasn't no longer needed

      In an effort to improve the internet, I've translated this for you:

      was needed

    18. Re:Explanation: by JamesP · · Score: 1

      It was a beacon to keep the aliens out...

      Now excuse me, I have to go to the supermarket, my tinfoil ran out...

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    19. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...until the big stopwatch on the wall began flashing some funny cyrillic symbols, and all his fillings were yanked out by the magnetism.

    20. Re:Explanation: by CFD339 · · Score: 1

      Naw, that would never happen. Remember, in Soviet Russia, the people warn the test process...

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    21. Re:Explanation: by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      Nah, I'm sure they know there might be technical troubles which would take out the broadcast for a while. But it it's not up and broadcasting 72 hours later? Time to turn the keys....

    22. Re:Explanation: by FlyByPC · · Score: 1

      ...but the Altmer, Bosmer, and Dunmer from Tamriel (The Elder Scrolls) are real, you insensitive clod!

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    23. Re:Explanation: by FlyByPC · · Score: 1

      No, no -- in Soviet Russia, missile defense systems test *YOU*!

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    24. Re:Explanation: by Thantik · · Score: 1

      We all know that trolls exist as well.

    25. Re:Explanation: by noidentity · · Score: 1

      If it was M.A.D. and it wasn't no longer needed, we would probably already know. So, sleep easy tonight.

      Or.... it happened, and this is some hellish afterlife that is exactly the same as before, even with the signal having been off and now turning back on.

    26. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      108 minutes.

    27. Re:Explanation: by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny
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    28. Re:Explanation: by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      Woooosh!

    29. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moreover, Trolls are very real, as we can see here in a constant basis.

    30. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me rewrite it for you in clearer english.

      "Changes of an ionosphere state can be caused by solar events (geophysical or seismic)"

      It's referring to sunquakes! Stick your uneducated conspiracy crap up your arse.

    31. Re:Explanation: by Nabeel_co · · Score: 1

      Did you know that at exactly 4:04 am GMT every morning, for exactly one millisecond (the first milisecond of the minute), the Internet around the world goes down. Proove me wrong. :D

    32. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a chicken, and the machine feeding the corn onto the button got jammed.

    33. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because the Elves went to the West and the time of man began! We need some Hobbit technology to help us on this one!

    34. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to get all serious, as some people don't appreciate just how amazing the internet is:

      Inter-HPC-system interconnects (i.e. the very fat low-latency pipes connecting supercomputers) have low double-digit millisecond latencies (significantly dependent on lightspeed/signalling limits these days - remember it takes ~ 133 milliseconds for a lightspeed signal to circle the earth), operate 24/7, and constitute part of the internet (in bandwidth terms, quite a major part).

      So you can be proved wrong by inspecting the [smokeping](http://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/) graphs for various [NRENs](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_research_and_education_network). A synchronised daily millisecond latency glitch across the whole thing, let alone an outage, *would be noticed*, we're talking a multiple-%-point impact on latency which would show up on summary graphs.

    35. Re:Explanation: by furrymitn · · Score: 1

      maybe, just maybe the guy has finally had it? They made his cubicle smaller and smaller. They took his red swingline. they moved him to the basement... and he finally just burnt the place down?

    36. Re:Explanation: by Nabeel_co · · Score: 1

      I see theory, and no proof. Plus, I just like to throw this line into conversation, and watch the reactions.

      On another note, 133 milliseconds for light to circle the earth?!?! That's depressingly slow. No, no, seriously. :|

    37. Re:Explanation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that's just great. Now I have to find another radio station to play in my elevator.

  2. The reason by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a conspiracy! Damn them! This means something, but WHAT COULD IT MEAN?

    "Maintenance"

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    1. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny, maybe, but not insightful. Of course, the station has undergone regular maintenance over its decades of service. The pattern of decreased power (but not cessation of the signal) is well documented.

    2. Re:The reason by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's funny because you conspiracy nuts think it means anything. "Oh no, a station that is easily monitored and does nothing useful went off the air! It clearly must be the precursor to something evil!"

      How about no.

    3. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's being reprogrammed to broadcast "4 8 15 16 23 42"

    4. Re:The reason by jabithew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have an alternate conspiracy. I reckon they're doing it for a laugh. Every now and then they stop it and broadcast gibberish, just to see what the reaction is. That sounds like the Russians I know.

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    5. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means the RIAA cease-and-desist notice finally reached them.

    6. Re:The reason by JustOK · · Score: 1

      that's the combination on my luggage!

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    7. Re:The reason by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      All intents and purposes. Not intensive purposes.

      Sure, but the set of all intents and purposes necessarily includes all intensive purposes.
      I'm just sayin'.

    8. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm, no. The russians built stuff in the old craftsman style. Which means.... rather than the highly organized and QA standards the US uses, quality was the hallmark of the individual skilled worker. Sure, when they had lots of people working at building lots of the same thing, quality varied widely based on the skill of the individual worker. But they all -tried- to build stuff to last. Much of what they built was expected to require little or no maintenance. Basic and sturdy would be the best description.

      It would not surprise me at all to find that a Russian station had been built to send a continuous signal that managed to stay up for several decades without any significant maintenance. It also would not surprise me at all to discover that when it had finally gone offline, the guy who built it had been dead for a decade or two, and they had no one in the entire country able to fix it. That's Russia in a nutshell.

    9. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't maybe could a lot of things...

      Maybe Windows BSODed on them, maybe the alien guy is on vacation and there was no temp to hire (good alien employees are such a pain to find) or maybe they reached the limit date for planet evacuation... who knows?

    10. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I thought that was the carrier signal they were using to coordinate thier attacks... like on Independence Day...

      Oh, wait... that was a movie... never mind...

    11. Re:The reason by leonardluen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i am not normally a conspiracy nut...but to be fair would a conspiracy nut realize they are one?...but i find it hard to believe that this station, which was on the air for nearly 30 years, and was undergoing regular maintenance (as detectable by the drop in transmitting power at regular intervals) wasn't serving some purpose. now do i think it was serving some evil purpose? probably not, but it appears someone was spending a significant time/effort/resources to keep this station on the air for about 30 years. so was this station useless? i doubt it, it very much must have been serving some sort of purpose to justify the expense of running it. so what was it doing? i don't know...its possible it could simply be doing some monitoring of remote equipment and they now have a data line connecting the equipment, or setup some microwave transmitters so no longer need the station.

    12. Re:The reason by melikamp · · Score: 3, Funny

      I grew up in Moscow, and I agree. This thing reminds me of the Diablo II chat gem.

    13. Re:The reason by dave420 · · Score: 1

      That's all fine and well, but until there is actual evidence of some nefarious scheme, to claim there is one (as conspiracy theorists usually do) is somewhat delusional. That's the problem most (reasonable) people have with conspiracy theorists - they don't have evidence of their theories, just wild paranoid guesses that suit whatever world-view they have (NWO, reptilians, aliens, whatever). They don't seem to get what critical thinking is, or why it's so important to learning.

    14. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where did that AC froth at the mouth about some sort of conspiracy going on? He pointed out that the station did go into low power mode for maintenance, probably to a secondary transmitter. Nothing conspiracy-related about it. Instead _you_ decided to froth at the mouth. Get over yourself, asshole. You sound like Glenn Beck and his prosecution complex. And he's also a conspiracy theorist.

      How about... sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk.

    15. Re:The reason by bonch · · Score: 1

      What posters here are claiming something evil is going to happen? Who are you even addressing in your comment?

    16. Re:The reason by gottebag · · Score: 1

      Perfect Gem Activated!

    17. Re:The reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, Radio listens to you.

    18. Re:The reason by Nesman64 · · Score: 1

      Gem Activated
      Gem Deactivated
      ...
      Perfect Gem Activated
      Gem Deactivated

      ...
      crap

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  3. Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Heard about this on 4chan's science board pretty much as soon as it happened. Couple people checked on it, and either it was only down for a very short time or it wasn't down at all, because it was up when people checked.

    Maybe it won't down [again?], I don't know. Has anyone thought to double-check this?

    1. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by cosm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heard about this on 4chan's science board

      Current events research. Your doing it wrong.

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    2. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by game+kid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your doing it wrong.

      ...

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    3. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by cosm · · Score: 1

      're

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    4. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, no... that's spelled correctly in the native language of 4chan.

    5. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't really "get" 4chan, do you?

    6. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      failchan nuff said

    7. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beats slashdot.

    8. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by mdenham · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Your doing it wrong.

      nigger nigger nigger nigger.

      Quiet, Weeajew Man.

    9. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by arth1 · · Score: 1

      No, no... that's spelled correctly in the native language of 4chan.

      That's a Moot point.

    10. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tits or GTFO

    11. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Codename+Dutchess · · Score: 1

      Inb4 barrel roll...

    12. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up.

    13. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by bonch · · Score: 1

      4chan's science board

      Welcome to the culmination of all those decades of effort to build the internet, folks.

    14. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful my fucking ass. Everyone is on 4chan. Saying seriously that nobody who spends any amount of time there cannot spell may be funny, but it's hardly goddam insightful. I really hope this comment comes up in meta.

    15. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Let me see if I can phrase this right...

      U mad?

    16. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rules 1 & 2, dude

    17. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only apply to raids noob

    18. Re:Heard about this on 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because /. being an Apple astroturfing stronghold is the CREAM of the internet, right.

