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How Computers Work... in 1971

prostoalex writes "A recent submission to my free tech books site included a title that I thought many Slashdotters would enjoy. How It Works: The Computer (published 1971 and re-published 1979) is an exciting look into this new thing called computer. The site presents the scanned pages of 1971 and 1979 editions, and you can see how the page on computer code changes over 8 years from punchcards exclusively to magnetic tapes."

353 comments

  1. exercise caution... by Jrod5000+at+RPI · · Score: 2, Funny

    for everything even remotely related to computation is the intellectual property of SC0.

    1. Re:exercise caution... by bmalnad · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Come on moderators... why does this guy get a (-1, troll) and the guy who said "you'll have SCO on your ass, you're distributing their code." a few lines down gets a (5, funny)? Mod parent up. His was funnier... and first.

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  2. Careful... by ideatrack · · Score: 5, Funny

    you'll have SCO on your ass, you're distributing their code.

  3. Sweet by hcob$ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now let me go get my soldering iron, a trained monkey and a monitor I can get a tan from and we got it made. The monkey is for fetching stuff and "debugging" btw..... (hands monkey a hammer)

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    1. Re:Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea a room full of monkeys chewing on punch cards will eventually produce... argg never mind.

    2. Re:Sweet by Graemee · · Score: 1

      SCO source code

    3. Re:Sweet by the_mad_poster · · Score: 1

      Be sure to keep a spare scratch monkey....

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    4. Re:Sweet by Rev+Wally · · Score: 1

      Windows?

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    5. Re:Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "spare scratch monkey" is redundent. It is either a "spare monkey" or "scratch monkey". Unless of course you really are clumsy enough to need two scratch monkeys, and you keep one on the shelf back at the main site.

  4. funny... by slorge · · Score: 1, Funny

    Looks like a laundromat to me.

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    1. Re:funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when I was first getting into the work force, there were two basic types of disk drives where I worked: washing machines and pizza ovens. The washing machines were top-loading; the pizza ovens were loaded in drawers that slid out from a large rack. The disks (which consisted of 3-10 exposed platters on a spindle) were 100 MB, 300 MB, and 600 MB, and were huge and heavy.

  5. General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I recently met someone I hadn't seen in twenty years. He used to be a programmer where I worked and now he's teaching at a college.

    He told me that his students call him 'the old fart' and accuse him of being antiquated. I told him that the solution was to prefix anything he said with the word 'embedded'. All of the stuff that he used to do on mini-computers in the seventies is exactly what we are doing on chips today. In fact some chips have exactly the same architecture as the minis that he used to program. Plus ca change ...

    1. Re:General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just what I was thinking. Seriously, if we'd start kids off with a book like this they might grow up with a better understanding that it's just a machine and it can't read your mind.

      This principle is not just for technical works, either. I recently happened upon a copy of George Fischer's "Your Career in Computers" (Meredith Press, 1968[!]). The chapter list reads almost like a modern IT-career tome: "A computer in your life", "For high school grads", "From Wall Street to Main Street", "Opportunities in government", etc.

    2. Re:General principles don't change by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      General Principles dont change and sometimes Retro Prinicpals come back. While the concept on how binary computer work havn't change much many solutions may have. But it is funny when a tech company comes up with this "new" method of doing somthing how long does it take before "the old fart" to go oh I have seen this approach before it was used on this so and so system for this. It actually worked good then but they fased it out because this other method was faster. But now that computers are maginitude faster then this old method should be great because of its added so and so. Actually if you look at some of the old technology I am amiased on some of the methods that they used to acomplish the taskes. And how today many of them are done a lot easier.

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    3. Re:General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if I see the Retro Principle of correct grammar and spelling coming back, I'll let you know.

    4. Re:General principles don't change by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny
      He told me that his students call him 'the old fart' and accuse him of being antiquated. I told him that the solution was to prefix anything he said with the word 'embedded'.

      And in his next lecture, he teached the following:

      Now, we type this onto embedded punch cards and put it into the embedded mainframe. The embedded program will then run, and finally the embedded printer will print the embedded result.
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    5. Re:General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you can write your programs without having your IDE do 90% of your work for you then you are in that "old fart" category.

      Naw, you're wasting your time. Computers today have more disk space, memory, and processing power than ever before. I am going back to take an intro Information Systems programming class that uses Visual Basic exclusively (don't laugh, need the concentration area credit for a CS degree) and I amazed what you can do with that little Visual Studio .Net GUI builder. It makes it so much easier than screwing around trying to build GUIs by hand. I can whip together a database client program in minutes instead of hours now.

    6. Re:General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insight is obtained by listening to a persons views even if you do not agree with it. -Me

      Look - you must be a pretty prolific poster because I've seen that "quote" a lot recentely. And I have to say, it's bugging the shit outta me. The sentiment is good, but would it hurt you to proofread?

      First of all, "person's", not "persons".

      Then, your last pronoun - "it" - doesn't match anything else in your sentence. Either you're disagreeing with the person, in which case it's "him" or "her," or more likely you're disagreeing with the views, in which case it's "them."

      Come on Bob!

    7. Re:General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I use an IDE for bash and perl scripts ..... it's called vi. You press ctrl+alt+f1, launch pico and save your stuff with esc : w {note, no q}. Then press ctrl+alt+f2, and run your script. You can flick between the editor and the execution environment anytime with ctrl+alt+f[12].

    8. Re:General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah shit, mixing my editors, it's ctrl+O in pico obviously. Or esc : w in vi. At least I do know how to use more than one editor.

    9. Re:General principles don't change by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      Bein a student, your goal should be understanding things.

      When you click together an application in Visual studio, that may be nice for verifying an understandign that you already got, but it is not going to give you much understanding in itself, unlike writing the same program by hand.

      So, for you as student, writing by hand is a lot more effective in many cases because it actually helps accomplishing the goal.

    10. Re:General principles don't change by EvilBudMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      and I would like to add..

      Introduction to Microcomputers
      Adam Osborne

      was written in 1979 and can still teach some things. I wish I new who I loaned my old copy out to.

    11. Re:General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had EXACTLY the same thought though no the same book. I cut my 'digital teeth' on a book by Adam Osborne. It explained the inner workings of digital electronics and was published in the early 70's. Alas I too loaned the book out and have never seen it since. Adam Osborne's style of writing caught me just right and drew me into a mundane topic and made it real to me for the very first time. The rest is myster.... er history.

    12. Re:General principles don't change by hey! · · Score: 1

      I won't laugh. VB has its place.

      Microsoft's IDEs are quite good; they have to be, because they have the proverbial task of polishing a turd.

      As much as we might hate to admit it, there is a place for quick, mediocre work in this world, and MS IDE technology makes it possible to acheive this with their core technologies of Win32 API and MFC.

      However on a reasonably sane system, developing the kind of interfaces you can easily make in MS's IDE is not rocket science at all.

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    13. Re:General principles don't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...and save your stuff with esc : w {note, no q}.

      That's Ctrl-x Ctrl-s, you savage.

    14. Re:General principles don't change by Kethinov · · Score: 2, Funny

      Quoth a student, "When the fuck does this embedded class end again?"

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  6. Is this... by ^Case^ · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...what you call old news?

    1. Re:Is this... by plover · · Score: 5, Funny
      I think it's more like "News for Old Nerds. Stuff that Used to Matter."

      Anyway, the big advantage of this book is that it may show some of you kids the kind of drivel we had to learn from back then. :-)

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    2. Re:Is this... by De+Lemming · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is my personal opinion, but I think you can't blame the /. editors for not checking for duplicates if the previous article is 33 years old.

    3. Re:Is this... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1
      While many of the concepts (such as CPU registers, shift registers, binary notation, and general CPU architecture) are still relevant, it's funny how much emphasis texts from this era put into explaining specific implentations of technology (I/O, storage, output), which have changed radically since then.

      For example, introductory computer courses these days don't spend 50% of the class explaining how SDRAM or LCD flat panels work, or the details of GMR HDD technology. Why the focus on core memory, punch cards, and magnetic drum storage? :)

    4. Re:Is this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because back then, this was new. There were no assumptions made as to what people might know.

    5. Re:Is this... by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      Why the focus on core memory, punch cards, and magnetic drum storage?

      Back then you may have had to write your code to squeeze more performance out of the hardware. Knowing the relative speeds and delays of the hardware was sometimes useful. Knowing how punch cards worked was helpful when using them...particularly if you edited a card. It was also helpful for everyone near magnetic tapes and exposed magnetic disk packs to know why it was important to keep the air clean, and at least put the cigarette in the ashtray.

