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AOL to be Split into 4 Units

unsupported writes "AOL is apparently dividing into four units to provide a clear direction for each. The four divisions are as follows: Audience (Advertising, and AOL IM, Moviefon, Mapquest, Netscape.com), Access (dial-up, highspeed), AOL Europe (for the foreigners), and Digital Services (Premium services, phone and music subscription). "

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  1. And when the four parts come together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They form the lamest robot in the entire universe... AOLtron!

    1. Re:And when the four parts come together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone really care? I mean, i'm pretty sure most fools using AOL would be confused at this site, by just seeing it.

      "OMG WTF?!!! WERES T3H MTV NEWS?? U GAY FAGS NERDS HAV LIEK NO LIEF!!!! OMG I WANANA PLAY HALO!!!!"

    2. Re:And when the four parts come together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. Halo 2 is the next story.

    3. Re:And when the four parts come together by Zeal17 · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, back in the day those AOL floppies were great. If one failed, just look in your mailbox, and taa-daa, 6 more. AOL has gone down-hill since they switched to CDs.

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    4. Re:And when the four parts come together by mintrepublic · · Score: 1

      And when their powers combine... Captian Lame?

    5. Re:And when the four parts come together by michrech · · Score: 1

      I remember that when the AOL floppies were great, so was punching a hole in the other side (opposite the write protect tab) to make them into 1.44mb floppies.. =]

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    6. Re:And when the four parts come together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, recycling hurts jobs.

      Best,
      Pres. Bush

    7. Re:And when the four parts come together by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Not since Ted Turner divorced Hanoi Jane, IIRC.

    8. Re:And when the four parts come together by CriX · · Score: 1

      OMG, high-five on that one. lol. That was the perfect punchline.

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    9. Re:And when the four parts come together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're most defintley a cool guy.

      -Poster of previous statement.

    10. Re:And when the four parts come together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Henceforth, AOL will be broken up into Battlin' Business Units or BBU's. Just don't piss off the Janitorial BBU.

    11. Re:And when the four parts come together by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      Or Mighty AOLbots!

      (Steve Case as "Ohno".)

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    12. Re:And when the four parts come together by dingDaShan · · Score: 1

      Now they can lose money and send demo cd's FOUR times as fast!!!

  2. Quick Question... by FortKnox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...... and how is this news?

    Seriously. AOL probably already operated this way anyway, so what's the big whoop?

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    1. Re:Quick Question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The big whoop is that it's now formalised. You don't make decisions like this without a reason.

    2. Re:Quick Question... by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The big whoop is they probably paid some management consultancy group a library of congress sized amount of money to formalize what they were already doing under the guise of a complete management reorganisation.

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    3. Re:Quick Question... by dykofone · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You hit it. Large corporations go through a reogranization almost annually. I've gone through two in the past year with two different companies. The managers and high-ups make a huge deal about it (rightly so, since it's stuff like that that keeps em in a job) while everyone else just goes "yeah alright, so my division got renamed. yippee."

      I think its mostly to create some buzz amongst the investors and shareholders, who think a reorganization means increased efficiency and therefore huge profits. Plus, it allows for new banners with fancy slogans and missions statements to be hung on the wall, and to keep everyone up to date on the latest corporate slang (a reorganization is really nothing more than lots of little paradigm shifts to better utilize the synergistic capabilities of our capital-index work force, etc)

    4. Re:Quick Question... by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know what the big deal is, but Microsoft always opposed being split up, yet they should follow suit.

      Something like this:

      Microsoft OS Inc
      Microsoft Office Tech Inc
      Microsoft Web tech Inc
      Microsoft Consumer Products Inc

      Of course it won't happen as Microsoft's OS and Office Tech companies would make all the money, the Web tech and Consumer Products divisions would go bust.

    5. Re:Quick Question... by stienman · · Score: 4, Funny

      AOL probably already operated this way anyway, so what's the big whoop?

      The biggest difference is that all the old infighting and contempt is offical, and can be reported on and monitered since it must cross interdepartmental divisions. Previously it was hard to track since it was intradepartemental.

      Wars and power struggles are much more open. Further, it provides a new battlefield - all the commanders welcome this change since the wars were getting rather stale and predictable. Hopefully the new revolution will be streamed.

      -Adam

    6. Re:Quick Question... by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      I could see this as news if it was breaking in to 4 different companies, but this ia in no way news for me.

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    7. Re:Quick Question... by ApolloCreed · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I don't know what the big deal is, but Microsoft always opposed being split up, yet they should follow suit.

      Microsoft opposed being forced into becoming multiple companies. AOL isn't doing that - they are just formalizing internal business units. I think this will be good for them in that it could give VP's more power make decisions independent of the other units. I'm sure Microsoft already does this. Of course, this would make it simpler to split into seperate companies in the future and make it more obvious if that were a good idea.

    8. Re:Quick Question... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      It might be relevent financial information. Perhaps it suggests that they might be planning to sell of bits of the company or something.

      Not quite sure how it's news for news though.

    9. Re:Quick Question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft doesn't want to be split into seperate companies.

    10. Re:Quick Question... by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      This we know, but it would make sense if they did split up.

      Maybe then they would have to create decent products instead of having the Microsoft war chest to fall back on in the event of product failure.

    11. Re:Quick Question... by unother · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Reorgs provide tax benefits.

      See? As always, it's about the benjamins.

      EOT.

    12. Re:Quick Question... by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ... and how is this news?

      This is marginally interesting to me for a few reasons:

      • AOL was probably the single most influential company in the early days of the online revolution. More people got online in the late 1980s and early 1990s because of AOL than any other company. It wasn't the Internet, and it had problems, but it was still the first step for millions of people. In that regard what happens to AOL is interesting in an anthropological/historical sense.
      • The fact that AOL is restructuring themselves means that they are at least attempting to survive. For a few years they've been utterly floundering. The corporate-speak ("I hope to pour a little accelerant on it") is disconcerting, but these restructurings actually take a lot of effort. It's difficult to overstate the amount of inertia that builds up in huge operations like AOL. It will be interesting to me to see if an old giant can get nimble and start delivering what people actually want.
      • Although they downplay the possibility of this being a precursor to a split of AOL, I wouldn't be surprised if they're watching to see what each of the divisions do. They may decide to spin one or more of them off or divide the company into two, three or four separate companies. This could be worth watching in light of the difficulties other large, diversified tech companies are having.
      Admittedly, this isn't the most exciting Slashdot story in recent memory, but I have a soft spot in my heart for stories about AOL.

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    13. Re:Quick Question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How do you figure that? What exact tax benefits do you think you get from changing around divisions?

    14. Re:Quick Question... by danila · · Score: 1

      Not true. Yes, in the short run nothing happens after the reorganisation (except possibly layoffs). But in the longer term this allows a company to develop further, removing organisational roadblocks and stuff.

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    15. Re:Quick Question... by zemoo · · Score: 1

      Microsoft, just like every other company, already operates like this internally. And like in every other company, every division must eventually turn a profit, or be cancelled.
      What Microsoft is opposed to is being split up into seperate corporate entities, which is not the issue being brought up here.

    16. Re:Quick Question... by Sinus0idal · · Score: 1

      lol, are you a manager?

    17. Re:Quick Question... by Junior+Samples · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Large corporations go through a reogranization almost annually. I've gone through two in the past year with two different companies. The managers and high-ups make a huge deal about it (rightly so, since it's stuff like that that keeps em in a job) while everyone else just goes "yeah alright, so my division got renamed. yippee."

      I used to work for a major Aircraft Flight Simulator company headquartered in Kirkwood NY. The company used to be refered to as the "Cadillac of Flight Simulators"

      Toward the end, the company was re-organizing every few months. The employees commonly referred to these re-organizations as the equivalent of rotating 4 bald tires. This was a running joke during the final days of the company.

      A year earlier, the company conducted company wide quality training sessions. During the training we were taught that frequent re-organizations were a sign of a failing company. Needless to say, the re-organizations were not successful in bringing the company back to life.

      The company was sold and resold several times in the years that followed. The last I heard, is that telemarketers now occupy the building that used to be occupied by Engineers.

    18. Re:Quick Question... by danila · · Score: 1

      Very funny. :) No, I am not a manager, albeit I do have a BBA degree. Neither I ever was a manager, but I was a financial analyst in an investment bank and I know how much bullshit the reorganisations (merging, breaking up, etc.) can be. But I also know that all too often the organisation just hits a wall. It's clear that the potential is there, the market is ready, the products/services in the pipeline are good, there are good people, necessary assets, sufficient finance, but the organisational structure is deeply decayed.

      One option is to force a change from the top through reengineering, but it's not always an option, especially when the top is relatively clueless about how to approach the problems. Often a good solution would be to do exactly what AOL is doing - to split the company, to let divisions that don't depend on each other too much to do what they think is best. It's entirely possible that a lot of AOL problems are caused by forcing all divisions to follow a misguided strategy instead of doing what they know is the best.

      Yes, it's no silver bullet and no guarantee that AOL shareholders will benefit, but I can at least see the rationale behind this decision.

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    19. Re:Quick Question... by hswerdfe · · Score: 1

      it is often an excuse to lay off part of the work force, as well.

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    20. Re:Quick Question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know what Microsoft sells, do you???
      Your split is moronic.

      Hint. Have you heard of BackOffice? How do you propose to split Web from Office?

  3. Oh Thank God by samurairas · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was so worried about their financial well being! I'm nearly out of coasters.

    1. Re:Oh Thank God by twofidyKidd · · Score: 1

      You mean throwing stars?

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    2. Re:Oh Thank God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well.. Dividing the kingdom just worked wonders for King Lear, didn't it?

    3. Re:Oh Thank God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, Shakespeare

    4. Re:Oh Thank God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      <obAOL>

      Me too!

      </obAOL>
  4. Moviefon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that the Spanish version?

