The thing is, "furriners" *didn't* take a lot of jobs. American companies did. The wealthy did. They automated processes. They outsourced to other countries so that they could lower the labour cost but still charge the same amount, maximizing their profits. So they could maximize their personal bank accounts at everyone else's expense.
But the American public has been brainwashed into looking for a convenient scapegoat like "foreigners" or "illegal aliens", and the companies that are actually at fault are happy to perpetuate that brainwashing cause it deflects people from being angry at *them*.
I've found the exact opposite. People with degrees not only are faster at picking up new things, they have more exposure to different paradigms and can adapt more easily, their critical thinking skills are better...
And most importantly, they learn best practices that help them avoid pitfalls down the road.
Although I have to ask... what do you mean by 'creatively solve problems'? I've seen a lot of code that was 'creative'. Typically it's been the worst, most unmaintainable code I've had to deal with. WAY too may people think that once they've solved the immediate problem at hand, they're done. That's not how software works.
The Y2K event should have demonstrated very clearly that code you write will be around for MUCH longer than you think, and somebody has to maintain that code. I don't want creatively solved problems. I want boringly solved problems with obvious, self-describing code that can be easily updated later on.
We do, because there is a very sizable portion of the population that does not have the basic critical thinking skills necessary to evaluate what he says and realize that he is, in fact, off his nut.
And this is a problem because you are correct. In an ideal world people should be able to get all the information and make up their own minds. Whenever I need to find out about current events, I look for multiple sources, and I prefer to go outside North America entirely to vet accuracy. But we don't live in that ideal world.
When people can't tell the difference between lies and truths, or worse, when they preferentially accept the lies over the truths because they like lies better (eg: Trumps hard core base), then those people create a control vacuum that other people/entities WILL exploit (eg: Info Wars, Russians, etc).
So it turns into a matter of trust, reputation, and track record. I despise Facebook with a passion, but I still would trust them more to filter news for accuracy than I would ever trust, say, Fox News or Info Wars. At least Facebook pays lip service to reducing "fake news". In comparison, multiple studies have demonstrated, for example, that Fox news viewers are overwhelmingly the least informed, and possibly even less so than people who don't watch news at all.
So after years of Microsoft trying to force their stupid store down people's throats, they're just going to shutter it and screw people out of their money?
This is an important warning for people regarding how Microsoft operates. I hadn't planned on using any Microsoft store anyway (Microsoft has a long and cherished history of not supporting their non-core products), but this is just more evidence that Microsoft is no different than an abusive boy/girlfriend. They claim to have changed, but they really haven't.
As soon as I read the report, I immediately wondered if a class action lawsuit would happen. I would love to see these tech companies get nailed against the wall for their obnoxious privacy abuses, especially in an age where info crimes are skyrocketing.
The only thing I'm not sure about... don't you have to demonstrate some kind of harm or injury? How would this work?
Well, I have to say that I'm shocked.. SHOCKED! (Well, not that shocked) by this report.
When you are actively prevented from owning practically anything (From books, all the way to homes), it's hard not to be cynical about capitalism.
Capitalism means nothing when you are not allowed to have capital. The US is becoming (or in may cases already has become) everything it hated about communism.
The fact that a sizable portion of the population actually loves Russia is very telling all in itself.
Now that it's too late, we're starting to witness the results first hand, and there's no way to mitigate it without 100x the effort than it would have taken before (assuming it even CAN be mitigated...), what better time to accept that it's actually happening?
Based on what you're saying, it sounds like this is actually in some ways a good thing. The corporate environment is shockingly unhealthy, and benefits the bullies, loudmouths and narcissists.
Rather than poo pooing this as something that should be done because women didn't play the game to the same level of insanity as it currently is, this should be seen as the thin wedge of a desperately needed culture change.
In other words, Apple is trying to push people into artificially inflating prices for software in order to increase profits. Sounds like it's time for a gov't investigation of Apple.
First you say "Forget Trump" and then you start spewing the exact propoganda that Trump is spewing.
The fact of the matter is that the US has been haranguing it's allies for decades. NAFTA is a perfect example. That was a US led agreement, and the US got the lions share of the benefits from that. But now Trump is whining that it's an "unfair deal". Hell, here in Canada we are getting screwed over by that agreement, paying out god knows how many millions of dollars to US companies because our environmental laws get in the way of US profits.