    6. Re:Is this... by plover · · Score: 1
      Except now, it's almost unimportant to know this stuff.

      Many CSci majors being cranked out these days don't know what the technology is behind the hardware. RAM is something you buy sticks of, and your technology choices there are PC-2100 or PC-3200. Some of the more technical people can tell you what SPD means and what it does, fewer are be able to explain why there are different delays or clock timings. And even fewer are able to explain WHY memory needs refreshing, because they don't know the nature of the electronic actions on the chip.

      That said, how many CSci majors will actually need to know this? Think about it -- a computer still "works" whether or not you understand how bits are stored as tiny amounts of stray capacitance, or if the bits are stored as magnetic fields in ferrous donuts threaded on tiny wires.

      Of course if you're a serious overclocker, you'll learn more about refresh and how to push the timings to eke the best possible performance out of every component. In order to take full advantage of any system, full knowledge of the system is required, regardless of whether we're discussing computers or cars or boats. But this detailed knowledge now is relegated to EE majors, not CSci majors.

      Personally, I don't like the thought of computer scientists having no understanding of the physical processes occuring inside their computer cabinets. I think anyone who wants to be taken seriously should understand this stuff to some degree. But it's certainly not required in order to use a computer, and I don't think it's even being taught any more except in the most general sense of "this is RAM, this is disk, any questions?"

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    7. Re:Is this... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      But it's certainly not required in order to use a computer, and I don't think it's even being taught any more except in the most general sense of "this is RAM, this is disk, any questions?"

      I agree with your assessment, and I would find the "wiring core memory"-type dissertation appropriate for expert texts of that era, such as what a programmer would use. The part that stikes me as funny, is that they have this low-level information in a lot of introductory texts. Sure, this is a line-printer, here's a punch card, and here's how to build your own core memory! Hilarious :)

  7. Re:How Slashdot Works... in FireFox. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    works fine for me, you using the release version 1.0?

  8. Student Flashback by Burb · · Score: 4, Informative
    When starting an Electronics degree course in 1981 (was it really so long ago, sigh) the lecturers recommended this book as a start point for anyone who had no idea about computers.

    I presume it was the 79 edition they recommended.

    What a lovely nostalgia trip. Thanks!

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    1. Re:Student Flashback by madprof · · Score: 1

      My mother used to buy me lots of Ladybird books when I was very young in the hope I'd read them and learn lots (sorry to make you feel old :) however I think I'd have skipped over this one when 5 years old. ;)
      Reading it now shows how valuable these books really were. If only I had had more of an interest! Might have learned something...

    2. Re:Student Flashback by SenatorOrrinHatch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find it interesting that no present student programming textbook that I have ever seen states so clearly: "In fact, computers do not have brains and they cannot really think for themselves." Actually, it seems to me that present AI researchers (at least the ones I've read and met) try to reject this idea. Of course, on their side, there is the fact that brains, insofar as they are physical objects, can be simulated by computers.

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    3. Re:Student Flashback by Burb · · Score: 1

      Actually, the one that really changed my life was "Magnets, Bulbs and Batteries" which I was given in the early 1970s.... Basic Electrical engineering principles for kids! Electromagnets ... parallel and serial bulb wiring ... switches ... electroplating ... wonderful stuff.

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    4. Re:Student Flashback by acey72 · · Score: 1

      >however I think I'd have skipped over this one when 5 years old. ;)

      I didn't - so I guess that's why I'm here :)

      AC.

      P.S. Somewhere I (read - my parents) still have that book, the '71 edition, I remember the cover.

    5. Re:Student Flashback by x0n · · Score: 1

      When I was 6 years old -- I'm 30 now -- my wise old headmaster noticed that I had an interest in all things electrical and he promised me that exact book (the 1979 edition) if I "pulled my socks up" in my studies. As hard as it was, I stopped acting like a 6 year old for a week (throwing stuff, joking, laughing, ignoring lessons), and I was rewarded. I thought I'd never see it again; that headmaster and his gift of that book put me on track for a long and fascinating career in programming. I started coding on a zx80 barely two years later, basic of course. Nostalgia overload... I'm going to mirror and burn those pages and images onto a CD straight away!

      - Oisin

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    6. Re:Student Flashback by Audacious · · Score: 1

      It reminded me of when I worked at a University in the computing department. The shocker is - I went back a year or so ago and they were still using the same machines!

      Still, I used to be a tape ape and a disk hugger/lugger. I well remember the salesman's answer to "I thought we were getting a color monitor." It was "It is a color monitor. Black and white!" Oh yeah....one of THOSE kinds of sales men.

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  9. just a theory, but ... by lottameez · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think CmdrTaco is showing us the instruction booklet for the /. webserver

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    1. Re:just a theory, but ... by cathouse · · Score: 1

      In this context wouldn't the last word in your sig be Tandy ?

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    2. Re:just a theory, but ... by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      I doubt anyone with an 800000+ UID would get that joke...

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    3. Re:just a theory, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not, because being new to Slashdot also means being new to THE COMPUTER REVOLUTION.

      Fucktard.

    4. Re:just a theory, but ... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      My first computer was a TRS-80 Model I with a whopping 4K of RAM :)

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    5. Re:just a theory, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Me too! And it think it was in the mid 70s that I got it. The magnetic tape drive made me nostalgic.

      And, truth be told, were you happy when you finished typing in the pages of BASIC to produce "Fire When Ready, Gridley"?

    6. Re:just a theory, but ... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Yup. It was really nice to program in a language that only utilized the first two characters of a variable name. Who needs Hungarian notation?

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    7. Re:just a theory, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually that's a hypothesis, not a theory.

    8. Re:just a theory, but ... by lottameez · · Score: 1

      Oh, I get it alright. Trash-80's etc....The first machine I ever owned was a TI-99 tho. That was livin'!

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  10. Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My first thought when I saw this picture was:

    "Honey, what's this magnetic tape labelled 'pr0n'?"

    1. Re:Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, programmers and system admins were kings in the 70's. All the chicks wanted to score with a programmer ... it was sex, drugs and punch cards. Course by time the 80's came around our image became sullied by a rather .

    2. Re:Cool! by stephenbooth · · Score: 1

      The goatse.cx boy has just been exceeded as the most horrifying image to ever enter my brain.

      Stephen

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    3. Re:Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I want to know is where all these good looking, intelligent and sophisticated female systems operators are that we were being promised in 1979? Oh I know there are a handful of female BOFH's and sysops out there, but the female contingent are few and far between.

    4. Re:Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked in an IBM mainframe shop back in the '80s (showing my age here), and on the MVS operating system we used, all the system libraries had names like "sys1.linklib", "sys1.parmlib", "sys1.cmdlib", etc. You get the pattern?

      Well there was a cupboard in the corner that was known to one and all as "sys1.pornlib". Of course we had no graphics terminals so it was all hard copy - in all senses of the word.

    5. Re:Cool! by vistic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Here you go: pr0n?

    6. Re:Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youch, runners-up in the gene pool backstroke...

    7. Re:Cool! by g3000 · · Score: 1

      Haha...my thought was: Did hot girls work with computers in '71? I bet that guy in the Haggar suit is looking to "punch her tape," if you know what I'm saying. "Sock it to me!!"

  11. Wow by Karpe · · Score: 1, Funny

    I really want to have one of those when I grow up. :)

  12. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of... by Lifewish · · Score: 0

    Or maybe not...

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    1. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of... by arcanumas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, a beowulf cluster of these things would probably shift the Earth's orbit.

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    2. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of... by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      And possess less raw computational ability than my 12" laptop.

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    3. Re:Imagine a Beowulf cluster of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yay! The Karma Fairy modded my message!
      ...what does "troll" mean?

      It means that you're about to get be visited by the three billy-goatse-gruff.

  13. Women and Computers by orudus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it me, or were they a little optimistic that there would be just as many women as men working on computers?

    1. Re:Women and Computers by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The first programmers were women who worked on the ENIAC during WWII.

    2. Re:Women and Computers by D-Cypell · · Score: 1

      If you include porn sites....

    3. Re:Women and Computers by Wudbaer · · Score: 1

      Working on computers does not equal "being in IT"

      In regards to people doing office jobs or data entry on computers women most likely outnumber men.

    4. Re:Women and Computers by hcob$ · · Score: 1

      And not to mention... they drew quite attractive women working on it too. Maybe they need to step into an EE or Electronics class before they wrote this book. I remember ONE girl that looked almost as decent as those cartoon ones.... Maybe that's why computer geeks like anime sooo much?

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    5. Re:Women and Computers by ljavelin · · Score: 4, Informative

      were they a little optimistic that there would be just as many women as men working on computers?

      No, they were showing reality.

      Most (but not all!) programmers were men - they'd be writing the code.

      But most men weren't expected to type... at least not all that well or fast. So they had special purpose "keypunch operators" - mostly women - who would take the hand-written code (written on "coding sheets") and key it onto punchcards. Accuracy and speed in typing were key.