  5. Doh! by Zemplar · · Score: 5, Funny

    "AOL is apparently dividing into four units to provide a clear direction for each. The four divisions are as follows: Audience (Advertising, and AOL IM, Moviefon, Mapquest, Netscape.com), Access (dial-up, highspeed), AOL Europe (for the foreigners), and Digital Services (Premium services, phone and music subscription)."

    None of which will regain profitability.

    1. Re:Doh! by afree87 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, I can sure see America Online doing well in Europe.

    2. Re:Doh! by adam+mcmaster · · Score: 1

      You do realise that AOL already operated in Europe before this, right? I see their ads on TV all the time.

    3. Re:Doh! by Zemplar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps they could change thier name to Anti-America Online to improve their European image?

    4. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, moderators, I think that was intended as a joke. If not, I'd suggest that Zemplar not pursue a career in marketing.

    5. Re:Doh! by The-Bus · · Score: 1

      My guess is their intention is not to have 4 units so each can regain profitability (which would be nice) but to maybe funnel some of the expenses towards one or two units.*

      What expenses? I don't know, the half a billion dollar legal defense fund they've set up. Which as an aside, is kind of a fucking stupid idea. It's like walking into a Mercedes dealer with a check for $150,000 and saying "What can I get?" ("Why, sir, this luxury edition E-class has so much more eagle. It saddens me to think of you missing out."). I predict the lawyer's fees will be around $500m. Bravo, smartasses.

      Another part of me** thinks that all they're doing is separating these units so they can be separated into companies to not only avoid any anti-trust legislation but also to sell said company after, oh, inflating profits and reaping a tidy sum for AOLTW share-holders. Basically, let someone else worry about it. I will leave the charting of "???" and "Profit!" to somebody else.

      * IANSGAAP.****
      ** The part filled with the creamy nougat filling of reckless greed.
      *** See above Times Online link.
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    6. Re:Doh! by IANAAC · · Score: 1

      Probably branded AOL, much like KFC, which, God help us, is doing well in Europe.

    7. Re:Doh! by Zemplar · · Score: 1

      You nailed it on the first one. Even I wouldn't seriously market that. But then again, I couldn't work for AOL since I have to believe in the company I work for.

    8. Re:Doh! by jacksonj04 · · Score: 0

      You mean like the BBC does well worldwide?

      AOL is over here in force, and it's just as bad. And the CDs are pitiful as coasters coz they're so cheap :( make nice curtains and shiny things though.

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    9. Re:Doh! by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      By law (that requires public companies to follow GAAP) they have to estimate the likely cost of anything that they can get a feel for (believe me if they didn't the second set of suits would cause much more pain than this penalty).

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    10. Re:Doh! by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Here in Germany, they have these pathetic adverts that try to fool people into thinking AOL is short for Alles OnLine ("everything online"). They are doing fairly well, though, they have a huge number of users. The relative numbers might be about the same as in the US, in fact, but I'm not sure.

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    11. Re:Doh! by ethame · · Score: 1

      Two words: Popcorn Chicken [drool]

    12. Re:Doh! by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Funny

      If AOL wants to improve their European image maybe they should rebrand themselves as BLO, Bin Laden Online? Then it could be a real terrorist network!

      I wonder if the Terrorist Network is IPv6 compliant.

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    13. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that popcorn chicken has about much chicken in it as popcorn. It is pretty much just the crust droppings.

    14. Re:Doh! by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      None of which will regain profitability.

      That's ok, because with four units, they can make it up in *volume*

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    15. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, this has nothing to do with Time Warner in general. It is only the AOL division that is realigning.

      Second, GAAP requires you to accrue a reasonable amount for expected legal fees. This wasn't just some idea that an executive at TW came up with.

      Third, they are not creating new corporate entities for each group but just realigning departments.

      Fourth, even if they could artificially inflate the profits somehow of AOL by doing this (would take a miracle in today's SarBox climate but let's assume for fun) it would still have a very negligible effect on TW's profits.

      Finally, there is no such thing as AOLTW. It ceased to exist long ago. It is just Time Warner or TW.

      And yes I am a CPA.

    16. Re:Doh! by DikSeaCup · · Score: 1
      AOL Europe (for the foreigners)

      You know, you look at the occasional post from a European that comments that "not everyone lives in America" and you assume that they're just complaining too much.

      Then you see the above quoted line.

      I'm beginning to they might have a point.

      They still talk funny though. ;)

    17. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was an (admittedly lame) attempt to be arch. Thats all.

      We really do love Europeans. Really. Alot. I mean it. Stop looking at me like that.

    18. Re:Doh! by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      I predict the lawyer's fees will be around $500m. Bravo, smartasses.

      Before going into litigation using outside counsel, companies often will look to cap maximum expenses involved, and have anything over that reviewed by internal counsel. SCO's just the most visible to do this of late, but they're far from alone.

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    19. Re:Doh! by rapcomp · · Score: 1

      Ooooooh crust droppings!

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    20. Re:Doh! by delta_avi_delta · · Score: 1

      you mean: "we still talk funnily" - it's because we know the language :)

    21. Re:Doh! by The+Briguy · · Score: 1

      I suppose I'll feed this troll.
      You do realize you can hate President Bush AND hate Osama Bin Laden, right?
      You don't seriously think that Liberal Europeans like Islamic extremeism, do you? France has even go so far as to ban islamic dress in schools [a bad idea, IMHO, because it causes more problems then it solves].
      The people of New York City overwhelmingly voted against Bush. I suppose they must love Bin Laden too! New Yorkers do have plenty of firsthand experience in dealing with him...

    22. Re:Doh! by dago · · Score: 1

      Well, that's precisely what Subway did by promoting "Super Size Me" in a very bash-the-fat-americans way.

      See here for yourself. ("Amis" = abbreviation of Americans).

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    23. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Volume...oh I get it!

      "This one goes to (Chapter) 11..."

    24. Re:Doh! by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1

      Umm... actually, they are doing decently. Last I heard, probably a couple of years ago, they had five million subscribers in Europe.

    25. Re:Doh! by labradore · · Score: 1
      ... a bad idea, IMHO, because it causes more problems then [sic] it solves

      No, it's a bad idea because it unnecessarily (and, rather stupidly) restricts freedom, which is far worse than simply causing practical problems for people who want to wear religious clothing. So the French hate Bin Laden and the rest of the extremists. They still suck.

    26. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'we always found it very idiotic to hear commecials for "America Online Canada".

    27. Re:Doh! by MarkGriz · · Score: 1


      Volume...oh I get it!

      "This one goes to (Chapter) 11..."

      Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of the Saturday Night Live skit about the First Citiwide Change Bank, which specialized in exchanging coins for dollar bills. The punch line was, "All the time our customers ask us, How do we make money doing this? The answer is simple: volume"

      But I think I like your joke better...

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    28. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would suggest that "Bushitania Online" would do even less well in Europe. Of course, nobody likes the smell of B.O.

  6. 4 Units? by Thunderstruck · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean I can get four times as many drink-coasters every month? I just moved into a bigger place, so I need some.

    Seriously though, will this provide newfound independence for the Netscape folks, and newfound options for the browsers associated with them? Or will it just be a management shift that has no practical effect on the rest of the world?

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    1. Re:4 Units? by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

      No,each division sending you a CD each month would be just stupid now wouldn't it. Obviously each division will only send a 1/4 segment of a cd to you each month which you can glue toegther to form a coaster at your leisure.

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    2. Re:4 Units? by harrkev · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope. Only one coaster each month. The company is being split up into four separate pieces:

      1) Coaster distribution - responsible for loading landfills with non-biodegradable chunks of worthless platic. Of course, a lot of these discs should be distributed with PC magazines, which are read by people who should already know better than to use AOL.

      2) Moron recruitment - Dedicated to finding the dumbest of the dumb and encouraging them to POST IN ALL CAPS on every forum imaginable. They also believe that they can enlarge their m3mb3r easily for only $19.95

      3) Customer Leaking - Maintains all customer data on Windows 95 machines without a firewall. This benefits the consumer because they do not have to type in their credit card number -- it is already all over the web!

      4) Browser development - This company will spend a lot of money developing browsers which AOL will never even use.

      It makes perfect sense to me!

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    3. Re:4 Units? by goodydot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anybody notice that CDs make REALLY BAD coasters? The condensation from the drink tends to run through the hole in the middle and around the outside. Then, you not only get a ring on your table, you get a wet CD which tends to stick to the drink. It also creates a more slippery surface, so the drink tends to slide off the CD. Cans are a little better in this regard, but you still get all that run-off. AOL needs to start shipping out absorbant CDs, perhaps making them from soapstone. I know it seems a little odd to state that the CDs get slippery AND sticky, but they happen at different times. Once the drink is on the coaster, it tends to stick. It's the act of placing the drink upon the coaster that brings about the whole slippery aspect of the CD-as-coaster. Also, I've found that everything seems to work better if you leave the CD in the proper drink holder on your PC. That way the liquid from condensation tends to run down into the CPU. Well, I don't suppose that's any better, huh? I tell you what I usually do is put the CD onto a larger, more absorbant coaster, thus solving the problem of water on the table. Of course, this negates the whole benefit of using CDs as coasters, because now you have to buy a coaster for each CD used. I still think AOL needs to distribute CDs made from a more coaster-friendly material. They may need another division for this.

    4. Re:4 Units? by fdicostanzo · · Score: 1

      Our local post office had a single box of AOL coasters a year or so ago. In the manufacture of my halloween costume that year I grabbed most all of the box.

      A few weeks later I went in to post a letter and there had to be 8-10 boxes of AOL coasters spread out on every counter and flat space available. They even had a few stand up display racks.

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    5. Re:4 Units? by rapcomp · · Score: 1

      You have to leave them in the plastic!

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  7. but what about the real parts by castlec · · Score: 1

    you know, AOL and Time-Warner????

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  8. You forgot the 5th Unit by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 1, Funny

    You forgot the 5th unit, which is more important then the rest.