The only reason anyone demands that the US "sacrifices for the international community" is because the US is directly responsible for a huge swath of the problems around the world. And when there isn't a problem, US foreign policy makes one.
So spare us the bullshit. Literally NO ONE outside the US is buying.
There are bad programmers no matter where you go. It's a matter of degree.
The less "accessible" a language is, the less likely you're going to run into people (I refuse to call them programmers) who will vomit some crap into a text editor and think they're the Rembrandt of programming.
It's one of the reasons why I prefer strongly typed languages and always will. That, plus other aspects of languages that encourage strong typing, require a higher level of skill just to get off the ground.
Languages like PHP and Javascript are *too* easy, and gives people a false sense of competence when they manage to regurgitate some crap and it vaguely resembles what they were hoping for. The Dunning-Kruger principle applies strongly in this case. Just cause you manage to figure out how to make your code produce a certain result, in no way means you actually did it right, or securely.
If you need proof of this, just look at the skyrocketing incidents of security issues popping up in latest generation software. Look at how breathtakingly inefficient and bloated current software is. (The Facebook iOS app, plus their Messenger app, clock in at almost 1 freaking GIGAbyte).
Again, just cause you're using a more complex language doesn't necessarily mean you will be free of idiocy. For example, I was once looking at Java code and the bonehead iterated through a hashmap to find a desired value. But generally speaking, the incidence of such things is relatively less.
I was specifically buying the 2015s for our workplace for exactly that reason. Now that they've discontinued them, I'm either going to have to look aftermarket, or people are going to have to have a VERY good reason to 'need' a macbook.
There are actually a number of reasons, but it basically bois down to because OS X is as closest we've ever gotten to "Linux on the Desktop". I get to enjoy my bash prompt and OSS software (eg: homebrew) and still get to use Microsoft Office and Adobe if I need them.
Their hardware also used to be really good (circa 2010 give or take). But that's gone to shit now, so the only thing going for them is OSX. Despite the strides that the hackintosh community have made, using a hackintosh still feels too much like walking on egg shells, so if you have disposable income and lack of time, then unfortunately you're still better off just buying their crap hardware.
I'm still using a 2010 MBP at home as my main workhorse cause I was able to upgrade it to 16GB and 1TB SSD. Buying an equivalent MBP today would cost me 5 grand up front cause everything is a toaster now. Yeah I don't think so.
I could have sworn there was a story just a few days ago that said that the new keyboards are quieter but do not fix the flaws that make them failure-prone.
Could you describe some of the problems you've run into? I've been steadily migrating all our many dozens of VMs to Centos 7 and I can't say that I've run into one single problem that was caused by systemd.
I've had far more problems getting sssd working right than I have systemd.
You're implying that people have unreasonable requirements. Nobody is asking for anything unreasonable.
USB are still actively used. Hell, Apple still includes USB3 with their own iPhones for Pete's sake! Apple themselves are literally selling flagship products that cannot be connected to other flagship products Apple sells, unless you buy additional accessories.
HDMI is still an active standard that is being updated. Hell, HDMI will long outlive the next several generations of laptops. I don't know about you but every single projector and television I've seen in the last several years include HDMI. Not one single device supports USB-C/TB3.
Ethernet is still a very important and active standard. There are many situations where wifi is simply not an option, and forcing people to go Wifi only is just dumb.
Other manufacturers don't seem to have even the slightest difficulty including these additional ports in their machines. Apple's refusal to include them boils down to exactly one thing: greed. They know they have their customers over a barrel and they can max out their dongle revenue.
Apple is doing their damndest to make themselves irrelevant to anyone other than the browsing facebook at starbucks crowd.
Damned straight there was demand. Their 2015 unit was the last one that was actually suitable for general use. Whenever we needed to get a MBP, that's what I would buy. I bought one 2016 model and the person was seriously unimpressed with it.
In fact, I don't know one single person that is actually happy with the 2016+ models. One person I know bought one, and then sold it again 3 months later cause they couldn't stand it anymore.
The lack of useful ports is infuriating. Whoever came up with that idiotic keyboard design should be tarred, feathered, and shot. These machines are now completely unupgradable, forcing you to max out your purchase up front since it's hard to predict what your usage will be like 3 years down the road. The battery is not only not replaceable, but it's not even serviceable outside of a factory anymore so if you need your battery replaced you're out a laptop for several weeks.