      In addition, operators would feed cards into the computers, etc etc.

      It wasn't a glamorous or creative job. As "on-line" systems and terminals like the 3270 and VT-100 were deployed, the keypunch operators slowly faded away.

      I'd assume that a few exceptionally interested keypunch operators learned to identify programming and machine errors and found their way into programmer ranks.

    6. Re:Women and Computers by Draoi · · Score: 4, Informative
      Is it me, or were they a little optimistic that there would be just as many women as men working on computers?

      Probably, though back in the early days, the first programmers were women. Ada Lovelace has been described as Founder of Scientific Computing Grace Hopper also comes to mind. Futhermore, back in the days of cracking Enigma codes, it was teams of women who programmed the bombes. Somewhere along the line, computer programming was co-opted into professional studies as 'engineering' and 'science' and unfortunately, women were actively discouraged from entering those professions. Only now is this changing ...

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    7. Re:Women and Computers by gpinzone · · Score: 1

      Let's put it another way...what if they said, "Computers will continue to be a male dominated industry because women in general have no interest in hi-tech stuff." It's true, but they would have caught hell for actually saying it.

    8. Re:Women and Computers by Draoi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not to take away what those women achieved, but Grace Hopper was programming computers two years before ENIAC came along. Indeed, she had a major hand in producing the COBOL language.

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    9. Re:Women and Computers by gpinzone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Somewhere along the line, computer programming was co-opted into professional studies as 'engineering' and 'science' and unfortunately, women were actively discouraged from entering those professions. Only now is this changing ...

      I'm sick and tired of hearing this bullcrap. For the past 20-30 years, there's been nothing but active encouragement for women to denounce their traditional gender roles and perform tasks normally associated with men. I'm not saying that isolated instances of discrimination don't exist, but there's no conspiracy to keep women out of science and technology.

    10. Re:Women and Computers by Draoi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      For the past 20-30 years, there's been nothing but active encouragement for women to denounce their traditional gender roles

      Not in my country, nor in my experience. When I say 'actively discouraged', I mean it. Been there, done that, saw it happen myself. Many of my contemporaries ( I graduated in '89) tend to concur, BTW.

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    11. Re:Women and Computers by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      back in the early days, the first programmers were women.

      Actually, some of the first computers were women. NACA, I guess a precursor to NASA, used to have women whose job title was "computer", because they would do calculations for things such as forces and pressures in wind tunnels.

      More about this here:

      http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Evolution_ of_Technology/Computers/Tech37.htm

    12. Re:Women and Computers by j0shwalk3r · · Score: 1

      Back in the day, before the integrated circuit, they would use women to build the computers by literally weaving all the wires together.

    13. Re:Women and Computers by rocjoe71 · · Score: 1

      ...Actually your reply is an excellent example of avtively discouraging someone... Is it at all conceivable to you that this is one of the forms of discrimination the parent post was talking about?

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    14. Re:Women and Computers by ggambett · · Score: 1

      Notice that the mistake was corrected in the 1979 edition :)

    15. Re:Women and Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it that women have no interest or that men have a pathological need for hi-tech? Does men's obsession out weigh female interest?

    16. Re:Women and Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I guess a Microsoft Windows isn't the only PC crap we get on Slashdot.

    17. Re:Women and Computers by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

      One word: Ada

    18. Re:Women and Computers by rjshields · · Score: 1

      It doesn't sound like you're too happy about it. Do you have an issue with women doing things men have done traditionally?

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    19. Re:Women and Computers by freeze128 · · Score: 1
      Is it me, or were they a little optimistic that there would be just as many women as men working on computers?
      Actually, I think they were a little optimistic about the dress code for most of their programmers...
    20. Re:Women and Computers by rpjs · · Score: 1

      There's been plenty of surveys that show the number of women in IT has been steadily decreasing in recent years. I started my first IT job in 1990 and some 35-40% of my colleagues were women, including four of the five group managers in my section. Admittedly, this was in local government, which may not be a very representative sample.

      I've worked two places since - at my last billet (1999-2000) there were no women. Now, I can take the blame for this as I was doing the recruiting, but I saw maybe 2-3 CVs from women in the 18 months I worked there, and none had the skills we required.

      At my current job (2000 to date), there's about 40 coders of whom currently two are women.

    21. Re:Women and Computers by Draoi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      One word: Ada

      Mmm. While Ada was cool and described how Babbage's Analytical Engine could be programmed, she never actually programmed a computer.

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    22. Re:Women and Computers by jc42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, some of the first computers were women.

      My wife likes to tell people that one of her first job titles, back in the 1970's, was "computer". This was working for a survey department in the New York state government. She did have an electronic computer available as part of the departmental equipment, and the conflict in the terminology led to a change in the job title after a couple of years.

      She got the job partly because she'd done well in math classes in high school and college. While it was true that there was a lot of social pressure on girls to be technically ignorant, there was also a lot of counter-pressure from many parents and teachers, who often didn't agree with the "barefoot and pregnant" approach.

      Of course, we really haven't totally outgrown that attitude yet. Lots of young women would still agree with that Barbie doll who said "Math is hard." Lots of parents and teachers are still working hard to overcome all the pressures on kids (girls and boys) to remain technically ignorant. This social battle will go on for a long time.

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    23. Re:Women and Computers by 808140 · · Score: 1

      It amazes me that you can have this attitude. Have you ever met women involved in CS or Engineering that can say that haven't felt "actively discouraged" in their field of choice?

      I haven't. Never, not one. There aren't many women in CS, and every single one I have ever met has confessed that she's felt discriminated against, made to feel stupid, been hit on, and just generally treated differently from everyone else.

      I suppose all these women are lying, eh? Just want attention, maybe? Oh, oh, I know, it's a gender-wide conspiracy! They're trying to get affirmative action-like benefits to lower the entry barriers into these fields, right?

      You know, maybe you should use that oversized brain god gave you (I'm presuming it's oversized, because on Slashdot, heck, we're all above average when it comes to intellect) and think that maybe, just maybe, all the women that are complaining about being discriminated against or actively discouraged are doing it because, oh, I don't know, they've been actively discouraged?

      I hate to rant, but honestly, sometimes people are so unforgiveably dense. Just look at how many base, sexist comments we get on Slashdot that get modded up. All those people -- the one telling the joke or making the crass remark, as well as all the people laughing at it -- are demonstrating behaviour that says to women, without any ambiguity, "you aren't welcome". Even giving you the benefit of the doubt for a moment, and saying that you never partake in such phillistine activities, you must admit that a sizeable number of geeks do.

      So there you have it. Sexism. And you know what? Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away; it merely convinces those that partake in it that what they're doing doesn't constitute sexism or discouragement. Which is good, because most of us are good guys, and would rather not believe that we might be part of the problem when it comes to involving women in our field of choice.

      But denial doesn't help anyone. It's time to get off this "everything that's PC is bullshit" kick, time to drop the "I'm a white male and I'm discriminated against" rant, and grow a pair. Honestly.

    24. Re:Women and Computers by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      A man's perspective...

      Back in 1980 I was 'promoted' from office clerk to computer operator for a small manufacturing company, running a Burroughs B1700. I was to take over for a female computer operator who was retiring. I found out several years later that the reason I was given the job was not because they thought I would be better at it, but because I was not as good at my current job as my female counterpart was. Whether or not that was the real reason I don't know, but I do know that I was a better operator than a clerk.

      As a side note, within a few weeks, it became apparent that I was a good choice (not necessarily the best since the other person never had a chance at it). They had these things called 'manuals', and after reading it discovered that the computer was capable of running more than one job at a time!!! The keypunch operator, and my backup, was terrified that I was going to mess something up because 'we have always done it that way.' The good news is that I had a lot of 'free time' after figuring out which jobs could be run together. The bad news is that the free time was quickly replaced with other tasks, and I became the finance gopher, doing all the menial tasks that the accounts payable clerk, accountant, and payroll clerk didn't have time for.

      No good deed goes unpunished!

      --
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    25. Re:Women and Computers by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny that this should come up as the ENIAC was a subject of conversation in our office with one individual stating that it was the first digital computer. It wasn't (there are arguments which actually came first, but it was not the ENIAC).

      The ENIAC officially made the history books as becoming fully operational in 1946. For those not knowing their history, this is AFTER WWII (which ended Sept. 2, 1945 with Japnan surrendering on the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay).

      "The ENIAC was placed in operation at the Moore School, component by component, beginning with the cycling unit and an accumulator in June 1944. This was followed in rapid succession by the initiating unit and function tables in September 1945 and the divider and square-root unit in October 1945. Final assembly took place during the fall of 1945." see http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/comphist/eniac-story .html

      The question is whether or not it was completed and sctually used for meaningful work during WWII (supposedly, it was used to calculate ballistic trajectory tables). According to the Army's story, it was not. Differential Engines and calculators where the state of the art during the war. The teams that programmed those devices most certainly were then chosen to program the ENIAC. And, this is not to say that progamming the ENIAC did not begin prior to its completion.