    It's the "Me too!" unit.

    -= Stefan

    1. Re:You forgot the 5th Unit by Didion+Sprague · · Score: 1

      Isn't "Me Too!" related to "*bump*"?

    2. Re:You forgot the 5th Unit by twofidyKidd · · Score: 1

      I can't handle a 5th...4 times the suck is enough already.

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  9. Advertising? by suso · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last thing AOL needs is a focused advertising unit.

    1. Re:Advertising? by Zugot · · Score: 1

      They purchased Advertising.com earlier this year for a hefty, hefty sum.

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    2. Re:Advertising? by Speare · · Score: 1
      Silly. That's not the right way to think about the AOL split. Remember Golgafrincham?
      • AOL Ark A: Internet Access
      • AOL Ark B: Advertising
      • AOL Ark C: Regional Services
      • AOL Ark D: Other Paid Services
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  10. AOL Europe by style7711 · · Score: 0

    At least America isn't alone in it's fight against the plague also known as AOL.

    1. Re:AOL Europe by Ubergrendle · · Score: 0

      Hopefully they'll forget about AOL Canada altogether and we can fly under the radar of crappy service and overpriced malware!!! Huzzah!

      Seriously though, for all the flames we slashdotters lob at AOL, I don't think they care. Since the election results, I've come to realise that there is a HUGE divide in the US. Its difficult to avoid stereotyping, but if you look at voting states and voting distribution, you're left with Norther/Coastal US states that tend to be tech-savy, progressive, liberal in attitudes. This contrasts with the mid-west and southern states that are more traditional in both religious outlook and industrial makeup of their economies.

      AOL started with the tech-boom in the 1990s, but their product offering now targets the '51%'. 'Conservatives' that prefer to censor their children's access to the internet and control waht they're viewing. People who are distrustful of technology and reply upon AOL to provide a shield between themselves and the wild-wild-west internet. People who think 56.6k is 'good enough'.

      This divison into multiple units might work. The media-delivery arm just might create something that geeks like, and are willing to pay for. Whereas the traditional AOL service we'll continue to flame, lambast, and avoid like the plague...but might make money elsewhere.

      I doubt they'll succeed, but its a better strategy than what they had.

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    2. Re:AOL Europe by westlake · · Score: 1
      AOL started with the tech-boom in the 1990s, but their product offering now targets the '51%'. 'Conservatives' that prefer to censor their children's access to the internet and control waht they're viewing. People who are distrustful of technology and reply upon AOL to provide a shield between themselves and the wild-wild-west internet. People who think 56.6k is 'good enough'.

      Adelphia offers a free internet security bundle to all users, a fully automated subscription service like Norton NIS. Is it so surprising that when non-techie middle class families migrate to broadand they chose an ISP that begins to look more and more like AOL?

  11. Next up? by Chas · · Score: 1

    Microsoft!

    But only after MS has a really bad quarter.

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    THANK GOD!!!
    1. Re:Next up? by Sibshops · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft tried a related split up. However, they couldn't find a way seperate the Internet Explorer from Windows.

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  12. coincidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a coincidence, I just finished a round of Secret of Mana with plenty of those damn Green Drops.

  13. At Least a Few More Years by Ieshan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AOL still has a few more years left in them. Cable and DSL haven't quite become ubiquitous, and there are enough people in the "heartland" who aren't familiar enough with the Internet to know better.

    Their new commercials purport to make the Internet better - that's the market AOL has to reach, people who think their software is the Internet.

    It doesn't have much longer, though. Education will put AOL to a slow death unless they drastically reform their business to revolve around the things they do get right (like messaging) instead of "access" and "customer support" (both in scare quotes for obvious reasons).

    1. Re:At Least a Few More Years by garcia · · Score: 1

      AOL still has a few more years left in them. Cable and DSL haven't quite become ubiquitous, and there are enough people in the "heartland" who aren't familiar enough with the Internet to know better.

      Their new commercials purport to make the Internet better - that's the market AOL has to reach, people who think their software is the Internet.


      People with Cable/DSL still have their AOL accounts and use it over Broadband because they don't want to lose their email account, they don't want to lose all the "wonderful" extras that AOL provides, and they don't want to know that they have been getting ripped off for 10 years by using their service.

      Education will put AOL to a slow death unless they drastically reform their business to revolve around the things they do get right (like messaging) instead of "access" and "customer support" (both in scare quotes for obvious reasons).

      This comment is so wrong on so many levels that it's not even worth explaining.

    2. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... there are enough people in the "heartland" who aren't familiar enough with the Internet to know better.

      That's absurd, especially considering they are the most educated people in the country.

    3. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Chihuahuabot · · Score: 1

      It's funny 'cos it's true. I used to work for Gateway and it amazed me how many people would call in and could not differentiate Windows from the web, let alone AOL and the internet. Many of these people were on their second computer, so they were not totally new. AOL's bloated bells and whistles software, shopping and special content appeals to a segment of the population that has pretty deep pockets. AOL also sells High Speed (DSL via Covad IIRC and cable, a rebranding of their TimeWarner Roadrunner service).

    4. Re:At Least a Few More Years by samberdoo · · Score: 1

      They voted for Bush didn't they? 'nuff said.

    5. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      AOL still has a few more years left in them. Cable and DSL haven't quite become ubiquitous, and there are enough people in the "heartland" who aren't familiar enough with the Internet to know better.

      Uhh, I'd hate to break this to you Captain Culture, but it isn't just people in the heartland. I live in NJ, work in Manhattan and I know plenty of people who stick with AOL even AFTER getting broadband because they want to keep their screen names that they've had for 5-10 years now. Just because the guy you voted for lost, doesn't mean everyone in the "heartland" is a mindless hick luddite AOLer

    6. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Ieshan · · Score: 1


      People with Cable/DSL still have their AOL accounts and use it over Broadband because they don't want to lose their email account, they don't want to lose all the "wonderful" extras that AOL provides, and they don't want to know that they have been getting ripped off for 10 years by using their service.

      Education will put AOL to a slow death unless they drastically reform their business to revolve around the things they do get right (like messaging) instead of "access" and "customer support" (both in scare quotes for obvious reasons).

      This comment is so wrong on so many levels that it's not even worth explaining.


      The only reason people will realize that they've been getting ripped off (as you say) is if they're educated that AOL doesn't actualy provide them anything that the regular old "internet" wouldn't. I'd really appreciate if you would explain on what levels my comment is wrong, since by all indication, it looks as though you've agreed with the main force of the point - AOL Customers are being duped because they're ignorant, and once they realize they can seamlessly change, they will.

      On your valid point, that customers don't want to lose their Email address, forwarding/changing contacts isn't really that hard over the course of an entire month.

    7. Re:At Least a Few More Years by DeepStream · · Score: 1

      First, educated != IQ, which is what this site discusses. Secondly, while IQ is a dubious value to start with, IQ values converted from SAT scores are completely ludicrous.

    8. Re:At Least a Few More Years by pen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AOL had live video streams of the presidential debates. You could not see them anywhere on the "plain" Internet. I didn't watch the presidential debates, but I'm sure that a lot of people would like to.

      If you're into mainstream content, AOL does give you more than just the free stuff on the Internet. They have the clout to make deals with the mainstream content providers to offer this content.

      Doesn't do anything for me personally, but there's some truth to what they claim.

    9. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOL still has a few more years left in them.

      That's like saying "Heinz has a few years left in them as everyone knows the ingredients to ketchup" -- some people just don't want the hassle of rolling their own.

    10. Re:At Least a Few More Years by mordors9 · · Score: 1

      I live in the rural midwest. When our local cable company started to offer internet cable service they had to advertise it as allowing people to still use their AOL account. Why people would pay for both is beyond me, but there are lots of people that think AOL is the internet. Thankfully that number is decreasing.

    11. Re:At Least a Few More Years by cens0r · · Score: 1

      That link is what is absurd. Look at the percentage of high-school students taking the test. In the ones leading, it's less than 10%. In the ones doing worse, it's between 50-80%. This chart proves nothing because the only people taking the SAT in the heartland are planning on going to top notch colleges (those on the coasts) that prefer that test. Most high-school students in the midwest take the ACT.

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    12. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOL had live video streams of the presidential debates. You could not see them anywhere on the "plain" Internet.

      Actually, I think NYtimes.com was running live video streams, with commentary. They also had them available as streams for a little while after the debates.

      If you just wanted audio, NPR.org was streaming the debates, too.

    13. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Mandrias · · Score: 1

      Ummm.. I watched all the debates live on msnbc.com

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    14. Re:At Least a Few More Years by wizarddc · · Score: 1

      I think debates.org, a cspan offshoot, carried live streaming video of the debates on the net.

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    15. Re:At Least a Few More Years by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1

      AOL had live video streams of the presidential debates. You could not see them anywhere on the "plain" Internet.

      Not true. BBC News and C-Span both had live video streams of the presidential debates, and I'm sure there were others.

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    16. Re:At Least a Few More Years by DrCash · · Score: 0
      AOL had live video streams of the presidential debates. You could not see them anywhere on the "plain" Internet.

      You had to go to that "other internet" that Bush referred to,... Not all Americans have access to all of the internets.

    17. Re:At Least a Few More Years by jhobbs · · Score: 1
      C-span carried live feeds of the debates online. In fact, if you are inclined to watch the tediously boring day-to-day goings-on of our government's inner workings, you can practically OD on the various live feeds 24/7 at C-Span, C-Span2, C-Span3, or C-Span Radio.

      On the occasion that I have been inclined to watch I have found their streams to be clear and of high quality (your tax dollars at work).

      Last time I watched their feeds was a Presidential State of the Union Address. I found the forums to be filled with the expectedly colorful people, albiet conversing on a slightly higher plane than many online politcal forums.

    18. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      That really depends on what you mean.