Apple's lineup has become f__king brain damaged right across the board and, as another poster has already said, Apple now produces not one single product that I would want to buy.
The only reason Apple is even a viable option is cause Microsoft has turned Windows 10 into a complete shitshow. At least with Apple, I can actually control when updates occur AND be reasonably confident that an update won't brick my machine.
Blah blah blah old tech bad blah blah blah new tech good blah blah blah. Oh look, a company that sells a SAAS service says that old tech is bad and new tech is good!
This is such a pathetic self-serving refrain and I am SO sick of hearing it.
"Old" tech does *not* hold you back. Generally speaking, it never has, and it never will.
What *will* hold you back? Poor management will hold you back. Badly implemented technology that leaves you with a big pile of technical debt will hold you back. Hiring people based on buzzword bingo will hold you back.
I know companies who, for example, went all in on Hadoop because it was "new" and "cool" and "let you slice and dice massive amounts of data data with ease". (Their entire dataset was less than 1TB) Less than a year later, and the entire effort has been discarded because the effort required just to maintain the thing was overwhelming compared to the value they were actually getting out of it. They were able to accomplish what they wanted with much less effort using a single simple instance of SQL Server.
The current culture of treating with disdain anything older than 6 months has to be one of the most profoundly idiotic notions to have ever come out of the computer industry. We have become fans of reinventing the wheel over and over, without so much as once thinking about whether there is even a benefit to the effort.
It's one thing to introduce a new technology for realistic, practical reasons, such as you simply don't have the manpower to implement said thing with what you already have. But do NOT just spew junk self-serving surveys that blanket says "you gotta throw out what you got and get this new shiny" because that's a lie and you know it.
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The thing is, "furriners" *didn't* take a lot of jobs. American companies did. The wealthy did. They automated processes. They outsourced to other countries so that they could lower the labour cost but still charge the same amount, maximizing their profits. So they could maximize their personal bank accounts at everyone else's expense.
But the American public has been brainwashed into looking for a convenient scapegoat like "foreigners" or "illegal aliens", and the companies that are actually at fault are happy to perpetuate that brainwashing cause it deflects people from being angry at *them*.
Congratulations on missing the point so completely that you'd need a telescope to find it.
You are exactly the kind of person my post is talking about.
I've found the exact opposite. People with degrees not only are faster at picking up new things, they have more exposure to different paradigms and can adapt more easily, their critical thinking skills are better...
And most importantly, they learn best practices that help them avoid pitfalls down the road.
Although I have to ask... what do you mean by 'creatively solve problems'? I've seen a lot of code that was 'creative'. Typically it's been the worst, most unmaintainable code I've had to deal with. WAY too may people think that once they've solved the immediate problem at hand, they're done. That's not how software works.
The Y2K event should have demonstrated very clearly that code you write will be around for MUCH longer than you think, and somebody has to maintain that code. I don't want creatively solved problems. I want boringly solved problems with obvious, self-describing code that can be easily updated later on.
We do, because there is a very sizable portion of the population that does not have the basic critical thinking skills necessary to evaluate what he says and realize that he is, in fact, off his nut.
And this is a problem because you are correct. In an ideal world people should be able to get all the information and make up their own minds. Whenever I need to find out about current events, I look for multiple sources, and I prefer to go outside North America entirely to vet accuracy. But we don't live in that ideal world.
When people can't tell the difference between lies and truths, or worse, when they preferentially accept the lies over the truths because they like lies better (eg: Trumps hard core base), then those people create a control vacuum that other people/entities WILL exploit (eg: Info Wars, Russians, etc).
So it turns into a matter of trust, reputation, and track record. I despise Facebook with a passion, but I still would trust them more to filter news for accuracy than I would ever trust, say, Fox News or Info Wars. At least Facebook pays lip service to reducing "fake news". In comparison, multiple studies have demonstrated, for example, that Fox news viewers are overwhelmingly the least informed, and possibly even less so than people who don't watch news at all.
So after years of Microsoft trying to force their stupid store down people's throats, they're just going to shutter it and screw people out of their money?
This is an important warning for people regarding how Microsoft operates. I hadn't planned on using any Microsoft store anyway (Microsoft has a long and cherished history of not supporting their non-core products), but this is just more evidence that Microsoft is no different than an abusive boy/girlfriend. They claim to have changed, but they really haven't.