      RD

    26. Re:Women and Computers by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 1

      I'm sick and tired of hearing this bullcrap. For the past 20-30 years, there's been nothing but active encouragement for women to denounce their traditional gender roles and perform tasks normally associated with men.

      Wrong. You're confusing the culture with the people in it. In other words, while the feminist movement has led to a general sense that women should denounce their traditional gender roles, that doesn't mean that many or most individuals have acted in a manner consistent with this (they just pay lip service). If the increase in sexual harrassment lawsuits has taught us nothing else, it's that some guys are still old-fashioned. And Lord knows that it should be easy enough to find religious types who think that women should stay at home. For a more computer-specific example, notice the strong connection between video games and scantily-dressed women (in the games, as models at trade shows, in advertisements, and so on). Few scantily-dressed men appear in video games, though of course the programmers are usually men. What kind of impression do you think this higly visible part of the computer industry leaves on people?

    27. Re:Women and Computers by 3gm · · Score: 1

      Well, in those days even the guys who repaired the computers wore white shirts and suits.

      In the late 60's and early 70's, there were quite a few women in the field. That was one of the reasons I was attracted to it :-) There are likely a lot of reasons why women are no longer flocking to the field, but one reason, IMNSHO, is the advent of the PC. The PC filled a role that ham radio used to fill for boys. You could tinker and play with the stuff and do incredible things with it. So guys learned to program and began to develop into nerds while the girls didn't. Now CS programs are filled with guys who have computing backgrounds and girls, who are likely starting from scratch, are at a significant disadvantage at the starting gate.

    28. Re:Women and Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no! They were hit on? How terrible! You mean somebody found them attractive and wanted to get to know them better? What animals!

      Why is that bad, exactly?

      Next time you type a rant, leave that part out. It is human nature, and it sounds retarded to complain about it. Maybe there was unacceptable behavior that happened at the same time, but that is a separate matter.

      If somebody doesn't want to form new relationships with other people and is offended when other people try they shouldn't go outside. Plus, I guarantee you that if guys got hit on by programmer girls they wouldn't be complaining.

      Treating everyone identically is not possible and is not a realistic goal.

    29. Re:Women and Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Admittedly, this was in local government, which may not be a very representative sample.

      No shit it's not a representative sample.

    30. Re:Women and Computers by mpe · · Score: 1

      For the past 20-30 years, there's been nothing but active encouragement for women to denounce their traditional gender roles and perform tasks normally associated with men. I'm not saying that isolated instances of discrimination don't exist, but there's no conspiracy to keep women out of science and technology.

      Though there are plenty of people who'd have you believe that there is. One thing the "patriarchy" conspiracy theorists tend to ignore is any effect peer expectations and peer preasure can have. As well as examining if the methods of "encouragment" being applied are actually at worst neutral.

    31. Re:Women and Computers by jthayden · · Score: 1

      My mom told me about how when she used to register for her college classes, they used punch cards. You would punch the card yourself for the classes you wanted to take and they would run it and it would get punched based upon if the class was full or not. Then they would take it to another table where it would be run again and they would get a print out of the classes they got in or not. Apparently the first machine was just keeping totals, and the second was what they actually used to register you or not.
      One day she realized the pattern of the first machine's punches so she started punching the whole card and only took it to the second machine. Never got locked out of a class again. So, my mom hacked punch cards. I don't feel so bad about living in her basement.

    32. Re:Women and Computers by mpe · · Score: 1

      The first programmers were women who worked on the ENIAC during WWII.

      Which was probably due to only men being conscripted...

    33. Re:Women and Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The good news is that I had a lot of 'free time' after figuring out which jobs could be run together. The bad news is that the free time was quickly replaced with other tasks

      We've learned since then to alway view the words "time saver" with a jaundiced eye... It used to be a happy term, and now it just means "more work".

    34. Re:Women and Computers by vrai · · Score: 1
      The grandparent comment was not sexist. It merely proffered an opinion on the state of the IT industry, and a fairly accurate one at that. Screaming 'discrimination' every time someone disagrees with you completely undermines your position.

      Women are no more discriminated against in IT than men. There have been massive efforts to lure them in to the industry. Even positive discrimination in their favour has not redressed the balance. So maybe the majority of women just aren't interested in IT. Much like the majority of men (at least in the UK) aren't interested in becoming teachers.

      A few points for anyone thinking of replying:

      • This is my opinion, based upon my experience in the industry and my observation of many IT workplaces. I don't claim it is a fact, merely my best guess. If you find what I've said offensive, then you should seek professional help.
      • Your experiences in the industry may vary. However personal anecdotes do not 'disprove' what my points.
      • I do not feel discriminated against in any way shape or form. Mainly because you could limit men to 10% of the total IT workforce and I'd still have a queue of people wanting to employ me (and the offices would smell less with fewer blokes).
    35. Re:Women and Computers by Jecel+Assumpcao+Jr · · Score: 1

      I got to visit several mainframe "computer centers" in the early 1980s and typically about 30% of the staff were women, both operators and programmers. As another poster mentioned, nearly all of the "key punchs" were women. I had a friend who was studying computer science in one of the top schools in the country (Brazil) and women made up over 60% of his class.

      By the mid 1980s, however, the drastic decline in female participation was quite visible. It is interesting to speculate why this is and what, if anything, should be done about it.

      My point is that however strange these pictures might seem today, they were actually representative of the time when this book was written.

    36. Re:Women and Computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, some of the first computers were women.

      Even recently some of them still are. For instance I call my Athlon64 based box in front of me "Natalie" (sic). She's got a nice blue nonitor and although she does not always do the things I order her to do, she is the only woman I've got anyway.

    37. Re:Women and Computers by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      ost (but not all!) programmers were men

      My mother was a programmer from about 1966-1970. In those days, programming was considered to be women's work, cos it was boring and repetative. She wrote in Fortran 2 on coding sheets - mostly Linear programming to optimise the ingredients of pet foods!

      I got my first job in software mainly as a result of reading the Fortran manuals open on the breakfast table after Mum had been on the night shift!

      Being able to read Fortran 2 upside down is a seriously obsolete skill! However, I learned Basic when the PDP8 came out, and fortunately it was a lifetime skill!

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    38. Re:Women and Computers by IvoryRing · · Score: 1

      So you are the one that keeps sending me VisualPDP32++ viruses. I just want to know why you had to use such an accurate 132col mode... I can hardly read it.

    39. Re:Women and Computers by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      Grace Hopper and I graduated from the same college the same year. OK, it was 1986, and she was just getting an honorary degree, but we were at the same ceremony. Unfortunately, I never got to meet her.

    40. Re:Women and Computers by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      The thought of a scantily-clad _male programmer_ makes me recoil in horror - actually, I don't have to imagine it, it's the sight that greets me every morning in the mirror ... overweight, balding, ...

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  14. Wonder how much by gargonia · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I wonder what the cost on one of these babies was? I have an old magazine ad for the "all new 386!" with a CGA monitor 16MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive for several thousand dollars. It always cracks me up to think about what fools we'll feel like in the future for paying top dollar for the latest and greatest hardware now.

    "Yeah, I remember paying almost a thousand dollars for just a ONE TERABYTE hard drive!"

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    -- Gargonia
    Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

    1. Re:Wonder how much by Awestruckin · · Score: 0

      Actually with 250GB drives costing less than $200, and CMIAW, 300GB being the largest IDE drive now...by the time they invent a 1TB drive it'll probably be about $300-400. (not counting inflation :P)

    2. Re:Wonder how much by Clemensa · · Score: 1

      My first computer had an OS which was just under 4k in size. I was actually given it as a present, but I *think* that it cost (in todays money) around £5000.

    3. Re:Wonder how much by rwebb · · Score: 1

      #pragma OldFart

      Somewhere in the attic I still have the ancient Digital Group Z-80 system that I put together in 1979: 4.5 MHz Z-80 (Overclocked!) with 18 K static RAM (two 8K cards plus 2K on the CPU card) that cost as a solder-it-yourself kit about US$2000 in 1979. According to this site that equates to a bit over $5000 today. Dang!

      It did come with a version of the original Lunar Lander, though...

      --
      Trusted by cats.
    4. Re:Wonder how much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It always cracks me up to think about what fools we'll feel like in the future for paying top dollar for the latest and greatest hardware now.