      Where I live, it is quite arduious explaining to people why they need high speed, or they really can't afford it. They don't download stuff, watch videos or anything that demands bandwidth. A lot of people seem to stick to plain web pages, email and IM, and to do that, only requires a $5/mo dial-up plan. Of course, not many I know have AOL.

    19. Re:At Least a Few More Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C-SPAN is a private concern, actually. Really.

  14. Clear direction, bah. by YetAnotherName · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The new units will be called:
    • AOL Audiece/Time/Warner
    • AOL Access/Time/Warner
    • AOL Europe/Time/Warner
    • AOL Digital/Time/Warner

    Maybe if you split the Time and the Warner parts off, you'd have even clearer direction, AOL?

    1. Re:Clear direction, bah. by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      TimeWarner is not the problem. The problem is AOL is trying to compete in the exact same space as MSN and will always lose. MSN is able to better integrate into Windows. MSN will always be the first choice on the OS.etc, etc, etc.

      AOL needs to learn to carry the fight to a different battleground; basically a neutral ground.

      1. Make Firefox/Mozilla the default (with MSIE an option)
      2. Provide OpenOffice on their system.
      3. Start using a media system that is on multiple systems. The ogg line is certainly a choice as are a number of others.
      Then allow customers to run that for about a year. Finally, create a Linux distro for the home user that includes all the above. They can call it AOS. It will enable them to compete.

      What they need to do, but they will not do it. History simply repeats itself.

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    2. Re:Clear direction, bah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you including Time Warner at all? I work for a sub of Time Warner and we don't include it in our name.

    3. Re:Clear direction, bah. by k_187 · · Score: 1

      I did notice a few days ago that AOL is offering an "AOL PC" for like $300 if you agree to a year of AOL service. What surprised me about it was that it touted coming with open office making it "complete" or some marketing speak like that. It wouldn't surprise me if that takes off for them to stop with the windows and switch to linux. They'll need to establish themselves as a hardware provider first though.

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    4. Re:Clear direction, bah. by DrXym · · Score: 1
      I agree with 1) but everything else is wishful thinking. It would be nice if AOL offered an office suite, but the simple fact is AOL users are too computer illiterate to even cope with a normal email client. What chance do you have to promote Open Office to that kind of person? What chance is there when it would certainly double or triple support calls to AOL? They'd be better off to do a deal with Sun - offer Star Office to AOL users for cheap or even nothing and let Sun cope with the support in which ever way they feel like. There is potential for that kind of thing.

      And number 3) is right out. The file format is the least of your problems when delivering streaming content. What you need are honking big servers capable of concurrently streaming to thousands of connected clients. Such servers and the software they run are the important things. It would be better for AOL to strike a deal with Real for that. Real is fairly platform agnostic and big chunks of it are even open source - something which couldn't be said for either Quicktime or WMP.

      Now the reason I agree with 1) is because platform agnostic should be a buzz word for AOL. A while back they used to harp on about "AOL anywhere" and it made a lot of sense. AOL (or rather Time Warner) produces content. They shouldn't care about the pipes that gets it to the user - the more eyeballs / ears who get it the better. Open standards enable content to reach as wide an audience as possible. Using proprietary protocols such as DHTML / ActiveX controls in Microsoft Internet Explorer and Microsoft Windows Media Player means only Microsoft users get the content. It means Microsoft (their main competitor) controls the pipes.

      AOL may be have Microsoft's dick in their mouth because of the legal settlement, but maybe they should bite down instead of sucking it deep. If they can't or won't get rid of IE, they should still be marginalising it now. That means stop slapping stupid features into the AOL client that require ActiveX controls to function properly. Start cleaning up your content and cleaning up your users content (those who make homepages through the automatic tools).

      What the hell am I saying? AOL is in self-destruct mode and has been for a long time. Their AOL client is stuck in a timewarp and the end will be nigh before they realise it.

  15. Wow, AOL internal politics by stratjakt · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Who really cares how AOL runs their business?

    Except maybe the 1000 or so people they'll no doubt layoff with this "corporate restructuring" crap.

    No, I did not RTFA because I really don't care.

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  16. EOL by vlad_grigorescu · · Score: 1

    As long as it's splitting up, for less confusion, couldn't *AMERICA* Online Europe, become... Europe Online? The good news is that we now get 3 times the CDs... Now if only we found a fun/useful thing to do with them...

    1. Re:EOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There already is a Europe Online - this was explained many times back when AOL decided to enter the European market.

    2. Re:EOL by grub · · Score: 1


      In Canada it's call AOL Canada they don't expand it to "America Online Canada" so perhaps "AOL Europe" or something.

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    3. Re:EOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freesbies !

      Or hang them in a cherry-tree to scare birds ! (quite widely used in France ....)

    4. Re: EOL by GozzoMan · · Score: 1
      AOL Europe (for the foreigners)
      couldn't *AMERICA* Online Europe, become... Europe Online?
      I absolutely see your point, but then it will be no more "for foreigners"...

      ... what about "America Online Europe, for differently American people"?
      (I know a Prime Minister or two that will love it.)

      ;Pp
    5. Re:EOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I thought Canada was part of America.

      We USAians can't keep track of ourselves. Maybe I should get a USAOL account.

  17. It has to be said by TheJaff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will cd-r manufacturers be able to keep up?

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    1. Re:It has to be said by strict3 · · Score: 1

      Will cd-r manufacturers be able to keep up?

      AOL doesn't use CDRs to distribute their products. So, what's your point?

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  18. Your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    $5 to tell me where I saw a Childrens' story where a white object falls from the sky onto a house & everyone dies.


    You saw the story? What medium? Was it a book, movie, filmstrip? All of the above?

    1. Re:Your sig by Thunderstruck · · Score: 0

      Ah, well I have this vague memory of a childre's story - either in book form or perhaps on television in the early 1980's... It might have been some animated commentary on nuclear war, or it might have been a story about how people who stand around doing nonthing will get squished...

      Maybe it was from "The Day After" ... it would have been about the time that movie came out.

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    2. Re:Your sig by bpd1069 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps repressed memories? ;)

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    3. Re:Your sig by kiddailey · · Score: 2, Insightful


      No, it's actually:

      Conservatives & Liberals: F*cking the country today so our children can fix it tomorrow.

    4. Re:Your sig by Knetzar · · Score: 2

      I really want a +1 Cynical mod right now

    5. Re:Your sig by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're still wrong.

      Everyone: Fucking up everything until there is no tomorrow.

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  19. Don't forget Division #5... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The "I-hardly-know-English" outsourced tech support division.

    1. Re:Don't forget Division #5... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AOL Curry division?

    2. Re:Don't forget Division #5... by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They do TOO know English. English is the ONLY common language of the Indian subcontinent! Unfortunately it is their own local varriation that is as difficult for an American to follow as is London Cockney. The fact that so MANY of those Americans used to have jobs that are now filled by folsk with Indian accents does not help either..

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  20. goals? by B5_geek · · Score: 1

    ...4 seperate units with clearly designed roles ....

    umm, given how abstract that collection looks, I'd say they need to divide into about 5 MORE groups or atleast better defined/organize groups. Haven't these people ever designed a Db?
    .

    1. telecomm (subscriptions, and telephony)
    2. media (music & movies)
    3. Advertising

    Do they just try too hard to be elitest?

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    1. Re:goals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think that AOL produces any of its own Music or Movies.

  21. Their time has come, by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    AOL was marketed as an ISP for non technical people. This justified that added expense. Most families these days have at least one member who know at least a little bit about computing and sees that AOL is not needed. Its cheaper to get access from someone else and add the features you want. I suppose its because the internet has been around long enough for the general public (say 10 years of real viable public access?) so that either the adults have taken an interest or they have kids who know a great deal about it all. Seriously, AOL is just not worth the added expense. This new racket about including free anti-virus and spyware blocking is not going to change anything. Breaking into four main organisation is not the answer either. What they need to do is set their prices competitively and get some innovative content.

    1. Re:Their time has come, by AlfieJ · · Score: 1
      I was a very early AOL subscriber back in the late 80's, or possibly early 90's, when AOL was a Mac-only online service. It was great because it was graphic-oriented when its competitors, like CompuServe or GEnie, were text-based. It was a great place to get technical help since most subscribers were tech-oriented at the time.

      Over time they shifted their focus away from the Mac towards Windows, alienating their original Mac subscribers, and then the 'net came into prominence, totally eliminating any need for me, or anybody at all techie, to stay with them.

      I've never regretted dropping my subscription.

    2. Re:Their time has come, by unsupported · · Score: 1

      What they need to do is set their prices competitively and get some innovative content.

      Does this mean the Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith trailer doesn't count?

      -Un

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    3. Re:Their time has come, by Moby+Cock · · Score: 1

      Nope. It doesn't count. Since there were torrents of the thing available within the hour of release. You just don't need AOL.

    4. Re:Their time has come, by orcus · · Score: 1

      It was great because it was graphic-oriented when its competitors, like CompuServe or GEnie, were text-based.

      Trust me, when you are paying by the minute like I was on CIS, GEnie and Delphi, you WANTED the snappy response of a text based service, vs waiting for the screen to redraw with pretty graphics.

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    5. Re:Their time has come, by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      What they need to do is set their prices competitively and get some innovative content.

      This is exactly what they have been moving away from. There used to be exclusive content on AOL, reasons to have it even if you had a proper ISP. Now every link is redirected to a web page. What, exactly, makes AOL different than a normal ISP if everything is on a web page?

      For a while now they have ignored the resource of having a proprietary client. They could be doing things with the AOL client that cannot be done with the web, like they used to do. Instead they are a relatively expensive ISP that is laden with ads.

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    6. Re:Their time has come, by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Trust me, when you are paying by the minute like I was on CIS, GEnie and Delphi, you WANTED the snappy response of a text based service, vs waiting for the screen to redraw with pretty graphics.