  4. Article Quality. by cosm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the main article comes from a discussion board on a conspira-blog-forum. And the description of the station in question is from Wikipedia, followed by a YouTube video in the third link. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not questioning the journalistic capabilities of the submitters, but holy-jumping-jeebus can we get an article with some legitimate [CITATION NEEDED] please. Perhaps this one was a tongue-in-cheek submission facetiously posted for the TFH crowd.

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    1. Re:Article Quality. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even the venerable Cryprome implicitly endorses a conspira-wiki.

    2. Re:Article Quality. by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember, just because you're a paranoid psychotic nut job crank doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy.

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    3. Re:Article Quality. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Funny

      >but holy-jumping-jeebus can we get an article with some legitimate [CITATION NEEDED] please.

      In the 1980s the US was eager to test the resolve of the Soviet's glasnost policy of open relations with the West. A drunken Caspar Weinberger, the current Secretary of Defense, decided to ask the Soviets to work closely with experimental music artist Brian Eno after reading an article about him in the Post. Brian was supplied with the best drugs Iran/Contra could supply. After months of negotiations and late night stoner brain-storming sessions, Brian finally got the approval for his epic 10,000 year song which is to be broadcast by the Russians. The break from today was simply the start of the chorus.

      Shortly after the Soviets got revenge by allowing Yakov Smirfnoff passage into the US and then "losing" his paperwork for return.

    4. Re:Article Quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's always a conspiracy, until it's a scandal.

    5. Re:Article Quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God this sounds like a perfect entry for 'Soviet-American Relations' in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy :)

    6. Re:Article Quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LMAO! Best explanation I can think of. If only I had mod points.

    7. Re:Article Quality. by Vahokif · · Score: 4, Informative

      You never know, the Russian Woodpecker signal turned out to be a nuclear launch detection radar in Chernobyl.

    8. Re:Article Quality. by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      Write fiction!

    9. Re:Article Quality. by prionic6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sounds a bit like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Slow_As_Possible

      Basically, it is a short piece of music that is to be played as slow as possible. In the church where it is played, it is expected to last more then 600 years. Ironically, it started with a pause of 17 months.

    10. Re:Article Quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it isn't Eno, but the band Zoviet France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoviet_France

    11. Re:Article Quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UVB-76 is not the result of radar. It is most definitely a dead man switch. It has gone down for maintenance before. Sometimes a human voice will get on the station and repeat some numbers- probably performing some drill.

    12. Re:Article Quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The Venerable Cryptome publishes the following on the latest Bilderberg bash:

      There are sick and evil occultists running the Western World. They are power
      mad lunatics like something from a kid's cartoon with their fingers on the
      nuclear button! Armageddon is closer than you thought. Only God can save our
      souls from their clutches, at least that's my considered opinion - Tony

    13. Re:Article Quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (HAARP joke) In soviet russia, radio station tunes you!

    14. Re:Article Quality. by jonabbey · · Score: 1

      Got evidence?

    15. Re:Article Quality. by leathered · · Score: 1

      Perhaps this one was a tongue-in-cheek submission facetiously posted for the TFH crowd.

      That is the more likely explanation. There's also the possibility that the submitter was drunk.

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    16. Re:Article Quality. by bonch · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just supposed to be something fun to talk about on a Sunday. Lighten up.

    17. Re:Article Quality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck, they found us out!

      Apo pantos kakodaimanos!

  5. They're changing the format by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Funny

    Russian media says the station is switching to soft rock.

    1. Re:They're changing the format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boris and Ivan in the morning on 4625 AM

      ALL HITS

      ALL THE TIME

    2. Re:They're changing the format by jimmydevice · · Score: 5, Funny

      UVB-76 AM 4625 THE BUZZ! THE BEST BUZZ ALL THE TIME, SINCE 1982!!!

      28 Years is a hell of a long time to be stunting.

    3. Re:They're changing the format by cosm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Russian media says the station is switching to soft rock.

      It would be redundant. The uncreative repetition of top 40's these days is no different than "a buzzing sound that lasts 0.8 seconds, pausing for 1–1.3 seconds, and repeating 21–34 times per minute". Mainstream must all wear tinfoil hats, because they already took a page out of UVB-76's book.

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    4. Re:They're changing the format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but wait, has the corporate overlords bought up all the other stations broadcasting in the city so that all your radio media is exactly the same format?

      if so nothing to see, move along....

    5. Re:They're changing the format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I heard it was going to be Mexican radio.

    6. Re:They're changing the format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're on a Mexican radio, do do do.

    7. Re:They're changing the format by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      They've already taken over the US. Might as well go after Russia next.

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    8. Re:They're changing the format by angelwolf71885 · · Score: 0

      damn i was hopeful for smooth jazz or maybe Mozart

    9. Re:They're changing the format by angelwolf71885 · · Score: 0

      woe oh oh im on a Mexican radio BUZZ.....BUZZ....BUZZ....BUZZ

    10. Re:They're changing the format by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      They're so behind the times. They should know by now that video killed the radio star.

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    11. Re:They're changing the format by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      The uncreative repetition of top 40's these days is no different than "a buzzing sound that lasts 0.8 seconds, pausing for 1-1.3 seconds, and repeating 21-34 times per minute".

      Yeah, the video for that is *awesome*!

             

    12. Re:They're changing the format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've decided to ditch the short-wave and upgrade to a webcast -- going with the times and addressing a broader audience.

    13. Re:They're changing the format by JustOK · · Score: 1

      they're going to make a movie too.

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    14. Re:They're changing the format by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      28 years is a long time for anything electronic, maybe the transmitter burned out.

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  6. It's back up by jimmydevice · · Score: 4, Informative

    I dialed into 4625 KHz and I can hear the buzz, Guess it was just a maintenance down-period.

    1. Re:It's back up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Your equipment must be burning hot because 4625 KHz is a very fast rate of temperature increase.

    2. Re:It's back up by jimmydevice · · Score: 2, Informative

      My fat fingers, also it's gone again.

      Stupid IU!

    3. Re:It's back up by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its been slashdotted.

    4. Re:It's back up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just listened to 4625 kHz in Southern Finland with my portable shortwave receiver. I've heard the buzz signal earlier while scanning the frequencies but didn't really pay any attention to it. The signal is still there today, but they might have switched on SSB modulation, since it was much clearer when the radio was in SSB mode.

    5. Re:It's back up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      One interesting fact about UVB-76 is that the signal is broadcast through a microphone. At times other noises or conversations can be heard in the background. This would tend to imply that the signal is for monitoring something that makes that noise.

    6. Re:It's back up by jack2000 · · Score: 1

      You may be onto something.

    7. Re:It's back up by holmstar · · Score: 1

      Kind of sounds like a giant Tesla coil.

  7. ID4 by DigiShaman · · Score: 0

    It's a countdown to WAR! OMG, the Russians are coming, the RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!!

    j/k

    --
    Life is not for the lazy.
    1. Re:ID4 by jbell730 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, calm down, I'm sure it's got something to do with those pesky aliens.

    2. Re:ID4 by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 2, Informative
      Oh yes, it does...

      Transmission at Outpost 79

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    3. Re:ID4 by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Don't panic! Don't panic! Fix bayonets!

      They don't like it up 'em, you know.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  8. HE IS DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simple as that.

  9. Boxer Rebellion by Itninja · · Score: 2, Funny

    I man stepped into the boxing ring
    His name was Sock'em Dazer
    He took a look around and said...
    Where's my Occam's Razor?

    --
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    1. Re:Boxer Rebellion by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Burma-Shave

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  10. It's because of the end of Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    They found it really disappointing, and figured there was no reason to push their button every 2.5 seconds. They thought the numbers had to mean something for sure, but no, not really.

  11. All your ... by dkm · · Score: 1

    All your monotonous tones belong to us

    1. Re:All your ... by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      All your monotonous tones are belong to us

      FTFY

  12. Can anyone else smell cobalt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sky sure is blue this afternoon...

  13. Ever considered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    maybe the record finished?

  14. Obligatory by LordofEntropy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    In Soviet Russia, signal transmits you!

    Or something like that.

    --
    Entropy just isn't what it used to be.
    1. Re:Obligatory by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Naw, man. This one writes itself...

      In Soviet Russia, radio turns you off!

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
  15. A week or so after last episode of Lost? by feepness · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this is pretty obvious.

    1. Re:A week or so after last episode of Lost? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Uh how is this obvious? I'm not sure how a 28-year-old radio signal could have anything to do with a trendy pop psych type show like Lost.

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    2. Re:A week or so after last episode of Lost? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Were the transmissions in French saying:

      Iteration 17294530 : "Si qui que ce soit puisse entendre ceci, ils sont morts. Veuillez nous aider. Je vais essayer d'aller jusqu'au Rocher Noir. Il les a tués. Il les a tués tous."

      Iteration 17294531 : "Il est dehors. il est dehors et Brennan a pris les clés. Veuillez nous aider. Ils sont morts. Ils sont tous morts. Aidez-nous. Ils sont morts."

      Iteration 17294532 : "Il est dehors. Il est dehors et Brennan a pris les clés. Veuillez nous aider. Ils sont morts. Ils sont tous morts. Aidez-nous. Ils sont morts."

      Iteration 17294533 : "Ils sont tous morts. Aidez-nous. Ils sont morts. Si qui que ce soit puisse entendre ceci"

      Iteration 17294534 : "Il est dehors. Veuillez nous aider. Veuillez nous aider."