      Only if you're a gamer. I would never pay over $600 for a desktop computer anymore. Besides, if you always wait until tomorrow for a better deal, the system you're looking to buy will be discontinued and replaced with a newer model that's twice as fast for the same amount. It's very difficult to get a full computer system for under $500 without rebates. That'll be the sweet spot for a long time to come, or until inflation pushes prices up even more.

    5. Re:Wonder how much by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Bah, that's nothing against an old ZX81 with a whole 1 KB (yes, that's 1024 Bytes) of RAM (you could upgrade to 16 KB by adding a memory pack to the extension slot).

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    6. Re:Wonder how much by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Are you sure its 16MB?
      At the time of 40MB HDs and early 386, 2-4MB was outrageous, 16MB unheard of.
      I still remember paying 400DM (at that time 300$) for 4MB extra... for my 486...

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    7. Re:Wonder how much by Angstroem · · Score: 1
      Bah, that's nothing against an old ZX81 with a whole 1 KB (yes, that's 1024 Bytes) of RAM (you could upgrade to 16 KB by adding a memory pack to the extension slot).
      Don't forget to mention that this 1kB of memory *of course* included video memory with a worst case requirement of 768 bytes (24x32).

      Thus, the ZX81 detected if it would run with stock 1kB or more and in case of 1kB using some basic video memory "compression" (i.e. a line was not necessarily occupying 32 lines but ended with the last non-space character). Never saw schematics for the 64kB unit (but you could tweak it to work as graphics memory for "software hires", i.e. 256x192 pixels for the sake of a computer slowed down by a factor of 8).

      Btw., you could get up to 64kB memory expansions from Memotech, although I still don't know how the 64kB expansion actually worked, cause A15=1 (i.e. the upper 32kB) were actually indicating accesses to the Sinclair Logic Chip (ZX80 users: the video hardware).

      Now please don't ask me why I still remember all this... Last week one of my students caught me discussing $d011 effects with a colleague of similar age -- and the student said: "Sheesh, you must feel really old, don't you."

      Now I do.

    8. Re:Wonder how much by lscotte · · Score: 1

      That's not an old magazine! I've got some old mags stored away with ads for Altairs and such. Someday I should scan them in...

      A 40MB HD *WAS* possible in the 386 days. I had an 8Mhz Zenith 808x with an RLL 30MB HD. Seagate ST238 if I recall. That was probably somewhere around 1983/84. I still kept the Atari 800 around though, since it was a way better gaming system.

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    9. Re:Wonder how much by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I guess it used paging (similar to expanded memory for the 8086/8088). I can't really see another way, since 64K is all the Z80A could address, and the ROM already took some of that space, too. It also must have come with it's own ROM to enable transparent page switching. AFAIK the ZX81 ROM had just 8K and was "mirrored" in the 8K to 16K range, so there was plenty of room for ROM improvements. I know that the ZX Spectrum ROM could be disabled from the expansion slot (this was used e.g. by the "shadow ROM" of the Interface I), I guess the same was true for the ZX81.

      The software hires then isn't too surprising, since ZX81 graphics was CPU driven anyway (thus the FAST mode with video output switched off except when waiting for input; but it was a good idea to switch to SLOW mode for input anyway, to avoid flickering for each single keypress), and 64KB left more than enough room for 256x192 (which for black/white eats up exactly 6K).

      However I don't know what $d011 effects are.

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    10. Re:Wonder how much by Angstroem · · Score: 1
      Yep, you could disable the ROM by tying ROMCS# high.

      Regarding software hires, the point was that the bus layout was in a way that you couldn't just add graphics memory and let this be accessed by the SCL. It must reside on the "ROM side" of the bus.

      That was why I installed a piggy-back RAM on top of the ROM and fully decoded ROM space. Otherwise, Hires only worked by abusing "best-match" patterns found in ROM.

      $d011 effects are used on the Commodore 64. That was why I felt *really* old. If having programmed a C64 makes you an old fart...

    11. Re:Wonder how much by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      Yeah sounds about right. I remember when the price of memory came down to $50 per megabyte I thought I was in heaven.

      Heh. I remember at Uni in the '70s in a physics lecture our lecturer was talking about hardware glitches preventing her doing her x-ray crystallography calculations on the IBM-360 now that it had a its core memory upgraded to 100K ... we thought man that's awesome.

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    12. Re:Wonder how much by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      400GB for about $400 (Hitachi, though, so be careful - it might be a Deathstar), IIRC. Right about par ($1/gb - I'm NOT counting WD HDDs).

  15. What I find most impressive ... by YetAnotherName · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... is how well your site's holding up under the slashdotting!

    On topic, though, it is a quaint little trip you've provided. It's fun to see the historical context of a chosen career (a chosen passion, I should say). In 1971 I was 1 to 2 years old, and don't recall what the professional goal was. Later it would be "astronaut," until grade school, when video games (c.f. this posting) made "computer programmer" be the new (and final) choice.

    Apparently, the publisher, Ladybird Books, has had its own interesting history, and is now part of Penguin.

    1. Re:What I find most impressive ... by TomorrowPlusX · · Score: 0

      I still want to be an astronaut. Probably not going to happen, though.

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    2. Re:What I find most impressive ... by sifi · · Score: 1

      Hmm This explains a lot about the British Police Force...

      From the ladybird
      site ...

      The Learnabout books of the 1960s helped children to develop new interests, but these books were not strictly read by children.

      How it Works: The Motor Car (1965) was used by Thames Valley police driving school as a general guide...

      Well made me laugh!

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    3. Re:What I find most impressive ... by cybergrue · · Score: 1
      Thanks for the great link. I fondly remember the Ladybird books from when I grew up. Anyways, I found this in the second link, and as it relates to the book being discussed, thought it approriate.

      How it Works: The Computer was used by university lecturers to make sure that students started at the same level. Two hundred copies of this same book were ordered by the Ministry of Defence. The MOD wanted the books to be bound in plain brown covers and without any copyright information, to save embarrassing their trainees!

    4. Re:What I find most impressive ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all. Just wait until retirement and then squander the kids inheritance on a Virgin Galactic ticket (Or whatever is available when you retire). They'll only waste it, and you were the one who earned it all anyway!

    5. Re:What I find most impressive ... by ShelbyCobra · · Score: 1

      ... is how well your site's holding up under the slashdotting!

      Well, I bet, the team of specially trained operators are practically wearing a hole in the floor fetching punchcards and magnetic tapes.

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    6. Re:What I find most impressive ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Just wait until retirement and then squander the kids inheritance on a Virgin Galactic ticket

      Bet you could get a ride if you were President of Virgin, but that's already been filmed... Or just become friends with the new "President" chose from that soon-to-be-awful reality show.

    7. Re:What I find most impressive ... by Smiffa2001 · · Score: 1

      "Bunnikins Picnic Party, Smoke and Fluff, Piggly Palys Truant, Downy Duckling"

      Obviously, it was Piggly writing the copy for the page here then as they can't spell.....

    8. Re:What I find most impressive ... by bedessen · · Score: 1
      What I find most impressive ... ... is how well your site's holding up under the slashdotting!


      That's probably because it's very simple static HTML and static images, with a moderate number of images per page. What people seem to forget is that regular Apache combined with the provisions in http for caching of static content make for extraordinarily robust servers. When you get into trouble is when you leave that behind and start to make pages dynamically, with database backends and scripting languages like PHP, Perl, ASP, etc. Most sites that die a hideous death from a slashdotting are usually one of the following:

      - some idiot posted 100 full size images to a single page
      - some idiot posted unscaled images from his digital camera (i.e. hundreds of kb or even several megabytes each)
      - any site that has dynamic content (user accounts, logins, page customizations, content generated from database backend, ad rotations, etc)
      - some page on a freebie hosting service not intended for real hosting

      Static HTML and images, with a sane page design (not "let's put it all on one page") scales very nicely and will almost always do well to a flash-crowd, providing it's on a real server and the metered bandwidth does not run out.
  16. thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks Dude. Personally, I enjoy reading old computer books & magazines. I think it's kinda cool. Thanks for providing the books for free.

    Cheers,
    John Galt

  17. Re:How Slashdot Works... in FireFox. by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

    Huh? Works fine... always has done.

  18. I've still got that book by palfreman · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've still got that book. It's been pretty out of date for a long time (er, very out of date), but it is very good at explaining things like assembler, old style core memory and flow charting for kids - sets them on the right path, instead of messing them up with an a childized gui's, talking elephants and suchlike.

    The people who wrote this book basically felt that a child of 8 should not have the inner workings of a computer being hidden from them, but be taught th technical side from day 1.

    Anyway, 20 years later this book is still where I first learnt about flow charts and cpu registers!

    1. Re:I've still got that book by xnot · · Score: 1

      You know it's slashdot when a story like this is posted and people immediately say "I have that book!"