As soon as I read the report, I immediately wondered if a class action lawsuit would happen. I would love to see these tech companies get nailed against the wall for their obnoxious privacy abuses, especially in an age where info crimes are skyrocketing.
The only thing I'm not sure about... don't you have to demonstrate some kind of harm or injury? How would this work?
Well, I have to say that I'm shocked.. SHOCKED! (Well, not that shocked) by this report.
When you are actively prevented from owning practically anything (From books, all the way to homes), it's hard not to be cynical about capitalism.
Capitalism means nothing when you are not allowed to have capital. The US is becoming (or in may cases already has become) everything it hated about communism.
The fact that a sizable portion of the population actually loves Russia is very telling all in itself.
Now that it's too late, we're starting to witness the results first hand, and there's no way to mitigate it without 100x the effort than it would have taken before (assuming it even CAN be mitigated...), what better time to accept that it's actually happening?
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Someone upvote this funny.
Oh wait, you're serious?
Based on what you're saying, it sounds like this is actually in some ways a good thing. The corporate environment is shockingly unhealthy, and benefits the bullies, loudmouths and narcissists.
Rather than poo pooing this as something that should be done because women didn't play the game to the same level of insanity as it currently is, this should be seen as the thin wedge of a desperately needed culture change.
In other words, Apple is trying to push people into artificially inflating prices for software in order to increase profits. Sounds like it's time for a gov't investigation of Apple.
First you say "Forget Trump" and then you start spewing the exact propoganda that Trump is spewing.
The fact of the matter is that the US has been haranguing it's allies for decades. NAFTA is a perfect example. That was a US led agreement, and the US got the lions share of the benefits from that. But now Trump is whining that it's an "unfair deal". Hell, here in Canada we are getting screwed over by that agreement, paying out god knows how many millions of dollars to US companies because our environmental laws get in the way of US profits.
The only reason anyone demands that the US "sacrifices for the international community" is because the US is directly responsible for a huge swath of the problems around the world. And when there isn't a problem, US foreign policy makes one.
So spare us the bullshit. Literally NO ONE outside the US is buying.
Are there any mitigations that we can perform to limit this behaviour?
For example, I've been reading about the Blackberry Key2 and it's DTEK software. Can it prevent this kind of shenanigans?
Exactly, the US government is expressly empowered by the people to act for the people, in specific ways. We don't have the Divine Right of Kings here.
At this point, I'm pretty sure that that's exactly what politicians think now. Especially the career ones.
There are bad programmers no matter where you go. It's a matter of degree.
The less "accessible" a language is, the less likely you're going to run into people (I refuse to call them programmers) who will vomit some crap into a text editor and think they're the Rembrandt of programming.
It's one of the reasons why I prefer strongly typed languages and always will. That, plus other aspects of languages that encourage strong typing, require a higher level of skill just to get off the ground.
Languages like PHP and Javascript are *too* easy, and gives people a false sense of competence when they manage to regurgitate some crap and it vaguely resembles what they were hoping for. The Dunning-Kruger principle applies strongly in this case. Just cause you manage to figure out how to make your code produce a certain result, in no way means you actually did it right, or securely.
If you need proof of this, just look at the skyrocketing incidents of security issues popping up in latest generation software. Look at how breathtakingly inefficient and bloated current software is. (The Facebook iOS app, plus their Messenger app, clock in at almost 1 freaking GIGAbyte).
Again, just cause you're using a more complex language doesn't necessarily mean you will be free of idiocy. For example, I was once looking at Java code and the bonehead iterated through a hashmap to find a desired value. But generally speaking, the incidence of such things is relatively less.
First Pai is doing everything he can to help the merger go forward, and now this happens.
I'm curious as to what has changed. I have great difficulty believing that Pai had a sudden outbreak of common sense.
I was specifically buying the 2015s for our workplace for exactly that reason. Now that they've discontinued them, I'm either going to have to look aftermarket, or people are going to have to have a VERY good reason to 'need' a macbook.
There are actually a number of reasons, but it basically bois down to because OS X is as closest we've ever gotten to "Linux on the Desktop". I get to enjoy my bash prompt and OSS software (eg: homebrew) and still get to use Microsoft Office and Adobe if I need them.
Their hardware also used to be really good (circa 2010 give or take). But that's gone to shit now, so the only thing going for them is OSX. Despite the strides that the hackintosh community have made, using a hackintosh still feels too much like walking on egg shells, so if you have disposable income and lack of time, then unfortunately you're still better off just buying their crap hardware.