      Iteration 17294535 : "Si qui que ce soit puisse entendre ceci, je vais essayer d'aller jusqu'au Rocher Noir. Veuillez nous aider. Ils sont tous morts. Ils sont morts. Il les a tués. Ils les a tués tous. Je vais essayer d'aller jusqu'au Rocher Noir."

      From Lostpedia.

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  16. Viral Marketing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe this is just the longest viral marketing campaign ever. We'll soon find out about the game/movie ralated to this buzz... :P

  17. It was a countdown. by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

    It was a count down. Now the aliens will attack.

  18. At least WWV is still on the air by PatPending · · Score: 1
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    What one fool can do, another can. (Ancient Simian Proverb)
    1. Re: At least WWV is still on the air by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

      WWV? Did I miss WWIII and WWIV?

      Guess that's what happens when you spend too much time on Slashdot.

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    2. Re: At least WWV is still on the air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still ahead of me - I've only seen WWE and WWF. Still waiting for WWG to show up on the local 4625 KHz station.

    3. Re: At least WWV is still on the air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely you mean WW10?

    4. Re: At least WWV is still on the air by CrkHead · · Score: 1

      In an obvious effort to belittle the contributions of fighters in WWI and WWII, some polititians and commentators have decided to call the cold war WWIII and the War on Terror WWIV.

      The WWIII designation has gained enough use to be in Wikipedia. WoT as WWIV is still limited to the lunitic fringe.

    5. Re: At least WWV is still on the air by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You can still get WWIV, it's on Sourceforge now:
      http://wwiv.sourceforge.net/

  19. Related to possible MIRV testing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this has something to do with the light seen over Australia. Astronomers said it bared identical characteristics to Russia's new MIRV. If Russia is prepping to do more nuclear tests, especially live tests, it would make sense to disable a deadman's switch.... especially considering if it's incorporated into modern technology observing radioactive particles in the atmosphere.

    1. Re:Related to possible MIRV testing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Astronomers said it bared identical characteristics...

      to bare (past tense: bared) = to make bare, naked, exposed, etc.

      to bear (past tense: bore) = to carry, to have

      I believe you intended the latter.

      You're welcome.

    2. Re:Related to possible MIRV testing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct.

      Thank you.

    3. Re:Related to possible MIRV testing? by NiceGeek · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Related to possible MIRV testing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a lot of questions regarding that. It was never confirmed as the Falcon 9, and the time tables don't line up. The flight was only a little over 9min30sec, and the sightings were an hour after. That's in the same article. Hard to say it's absolutely the falcon 9

    5. Re:Related to possible MIRV testing? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      The flight was only a little over 9min30sec

      The flight went into orbit. Maybe the video went that long.

    6. Re:Related to possible MIRV testing? by Things_falling_apart · · Score: 1
    7. Re:Related to possible MIRV testing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, I was hoping for another Cold War.

  20. Don't worry... by n3umh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's still a freaky buzz on 4644kHz. And there's something that sounds like a movie ray gun on 4666.
    FOUR SIX SIX SIX
    Plenty of freaky shortwave left...

    1. Re:Don't worry... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      At 666kHz I can hear Dick Cheney breathing.
           

  21. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  22. Doomsday machine by PatPending · · Score: 2, Funny

    [discussing the Doomsday machine]

    President Merkin Muffley: How is it possible for this thing to be triggered automatically and at the same time impossible to untrigger?

    Dr. Strangelove: Mr. President, it is not only possible, it is essential. That is the whole idea of this machine, you know. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the FEAR to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision-making process which rules out human meddling, the Doomsday machine is terrifying and simple to understand... and completely credible and convincing.

    --
    What one fool can do, another can. (Ancient Simian Proverb)
    1. Re:Doomsday machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dr. Strangelove: Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?

      Ambassador de Sadesky: It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises.

  23. Re:Any confirmation on this? by n3umh · · Score: 1

    I can confirm I hear nothing on that frequency.... I doubt I should be able to hear a 10kW station near Moscow at 4625kHz this far after sunrise there though, so that's not saying much.

  24. Listen to the last words transmitted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If anyone here can understand German, take a listen and report back what it says!

    http://media.abovetopsecret.com/media/6950/UVB-76_06052010_2030_MP3/

    Fast-forward to the end... sounds like a news broadcast to me.

    1. Re:Listen to the last words transmitted by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Often the money for much needed repairs only with help of ?
      That is why it is from many Catholics ? partially annoying
      that next to the main house a chapel of 80 cubic
      Tone sounds like normal "BBC/PBS" type German news.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    2. Re:Listen to the last words transmitted by netsharc · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, WTF is that? It's German alright, sounds like a news broadcast, the lady also sounded like a familiar news-reader.

      [ ] saniert werden, erstmals [ ] Situation nur mit Hilfe von [ ] aufgebracht werden. Deshalb ist es fuer viele Katholiken besonders aergerlich, dass neben der Wohnheim auch eine eigene Kapelle von zirka achtzig Quadrat

      The last sentence says "Because of this, it is especially aggravating for many Catholics that next to the dorm building there is an own chapel with ca. 80 quadrat".

      So is the buzzer another radio with a dial, that when it stopped beeping somebody dialled the tuner to locate the beeps, and got a German radio station instead?

      --
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    3. Re:Listen to the last words transmitted by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      [...] dringend saniert werden. Oftmals kann das Geld für notwendige Reparaturen nur mit Hilfe von Fördervereinen aufgebracht werden. Deshalb ist es fuer viele Katholiken besonders ärgerlich, dass neben dem Wohnheim auch eine eigene Kapelle von zirka achtzig Quadrat--

      "[...] renovated urgently. Often, the money for neccessary repairs can only be raised through support associations. Because of this, it is especially aggravating for many Catholics that next to the dorm building, an own chapel of circa 80 square--"

      Yup, seems like they got some random German broadcast about an underfunded Catholic community in there. As for the last word; it's obviously truncated from "Quadratmeter" - "square meters".

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  25. Budget Problems by Old+Sparky · · Score: 1

    They didn't receive their stimulus check...

  26. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Utoxin · · Score: 1

    I just asked the folks at QRZ if anyone can confirm this. Hopefully someone there has good gear for checking on it.

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    http://www.tweeterdiet.com/ - My Diet Tracking Tool
  27. Re:In Soviet Russia... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    In Capitalist West you watch weather satellite orbits fail.
    In Soviet Russia BP oil expertise funds a new communications network for you.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  28. Maybe by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe someone just opened the electric bill...

    --
    This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
  29. Meanwhile...in no longer Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "So we cut the power to that computer over in the corner. What was it doing, no-longer Comrade..."

    "I don't know, fellow Capitalist, the guy who put it in drank himself to death"

    "Ah, nothing important then I'm sure"

  30. Probably signals to spies and whatnot by Bruha · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Russia and Iran ended a day of talks on Iran's nuclear program without any apparent breakthrough.

    That was Feb 21 2006

    Search Results

          1.
                CNN.com - President Bush's address to the United Nations ...
                Sep 12, 2002 ... Iraq's government openly praised the attacks of September 11.

    The transmission on Sept 12, 2002

    Dec 24 1997
    hmm

    American Charged With Spying Allowed to Leave Russia

    or

    Iran Holds Russian Aid Shipment Bound for Iraq

    My guess is that it relays messages to spies, and hopefully that's the end of it, and not as suggested a signal to that dead man system.

    Otherwise the countdown has begun.

    1. Re:Probably signals to spies and whatnot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dec. 24, 1997???

      Hello!!!! Christmas Eve!!! He was probably just notifying Boris, Roman, Olga, Mikhail, Anna, and Larisa that they won't be receiving any presents this year.

      Santa finds that it's best to wait until the night before to let them know. Less confrontation that way.

    2. Re:Probably signals to spies and whatnot by tokul · · Score: 1

      Hello!!!! Christmas Eve!!! He was probably just notifying Boris, Roman, Olga, Mikhail, Anna, and Larisa

      :) Russian Christmas is in Jan 7.

    3. Re:Probably signals to spies and whatnot by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      I feel sorry for the spies embedded somewhere in toofaristan using this antiquated system. Someone send them a linux laptop with Tor installed.

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    4. Re:Probably signals to spies and whatnot by Splab · · Score: 1

      So they waited a full year before sending information about the world trade centers?

    5. Re:Probably signals to spies and whatnot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any chance it has anything to do with this? Although probably it's just some maintenance issue...

    6. Re:Probably signals to spies and whatnot by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      One-way communication over radio with OTP encrypted messages is a lot safer than using Tor to access some service somewhere,

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    7. Re:Probably signals to spies and whatnot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Negative 12SEP2002 was the day President Bush stated the US would move on Iraq with or without UN support. It is also the day that Russia stated it would not be aiding in the assault on Iraq.

  31. What it means by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Of course no one knows what the significance of this is, but best brush up on your drills just in case.

    I know what it means: the guy who broadcast that frequency from his garage died. He was 41 when he started, it has been 28 years since he started, he died of congestive heart failure and liver disease at the age of 69, and his electricity was later shut off due to non-payment. Which just serves to prove my point: when something trivial happens, or ceases to happen, after 28 years, there is probably not a huge conspiracy involved. And Germans love David Hasselhoff.

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  32. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Mooga · · Score: 1

    Let us know. While everyone is saying it down, no one has really confirmed that it's true.

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  33. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Lije+Baley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come now, not a single hunk of wire laying around, no gutters, no bedsprings?

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  34. It's no mystery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The RIAA got them. The buzztone was already under copyright by Britteny Spears.