      Talk about trying to pry an Amiga out of a dead person's hands ;-)

    2. Re:I've still got that book by palfreman · · Score: 1
      Hehe. My mum even bought me the 1979 edition when the cover fell off my secondhand 1971 edition!

      That was a sound investment for the in 1985 I guess. Now I have a real job, and they were the first people in the street to have a home network, a firewall, wireless & ADSL, and unlimited tech support from me. Kind of a sound investment for them overall :-)

    3. Re:I've still got that book by seanellis · · Score: 1

      I had that book when I was about 9, and was fascinated by it.

      I'm glad it's up on the web; I lost my copy at some point.

    4. Re:I've still got that book by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      You can pry my Amiga from my cold, dead hands after you break every cold, dead finger and use a cutting torch.

      not that I'm posessive or anything like that.

    5. Re:I've still got that book by amembleton · · Score: 1

      I too have that book. My parents bought loads of Ladybird books from jumble-sales when I was younger. They are very good books and I've learnt so much from them.

      It would be good to see some of the Usborne books I used to borrow from the kids section of the Library. These taught me how to program BBC Basic, fascinating stuff, especially the liberal use of GOTO statements. Ah well, now I have a career in Software Engineering. hmm, I wonder if you can still get books on how to program for kids.

    6. Re:I've still got that book by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      Please tell me where you purchased a book that was so good it went back in time 20 years and changed you perception of that topic.

    7. Re:I've still got that book by palfreman · · Score: 1

      No.

  19. reminds me some older sci-fi novels by thrad · · Score: 1

    .. describing huge spaceships navigated by super-computers with magnetic tapes and stuff, which were so fast they could calculate data dozens times faster than any human :) Wow :)

    1. Re:reminds me some older sci-fi novels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I've always loved about early Heinlein -- his images of the massive, unimaginably powerful guidance computers controling the ships, and the daring, galant engineers toiling away at their slide rules to program them....

  20. Re:How Slashdot Works... in FireFox. by russx2 · · Score: 1

    A quick ctrl +, ctrl - can sort the problem in a fraction of a second. Still not great though I'll give you.

  21. Always ENIAC by Draoi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "1943 saw the need for computing artillery firing charts, and ENIAC [...] was born. [...] And so the modern electronic computer came into being."

    I guess we now know different, with Atanasoff/Turing/Flowers. We were always taught that ENIAC was first when I did my studies back in the early '80s ....

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    "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein

    1. Re:Always ENIAC by basingwerk · · Score: 2, Informative

      It often happens that the British invent something and Americans claim it. Everybody here (Cambridge, UK) would tell you that Logi Baird invented the television, but Americans learn it was some other bloke. It's mad.

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    2. Re:Always ENIAC by Draoi · · Score: 1
      Weeell, Atanasoff was American, as it happens & he was officially first (it went to a legal challenge). Arguably, Konrad Zuse - a German - produced the first programmable computer back in the '30s, though it was mechanical.

      Anyways - just look at some of the coolest computer products that came out of Cambridge; The Sinclair range of computers were the first affordable home computers. I started on a ZX80 kit as a child & had to assemble the thing myself. Programming starts with a soldering iron! :-) Then there was the Jupiter Ace - a home computer using FORTH, when everyone else was programming in BASIC.

      *sigh* ... reminiscing .... Yeah, and I read that Ladybird book as a kid, too. That and all those Babani electronics books.

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      Alison

      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein

    3. Re:Always ENIAC by Zen+Punk · · Score: 1

      What about Konrad Zuse and his Z1, Z2, Z3, etc.? His accomplishments are ignored or brushed aside in almost every discussion of computer history I have come across.

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    4. Re:Always ENIAC by Draoi · · Score: 1
      What about Konrad Zuse and his Z1, Z2, Z3, etc.?

      From my parent posting, quoting; ".. so the modern electronic computer was born". Konrad Zuse's original Z1, Z2 and Z3 were electromechanical, not electronic. Hence why I didn't mention him.

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      Alison

      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein

    5. Re:Always ENIAC by Draoi · · Score: 1
      What about Konrad Zuse?

      Nope. Zuse's Z1-Z3 were not electronic, as the old Ladybird book had specified.

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      Alison

      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein

    6. Re:Always ENIAC by ID10T5 · · Score: 1
      Weeell, Atanasoff was American, as it happens & he was officially first (it went to a legal challenge).

      Funny how the second edition of the book didn't catch that. The Honeywell lawsuit was decided in 1973 and recognized the Atanasoff-Berry Computer as the first electronic digital computer.

    7. Re:Always ENIAC by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      I always thought that electronics was everything that happened when charges were in motion, and electrostatics was whatever happened when those same charges were standing still. Doesn't an electromagnetic relay depend for its operation on the flow of an electrical current {as opposed to the accumulation of electrical charge}; and therefore belong to the domain of electronics as opposed to electrostatics?

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    8. Re:Always ENIAC by cybergrue · · Score: 2, Informative
      The main problem was that the work done by Turing (and many others) during the war on the Colossus machine (used to break the Enigma code) was classified for at least 30 years after the war. Hence we only started learning about these achievements in the mid 70's, after some of the influential "history of computing" texts had their first editition. Even after its declassification, the work done on Colossus was (and still is) not widely known.

      The ther problem is the defition of Computer. Depending on how you define it, you can have many different 'first' computers, however, no matter how you define it, ENIAC was not the first computer.

    9. Re:Always ENIAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come off it. The Z3 was Electro-Mechanical but so was the ENIAC; it used relays! Konrad Zuse beat everyone to it with the Z3; and I say that an Englishman.

    10. Re:Always ENIAC by Draoi · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you, that's not the issue here. My original posting quoted the book saying that ENIAC was the first electronic computer. I was pointing out that it was not and quoted Atanasoff/Berry's ABC as an example ...

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      Alison

      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein

    11. Re:Always ENIAC by scoser · · Score: 1

      I'm attending Iowa State University, where Atanasoff made his computer. When I grew up in the 80s, any tech special I saw on TV or book I read preached "ENIAC was the first computer." But once I got to Iowa State, it was "Atanasoff made the first digital computer, and we have the court decision that says so!"

    12. Re:Always ENIAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You specifically say that you didn't mention Konrad Zuse on purpose, because you do not consider his Z1, Z2 and Z3 machines as electronic computers. You are wrong.

    13. Re:Always ENIAC by Draoi · · Score: 1
      You specifically say that you didn't mention Konrad Zuse on purpose, because you do not consider his Z1, Z2 and Z3 machines as electronic computers. You are wrong.

      Why??

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      Alison

      "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein

    14. Re:Always ENIAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Or discover something.

      In math, calculus was either Newton or Leibniz, depending on who you listen to.

      In chemistry, oxygen was either discovered by Scheele, Lavoisier or Dalton depending on if you're Swedish, French or English.

      (IIRC Scheele was first, didn't publish, Lavoisier was first to publish, Dalton first to recognize it as an element)

    15. Re:Always ENIAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Z3 uses electro-mechanical switching but those switches assembled into gates which were assembled into adders etc. The calculations were all electronic.

      The usual reason the Z3 is discounted used to be that the instruction set was not considered turing complete, but someone offered a proof of turing completeness several years ago. As the Z3 was electronic, it's instruction set was turing complete and it executed stored programs, it's the first electronic computer. QED.

    16. Re:Always ENIAC by basingwerk · · Score: 1

      Thanks for letting me know about Atanasoff, who is a relatively obscure figure over here, whereas Turing and Wilkes are venerated as the fathers of modern computing, and Babbage as the Granddaddy of them all. Wilkes was British, and he was first to make a proper digital "stored program" computer, although perhaps you know more about that than I do. It just goes to show how mad it is, and I actually think it is quite possible for many people to "invent" the same thing at around the same time because the "world is ready", so to speak.

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  22. jpg images? by rcamera · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    does anyone else find it annoying that these are scanned as jpg images? it might be a bit easier to read if the images were thrown into a pdf...

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    1. Re:jpg images? by nadadogg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, how about you just be thankful for the fact that this is online for free, instead of complaining about a totally free service that you get for free on a website that you don't have to pay to access.

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    2. Re:jpg images? by novakyu · · Score: 1
      it might be a bit easier to read if the images were thrown into a pdf...

      IDK, but I actually find PDF files that are built from JPEG files more detestable. I mean, those files are huge or pixelated and my antiquated computer (not quite antiquated as the ones in the book, though : ) has to struggle to read the whole file (a few megabytes to 20 megabytes, depending on number of pages and how pixelated the pages are) just so that I can read one page.

      It would have been very nice if they could put up a properly prepared PDF file, say, exported from the page-setting application they used to make this book...who am I kidding?

      Anyway, IMHO, separate JPEG images are easier to read (at least for the computer) and in this case, how would you be able to do a page-by-page comparison between the two editions in PDF?