I'm still using a 2010 MBP at home as my main workhorse cause I was able to upgrade it to 16GB and 1TB SSD. Buying an equivalent MBP today would cost me 5 grand up front cause everything is a toaster now. Yeah I don't think so.
I could have sworn there was a story just a few days ago that said that the new keyboards are quieter but do not fix the flaws that make them failure-prone.
https://www.techradar.com/news...
So why are people suddenly saying that the new keyboards fix the problem?
Some companies went so far as to roll their own Hadoop deployment on commodity hardware and storage
We tried doing it from scratch as a learning exercise while building up expertise. Our conclusion?
Don't.
Could you describe some of the problems you've run into? I've been steadily migrating all our many dozens of VMs to Centos 7 and I can't say that I've run into one single problem that was caused by systemd.
I've had far more problems getting sssd working right than I have systemd.
How will I see what people ate for lunch?
You're implying that people have unreasonable requirements. Nobody is asking for anything unreasonable.
USB are still actively used. Hell, Apple still includes USB3 with their own iPhones for Pete's sake! Apple themselves are literally selling flagship products that cannot be connected to other flagship products Apple sells, unless you buy additional accessories.
HDMI is still an active standard that is being updated. Hell, HDMI will long outlive the next several generations of laptops. I don't know about you but every single projector and television I've seen in the last several years include HDMI. Not one single device supports USB-C/TB3.
Ethernet is still a very important and active standard. There are many situations where wifi is simply not an option, and forcing people to go Wifi only is just dumb.
Other manufacturers don't seem to have even the slightest difficulty including these additional ports in their machines. Apple's refusal to include them boils down to exactly one thing: greed. They know they have their customers over a barrel and they can max out their dongle revenue.
Apple is doing their damndest to make themselves irrelevant to anyone other than the browsing facebook at starbucks crowd.
Damned straight there was demand. Their 2015 unit was the last one that was actually suitable for general use. Whenever we needed to get a MBP, that's what I would buy. I bought one 2016 model and the person was seriously unimpressed with it.
In fact, I don't know one single person that is actually happy with the 2016+ models. One person I know bought one, and then sold it again 3 months later cause they couldn't stand it anymore.
The lack of useful ports is infuriating. Whoever came up with that idiotic keyboard design should be tarred, feathered, and shot. These machines are now completely unupgradable, forcing you to max out your purchase up front since it's hard to predict what your usage will be like 3 years down the road. The battery is not only not replaceable, but it's not even serviceable outside of a factory anymore so if you need your battery replaced you're out a laptop for several weeks.
Apple's lineup has become f__king brain damaged right across the board and, as another poster has already said, Apple now produces not one single product that I would want to buy.
The only reason Apple is even a viable option is cause Microsoft has turned Windows 10 into a complete shitshow. At least with Apple, I can actually control when updates occur AND be reasonably confident that an update won't brick my machine.
Blah blah blah old tech bad blah blah blah new tech good blah blah blah. Oh look, a company that sells a SAAS service says that old tech is bad and new tech is good!
This is such a pathetic self-serving refrain and I am SO sick of hearing it.
"Old" tech does *not* hold you back. Generally speaking, it never has, and it never will.
What *will* hold you back? Poor management will hold you back. Badly implemented technology that leaves you with a big pile of technical debt will hold you back. Hiring people based on buzzword bingo will hold you back.
I know companies who, for example, went all in on Hadoop because it was "new" and "cool" and "let you slice and dice massive amounts of data data with ease". (Their entire dataset was less than 1TB) Less than a year later, and the entire effort has been discarded because the effort required just to maintain the thing was overwhelming compared to the value they were actually getting out of it. They were able to accomplish what they wanted with much less effort using a single simple instance of SQL Server.
The current culture of treating with disdain anything older than 6 months has to be one of the most profoundly idiotic notions to have ever come out of the computer industry. We have become fans of reinventing the wheel over and over, without so much as once thinking about whether there is even a benefit to the effort.
It's one thing to introduce a new technology for realistic, practical reasons, such as you simply don't have the manpower to implement said thing with what you already have. But do NOT just spew junk self-serving surveys that blanket says "you gotta throw out what you got and get this new shiny" because that's a lie and you know it.