    1. Re:It's no mystery by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      Chances are, it's a power failure. The area reportedly had a significant storm yesterday. It's possible that the power failed and that they didn't have enough fuel or battery capacity or whatever to keep it running during an extended outage. That would also neatly explain why it reportedly came back and has reportedly died again.

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    2. Re:It's no mystery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone know how much power it takes to operate a station this size?

  35. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can. I can confirm it's true.

  36. Actually it usually does by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For one thing, you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong. They have an abysmal track record throughout history and in modern times. Well, with a trend like that, it is pretty safe to say that they'll continue to be wrong. Same sort of thing with any crackpot thing that has been wrong time and time again. I mean just because ESP has failed every test doesn't prove beyond any and all doubt that it doesn't exist in some form... But it gives really strong evidence of that fact, and thus makes it pretty safe to say that indeed it's BS.

    The other thing is that the people who are in to conspiracies seem to have extremely poor logic skills. They ignore obvious evidence, jump at tenuous connections, straight out make shit up, and place more faith in that which can't be proven than that which can. As such, the conclusions they draw are very likely wrong. When you use a bad logical process, your conclusion usually isn't right. That's just how things go. The scientific method, logical principles, and so on aren't random. It is the stuff that works reliably for separating truth from fiction. So when you fail to use it, well your results are probably incorrect.

    So yes, just because you are a paranoid, psychotic nut job who thinks there's a conspiracy probably DOES mean there isn't a conspiracy. If you bet against them, you'd make plenty of money.

    1. Re:Actually it usually does by B1oodAnge1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So yes, just because you are a paranoid, psychotic nut job who thinks there's a conspiracy probably DOES mean there isn't a conspiracy. If you bet against them, you'd make plenty of money.

      Spoken like a true conspirator.

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    2. Re:Actually it usually does by kronosopher · · Score: 1, Funny

      you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong [and] seem to have extremely poor logic skills

      Wrong, it's precisely because people have the ability to think logically that they don't believe misinformation promulgated by mainstream media and endeavor to discover the truth. A lot of times they are wrong, that's why it's called conspiracy "theory".

      The people who wish to avoid the light of day deliberately perpetuate mis/disinformation knowing full-well that doing so will disable any effort to expose them using scientific method(or any method for that matter). The fact is that conspiracy theorists have every right and should investigate when the real paranoid psychotic nutjobs attempt to conceal their murderous actions.

      If you bet against them, you'd make plenty of money.

      Oh yes, profit motive. That will fix everything.

    3. Re:Actually it usually does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conspiracy nuts are there because the ones who conspire placed them to divert attention from the true conspiracy.
      They are right in that there is a conspiracy but they ridicule the idea to a point nobody dares to say conspiracy without sounding crazy or nuts.

      Conspiracy nuts are the best weapon against anyone who realizes the true conspiracy.

    4. Re:Actually it usually does by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Has nothing to do with profit motive, just simple statistics. Supposing you could find a place that would give you even money on conspiracy theories, well you'd make a ton betting against them. Reason is because they are wrong all the time. It is just a way to illustrate the extremely bad track record.

      One of my favourite recent ones was that the US was cutting communications lines to Iran in preparation for an invasion due to the opening of the Oil Bourse. The media noticed that undersea cables were getting cut and reported on it, without reporting that this happens all the time and there are ships who do nothing but fix cable breaks. The conspiracy theorists on /. came out of the woodwork and said that this was a precursor to attack (the cuts were happening in the Mediterranean) and it was a "sure thing" that the US would invade shortly.

      Well, of course, that didn't happen. The cuts were repaired, life went on, and cables continue to get cut by various sources (careless ships, natural phenomena, etc) all the time and the media pays it no mind.

      It was a completely ridiculous theory, with no good evidence, yet it was a "fact" to the nuts, until it didn't happen. They of course never came out and admitted error or anything.

      So sorry, but you aren't convincing me by making vague references to "disinformation". Simple fact is that conspiracy nuts suck at logic. Their track record is abysmal. Thus, when they make a claim, my default position is to assume it is wrong.

    5. Re:Actually it usually does by DrugCheese · · Score: 1

      What does esp have to do with conspiracy? Early 1933 Jewish conspiracy theorists were right. Bernie Madoffs scheme made wall street conspiracy theorists right. In fact conspiracies are uncovered all the time throughout history - Et tu, Brute? So much in fact that most cultures have specific laws to deal with them, ironically labeled 'Conspiracy'.

      Just because you prefer to live in your fairytale world where nothing ever goes wrong and are spoon fed sugary truthiness does not make it reality for those of us living in the real world.

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    6. Re:Actually it usually does by takev · · Score: 4, Funny

      I real conspiracy theorist would say that the reason the US didn't invade right then was because they were exposed by slashdot and others and therefore aborted the invasion. In fact all those theories that didn't actually come true was all because of the theorists, so be happy that they exist.

    7. Re:Actually it usually does by BikeHelmet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For one thing, you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong. They have an abysmal track record throughout history and in modern times.

      That's because they aren't remembered as conspiracy nuts once they prove their case.

      And the ones that are nutty get a whole lot more attention.

    8. Re:Actually it usually does by w0mprat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a fallacious argument to assert that just because one has been wrong before one is therefore wrong now, without addressing the actual facts of the argument. It's a common tactic that cranks use themselves.

      Another nut job fallacy is.. Absence of evidence is not proof of absence. Well we've all heard that one. In reality absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence. Is it not that lack of evidence one was at the murder scene is indeed evidence one is not guilty?

      Oh and I do love the saying "correlation is not causation" often said here, which is where crackpot anti-logic spills over into the /. group think. Correlation is in fact a prerequisite of causation, certainly a lack of correlation is evidence against causation? Once possible correlations are eliminated this way, whatever remains is the best hypothesis.

      I love the argument skills of crackpot conspiracy theorists almost as much as the wild stories themselves. Logical fallacies are underrated.

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    9. Re:Actually it usually does by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For one thing, you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong.

      That's only because when a conspiracy is proven its no longer considered to be in the realm of "conspiracy nuts."

      I'm sure there are hundreds like that, I can think of a few off the top of my head - COINTELPRO, Watergate, Iran-Contra. Tuskegee experiments, Greek Wiretapping Scandal.

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    10. Re:Actually it usually does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always wrong != almost always wrong. And, it's fair to point out that some of the conspiracies are real, but the conspiracy nuts don't know when to stop. Supposing that the State of XYZ has some disappearing funds, and a couple conspiracists figure out that John, Jane, Jack, and Jane Doe are all related, and working in offices with control over state revenues. They draw (or leap to) conclusions that the four are in a conspiracy to defraud the state - and are eventually proven to be right. But, the conspiracy nuts don't stop there - they tack on outrageous reasons for the conspiracy, including devil worship, spying for Israel, collusion with little green men from space, or the ever popular Illuminati thing.

    11. Re:Actually it usually does by kronosopher · · Score: 1

      Simple fact is that conspiracy nuts suck at logic

      No, the simple fact is that MOST people suck at logic. When ANYone makes a claim, you should definitely assume it's wrong because most people are complete morons. Conspiracy theorists are not exempt from the overall lack of sophistication in society. Yes, there are idiots who practically believe everything they hear, but those people aren't limited to being conspiracy theorists. At least conspiracy theorists usually have a genuine, albeit flawed, desire for the truth.

      vague references to "disinformation"

      Seriously? You have to try very hard to lack awareness of the massive and totally corrupt government. The only thing that our corporate masters fear is public outcry. The primary way they avoid such outcry is using the mainstream media to perpetuate their propaganda and lies(ie mis/disinfo).

    12. Re:Actually it usually does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because our shadowy overlords have concocted elaborate conspiracies to discredit your so-called "conspiracy nuts." Duh.

    13. Re:Actually it usually does by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      Just because you are not paranoid does not mean that no-one is out to get you.

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    14. Re:Actually it usually does by dave420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nearly all of the "conspiracy theorists" I've spoken to online (including on Above Top Secret) aren't actually conspiracy theorists (akin to investigative journalists of days gone by), but seem to actually be paranoid fantasists. They don't have, or seem to require, actual evidence of a conspiracy before they will accept it as fact, and get rather upset if others don't believe it too.

    15. Re:Actually it usually does by Spacezilla · · Score: 1

      Is it not that lack of evidence one was at the murder scene is indeed evidence one is not guilty?

      So if I kill someone in their house and leave no evidence behind, I'm not guilty? Of course I am, even if it's not possible to prove it.

    16. Re:Actually it usually does by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Is it not that lack of evidence one was at the murder scene is indeed evidence one is not guilty?"

      No, it means there is no evidence either way. Not guilty (or non-existant) is the default position, evidence is required to falsify that position. "Absence of evidence is not proof of absence" is a true but narrow statement, what nujobs forget is that absensce of evidence also means they have nothing.

      The rest of your post is spot on.

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    17. Re:Actually it usually does by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If you keep proclaiming the end of the world, you're going to be right eventually.

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    18. Re:Actually it usually does by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      For one thing, you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong.

      That "watergate" thing was complete hogwash. And all those nutters who said the CIA was undermining democracies around the world? Such fools! Really smart people know that there never have been any conspiracies, ever: Reflexively calling people "nuts" and assuming insanity in all who talk of one specific subject is a sign of genius.

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    19. Re:Actually it usually does by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For one thing, you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong.

      That is a gross misrepresentation of the truth.

      The other thing is that the people who are in to conspiracies seem to have extremely poor logic skills.