    3. Re:jpg images? by Tackhead · · Score: 2, Funny
      > does anyone else find it annoying that these are scanned as jpg images? it might be a bit easier to read if the images were thrown into a pdf...

      Does anyone else find it annoying that these are just million-digit-long strings of ones and zeroes? It might be a bit easier to read if the images were just pressed in ink onto pieces of paper...

  23. Re:How Slashdot Works... in FireFox. by tsager · · Score: 1

    Pressing Ctrl-+ and then Ctrl-- reformats the page nicely.

  24. My parents have the original by suso · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Actually, my parents have the original book from 1971. It was part of a series.

    1. Re:My parents have the original by vasqzr · · Score: 1


      We had the Time Life series of computer books at a local library. They came out sometime in the 80's, they were silver in color, I think there were 20 volumes. They're funny to read if you get a chance.

    2. Re:My parents have the original by The_Bad_Bob · · Score: 1

      I've got the whole set. My school was throwing them out, so I grabbed them. A lot of the information is outdated, but there still fun to read. Computers have changed alot, but the fundamentals are still there. Which the books cover nicely.

  25. My Parents Era by mysticwhiskey · · Score: 1
    My parents were 15 (mum) and 17 (dad) years old in '71... and yet they think computers are a NEW thing!

    OK they were probably more interested in less geeky stuff at the time, but the principles of electronic data manipulation haven't changed since then. Sure, now we've got gigahertz+ processors and all that, but a bit is still a bit, regardless of media (so now trees around the world can breathe easier knowing punch cards & tape are obsolete).

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    1. Re:My Parents Era by madaxe42 · · Score: 1

      Computers, as we know them, are a new thing... The desktop PC has only been mainstream for a decade now, if that, and that, like it or not, is what most people consider a 'computer'. Everything else is voodoo!

    2. Re:My Parents Era by vettemph · · Score: 1
      My parents were 15 (mum) and 17 (dad) years old in '71... and yet they think computers are a NEW thing!

      1971? There where not too many computers at acid parties, dope rings, orgies and disco's. :)

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  26. Wow by arethuza · · Score: 1
    This was the very first thing I read about computers - the original cover looks familiar so I probably saw this when I was six or seven round about '71 or '72.

    For some reason the digital/analog thing always stuck in my mind.

  27. The interesting thing... by Alioth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...is this book goes into quite some detail (like the method of magnetic polarity changes on a tape). Now you might not think that particularly remarkable - but the book was published by Ladybird - i.e. it was a children's book published in Britain, aimed at children between 8 and 10 years old!

    I remember Ladybird books from my childhood - starting with "Magnets, Bulbs and Batteries." That book had the advice to test a battery, stick the terminals on your tongue (but it admonished you to never do it with a large battery). Just imagine trying to publish that advice now :-) I still test 9v PP9 batteries on my tongue!

    1. Re:The interesting thing... by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      it was a children's book published in Britain, aimed at children between 8 and 10 years old!

      I think in general Ladybird Books were aimed at younger children, but this series in particular was not. A poster above mentioned the organisations that made use of this and other Ladybird Books:

      • How it Works: The Computer was used by university lecturers to make sure that students started at the same level. Two hundred copies of this same book were ordered by the Ministry of Defence.
      • How it Works: The Motor Car (1965) was used by Thames Valley police driving school as a general guide.
      • Understanding Maps (1967) was eventually to be used to quickly train young army recruits before going into battle in the Falklands War,

      It was an eye-opener for me - I'd read this book and others from the series, but not since childhood, and I'd forgotten just how advanced some Ladybird Books were.

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    2. Re:The interesting thing... by Smylers · · Score: 1
      I think in general Ladybird Books were aimed at younger children, but this series in particular was not. ... How it Works: The Computer [was] ordered by the Ministry of Defence.

      Though that same page continues by pointing out: "The MOD wanted the books to be bound in plain brown covers, and without any copyright information, to save embarrassing their trainees!"

      The fact that the MOD found the cover awkward shows it was intended as a children's book, even though it was used elsewhere.

      Smylers
    3. Re:The interesting thing... by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 1

      Don't try that with a car battery ;-)

    4. Re:The interesting thing... by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      The fact that the MOD found the cover awkward shows it was intended as a childrens' book

      Oh aye, they were definitely children's books - just not the pre-school/primary school childrens' books we tend to think. In fact, my favourite - well into my early 20s - was the "how to build a crystal set" Ladybird. I never managed to locate a real version and had to settle for a poor quality Xerox of a friends :( It was far too technical for the average primary school pupil; I struggled building a crystal set based on the Ladybird instructions well into my mid-teens. (Of course, that may say more about my electrical engineering abilities than anything else... ;)

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    5. Re:The interesting thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You couldn't anyway. Your tongue isn't wide enough.

  28. Page 9! by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    "A small digital computer designed for the businessman." Very humorous indeed. LOL!

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  29. Programming in a high level language is somethi... by Psionicist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Programming in machine code is a job for a highly trained person, whereas programming in a high level language is something most people can do provided they are given time to learn the rules that must be followed"

    That was optimistic. We have languages such as C++, Python, Java etc now (compared to FORTRAN and COBOL they mentioned in the book) and still programming is sort of a geek thing.

  30. Gotta love that "Small Digital Computer" by RicochetRita · · Score: 1
    It's designed for the businessman.
    Here: http://davidguy.brinkster.net/computer/005.html/

    R3

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    1. Re:Gotta love that "Small Digital Computer" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Corrected link, please mod up http://davidguy.brinkster.net/computer/005.html

  31. Mag tape in 1979? Cutting edge! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember having paper tape and card jobs to worry about.... in the early 1990s.

    So even though the book may suggest that mag tape was the only way in 1979, in practice much of the world retained their paper media for a long time.

    After all, we had plenty of expensive specialty machines that read cards and paper tape. It's hard to convince your boss to unload $millions$ in equipment costs so you can upgrade to a mag tape or mini-floppy (that's 5.25") based system.

    I'm very glad we skipped all of that interum media crap and went straight to TCP/IP over Ethernet. The most painful part was that one card job that lasted until 1993 or so.

    Interestingly enough, the first part my company outsourced was keypunch operators. In the end, they outsourced all of IT.

  32. Old computer book in PopUp form by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    This topic reminded me of a book in my popup collection, "Inside The Personal Computer."

    It even has a replica of a 5&1/4" floppy that you can remove and insert into a popup disk drive!

  33. Flashback by asciimonster · · Score: 1

    I've been glansing through the book. Although most things are laughingly dated, I find it disturbing how some things really didn't change that much. For instance, people still think that computers can think for themselves.

    Enybody feeling the same thing?

    1. Re:Flashback by b374 · · Score: 1
      I find it disturbing how some things really didn't change that much. For instance, people still think that computers can think for themselves.

      Enybody feeling the same thing?

      Dunno... even if my laptop agrees with you on this, my workstation tends to disagree... I'll ask with a server for clarification
  34. Copyright infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did Ladybird Books Ltd give permission for their copyrighted material to be distributed in this way? You nasty pirates should be ashamed of yourselves, taking money out of hard-working authors' pockets like that. It's theft!

    Seriously though, isn't stuff like this reason enough to review the copyright laws? This won't be public domain for decades to come, and the market for it has long since passed away.

    1. Re:Copyright infringement by beezly · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you sure that this book is still under the copyright of Ladybird?

      On this page it claims...

      "Copyright in a published edition expires 25 years from the end of the year in which the edition was first published."

      As 2004-1979 = 25 doesn't that make this book out of copyright now?

    2. Re:Copyright infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Key word is end of the year. I make it November 12th today, not December 31st.

    3. Re:Copyright infringement by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 1

      Tell them to get a life. No-one is seriously going to be buying this book now. Tell them to let people enjoy it how it is for nostalgia reasons.

      Bob

    4. Re:Copyright infringement by jc42 · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but there are a bunch of them upstairs in my office (yes, I work for Penguin) looking into this one.

      Hmm ... You should maybe suggest that the business folks intercept this before the lawyers do something foolish. Coming down on this guy for putting these books online can only make Penguin look clueless. But thanking him for bringing back the memories would make Penguin look like good guys with functioning senses of both humor and history.

      They could probably benefit by offering him space on company servers, and maybe a part-time job doing a historical section with other old books illustrating the history of their technical publications. There are a lot of people lamenting the dearth of good historical information in the computing field. Publishers of books like these could easily correct at least part of this problem by making scans of out-of-print books available online to those of us who are interested.

      If the lawyers try to shut him down, this will turn into just another textbook (;-) example of the use of copyright to suppress access to historical material.

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    5. Re:Copyright infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Only the published edition copyright. That means layout/design/typography. The content is still subject to author copyright which is author's life+70 years.