      IIRC CIS charged $6.00/hour for 300 baud, $12/hour for 1200/2400 baud, and $24/hour for 9600 baud. I can't remember when they stopped charging such outlandish rates. At 300 baud, screen refreshes were not snapy at all. 2400 seemed to be where it was at.

      I don't remember when I ditched CIS, it was sometime after they offered telnet in access and internet e-mail.

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  22. Sell off by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This sets the stage to spin the pieces off into separate companies, or to sell them.

    I doubt AOL-TimeWarner has much AOL left once the "Baby AOLs" are operating a little more independently.

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    1. Re:Sell off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as AOL Time Warner. Where have all you people been living for the last year and a half. Time Warner dumped the AOL name long ago.

  23. Four Units For Easy Sale by lousyd · · Score: 1
    AOL To Be Split Into Four Units

    In other words, the future of the company depends on some kind of restructuring or refocusing, and they're looking to sell part of themselves. This is an attempt to package some part of their business for easy sale, while at the same time making possible an evaluation of just which part it is they want to sell.

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  24. This story put some strange pictures in my head... by rubberbando · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm suddenly imagining their little yellow logo guy being drawn and quartered....not pretty.. :-P

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  25. Wonder what they are going to do with ODP? by xmas2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Open Directory Project (ODP) at dmoz.org is the "largest human-edited directory in the world" and is "owned" by AOL since it came from Netscape ... although it's mostly community volunteers helping out, although AOL provides hardware and some staffing assistance.

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  26. Stock? by kc0re · · Score: 1

    Does that mean my AOL Stock will quadruple? Or will this just create 4x the mess that already exists?

    1. Re:Stock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well since analysts long ago valued AOL's portion of TW stock's worth as zero it should increase that portion by at least four times. Heck maybe even four hundred.

  27. Secret Weapon: discs by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 5, Funny

    and its secret weapon is repeatedly firing fast rotating 30-day trial discs. OH THE HORROR!

    1. Re:Secret Weapon: discs by calibanDNS · · Score: 1, Insightful

      while defending parents from the horrors of having to monitor their own children!

    2. Re:Secret Weapon: discs by adam+mcmaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you misspelled "coasters"

    3. Re:Secret Weapon: discs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      great, now we will get 4x as many AOL disks in the mail. At least when they sent floppies I could reformat them

    4. Re:Secret Weapon: discs by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 1

      All well and good, but which of these units gets CNN?

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    5. Re:Secret Weapon: discs by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "firing fast rotating 30-day trial discs."

      As opposed to firing employees?

    6. Re:Secret Weapon: discs by WesG · · Score: 1

      Not only that, Slashdot still has the old AOL logo. Slashdot - can we get the new AOL logo pllllleaaaaaase ;)

      yay

  28. Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    AOL Europe (for the foreigners)

    but no thanks!

  29. poor little company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So now they're just down to AOL, AOL Instant Messenger, AOL TV, Asiaweek, Atlanta Braves, Atlanta Hawks, Atlanta Thrashers, Atlantic Records, Baby Talk, Book-of-the-Month Club, Capitol Records, Cartoon Network, Castle Rock Entertainment, Cinemax, CNN, CNNfn, Coastal Living, Columbia House, Comedy Central, CompuServe, Cooking Light, Court TV, DC Comics, Digital City, eCompany Now, Elektra, EMI, Entertaindom.com, Entertainment Weekly, Family Life, Fortune Magazine, Goodwill Games, Hanna-Barbera, HBO, Headline News, Health Magazine, ICQ, InStyle, Life Magazine, Little Brown, Looney Tunes, Mad Magazine, Money Magazine, MovieFone, Netscape, New Line Cinema, NY1 News, People Magazine, Progressive Farmer, Qwest, Real Simple, Rhino, Road Runner, Southern Accents, Southern Living, Spinner, Sports Illustrated Magazines, Sunset, TBS, Teen People, Telepictures Productions, This Old House, Time Magazines, Time Warner Cable, TNT, Tommy Boy Music, Turner Classic Movies, Virgin Records, Warner Brothers Companies (Movies, Television Network, Video, Music, Stores), and Winamp.

  30. AOL -Europe- ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AOL Europe? They still do business around here??
    The last time I saw an AOL cd was in 1998...
    It was orange. So was my Half-life cd.

    So naturally, I threw away my HL disc.
    I hate AOL, they killed Gordon =(

    1. Re:AOL -Europe- ?? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Funny... With that intellect, you sound like the perfect fit for AOL!

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    2. Re:AOL -Europe- ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, and since I'm not exactly retarded, the irony kills me =( ..
      I still blame AOL though. And their damn, dirty CD's.
      I also blame my mom for throwing away the trash...

  31. Deck chair re-arranging by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    They used to be all lined up facing the music, now they're in four different parts of the deck, looking for a life boat. They're sunk, they're doomed. Stick a fork in AOL. They're done.

    And, this isn't trolling - this is just looking at the facts of AOL's business. They're completely surrounded by superior services that cost less and don't have the "Me Too!" stigma attached. I was wondering when AOL was going to start splitting itself up. Keep an eye open for it to sell each of these divisions off to a competitor.

    RS

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    1. Re:Deck chair re-arranging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The death-knell is really when netcraft confirms it. Line them up with SCO and Sun MS. I don't even think we need to play six degrees to Bill Gates here but it's a decent observation that all of 'em danced with Microsoft at some point in their corporate lives.

  32. Horsemen of the Apocalypse? by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny

    My first thought at seeing the headline.

  33. Makes sense by mrnick · · Score: 1

    This makes sense because they are loosing such market share in their dial up business splitting their company up makes it easier to keep the profitable entities alive while looking for somewhere to dump the unprofitable ones.

    Nick Powers

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  34. what, no CD Press department? by Val314 · · Score: 5, Funny

    i thought printing & shipping CDs was their main task

  35. End Of Life? by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    EOL stands for "end of life", but that's what we'd all want, right?

    Anyway, "AOL" is a brand name, an opaque identifier. European subscribers seem to associate "AOL" with a specific online service provider rather than with the words "America Online", just as they associate "DSL" with "high-speed Internet access provided over the phone line" rather than with the words "digital subscriber line".

  36. Clear Direction by adam31 · · Score: 1
    dividing into four units to provide a clear direction for each.

    And we've all seen which direction that is.

  37. The 5th Unit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Leelo Time-Warner Multipass!

  38. Wow! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    Oh, the sweet, entertaining smell of a massive, corporate clusterfuck. :-)

    Edna! Whip up a batch of poppycorn. Dis here is gonna be a good one, yesiree bob!

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    --- Ban humanity.
  39. Which one is the CD-Company? by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is AOL (Access) or AOL (Audience) sending me these CDs?

    If YOU want to get rid of them send them to:
    No More AOL CDs!
    1601 Navellier St.
    El Cerrito CA, 94530
    U.S.A.

    http://www.nomoreaolcds.com/

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  40. Kramer is my Moviephone! by Man+in+Spandex · · Score: 1

    Why need aol moviefon when Kramer does a kickass job? (quote from memory)

    Kramer: If you know the name of the movie you'd like to see, press 1 now
    George: *press* Comon comon..
    Kramer: Using your touchtone pad, please press the first three letters of the movie now
    George: *presses*
    Kramer: You selected... Agent Zero, if that is correct press One
    George: .. what?
    Kramer: You selected... Brown Eyed Girl. If that is correct, press 1
    George: ..........
    Kramer: ... Why not just tell me the name of the movie you'd like to see!

  41. What it REALLY sounds like... by Jack9 · · Score: 1

    What it really sounds like is them deciding how to better divide the blame for lost subscriptions.

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    Everyone knows me.
  42. Restructuring means layoffs, consultants by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Restructuring seems to be the way Boards of Directors justifies layoffs, blaming the placement of the "walls" for poor performance, rather than looking at lacking innovation, morale, and business savvy.

    Besides the already-commented-about possibility of selling off parts, in this day and age the notion of dividing up divisions of a company differently just seems to fly in the face of the path of the enlightened employer of the 21st century.

    By segmenting into distinct groups, you facilitate the blame game and hamper communication. This kind of restructuring certainly isn't what you do to revitalize.

  43. CEO speak for I havn't done something in a while by IceFox · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This looks like your classic, need to make some noise and reshuffle the company while not actually doing anything with the company. A way for CEO's to justify their jobs. Just from the summery you can see massive crossover of the different units that will be the downfall of this massive re-org.

    "In the days ahead, when our transition to a new structure has been completed, we will have a streamlined organization with clear roles and responsibilities"

    In other words... "Well try this for a while to see if it works or now, I don't actually have a clue if it will or not". And in reality it is nothing more then a cover for...

    "especially at a time like this when we have announced plans for layoffs."

    In other words: "CEO bonus here I come!" And I can't leave out this jewel:

    "giving each [unit] responsibility for its own operations and financial performance."

    So you have developer x in group 1 and group 2 needs developers x skills, but they have to first put in a REQ and get financiall approval or even worse hiring a new person and meanwhile developer x sits around idly. I predict project slowdowns stock dropping and in 12 months a "New Plan".

    -Benjamin Meyer

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    Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
  44. Seriously. by sulli · · Score: 1

    Corporate reorgs are not usually front page material.

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    sulli
    RTFJ.
  45. Torturing the running man by tepples · · Score: 1

    You mean like this and this?

    (Background: "Drop Out" is one of the more challenging songs in Konami's Dance Dance Revolution, taking even more stamina than keeping up with nine chatterbox AOLers in IM conversations.)

  46. Slate Article by stubear · · Score: 1

    There's a great Slate article that discusses the problems AOL is having and how their new ads don't help matters any for them.

    1. Re:Slate Article by British · · Score: 1

      You have to admit the ad with Jerry Stiller and Snoop Dogg collecting CDs to make that fish art project was funny.

      It's an ad blatantly admitting to sending you excessive amounts of junk mail. At least the tins included later on were actually useful. I keep stickers in them.

      I wonder if that ad agency still has that contract with AOL.