      Not as poor as your logic skills:

      So yes, just because you are a paranoid, psychotic nut job who thinks there's a conspiracy probably DOES mean there isn't a conspiracy

      You appear to assert overall that because some people who think that there are conspiracies are paranoid and/or psychotic (nice ad hominem added on) that everyone who asserts their existence is a "nut job" but the truth is very much the opposite. If you think that numerous conspiracies that affect you are not in progress right now, you are forgetting the lessons of history. Our government has proven vulnerable to conspiracy time and time again. The best part of that statement is hat there's no nation in the world where you can't use it. Remember, if two people get together to bone one more person out of something, it's a conspiracy. But vast conspiracies have been uncovered time and time again. Skepticism is one thing, but you're engaging in a willful type of blindness, a kind of deliberate obtuseness which transcends into pure foolishness.

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    20. Re:Actually it usually does by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative

      Don't forget the biggest one, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was used to escalate our involvement in Vietnam and led to 50k Americans dead, and of course now turned out to be total bullshit.

      As for TFA it is probably just another form of numbers station, which aren't exactly big secrets. Hell I used to listen to them with my grandfather on his big Korean War military radio (I need to find some tubes for that old thing and break it out) and according to him it was pretty common knowledge those were for spy communication. It was one of those things that nobody with high enough clearance would confirm, but he would laugh and say it was one of those "We don't know WHAT that is, wink wink" kind of deals.

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    21. Re:Actually it usually does by caluml · · Score: 1

      $ diff comment sig Files comment and sig differ $

    22. Re:Actually it usually does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the biggest one, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was used to escalate our involvement in Vietnam and led to 50k Americans dead, and of course now turned out to be total bullshit.

      That is big one. But it is quite a stretch to call it the biggest one when there was this one.

    23. Re:Actually it usually does by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the simple fact is that MOST people suck at logic. When ANYone makes a claim, you should definitely assume it's wrong because most people are complete morons.

      You're not helping your case at all; you understand that, right?

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    24. Re:Actually it usually does by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the biggest one, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was used to escalate our involvement in Vietnam and led to 50k Americans dead, and of course now turned out to be total bullshit.

      There's a difference between "conspiracy" and "conspiracy theory". You can argue that the truth about that incident had been purposefully covered up, but where were the members of the general public standing on street corners or writing in newspapers with signs that said, "Gulf of Tonkin is a lie"?

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    25. Re:Actually it usually does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conspiracy theories on Slashdot are nothing new: Case in point:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=100369&cid=8553159

      Lesson: Whenever a poster says "Mark my words" in bold type, there's absolutely no chance that he'll admit that he's wrong when events don't go his way.

    26. Re:Actually it usually does by Reziac · · Score: 1

      As to UVB-76 (where do they get these names??), I asked a fella I figured would be in the know on this, and he said more than likely it's simply that the money to operate the station ran out.

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    27. Re:Actually it usually does by millennial · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between a conspiracy to commit fraud and a conspiracy to use a government research project to create earthquakes around the world or a conspiracy to fly planes into buildings and make people disappear to cover up the fact that it was a controlled demolition. I hope that's obvious to you.

      You're absolutely right; we're not living in a fantasy world. That also means that, despite our desire to the contrary, we're not members of an elite inner circle of people who know what's REALLY going on, who must use our knowledge to save everyone else.

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    28. Re:Actually it usually does by astar · · Score: 1

      I guess there a couple hundred causality models around. I have hardly bothered to study them, but I have read some glosses. Interestingly, causality often has to be artificially graphed into a TOE.

      Now I expect you use some sort of kinesthetic causality model and I do not. As it happens, as a partial result, you could figure I am more inclined to observe correlation is not causation. Oh well. But it does seem likely to me that your argument is based on a causality mode I reject. Yours looks to be pretty standard. Are you even able to state it well enough to actually defend it as say a general principle of the universe?

    29. Re:Actually it usually does by dave420 · · Score: 1

      No, a conspiracy theory is when people have evidence of various parts of a conspiracy, and then strive to put the missing pieces together. They have actual evidence. Nearly every single "conspiracy theory" I've seen online has absolutely no evidence behind it, just paranoia and a dangerously loose grasp of facts. The folks that discovered the Watergate scandal were true conspiracy theorists. People banging on about reptilians or the NWO are just lunatics. They have no evidence to convince others, yet somehow are magically convinced of it themselves - that is delusional.

    30. Re:Actually it usually does by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep. Hit this one on the head.

      Something I think the so called "conspiracy theorists are nuts" mentality is hurting is America's ability to accept evidence of boring conspiracies, or to not think much of them when they come out. So-and-so embezzled a million bucks with custom software? Meh. Such-and-such company has been stealing from the population for decades? Meh. The NSA/FBI/ATF/IRS/whatever has been with their funding that's illegal? Meh. Oh, but if there was evidence that the government has puppet Presidents, or something like that... people would be interested.

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    31. Re:Actually it usually does by Planx_Constant · · Score: 1

      You mean the way the media never reported on the harmful effects of tobacco smoke? Or the way that the BP oil spill has had no news coverage? How about the manner in which the 'mainstream media' has ignored the effects of global warming and failed to publicize the role of industry in carbon emissions?

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    32. Re:Actually it usually does by DrugCheese · · Score: 1

      Either way you look at 9/11 it was a conspiracy. The terrorists conspired, or the US government conspired. Fact is: it was a conspiracy. Ergo: Conspiracies happen.

      No, we're not members of an elite inner circle, we are just people. Who must use our knowledge to save everyone else ;)

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    33. Re:Actually it usually does by Courageous · · Score: 1

      It's a fallacious argument to assert that just because one has been wrong before one is therefore wrong now,...

      But it's not a fallacious argument to argue that if a source has been extremely unreliable in the past, that it is not a worthy investment of time or resource to evaluate it now.

      C//

    34. Re:Actually it usually does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus, when they make a claim, my default position is to assume it is wrong.

      That sounds a lot like what the conspiracy theorists say about people that don't agree with them. While I'm not saying they're right, sometimes the off-the-wall answer bears a nugget or two of truth. Is UVB-76 shutting down a sign of a Red Dawn scenario? I don't know. Probably not. Mostly because invading the U.S. is extremely difficult and would be, even for the Russians.

      But rejecting a group because they traditionally have a bad history of being illogical is just intellectually irresponsible. Don't be a conspiracy theorist about conspircay thoerists.

    35. Re:Actually it usually does by laron · · Score: 1

      For one thing, you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong.

      Others have already pointed out that the US government alone did some things that were worthy of a conspiracy theory, though I'm not sure if anybody even suspected a conspiracy there.
      Do you think it is already a conspiracy theory if a pacifist tells a free speech advocate "I think the DHS is infiltrating our organizations"? (Hint: he could be right)
      Also, a successful conspiracy leaves no (accessible) evidence and might even falsify evidence against its own existence.

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    36. Re:Actually it usually does by hitchhacker · · Score: 1

      Oh and I do love the saying "correlation is not causation" often said here, which is where crackpot anti-logic spills over into the /. group think. Correlation is in fact a prerequisite of causation, certainly a lack of correlation is evidence against causation?

      The actual saying goes "Correlation does not denote causation", which I hope you agree, makes more sense.

      -metric

    37. Re:Actually it usually does by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Since even a broken clock is right twice a day, you'd expect conspiracy theorists to be right once in a while. Unfortunately, their accuracy ranks up there with meteorologists and televangelists.

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    38. Re:Actually it usually does by kronosopher · · Score: 1

      I don't expect anyone to believe me. In-fact I encourage everyone to research things for themselves and not take my word for it.

    39. Re:Actually it usually does by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      Is it not that lack of evidence one was at the murder scene is indeed evidence one is not guilty?

      Exactly. Not guilty. Which is not the same as innocent. Not even close.

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    40. Re:Actually it usually does by Minwee · · Score: 1

      Nearly all of the "conspiracy theorists" I've spoken to online aren't actually conspiracy theorists, but seem to actually be paranoid fantasists.

      That's because the ones who really know what's going on know that you can't keep your mouth closed, and don't talk to you.

      Really, if you're going to try to keep up with conspiracy theorists you should learn to think like one. No matter how weird things get, there's always an explanation for everything that can be used to support your thesis.

    41. Re:Actually it usually does by pev · · Score: 2, Funny

      Any conspiracy that can be proven is a pretty rubbish conspiracy - it's in their nature that they need to be denyable! :-D

    42. Re:Actually it usually does by mhelander · · Score: 1

      Consider a totally unpredictable universe without causation. Any state in the universe will be completely uncorrelated to the next.

      Now imagine adding a mechanism - any mechanism that would work - which introduces some correlation into the universe, making it no longer totally unpredictable. For a computer simulated universe, adding the rule that state A has a somewhat higher than chance probability of being replaced by state B would be a sufficient example.

      Causation, as far as I can understand, is our word for such a mechanism (any mechanism that would work) - that is, causation is whatever introduces actual correlation. Correct or not?

    43. Re:Actually it usually does by mhelander · · Score: 1

      I don't agree that makes sense (although I'm certainly in favor of a correct quote).

      What, except a causal relationship, could sustain a correlation?

    44. Re:Actually it usually does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, random chance? Correlations pop up all the time with no underlying causation. (This is often a problem in bioinformatics, where you get fun raw data like expression for 144 000 areas in the genome, from a few hundred patients. Filtering the genuine causations from the false positives is a huge problem.)

      The idea is that the better the correlation, the more likely there is to be a causative link, but you would need infinite data for an absolute conclusion.
      And of course, you don't always know in which direction the link goes.

