Unfortunately there wasn't much time to do said research. I did do some reading up on how its done, but the documentation was written from the point of view of a Java developer who knew the names of objects that were used (connectors), etc. Having been a sysadmin for 7 years and configured a lot of different web services, like SSI, PHP, mod_perl, ChiliSoft ASP and Frontpage extensions, I can honestly say that the Tomcat installation is obfuscated, where it really doesn't need to be. WAY too much stuff to learn about just to get a basic site to run. In the end, I couldn't figure out how to setup a document root in which to put some asp files for initial development.
Even when I starting using mod_php several years ago, getting the module working to the point of starting site development was relatively painless and quick. Whereas configuring stuff like ChiliSoft ASP was not. Tomcat is very much like Chilisoft.
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To have known how Tomcat works this past weekend when I was setting it up for a client. WHat a nightmare. Reminds me TOO MUCH of setting up Chilisoft ASP for Apache. Sure its a good idea, but I think its implemented poorly and from an administrators point of view, I found it hard to know where to start. The documentation for setting up Tomcat needs to assume that the administrator doesn't have any knowledge (or little) of Java.
With 18+ million people using Linux, you can bet that on any given day, around 49000 people are installing it. And at least 1 of those is whining on slashdot that they just installed Linux before a new version came out.
Well, this is not quite a replacement for Reason by Propellerhead Software, but it is close. Great job. I think it will make a lot of audio heads consider Linux a lot more.
Maybe funny, but there is some truth to that. For instance, I run webhosting service that has been around since '97 and I have moved all the user data to new machines at least 4 times now as I upgrade the machine. Theoretically, someone could put their precious pictures on the server and have them "live forever".
Probably a good idea for a profitable service would be a gigantic digital safety deposit box.
Back when I had a bunch of floppy disks and also when I had an Amiga I used to think about what I would do with all the information to keep it from degrading. I thought that someday I would write the stuff from the couple hundred floppies to a CD-R. But I never got around too it. And now I've sold my Amiga, so I'll have to buy another one.
I think the biggest problem for me is getting around to converting them from the old format to the new.
If you think about the rate of growth in storage formats, you can always beat bitrot by a couple years by storing X number of old medium on 1 of the new medium. Because the new medium is usually X+ times the size of the old.
5 years will not be a long time to wait 4 years 364 days 11 hours and 59 minutes from now.
In other words, get started now and in five years you'll have something respectable. Who cares whether you've "caught up". Gimp may not have caught up with Photoshop, but its damn spiffy.
You know, I'm sure I'm not the only one who is seeing the near brewings of a second revolution here. Things like patent problems are a major problem that I think can drive all of us to start one.
Some day in an open forum history class they will discuss the frustration programmers had with patents and how they revolted by ????? Maybe by burning a truck full of Windows Longhorn boxes when it finally ships.
While this may sound like taking things a bit too far. If you can think ahead to when AI is all around us. Would we have funerals for family robots that fail or are "killed" in some way? Maybe this is the first inclings of those types of things.
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Unfortunately there wasn't much time to do said research. I did do some reading up on how its done, but the documentation was written from the point of view of a Java developer who knew the names of objects that were used (connectors), etc. Having been a sysadmin for 7 years and configured a lot of different web services, like SSI, PHP, mod_perl, ChiliSoft ASP and Frontpage extensions, I can honestly say that the Tomcat installation is obfuscated, where it really doesn't need to be. WAY too much stuff to learn about just to get a basic site to run. In the end, I couldn't figure out how to setup a document root in which to put some asp files for initial development.
Even when I starting using mod_php several years ago, getting the module working to the point of starting site development was relatively painless and quick. Whereas configuring stuff like ChiliSoft ASP was not. Tomcat is very much like Chilisoft.
When are you going to bring back Juicer 2000?
To have known how Tomcat works this past weekend when I was setting it up for a client. WHat a nightmare. Reminds me TOO MUCH of setting up Chilisoft ASP for Apache. Sure its a good idea, but I think its implemented poorly and from an administrators point of view, I found it hard to know where to start. The documentation for setting up Tomcat needs to assume that the administrator doesn't have any knowledge (or little) of Java.
With 18+ million people using Linux, you can bet that on any given day, around 49000 people are installing it. And at least 1 of those is whining on slashdot that they just installed Linux before a new version came out.
As I found out the hard way over this past weekend, they left out all the java and java related rpms that FC2 had.
Are they using two different development teams for Fedora the way RedHat did for the x.1 and x.[02] releases?
Speed holes? What do you mean?
Yeah, I don't know why it was modded as funny either. I was serious.
I've been able to get dead hard drives working again by throwing them on the concrete.
Just think what would happen if that $10 billion went towards a couple of public school systems.
Well, this is not quite a replacement for Reason by Propellerhead Software, but it is close. Great job. I think it will make a lot of audio heads consider Linux a lot more.
I don't think its a wise idea to give Microsoft some potential excuses that they could use.
Actually, my parents have the original book from 1971. It was part of a series.
Hey, I already have spray on clothes. Someone just get a lady right over here and I will demostrate. ;-)
Uhh, ok. And you're saying that gmail isn't going to be someday soon.
suso.org used to be a free service for the first 3 years it existed. But you eventually have to pay the bills.
suso.org has had imap and pop and webmail for years all with unlimited storage. Some people are storing more than a gigabyte of email there.
That's funny, my mom wrote a novel too and is having a simular problem. She wrote it in the mid-90s.
Maybe funny, but there is some truth to that. For instance, I run webhosting service that has been around since '97 and I have moved all the user data to new machines at least 4 times now as I upgrade the machine. Theoretically, someone could put their precious pictures on the server and have them "live forever".
Probably a good idea for a profitable service would be a gigantic digital safety deposit box.
Back when I had a bunch of floppy disks and also when I had an Amiga I used to think about what I would do with all the information to keep it from degrading. I thought that someday I would write the stuff from the couple hundred floppies to a CD-R. But I never got around too it. And now I've sold my Amiga, so I'll have to buy another one.
I think the biggest problem for me is getting around to converting them from the old format to the new.
If you think about the rate of growth in storage formats, you can always beat bitrot by a couple years by storing X number of old medium on 1 of the new medium. Because the new medium is usually X+ times the size of the old.
Catch up? As one of my sig lines says:
5 years will not be a long time to wait 4 years 364 days 11 hours and 59 minutes from now.
In other words, get started now and in five years you'll have something respectable. Who cares whether you've "caught up". Gimp may not have caught up with Photoshop, but its damn spiffy.
The last thing AOL needs is a focused advertising unit.
You know, I'm sure I'm not the only one who is seeing the near brewings of a second revolution here. Things like patent problems are a major problem that I think can drive all of us to start one.
Some day in an open forum history class they will discuss the frustration programmers had with patents and how they revolted by ????? Maybe by burning a truck full of Windows Longhorn boxes when it finally ships.
While this may sound like taking things a bit too far. If you can think ahead to when AI is all around us. Would we have funerals for family robots that fail or are "killed" in some way? Maybe this is the first inclings of those types of things.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I felt when I saw this mornings election results. :-(
The fact that you were modded down (for reasonable insight) makes me question why I read slashdot.
Which interestingly enough was what happened in 1860. ;-)