  47. Huh? by JNighthawk · · Score: 1

    My geek instinct has been tapped by your mention of "Secret of Mana," yet I can find no relevence between your post and the story. This scares and confuses me.

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    Wheel in the sky keeps on turnin'.
    1. Re:Huh? by zowch · · Score: 1

      They split into parts. Like AOL, apparently.

    2. Re:Huh? by dykofone · · Score: 1

      I used em to level up, killing them at about the same rate they split. Yet I can't really find a way to link that anecdote very effectively to the story.

  48. netscape isp by cout · · Score: 1

    I heard an ad on the radio yesterday for netscape internet, for $9.95 a month (www.getnetscape.com). Apparently they are trying to compete with netzero. I wonder which of the 4 groups this will be a part of.

  49. Irrelevant by Peter_JS_Blue · · Score: 1

    I used to know lots of people on AOL but now I don't any. They have become totally irrelevant to the Internet.

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  50. Yay for splits by trilks · · Score: 1

    So instead of sucking a lot all in one, AOL will suck on a smaller scale 4 different times?

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  51. Article is incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 4 units will be named:
    - Overcharging
    - Limiting/Reducing Quality of Service
    - Cancellation Deflection/Avoidance
    - Demo CD Manufacturing and Distribution

    Not to worry, they will all be guided by AOL's core mission: TO SUCK!

  52. I care by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Funny

    You didn't care enough to RTFA, but you cared enough to post telling us how much you don't care. Thus showing us how much you do care. You care enough to not care, but are very passionate about your not caring. You want us to care that you don't care. Or perhaps you want us to care how much you care that you don't care? Well, buddy, I just wanted you to know that I care about wheather you wanted us to care about you not caring or wanted us to care about you caring about not caring. And I hope that everyone else cares about me caring about you either wanting us to care about you not caring or wanting us to care about you caring about you not caring. Just thought I'd write this to let you all know I care.

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    1. Re: I care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you bet we care a lot.

    2. Re: I care by Emot · · Score: 0
      All I'm doing is putting my hands up in the air and waving them around like I just don't care.

      Is that so wrong?

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    3. Re: I care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I am letting one all of you know that I don't care, except I'm posting AC and none of you will know who I am, and I don't care about that either.

  53. Justice At Last? by Gallenod · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently prayer does work, as AOL has finally drawn and quartered itself.

    Eventually, it will reduce itself to 64 small startup sized companies, 63 of which will fail. Just what I've always wanted to see: a living example of the DotCom bubble in reverse.

    What's next? Maybe Microsoft will join them in self-dismemberment?

    (Pray early, pray often...)

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    TLR

    A man no more knows his destiny than a tea leaf knows the history of the East India Company
  54. Wow! by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    Does this mean the stock will split too?

  55. Re:CEO speak for I havn't done something in a whil by Didion+Sprague · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I get it. This is like the "work" that Darryn Stevens used to do on "Bewitched" for Larry Tate. It's a kind of shuffling papers around, bringing home briefcases, and complaining to your wife that your "work" is "demanding". It's also an excuse to bring the "boss" home for dinner.

    Like Mr. Mooney on "I Love Lucy" and whatever Mike Brady's boss was called on "The Brady Bunch."

    (And what's Dick Van Dyke's boss called?)

    It's amazing how "work" is portrayed in these shows. (Whoops -- forgot about George Jetson's boss, too.) These idiot bosses who cause so much stress and marital stife.

    But when you actually grow older and sorta merge into one of these "offices" -- as a writer, developer, coder, programmer, manager, whatever -- you realize the dirty secret: that for fuck's sake, you *do* sign stupid forms and push paper from the inbox to the outbox and fret about your idiot boss. That Larry Tate hasn't gone anywhere -- he's just gotten a different bad suit.

    There's no mystery. Work is bullshit. Corporations are bullshit. You have meetings. You have "ten o'clocks". It's demoralizing. It saps your spirit. You look at old episodes of "Bewitched" and you scratch your head. Larry Tate is everywhere. "Mr. Tate, you have a couple minutes?"

    Why are we so fucking derferential to the instruments of our subordination? Fuck Larry Tate and his little narrow-cut Hagar slacks and his white shirts and black ties. Here's a fucking clue for our European friends, too: the new American religion is Larry Tate. It's always been Larry Tate. It's even Larry Tate for the right-wingers who think that what America needs is "moral values". The fucking red states? They're red because everybody doesn't understand that Larry Tate is fucking everywhere. I'll take your Islamic fundamentalism and raise you one big fucking Larry Tate. Sharia? That's right. "Mr. Tate, I'm so sorry, I'll never do it again." "You're right you won't do it again, Darryn, because you're fired." "But Mr. Tate." "But nothing. Goodbye, Darryn."

    Even Trump falls under the spell of Larry Tate.

    Bah.

  56. 4 part, easy!! by JamesP · · Score: 1


    One part is the A
    the other one is the O
    then the L
    and finally the null terminator...

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    how long until /. fixes commenting on Chrome?
  57. Where's a killdozer when you need one? by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    "We are going to try to be much crisper in decision-making," Miller said in an interview. "It is about having clarity of mission and purpose."

    Oh! Gosh! Is that what's it's all about? Thinking clearly? Damn! And here I was wasting my time with muddled thinking and piffly nonsense! Argh! Damn my simian decended brain! Why can't I be a being of pure knowledge like our glorious MBA annointed masters?

    And this guy probably makes 20 times my salary despite the fact that my job involves deep knowledge of the universe and has actually contributed to my employer's bottom line.

    Shit like this makes me want to go out and stab 20 people at random.

    AOL is apparently dividing into four units...

    I warned you! I warned you all! All you consultants with your 6 sigma plans and your lean production theories and your total quality management architectures! You have unleashed this process upon us, with your fishbone diagrams and SIPOC charts and homogeneity of variance tests!

    Four units?! And next month it'll split into 16 units, and then 64, then 256... By the 2008 presidental election battle between Hillary Clinton and Billy Graham, it'll fill the Known Universe with its foul stench! Doomed are we! Doomed, I tell you!

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    --- Ban humanity.
  58. Great, 4 more Cd's a day by VonGuard · · Score: 2, Funny

    As if I wasn't getting enough free CD's in my mailbox, now I'll get four a day instead of simply 1.

    Now That's progress.

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    Don't Crease the Weasel!
  59. go go by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Coaster Rangers, those mighty table-protectin' coaster ray-ain-gers. Come on, you know the AOL buddy is really the Yellow Ranger. Wow, AOL might be trying to gain Real Power, since they are becoming more like space Ninjas and all with the four forming parts.

  60. delaying the inevitable... by m2bord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the folks at aol are going to have to face the reality that dialup is just not as relevant as it once was.

    there are many ways to connect to the net and bypass their filtered system and filtered content.

    their software cannot be controlled (it downloads updates on its own), their model is becoming obsolete, and their subscriber base has always been the un-net-educated.

    as users become more sophisticated, they move away from aol because aol is incapable of providing that next step of service.

    if tw/aol had any brains they would've combined the tw road runner service with aol from the get-go and then let you switch to earthlink or the other online companies.

    by allowing broadband customers the ability to completely bypass the software and connect to the net, tw sealed aol's fate.

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    Is it 5:30 yet?
  61. It has a vulnerability by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    Just like Superman has Kryptonite, its Archilles heel is SPAM

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    It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
  62. AOL Europe? by jxyama · · Score: 2, Funny
    now that it stands on its own, it sounds even more contradictory :

    America Online Europe

    (i know, i know, no one in Europe really needs to know what "A" in "AOL" stands for...)

    1. Re:AOL Europe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, they've had AOL Canada for a long time.

    2. Re:AOL Europe? by ebuck · · Score: 1

      I know, I know, but AOL Canada makes sense.

      It's not USAOL, and the U.S. of A. hasn't registered the trademark for America (at least not yet).

      How egocentric must a country be to confuse issues so badly that they refer to a couple of continents as themselves? It's so mind boggling at times to be a U.S. Citizen, especially in these days.

    3. Re:AOL Europe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now that it stands on its own, it sounds even more contradictory :
      America Online Europe

      (i know, i know, no one in Europe really needs to know what "A" in "AOL" stands for...)

      Wow, we have found a group, who are even more clueless than AOL users -> AOLE users (or is pronounced AhOLE?)

    4. Re:AOL Europe? by dapyx · · Score: 1

      You know, Canada is on the American continent.

      --
      I'm sorry, the number you have dialed is an imaginary number. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and dial again.
    5. Re:AOL Europe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, and amusingly enough, it wasn't US Citizens who did that first (called us Americans)... it was Europeans (more specifically the British to begin with, though the French did too), who thought our name too cumbersome, and simply shortened it to the closest thing to a "country name" we had.

      We're arrogant enough about other things, so you don't have to go laying even more blame at our door.

  63. The name is AOL by BortQ · · Score: 1

    Is Time Warner part of any of those divisions?

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  64. netscape isp and IE by cout · · Score: 1

    BTW, I found their fine print a bit funny:

    *Web Accelerator can load certain Web page text and graphics faster than with a standard 56k dial-up Internet service. Actual speeds may vary. **Pop-up Blocker requires Internet Explorer® 5.5 or higher. *** E-mail acceleration may not be compatible with certain computer systems.

  65. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  66. Power Rangers!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, you kids... It's all about the mighty Voltron(s). Power Rangers just ripped off the idea of 5 robots joining together to form one big robot.

    1. Re:Power Rangers!? by dosius · · Score: 1

      They ripped off a lot more than that. Ever heard of Kyoryusentai Zyuranger?

      Moll.