    45. Re:Actually it usually does by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Better hurry on getting those tubes. Supplies are limited. Operators are standing by.

      You might also need to replace the electrolytic caps - they love to dry out over time. Google for hints on restoring old radios - there are some tricks that you can use to diagnose issues without letting the magic smoke out.

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    46. Re:Actually it usually does by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Its not fair to call any of those conspiracies theories. If we accept those then anything the CIA does is a conspiracy. Those were either covert or just crimes. I don't think any of those start off with what we consider a conspiracy theory, namely a cause supported by a fringe minority to reveal the truth of an event. There was no fringe community telling us about Watergate for years, for example, it was simply leaked.

    47. Re:Actually it usually does by snadrus · · Score: 1

      Agreed, the apathy does no one any good. Where's the investigative branch of this governmental system, since complete stories are required for Democracy to work? I'm not seeing it from NewsCorp and no one trusts (or follows up) on bloggers.

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    48. Re:Actually it usually does by astar · · Score: 1

      You have a real emphasis on correlation and you talk about "correlation" and "real correlation" and I suspect the latter is hard to pin down. If you look at causality as a general concept in a hard science, pretty much all they want is the cause to happen before the result as far as correlation is concerned. Of course, they want lots of other things too. Perhaps the following question is in order: what discovery of a general principle of the universe had its origin in a statistical analysis? So I say wrong, really wrong.

    49. Re:Actually it usually does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article says the Aug 2nd attacks were real.

    50. Re:Actually it usually does by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      I think it's funny that you argue statistics, and then lump all "conspiracy nuts" into the same group, as if they got together to share and disseminate information. It implies an even less logical conspiracy than the one you refute. To suggest a track record for an undefined list of people is absurd.

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    51. Re:Actually it usually does by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      I don't think you need a fringe community on the scale of 911-truthers or the kennedy assination guys to qualify as a conspiracy theory. Its not like Watergate all came out at once, there was plenty of speculation from the first leak through the impeachment. Similarly the COINTELPRO stuff was widely speculated on until the details were made public. The greek phone tapping scandal is in the middle of that process - we definitely know it happened, we just don't know who did it for sure - we can be sure that least on of the theories around their identity is true, we just don't which theory it is yet.

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    52. Re:Actually it usually does by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      To be a conspiracy it needs to be accepted by a fringe minority, with little to no evidence, while a majority rejects it, with their own evidence. Again, those things are not conspiracies. They are covert intelligence actions. A conspiracy would be if in fact the moon landings were a hoax or if the Illuminati were running things.

      I guess someone could argue that all covert intelligence actions are defacto conspiracies, but that's weak sauce in my opinion and tough to defend.

    53. Re:Actually it usually does by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      To be a conspiracy it needs to be accepted by a fringe minority, with little to no evidence, while a majority rejects it, with their own evidence. Again, those things are not conspiracies. They are covert intelligence actions.

      No, they are not simply covert intelligence actions. They are covert intelligence (or agent provocateur) actions for which some evidence was available for a period of time before the majority of evidence became generally known. During the period between which some evidence was available and believed in by a 'fringe minority' (and disputed or otherwise ignored by the majority for lack of complete evidence) and the time in which the the full evidence became available they were conspiracy theories.

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    54. Re:Actually it usually does by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      Now you're just splitting hairs. Have some dignity.

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    55. Re:Actually it usually does by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what they want us to think.....

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    56. Re:Actually it usually does by Kilroy_here · · Score: 1

      Ahhh but you see that is exactly what "They" want you to think.

  37. No satellite imagery? by TheChicGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    The last sentence on http://sites.google.com/site/stationuvb76 states: "As of January 17, 2010 at the latest many available map viewing services that provide satellite imagery have the UVB-76 station darkened or removed entirely. Of interest to note is the fact that seemingly unrelated buildings in close proximity are also blacked out." I cannot find any verification yet, however. Weird.

    1. Re:No satellite imagery? by omni123 · · Score: 3, Informative
      http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=56.082778,37.089444(UVB-76)&ie=UTF8&ll=56.081568,37.089972&spn=0.014464,0.045404&z=15

      it's missing on Google Maps right now... that's actually pretty interesting. I'm not really the conspiracy type but definitely interesting.

      Bing has aerial photography that isn't really helpful..
      http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&cp=56.082778~37.089444&style=h&lvl=15&sp=Point.56.082778_37.089444_UVB-76___

      More sources at http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=UVB-76&params=56_4_58_N_37_5_22_E_type:landmark_region:RU

    2. Re:No satellite imagery? by omni123 · · Score: 1

      I'm having a bad day. It's clearly a giant cloud. :( A bunch of areas around Moscow are blacked out (down and to the right, as well).

    3. Re:No satellite imagery? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow... God is in on this too.

    4. Re:No satellite imagery? by jones_supa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I noticed it too. Abovetopsecret had this station information link posted which has a Google Maps thingy embedded. Mostly black when you zoom in, some faint borders can be seen though.

    5. Re:No satellite imagery? by equex · · Score: 1

      It's not actually missing. Zoom in and look, you can see a building where the marker is. The Black is a shadow from the cloud. Conspiracy solved!

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    6. Re:No satellite imagery? by PPH · · Score: 1

      What I find particularly disturbing: The Wikipedia satellite photo of this facility looks sort of like Bender.

      "Kill all humans."

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    7. Re:No satellite imagery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's blackened in that image due to the shadow of clouds. Viewing the same spot through Google Earth and using the historical imagery feature shows everything just fine on Oct 8, 2005 and Jul 4, 2005. Jul 15, 2009 just happened to have clouds in the area at the time.

    8. Re:No satellite imagery? by adolf · · Score: 1

      Fix your monitor, and you'll see it just fine.

    9. Re:No satellite imagery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Several sources don't have it blanked out, just coincidence that Google and Bing (the two most used, presumably) both ended up on cloudy days. At highest resolution, there's a couple of buildings there, one looks like it has a flame (refinery) coming out of a stack. There's also two interesting circular depressions in "front" of the main building (east side).

  38. Buzzer simulcast frequency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some odd noise on one of the buzzers old simulcast frequencies... 3877khz Very faint, but it's there. Various noise filters aren't doing much justice.

  39. Ionosperic sounder by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is clearly an ionospheric sounder, same as the numbers stations. These things are used during communications planning for a military exercise.

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    1. Re:Ionosperic sounder by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      This is clearly an ionospheric sounder, same as the numbers stations. These things are used during communications planning for a military exercise.

      Spies (illegals) love numbers stations ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_stations ) as well.

      I guess if I am traveling, I should leave my shortwave receiver at home. Otherwise, I might get my crotch lasered.

      Customs Agent: "Ah! A shortwave receiver, perfect for receiving instructions from your foreign controllers! We have a special interrogation ready for you!"

      Bond: "Do you expect me to talk?

      Goldfinger: "No, I expect you to die!"

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    2. Re:Ionosperic sounder by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      These things are used during communications planning for a military exercise.

      Well, if that's the case, perhaps they needed to replace it with one that would be more likely reliable in the near future.

      Hope not.

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  40. Povarovo, Russia (56458N 37522E) by omni123 · · Score: 1

    So um... Has anyone thought about going out there to ask what it's been doing for 28 years?

  41. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Comrade,

    Fear not- our transmitter is down but we have now regained contact with you.
    Message body follows:

    Schuka-4-7-1-2-9-4-0-2-Anna-Anna-Pavel-Larisa-Konstantin. Uliyana-9-3-3-8-0-2 Oksana-Pavel 9-3. 1-6-4-4-0-Tatiana

    0-0-0-0

  42. Well, at least this one is still up. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 3, Funny

    http://www.khaaan.com/

    I've lost track; how many years has Kirk been yodeling into the ether like that?

    -FL

  43. Oh noes! by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    The court subpoenaed my hard drive and RIAA lawyers representing the KGB found a compressed audio file of the station's entire broadcast history in my Kazaa folder.

  44. It's all Sealab by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Funny

    maybe Sealab really blew up for good this time.

  45. Sure by ElMiguel · · Score: 1
    For one thing, you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong.

    Or that's what you would like us to think.

  46. the last of the old-school nyetworks by ewertz · · Score: 0

    Relax... that was the last Russian Usenet feed shutting down -- the spawn of the Arpanet finally got 'em.
    Long live American technology!

  47. Spooky by aceofspades1217 · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is pretty spooky, I mean the conspiracy theories are kind of warranted considering this station's eerie history.

    Someone must have been funding a station that has lasted since 1982 and is powerful to be heard world wide. I have done a little bit of amateur radio and I know that in order to do that you need some serious power, a huge antenna, and quite a bit of constant maintenance. It is definitely not a stretch to think that this station was/is run by the Russian Government as at the very minimum for some sort of testing or maybe as an emergency broadcasting system during a disaster.

    However, I really doubt its part of the Dead Hand system. I would think they would use something more secure if the dead hand system was under automatic control. If there is any possibility that it is part of the Dead Hand system than the Dead Hand system is certainly a system that requires some sort of human intervention due to possibilities of interference, false positives, or someone over riding the system to send a the activation codes.

    Just my 2 cents, I am certainly no conspiracy theorist but it is always fun to think about the possibilities. There is plenty of stuff that we simply don't know about; however, I do hope that the some of the theories are real because than at least I would know that our government has a high enough level of competence to actually keep fool us in a significant way.

    1. Re:Spooky by f3rret · · Score: 1

      The Dead Hand system is not a Dr. Strangelove-type doomsday machine.
      Instead it is a system that allows launch authority to be transfered automatically to a secure location in case of a Decapitation Strike.

      As I understand it, the system is set up in such to monitor seismic sensors, radiation sensors and probably also visible light sensors for signs of a nuclear strike. If these sensors are tripped it then checks to see if the standard military/government communication lines are still operational; if it finds them broken then it will assume that nuclear war has broken out and launch authority will transfered to a secure location (A bunker under/near Moscow I think).

      The system can be triggered by accident (and most likely has been on at least one occasion) without triggering nuclear war.

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    2. Re:Spooky by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many of these mystery stations remain running for no better reason than that no order was ever received to shut them down??

      Kinda like the Netware 3.0 server still grinding away in a closet no one has opened for decades.

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    3. Re:Spooky by cirby · · Score: 1

      The Dead Hand system is not a Dr. Strangelove-type doomsday machine.

      Actually, it is just that sort of thing. The Dead Hand system is what's called a "fail deadly" system - one that's designed to activate on the loss of signal, along with certain positive things (radiation detection). It nearly went off a couple of times that we know of, and was only stopped in at least one case by someone disregarding the rules(!).

      It doesn't have the huge cobalt bombs that were part of the Strangelove plot, but the rest of the system is more than dangerous enough to make up for it.

    4. Re:Spooky by f3rret · · Score: 1

      From Wikipedia

      David Hoffman wrote on the semi-automatic nature of Dead Hand:

      And they [the Soviets] thought that they could help those leaders by creating an alternative system so that the leader could just press a button that would say: I delegate this to somebody else. I don't know if there are missiles coming or not. Somebody else decide.

      If that were the case, he [the Soviet leader] would flip on a system that would send a signal to a deep underground bunker in the shape of a globe where three duty officers sat. If there were real missiles and the Kremlin were hit and the Soviet leadership was wiped out, which is what they feared, those three guys in that deep underground bunker would have to decide whether to launch very small command rockets that would take off, fly across the huge vast territory of the Soviet Union and launch all their remaining missiles.

      Now, the Soviets had once thought about creating a fully automatic system. Sort of a machine, a doomsday machine, that would launch without any human action at all. When they drew that blueprint up and looked at it, they thought, you know, this is absolutely crazy.

      Which cites: http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=113579843 as its source.

      So while the Soviets (and by extension; the Russians) considered a system for automatically launching missiles and ordering bombers to strike, they decided against it for reasons which are hopefully obvious.

      That being said it is still a Fail-deadly system, in so far as it is designed to act as a countermeasure against a decapitation strike (that is a strike that takes out the regular command infrastructure), it achieves this by automatically transferring launch authority to "three guys in a bunker".

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  48. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not down, I just checked 4625 kHz in Finland and the buzz is there.

  49. Message finished by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe they finally finished typing out the message in morse code?

    I hear the translation was something like:

    Hi Mom! The camp counselors insist we learn to use ham radio to communicate with you. Hope this reaches you before you die. Love, Junior.

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  50. I hate the editors by guyminuslife · · Score: 3, Funny

    Before I read this, I had no idea this thing existed.

    Now, I am consumed with an overwhelming need to discover the reason for this transmission. I will not be able to rest until I have discovered the secret. This transmission is now the most important thing in my life.

    DAMN YOU!

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  51. lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some body forgot to push the button.

  52. ESP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The matter of ESP is wether you are open to it or not.

    How can you investigate something if you are not open to it? Well, for ESP it is almost impossible for reasons that are totally logical and explainable.

    You can EXPERIENCE ESP though, and I increasingle experience more and more of it. Especially with a girlfriend living in another city, you can experience it beyond any statistical doubt, and no it's not just a matter of training eachother to think the same either.

    Not everything can be tested rigorously though, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Actually, being a scientist doesn't entitle you to be a closed-minded prick..

    1. Re:ESP by millennial · · Score: 1

      "How can you investigate something if you are not open to it?" ... If it exists, you'll be able to investigate it whether you believe in it or not. The only things that only work when you believe in them are delusions.

      "Actually, being a scientist doesn't entitle you to be a closed-minded prick.."

      Believing in ESP doesn't make you open-minded; it makes you gullible.

      --
      I am scientifically inaccurate.
  53. Mysterious Transmission Halted by Mysund · · Score: 1

    It is obviously the Dharma Initiative, that is running out of funds.

    1. Re:Mysterious Transmission Halted by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

      Their AppleII finally broke..

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      US-UK-Israel: The real Axis of Evil
    2. Re:Mysterious Transmission Halted by discord5 · · Score: 1

      Their AppleII finally broke..

      That's ok, Sayid will fix it, he's not sure how long the batteries will last though.

  54. Duck and cover... by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    Assume the nuclear protection position: put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

    1. Re:Duck and cover... by PPH · · Score: 1

      Its the dead man switch on the Doomsday device.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  55. Who . . . by bedouin · · Score: 1

    Listens to (and often records) these stations non stop to know the 3 or 4 times in 20 years that something actually happened.

    1. Re:Who . . . by f3rret · · Score: 1

      Nerds of course.

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      Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
    2. Re:Who . . . by melikamp · · Score: 1

      They are the greatest heroes of them all.

    3. Re:Who . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Who listens to (and often records) these stations non stop to know the 3 or 4 times in 20 years that something actually happened.

      Software. Humans when the spectrum analysis of the raw signal indicates human voices. Doable with 80s technology.

  56. Conspiracy is just a word..... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ...to describe something that never happens.

  57. heh! so what,,, by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    did you hear that sample at wikipedia? what an annoying sound to be broadcasting over the air! as an avid shortwave listener am glad it is gone, i also like listening to pirate broadcasts (unlicensed radio) which broadcast with low power and are on the air for short periods of time so they are hard to catch but with a good radio & antenna and a little spare time it can be done, but shortwave listening is a love/hate relationship when it comes to trying to catch that elusive pirate broadcast, what i hate is when they do something lame like play music because DX SSB is scratchy with lighting crashes and static, tolerable for two-way communication or monologues or dialogs (voice) but terrible for music, and most of the time the same music i can find on a local FM broadcast station or your average music CD collection, i would rather hear something rare and interesting, informative & insightful.

    --
    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    1. Re:heh! so what,,, by zubiaur · · Score: 1

      Not offtopic, trollish, redundant or overated as most licenced stations, luckly they are some funny but underated ones.

  58. Desmond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess someone forgot to push the button every 108 minutes

  59. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, memes keep YOU at bay!

  60. SIMPLE SOLUTION by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now that the Russians are our friends...couldn't we just ask them? They might need our Space Cowboys help putting their Global Annihilation satellite back in proper orbit....and Clint Eastwood only has so many years left.

    1. Re:SIMPLE SOLUTION by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      now that the Russians are our friends...couldn't we just ask them? They might need our Space Cowboys help putting their Global Annihilation satellite back in proper orbit....and Clint Eastwood only has so many years left.

      Yeah, but they still haven't forgiven Eastwood for stealing that plane back in 1982.

      (Kids these days. Nowadays they just browse the web for cultural references.)

  61. just now on 4622u by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    i hear some voice communications, i can barely hear it, its down in the noise floor, but it is in there.

    spring time is a bad time for HF radio, all the thunderstorms make a mess out of the airwaves, especially on the lower half of the spectrum

    --
    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
  62. ECHELON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For one thing, you'll notice that the conspiracy nuts are, well, always wrong.

    That's only because when a conspiracy is proven its no longer considered to be in the realm of "conspiracy nuts."

    I'm sure there are hundreds like that, I can think of a few off the top of my head - COINTELPRO, Watergate, Iran-Contra. Tuskegee experiments, Greek Wiretapping Scandal.

    ECHELON:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_(signals_intelligence)

    1. Re:ECHELON by dave420 · · Score: 1

      That's not a conspiracy theory. That's a fact. That doesn't stop the loonies ascribing all sorts of scary spooky tales to what it does, but it's no massive secret.

    2. Re:ECHELON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a conspiracy theory. That's a fact. That doesn't stop the loonies ascribing all sorts of scary spooky tales to what it does, but it's no massive secret.

      It sure was a secret for many years and it still isn't officially acknowledged.
      People have been theorizing about it since at least the early 80s, probably longer.
      The only difference between a conspiracy theory and a conspiracy fact is that enough details have come out to convince most people.

    3. Re:ECHELON by dave420 · · Score: 1

      If the person had actual evidence of this place's existence, while it was not known, then they are a conspiracy theorist. If they just guessed that something like this was in the works, without any actual evidence to show so, and claimed that it definitely existed, they are a paranoid fantasist. There's a difference.

  63. lost by roman_mir · · Score: 0, Redundant

    crap, Desmond Hume must have left the building! We're fucked.

  64. HELLO?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was on the internet!

  65. Talk Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, in the West you give radio stations a buzz. But in Soviet Russia, radio stations buzz YOU!

  66. I Guess Somebody Moved the Coke Bottle. by PoorLenore · · Score: 1

    Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda...

  67. "offline" by N7DR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Radio transmitters do not go "offline". They go "off the air".

  68. Don't be fooled ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ...by the 1.3 second period modulation. This is the worlds slowest CW Morse code transmission. The last 'dit' lasted 28 years.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  69. Let's test it! by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lesson: Whenever a poster says "Mark my words" in bold type, there's absolutely no chance that he'll admit that he's wrong when events don't go his way.