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      What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
  67. Uh Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always refer to AOL as AOHell long before it was cliche. Looks like we now have the four horsemen

  68. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  69. Re:CEO speak for I havn't done something in a whil by praxis · · Score: 1

    Pretty depressing. Let me life people's spirits. I work for a large software company. I love my job. The code I write is new and interesting, real R&D. My teamates are almost all bi-lingual, many tri-lingual or better. Our meetings are few. I can close the door to my office and write code however I want. We have little paper shuffling. Direction comes down from the top, status goes up from the bottom, and ideas come from anywhere in the organization. The tools we use are our own business, whatever makes us most productive. Our hours are flexible. The projects are challenging. Our pay is above average and the benefits are in the top tier of companies nationwide. I love my job. It's nothing like that portrayed above. I guess it all depends on what you find.

  70. Re:Horsemen of the Apocalypse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  71. Nothing but a shell game again. by nomad63 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First consolidation was "IN". They gobbled up Time warner to become AOL-Time Warner. Then consolidation became "OUT" concept and they were spun off after being blamed for being the loss leader of the group. Now they are splitting into smaller pieces, to merge again in the future.. Story never changes. AOL is the same behemoth despite however many pieces you divide or adjoin it. It is just for a Wall Street only show. Nothing for you and me, the Joe/Jane the customer in it. We are not invited to see the play.

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  72. Increase Profits!!! by OneSlowG35 · · Score: 0

    If they would just stop producing those millions of cds and sending them to the world and focus on keeping there 20+ Million customers they would be ok...

  73. AOL/Atari = Time-Warner's B*tch by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    This seems to be what big corps do from time to time to regain a few points in the market.

    Remember way back when, when Atari (then owned by Warner), was split into the Arcade, Home Computer, and Consoles divisions? Did it change anything? Not really. Atari still died a slow, horrible death - although at least the new owners of the name help it sorta live on...

    But Time-Warner certainly aren't the only ones who do this. I've watched G.E. spilt up divisions, only to put them back together again in six months time.

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  74. hopefully this doesn't mean 4 times the CDs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the bright side now we'll be able to enjoy watching AOL go out of business four times instead of just once.

  75. And what about division 6? by eobanb · · Score: 1

    "Ha," says the state trooper. "There is no Division Six."

    FLASH!

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    Take off every sig. For great justice.

  76. This really is not that bad by smashin234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although restructuring is a ceo's task to cover someone else's butt or his(traditionally)

    This may actually be beneficial to aol. AOL has always been the ISP for the internet newbie, and if the reorganization can help their broadband division actually give good services that are worth paying for, they may stick around.

    As of now, their broadband and dial-up services have different aims, and you can not really keep those two together in the same division. AOL has got to step up and deliver a broadband service that gives something for the money you pay them.

    They have started with the spyware removal and other neat things that work well for the busy family who does not have time to do that themselves. But they really need to seperate this service from their dial-up service. It is distinctly different in terms of scope. I looked it up because a friend of mine wanted to switch to broadband. He thought that AOL actually offered a broadband connection for $9.99 a month. After I told him what it did, he was still confused and couldn't figure out why someone would pay for that. Of course, he is a little ignorant of the net, but if he can not understand the need for this, a lot of potential user's out there also do not understand what AOL's broadband service is. This may be why AOL needs to seperate its two different services, because I have a feeling lots of ppl here also do not know what their broadband servoce is exactly. Maybe a seperate division will help distinguish what these two entities are exactly.

    But in reality, I do not see the purpose of them dividing up into four seperate divisions instead of just the two. I guess this is what happens when corporate america has someone in their elitist circle that they need to protect from losing their 40 hour a week paid solitaire playing job. Or maybe four is the CEO's lucky number....

  77. Tips ahoy! by Pentultimate+Aeon · · Score: 0, Troll

    Some tips for the boys and girls at AOL:

    1. A commercial showing 19 gazillion people lining up outside your corporate headquarters to complain is probably, how shall I say, ill-advised?

    2. Speaking of which, I've got a idea on how you can make the Internet better: Stop undermining your own product *cough*Netscape*cough*. Next thing you know, they'll be telling their subscribers that they have to use the MSN front-end to access the AOL service.

    3. If you're in Europe, then you're sure the heck not America Online are you, cheesedick? Rename that division. America's stock in the world isn't too high right now, so make the A stand for something else. I know this has been pointed out ad infinitum, but I think it bears repeating since the geniuses over there obviously haven't caught on yet.

    4. Be a uniter, not a divider. Please merge with another company and finally collapse under your own weight, already. What good is splitting up in four gonna do?

    5. Newsflash: Joining AOL is not like joining the mob. People can get out and go to a competitor if they want. They don't have to explain themselves to you. Don't like people signing up for the free trial than canceling before they have to pay? Costing you too much? Aww poor babies, let me go cry you a tear or two. Guess what, when you try that marketing bullshit, them's the breaks.

    You can look at reorganizing and restructuring and all that jazz till you're blue in the face, but there comes a time to look within and come to terms with your own irrelevance. Getting onto the "Internets" isn't tough anymore. People are catching on.

    Adapt or die. Preferably the latter.

  78. divide and conquer by jafac · · Score: 2

    I've been around the whole dotcom phenomenon long enought to recognize this very typical tactic.

    When a company divides into independent units, that means that they're prepping a division for sale or dismantlement.
    Typically, you'll see a geographical component to the division, so that ties can be severed cleanly, and there's more of a financial gain (facilities expense goes away, HR effort to maintain the separate health insurance, legal climante, tax burden, etc. goes away).

    The function of whichever unit goes, will be outsourced.

    If you're an employee of one of these units, start looking for the danger signs.

    Is the cost of living in your region higher than others?
    Did the higher-up officers at your site relocate to some other site?
    Do they remodel other sites, but not yours?
    Do they fail to change the lightbulbs when they burn out?
    Did they close your site's cafeteria?
    Did they eliminate your onsite IT group in favor of "remote support"?
    Do officers visit less and less frequently to share corporate news or policy?
    Is there a hiring freeze at your location?
    When was the last time you got a new desktop machine?
    When was the last time you got training?
    Does your site have a security presence 24x7?

    Funniest bit is when they retag all the assets. Then in future years, you know your site is next when you get all the assets from the first site they shut down, with their old asset tags.

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    These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
  79. I miss the old floppy disk AOL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to get dozens of the floppies and format them. These CDs are nigh on useless... if only they had the common decency to not close the disc session! (AFAIK, the new AOL CDs are mass burned, not stamped).

    1. Re:I miss the old floppy disk AOL... by Pierce · · Score: 1

      But the DVD style cases are useful, I just remove the AOL insert and stickers then re-use the cases.

  80. Everybody in Unit 3, kindly tie your shoes... by Roxton · · Score: 1

    This is hilarious. Putting people in the Access unit is a great way of telling them that it's high time they started writing up their respective resumés.

  81. For the foreigners by ViolentGreen · · Score: 1

    AOL Europe (for the foreigners)

    Was that supposed to be funny?

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    1. Re:For the foreigners by unsupported · · Score: 1

      Yes. Yes it was.

      -Un

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    2. Re:For the foreigners by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      Personaly, it find it funny that europeans would log into America Online, but that's just me. Or is it called Europe Online across the pond, and you're all just left wondering why your email adresses are @aol?

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    3. Re:For the foreigners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      damnit, forgot to close the bold tag.

  82. 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse Networks, Inc. by gelfling · · Score: 1

    That will be their new name.

  83. I always wanted to see AOL be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  84. Appropriate? by mveloso · · Score: 1

    "AOL est omnis divisa in partes quattuor" /sorry julius

  85. AOL is a low rent commodity by wheelbarrow · · Score: 1

    What do they offer over and above plain vanilla internet access?

  86. Bizarre product name??? by Nutria · · Score: 1
    What kind of name is this?

    America Online Europe


    Why isn't it the rational:

    Europe Online

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    1. Re:Bizarre product name??? by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1
      Because it's not.

      It's been this way for years, probably close to a decade. AOL Europe really isn't anything new.

    2. Re:Bizarre product name??? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      It's been this way for years, probably close to a decade. AOL Europe really isn't anything new.

      I know it's not new. It's still bizarre.

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      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
  87. Mmmm.... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

    Create four layers of bureaucracy, management, and infrastructure where there used to be only one?!

    It sort of makes since if Time/Warner wants AOL to fail as an excuse to dump it. But for any other reason, it makes no sense to me.

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    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
    1. Re:Mmmm.... by Tassach · · Score: 1
      nah, the four subdivision will be called:
      1. Ministry of Truth
      2. Ministry of Plenty
      3. Minstry of Peace
      4. Ministry of Love
      And they'll put big posters of Steve Case up everywhere, as well as webcams in every room
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    2. Re:Mmmm.... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

      So basically AOL is going to spin off into four separate Goth bands?!

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      If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  88. who cares? by juan2074 · · Score: 1
    What does this do for AOL? Is it just to have four different bureaucracies to increase the management ranks? Seems pointless.

    AOL could have subdivided into two divisions just as easily. Why not just call the two divisions alpha and bravo company?

  89. "AOL Europe (for the foreigners)" by yourassisowned · · Score: 0

    foreigners?????

    typical uneducated, arrogant americans. when will you realize the world is bigger than your backdoor??

    1. Re:"AOL Europe (for the foreigners)" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      In our defense, some of us are partially educated.

    2. Re:"AOL Europe (for the foreigners)" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yourassisowned@the-police.com

    3. Re:"AOL Europe (for the foreigners)" by pclminion · · Score: 1
      when will you realize the world is bigger than your backdoor??

      When will you realize that Slashdot is inherently a US website? Why do you think the "Politics" Slashdot Logo has an AMERICAN FLAG on it?

      If you don't like it, go start EuroSlash or something.

  90. Unit Renamed by PMuse · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bulletin: On instructions from the US Dept of Homeland Security, AOL has agreed to rename its AOL Europe unit. In accordance with Bush Administration Policy, the unit will now be known as EOL (for the foreigners).

    See you on the game grid,
    MCP

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  91. Business school lesson by BattleTroll · · Score: 3, Funny

    A newly appointed CEO has a conversation with the man he is replacing. The new guy asks, "what advice can you give me?". The old dog opens up a drawer and pulls out three envelopes.

    "When you get into trouble the first time, open up letter number one and do what it tells you. When it happens again, use letter number two. And when it happens the third time, read letter number three."

    With that, the old dog laughs and walks out the building.

    A month later the new CEO is on the hotseat for missing the quarterly EPS mark. Right before the earnings conference call he reads letter number one - 'Blame me'. So the new CEO goes to the mike, blames the old CEO for bad management, and everyone walks away optimistic.

    Three months later, the new CEO is on the hotseat again. He reads letter number two - 'Reorganize' So the new CEO tells everyone that the company is going to do a massive reorganization "to realign our business units with our core market paradigms.". The reporters grumble but accept the idea that the company is now on the right track.

    Three months later, the new CEO is yet again facing major difficulties. He reads the last letter. 'Get three envelopes.'

    *buhbumpbump*

    1. Re:Business school lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figured someone would post that joke in here.

      I'm just amazed that it wasn't one of the first few posts.

  92. Disorganization by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    AOL announced the other day, a new logo... pretty much the AOL logo on it's side.

    AOL logo has 3 corners... so they create 4 divisions.

    Just shows how well thought out and planned AOL is.

    It's an F***ing mess.

  93. ha ha ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You could not see them anywhere on the "plain" Internet."

    No, you had to go to the "plain" TV to see that crap.

  94. Where's Group 5? by mfifer · · Score: 2, Funny

    n00Bs?

    Oh wait. Never mind...

  95. I thought it would be... by maddogdelta · · Score: 1

    1. AOL 2. Me Too 3. Me Too 4. ME TOO (OMGLOL!)

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  96. And the members respond-- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Me too!
    Me too!
    Me too!
    Me too!

  97. aol = internet according to commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you mean the internet will be split into four groups?

  98. The crap kingdom is dividing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amatuers On Line is restructuing? Maybe they should divide up this way:
    Department of crap distribution - sends out coasters
    Department of crap-consumer ananysis - finds out where the technically inept live so as to send them coasters
    Department of ignorance - in most businesses, known as the "help desk"
    Department of Chasing Pipe Dreams - Here, AOL attempts to do what everyone else has already done much better and earlier: broadband, VOIP, etc.
    I truly detest AOL. I had them for free for a couple of months, and I quickly learned to minimize their app and just open my web browser or mIRC or whatever. Talk about annoying. I think Adaware should classify the AOL app as adware and delete it.
    Also, I DO NOT ACCEPT AOL CDs. I write "Refused - Return to Sender" on them and ship them right back to the crap kingdom.

  99. Re:Quick Question... (ATHF reference) by Laebshade · · Score: 1

    Meatwad: Quick question here... is it zesty ranch flavored?
    Frylock: No, it's bean flavored.
    Meatwad: Yuck city, have fun eating it, because I'm eating this.

  100. six million AOL Europe subscribers by westlake · · Score: 1
    Yeah, I can sure see America Online doing well in Europe.

    6.3 million subscribers (Sept 30th) Time Warner Plans for Settlement

  101. The REAL Question by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: 1

    But the real question we should be asking is: Will any of the four parts cease to suck?

    1. Re:The REAL Question by tonsofpcs · · Score: 1

      Well, does this mean that the AOL unit of Time Warner is splitting into 4, or that AOL/Time Warner as a whole will split into 4?? If the latter, then one of the parts should cease to suck [as much] because it would be Time Warner alone.

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      The best thing about buying a Mac -- AOL is not included.

  102. seiken densetsu 2 uber alles!!! by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    N'est pas?

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  103. And then... by musicman2059 · · Score: 0

    Soon, I think they're going to need a fifth deparment: Solely to hold all the virtual crap they put out onto the Internet.

    America Online: So easy to use, no wonder the internet's virtual sewers are overflowing with virtual crap!

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  104. It kinda strikes one... by carlmenezes · · Score: 1

    ... in the same way as some posionous bacterial cell division process does, wouldn't u say?

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  105. Your sig by Teun · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Conservatives: Kill murderers, save children.
    Liberals: Kill children, save murderers.

    Hmm, dreaming again?

    In the Real World:
    Conservatives: Fuck the Kyoto treaty, let the kids suffer.
    Liberals: Decrease the deficit, tax the super rich.

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  106. Correction: by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Winamp -> Nullsoft

    Also, don't forget some interesting partial stakes/alliances:
    American Express
    AT&T (through TCI)

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  107. Not true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The MSN division has continually lost money since it's inception.

    1. Re:Not true. by zemoo · · Score: 1

      MSN recently came to profitability (for example: here. This has always been the plan. Which company is not out to make money??

  108. I've got the scoop in this one... by Blacklantern · · Score: 1

    The four new units of AOL will be..

    War
    Famine
    Pestilence
    Death

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    "There is only a one in six billion chance that you actually exist"
  109. AOL Splits by dazedagain · · Score: 1

    If you take a cow patty and split it into say, five parts, does that make it less a cow patty?

  110. AOL Europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "AOL Europe (for the foreigners)"

    Watch who you're calling foreigner, pardner!

  111. So, who wants to bet that this will result in by melted · · Score: 1

    INSANELY MASSIVE layoffs? These days it seems every business decision results in massive layoffs, and the major ones result in major layoffs.

    1. Re:So, who wants to bet that this will result in by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      Yup do the math. Very typical american corporate practice.

      4 divisions = 4 x the layoffs

  112. Classic business strategy by serutan · · Score: 1

    This is a classic strategey called Divide and Conquer.

    Oh, wait. Never mind.

  113. Re:CEO speak for I havn't done something in a whil by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
    (And what's Dick Van Dyke's boss called?)

    Alan Brady

    (Whoops -- forgot about George Jetson's boss, too.)

    Cosmo S. Spacely

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    Not since Marie-Antoinette played milkmaid has looking simple and honest been so fake and complicated.
  114. Bisk Poetry by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
    Aol is sucks!!!!!!what you can do with ther cd rom bisk

    cost to mutch
    it suck
    no good
    send to many disk.
    Me and my friends took a bisk and lit it on fire and froze it
    slamed it angaisnt the boor.

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    Not since Marie-Antoinette played milkmaid has looking simple and honest been so fake and complicated.
  115. Now if only Microsoft would do the same by keryeski · · Score: 1

    We would have Internet Explorer, Halo, Windows, and MSN. Each company could compete to achieve the highest suck factor.

  116. Re:EOL, AOL Canada by birdman17 · · Score: 1
    In Canada it's call AOL Canada

    When I worked at AOL a few years ago (ack!) I heard that AOL Canada was doing quite poorly due to the negative associations that Canadians have with "America", notwithstanding the elsewhere-mentioned point that, technically, "America" != "USA"...

    Side note on working at AOL: All AOL employees are (or at least were) required to have AOL accounts. There's no such thing as a free AOL account, even for employees (!), so when the company I worked for was acquired, we were told that we had to sign up for AOL accounts with our own personal credit cards. The vague plan was that we would be reimbursed by the company for the bills. Several of my co-workers believed them, signed up with their personal credit cards, and were then stuck with the well-known hassle of trying to get out of paying AOL once they have your credit information. Some of us, including myself, knew about AOL's legendary billing exploits, and signed up with a dummy credit account that was created for this purpose. I've never had any billing problems with my AOL account. :)

  117. Bah, four units... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    My proposal would be:
    • AOL
    • Time Warner
    • Netscape
    • Compuserve
  118. I like Larry Tate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think about it.

    They never really get stuff done.

    They drink all the time at work and at home.

    Home is worse, because they have a wife who's cooped up all day with 2 kids.

    So two guys hanging out together, pretending to work, dressing up, getting bombed 5 days a week. They drive nice cars, probably get some on the side (not shown in a 60's sitcom), drive the coolest commercials, and when he needs help from the little woman, she's literally a witch who would love to do anything for him, but he stops her. And you know the wives are naggy, but get bombed too, so that if you get bored and want to do the witch in the ass, she is *not* going to say "take it slow".

    Sounds pretty fine to me.

  119. Re:Horsemen of the Apocalypse? by identity0 · · Score: 1

    "... and the Lord said, 'Behold, for my wrath upon the world shall be released as a flood of shiny platic discs that shall overwhelm the unbelievers and bury them in free trial offers. Repent! In 30 days! Or thine free account shall expire and thou shalt be condemned to the fires of MSN.'" - The Revelation of Steven Case 12:03

  120. More Coasters by cintyram · · Score: 1

    ha!! now well get four times as many :)

  121. We talk funny? by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
    They still talk funny though. ;)

    At least we didn't elect someone who uses resignate and subliminabable as words.

    ;)

    1. Re:We talk funny? by DikSeaCup · · Score: 1
      In my defense, I didn't vote for him.

  122. Your Sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And to this day, you still not marked me as a FOE and yet I mock you everytime.

  123. Just a small nit. by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    C-Span is funded entirely by the cable industry. So, to be precise it's your cable bill paying for it all.

  124. so... for ICQ... by Pan+Sola · · Score: 1

    does it go in "Audience" with the AIM group, or does it go in "Europe" with the foreigners group??? I hope they had split into FIVE groups, the fifth being "Mirabilis Ltd"... the good old OLD days... sigh.

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    Warning: Sig Fault. Dumping warp core.
  125. Limiting Liability by ThorntonAZ · · Score: 1

    Maybe this is not just for hype but limiting liability. Is this just going to be 4 departments, if so nothing has changed. But if they are making 4 entities then I see it as a move to limit liability.

  126. India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot the 5th. AOL india. ala Call-centres. Been speaking to those swine for hours now..."Just put me through to your manager! I assue you i know your script off by heart."

  127. No Mo' Free CD's? by No+Fortune · · Score: 1

    Does this mean I'll stop receiving those annoying AOL CD's in the mail?

  128. Triangle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else find it ironic that a company who's symbol is a triangle got split into 4 parts?