    Mark my words, somebody will click on this link and regret it.

  70. Meanwhile on Xontox in the distant FU-422 Nebula by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Commander Zwirk: Still no answer from earth?
    Corporal Nyuk: No commander!
    Commander Zwirk: We have waited more than enough foofars for even the most primitive species, such as one based on burning oil for energy, to reply. It is time! Point the antenna array at another galaxy!
    Corporal Nyuk: Yes commander! It is done!

    Just a few seconds later, back on earth at SETI ...

    Astronoboss: WOW! We never plugged the antenna cable in when we built this sonofabitch! Do it now!
    Astronolackey: Done sir!
    Astronoboss: Nope. Shit - still nothing.

  71. Probability and Motivation by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Simple fact is that conspiracy nuts suck at logic. Their track record is abysmal. Thus, when they make a claim, my default position is to assume it is wrong.

    You assume their goal is to be right more often than wrong. That may not be true. Many "nuts" may accept the fact that each case is a long-shot, but tolerate long-shots to get at the few rare juicy nuggets of real conspiracies.

    You are comparing it to basketball, where each attempt has a roughly 45% chance of succeeding. However, it may be more like soccer, where the vast majority of goal attempts fail, yet games are won by that rare lucky hit. Despite the lower hit rate, it's still the most popular sport.

    Some enjoy those kind of ratios. That does not make them "irrational", for they are doing it for the emotional payoff, not as a day career. They would rather have rare but high-value hits than many hits of low value.

    Look at it this way: if you are a video gamer, even if you are better than everybody else you just get trophy and some money at best. If the conspiracy fan hits right, they can change the world, the actual politics and governments that run the world.
       

  72. Radio Nightmare, the Mental Goatse: by Tablizer · · Score: 1
  73. why a mystery? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

    Why not just triangulate the transmitter, then walk to the source, and say "hey there, what's all this then?"

    --
    A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
    1. Re:why a mystery? by PatPending · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never heard of cobalt thorium G.

      --
      What one fool can do, another can. (Ancient Simian Proverb)
    2. Re:why a mystery? by bonch · · Score: 1, Redundant
  74. It is on air, nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is on air, nothing to see here. Ionosphere propagation issues are to blame. As usual, slashdotters demoed how shallow they are.

  75. UVB-76 is online again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Just heard the buzzz.."on the phone". The source is Tzachi an experience Radio amateur from the center of Israel. Time in Israel 23:49

    Ami b.b

  76. Ummm it's still there guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk about jumping the gun, it's still there and as someone mentioned it was probably taken offline to replace a transmission line feeder or something got fried (it happens).
    I reckon this is the Military's (Russian or otherwise) equivalent to the HAM's WSPR Net (Weak Signal Propagation Reporter Network).

  77. Obviously... by stalky14 · · Score: 2, Funny

    They were bought by ClearChannel. They will return as a Classic Rock station playing Hotel California and Stairway To Heaven seven times a day.

  78. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Utoxin · · Score: 1

    Definitely up and running, although people say it's been a little inconsistent.

    --
    Matthew Walker
    http://www.tweeterdiet.com/ - My Diet Tracking Tool
  79. Get a life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just A major...it's simply a tuning tone for orchestras.

  80. Its a VLB system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like one bit every 28 years so far.

  81. Since when is Moron a language? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > No, no... that's spelled correctly in the native language of 4chan.

    I didn't know that Moron was a language these days?

    1. Re:Since when is Moron a language? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here.

  82. Public Transport Conspiracy by manaway · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also don't forget the American streetcar scandal, in which several corporations--including GM, Firestone, and Standard Oil (now Chevron/Exxon?)--were convicted in court of conspiracy. Ever wonder why you jump in your 2000+ pound car to travel in the US while pumping out greenhouse emissions, when Europe has trains and trolleys? It's because of a conspiracy.

    Also, it could be that the UVB-76 buzzer was designed to make people wonder what it did, to make big goofs write comments on slashdot /*looks at self*/, instead of pursuing more useful inquiries. Kind of like the slow release of JFK shooting materials to occupy those particular, uhhh, conspiracy theorists.

  83. Logical phallacy by incubbus13 · · Score: 1

    When you use a bad logical process, your conclusion usually isn't right. That's just how things go. The scientific method, logical principles, and so on aren't random. It is the stuff that works reliably for separating truth from fiction. So when you fail to use it, well your results are probably incorrect.

    Wow. You've obviously never had an argument with my girlfriend before. And lost.

    K.

  84. Re:GNAA COCK SIZE COMPARISON STUDY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >And it has been shown [salon.com] that gay men have larger cocks.

    Did Kinsey researchers actually measure the arched staffs of their subjects?

    "No," the Canadian admitted. "The subjects reported themselves, either by mailing their measurements in, or by reporting their size to an interviewer."

  85. http://twitter.com/search?q=%23shortwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://twitter.com/search?q=%23shortwave

    natalinoPT I don't know about you, but tonight, "The Buzzer" is buzzing on 4625 as usual. #shortwave

  86. New Management by rally2xs · · Score: 1

    (Inside joke) - NMCI simply took it over, that's all.

  87. Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this have anything to do with the end of the "Lost" series?

  88. Somewhere in Moscow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SOLDIER 1: "Hey Nikolai, how come this room is locked?"
    SOLDIER 2: "Always been that way. Since back in the USSR. Must have lost key."
    SOLDIER 1: [brandishing crowbar] "I have universal key right here."
    FX: Sound of thick metal door being pried open.
    SOLDIER 1: "Holy cats! It's a radio station."
    SOLDIER 2: "It's still on. What's it broadcasting?"
    SOLDIER 1: "Sounds like test signal."
    SOLDIER 2: "Huy boy. Kremlin not gonna be happy about this."
    FX: Sound of switch being thrown and electrical equipment powering down.
    SOLDIER 2: [IN PANIC] "Nikolai, you idiot! Now they now we find it. It's our fault."
    SOLDIER 1: "No problem. I just turn it back on...."
    FX: Sound of switch being thrown many times.
    SOLDIER 2: "You is in big trouble now."

  89. Fecal Plume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think someone tripped on the cord and pulled it out of the socket.

  90. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    I loaded up my apartment's gutters on 80m back in the early 90's and had phones ringing for miles. Oops!

    --
    Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.
  91. Russion newspaper story by diGitalRchitect · · Score: 1

    After nearly three decades the source of an annoying buzz emanating form the center of Russia has been determined. Radio operators at a secret military base have been broadcasting the buzz of their fluorescent lighting for nearly 30 years.. "We couldn't stand the blasted environment that they kept us working in." says an unnamed soldier. "We've been here since the friggin' Cold War listening to this crap, while the whole country changed around us. To protest we simply switched on the radio and let her go." As part of a cost saving effort by the Russian military, all military buildings are being converted to high efficiency lighting, replacing the original noisy ballasts with compact fluorescent canisters. "The lighting quality is still crap, but at least the noise is gone."

  92. Clearly used by spies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Transmission info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76:

    Transmission 1:
    At 21:58 GMT on December 24, 1997, the buzzing abruptly stopped to be replaced by a short series of beeps, and a male voice speaking Russian announced: "Ya — UVB-76. 18008. BROMAL: Boris, Roman, Olga, Mikhail, Anna, Larisa. 742, 799, 14."[5] The same message was repeated several times before the beep sequence repeated and the buzzer resumed.
    Result 1:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_27 - Protestant paramilitary leader Billy Wright is assassinated in Northern Ireland.

    Transmission 2:
    A similar voice message was broadcast on September 12, 2002, but with extreme distortion (possibly as a result of the source being too close to the microphone head) that rendered comprehension very difficult. This second voice broadcast has been partially translated as "UVB-76, UVB-76. 62691 Izafet 3693 8270."
    Result 2:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2 - The Beltway sniper attacks begin, extending over three weeks.

    Transmission 3:
    A third voice message was broadcast on February 21, 2006 at 7:57 GMT. (recording of the third voice transmission) Again, the speaking voice was highly distorted, but the message's content translates as: "75-59-75-59. 39-52-53-58. 5-5-2-5. Konstantin-1-9-0-9-0-8-9-8-Tatiana-Oksana-Anna-Elena-Pavel-Schuka. Konstantin 8-4. 9-7-5-5-9-Tatiana. Anna Larisa Uliyana-9-4-1-4-3-4-8."[6] These names are found in some Russian spelling alphabets, similar to the NATO phonetic alphabet.[7]
    Result 3:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_24 - Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo declares Proclamation 1017 placing the country in a state of emergency in attempt to subdue a possible military coup.

    Transmission 4:
    On June 6th, 2010, the broadcast goes offline.
    Result 4:
    PROFIT!!!

    This is iron-clad, irrefutable evidence of... (I forget. Oh well. Nevermind.)

    Sincerely,
    Conspiracy Nut

  93. UVB-76 is STILL ON THE AIR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm listening to it currently.

    Keep in mind, due to recent solar activity, signal propagation has been HORRIBLE. Im listening to it on a receiver out of Slovakia and the signal quality is wavering. It is currently NOT AUDIBLE in the US. However, verified, the radio never actually went off the air.

  94. Re:Any confirmation on this? by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

    That's freakin' awesome. I always wanted to try the couple miles or so of electric fence we had back on the farm, but never had a tuner back then.

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    Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
  95. UVB-76 Internet Relay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone whos interested of hearing realtime what it's all about, there is a temporary streaming feed from 900km NW of that station:
    http://uk3-pn.mixstream.net/8026.m3u