    6. Re:Copyright infringement by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      This won't be public domain for decades to come, and the market for it has long since passed away.

      Aren't we looking at it right now?
      There is some kind of market, although we don't know how the publisher/author are going to be compensated for the use of these images.

  35. 'Gates' and 'Highways' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, little did they know.

    1. Re:'Gates' and 'Highways' by fstanchina · · Score: 1

      Noticed that too. I guess that in a contemporary edition it would become 'Gates and 'Torvalds'.

  36. My god...I had this! by mccalli · · Score: 2, Funny
    Wow, a quick blast from my own past here as well. I had this book - it was part of a series, and they were all very well written.

    Obviously written for a young, general audience rather than technical people. Then again that's exactly what I was part of at the time. I wasn't actually born in 1971, I was born in 1972. Strangely though, I remember the first cover not the second - perhaps I had an old edition? Anyway, my point here is that despite being a supposedly non-technical book, look at the language and level of detail covered. Look at this page, for example - get that in many introductory books these days? No, you don't. Interesting how depth of knowledge changes.

    Anyway, can confirm that this piqued my interest enough to be excited about computers when the first wave of home computing hit the UK (about 1982, a ZX Spectrum 48k for me). Haven't really looked back - I now have a computing career, and whilst many factors lead to me wanting that it must be said that this book was the first to nudge me in the right direction.

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:My god...I had this! by dprust · · Score: 1

      The best, most courageous books are written for the young, general audience -- plain and understandable yet, like this book, complete. I often shake my head at some of the stuff I read from technical people. They are meeting their own needs of feeling and sounding smart at the expense of actually getting their message across. Look at the "Dummies" series -- the implication is there, that to write a book that people can read, it means that it is made for "dummies". Insulting, really, but human. It's a personality flaw that all too often gets in the way of moving the field forward. I wish all books were written like this one! We'd only gain if they were; just because the author speaks plainly and clearly doesn't mean they can't go into detail. In fact, they can go into greater detail because they can take the reader with them further into their world.

  37. Re:Programming in a high level language is somethi by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
    Applescript? Javascript? PHP? They're all pretty simple languages. So simple in fact that people (like me) who cut their teeth on C++ and Java do things the hard way.

    I tell anyone who asks that if they can tell someone how to do something in order, then they can program. And once they get the basics down (logical test, loops, etc) it's all pretty much the same.

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  38. Re:How Slashdot Works... in FireFox. by Errtu76 · · Score: 1

    or ctrl + scrollwheel (if you have it). Works better for me, since i dont have to let go of the mouse. Yeah, laziness :)

  39. Oh the days by LucidBeast · · Score: 1
    I guess I start to qualify as an old timer, but there is always a generation before us.

    We had few years ago a software in the works, which had been estimated bit too optimistically when it came to time and money. One old timer who had done coding in his time from the buyers side suggested as a remedy for next time to write all the code first into a notebook before writing it to the computer, because thats how it was done in their days. Even when we pointed out that the project consisted over sixty thousand lines of code he couldn't be convinced othervice.

  40. Re:How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please do not feed the trolls. Have a nice day.

  41. Re:How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't respond to trolls. Regardless of the type of response, you will only encourage them.

  42. Ah, the good ol days... by Dinosaur+Neil · · Score: 1

    I managed to miss this book (series?), but I still have my handbook for my "Computer Merit Badge" kicking around, complete with the then obligatory explanation/illustration of core memory, and the picture of the latest and greatest IBM mainframe (I think it's whatever preceeded the S/360). Now I have two resources to refer to when my nephew askes, "What were computers like when you were my age?"

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  43. Tomorrow's Home by Gax · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of some of the books I have at home. The 1981 edition of Tomorrow's Home has a fantastic description of how technology will change your life. Predictably it features dodgy Buck Rogers technology being used by Jason King lookalikes. It also shows someone using a five-button mouse - an interesting item that shows how the modern computer interface was embedded in modern culture at the time.

  44. Copyright infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This title remains the copyright of Ladybird Books (part of the Penguin Group). IANAL, but there are a bunch of them upstairs in my office (yes, I work for Penguin) looking into this one.

  45. Emma Peel! by mccalli · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hmm. I didn't know The Avengers worked in computing. Admittedly, Steed seems to have changed a little but my god is that a dead-ringer for Emma Peel.

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Emma Peel! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      my god is that a dead-ringer for Emma Peel.

      Looks more like Tara King to me.

  46. Built in Washing Machine. by sifi · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wish my PC had a built in washing machine, like the one the guy is using on page 9 'mini computer system'.

    And they call it progress.

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    1. Re:Built in Washing Machine. by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      At the first job I had when I got out of the army (1988), the machine room looked like a laundromat full of Maytags (we were still using an NCR mainframe), and we didn't get rid of the card punch until about '92.

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      What a long, strange trip it's been.
  47. Computer magic by Sai+Babu · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Born in the early 50's with a hand in electronics since messing with old radios in my grandfathers chicken coup at age 4, I've never felt any 'magic' associated with computers. Adders, registers, programs 'written' in wire on a card were all easy to understand. I messed with early RTL IC's in high school and have played with computer hardware ever since. However, while computers are grand tools, they've never seemed 'magical'. Not like radio. Radio was and always has held a much greater fascination. I attribute this to the deterministic nature of the computer as opposed ot the 'fishing' aspect of radio. With radio, you never really know if it is going to do what you ask it to. A computer does exactly what you ask it to. Yet, I see this aura of magic in the eyes of others when they work with computers. Where does it come from? The humorous answer is that their computers don't seem to behave in a deterministic way (spare me the Mr. Softie humor). But, many postings on /., from people who appear to know how their computers work, reek of this sense of magic. What gives? Does one have to be born with a plutonium atom in the center of ones brain or am I misreading an enourmous appreciation for the power of the tool as a fascination with some quality that I fail to perceive?

    These comments apply to digital electronic computers. I can't help but see some magic in wetware (mouse brains flying airplanes).

    1. Re:Computer magic by cathouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pre-dating you by a decade, I remember very clearly the two semesters that I took consecutive 5 unit courses in programming *Unit Record Machines* by plugging [really] thousands of wires into holes in program boards as large as 1x1.5 meters. Each and every move of each and every character required plugging a wire from one hole to another. And any branching operation took twice, plus running the wires for the condititional, etc. No there ain't no magic.

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    2. Re:Computer magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      With radio, you never really know if it is going to do what you ask it to. A computer does exactly what you ask it to.

      Offcourse this statement only applies to the pre-windows era.

    3. Re:Computer magic by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm just here for the bright blinking lights.

      Although it is deterministic it is a tool that can become a world, or many worlds, of its own. Gaming environment, business etc etc. I was initially fascinated with computers because I wanted to do some simulations (for my own interest), but as the tool's sophistication increased dramatically I realised I could use it for many things and that although as a device it was deteriministic its behaviour was not predictable because of its complexity and its complex relationship to the user and the environment especially networks/internet.

      I do regard it as magical, in the sense you mean, though I'm finding it difficult to actually work out why. I have the same attitude to a number of things so perhaps it was an attitude that I picked up in childhood and just tagged onto computers or maybe genetic, don't know. I'm old enough to be way way past the gee whiz stage but still find the beasties fascinating.

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  48. Artillery? by Trurl · · Score: 1

    "1943 saw the need for computing artillery firing charts, and ENIAC was born."

    This always struck me as odd. I think it went more like: Shit. We invented the programmable digital computer. We've got 1001 uses for it so we need to declassify it. We can't very well declassify what we've been USING it for, so we gotta make up a bullshit reason for inventing it.

    So uh The ARMY needed a programmable whatsahoozit to do... um... computation... er... The army computes what now? Ok artillery firing charts! Yeah the reds will buy that.

    1. Re:Artillery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize in 1943 the 'reds' were on the same side, don't you?

    2. Re:Artillery? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      You do realize in 1943 the 'reds' were on the same side, don't you?

      You can fight in a war with an ally and still not want to let them in on every single one of your secrets... Especially when many of those secrets involved calculations regarding atomic weapons.

    3. Re:Artillery? by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      No, it really was designed for computing artillery charts. The thing is, when an artillery battery or, even trickier, a battleship (because it won't have a forward observer to help them walk in the fall of shot), is going to fire on a position which may be 10 or more miles away, they need to know, _very_ quickly, what size charge bags (and how many), and what barrel elevation, are going to lob a big, heavy bullet full of explosives right onto the target. Until very recently, the only way to do this was by consulting tables which gave a set of ranges, etc, related to charge size, barrel elevation, wind speed, etc, and the battery commander (or more probably a subaltern) would interpolate the actual values required. Until the work done on things like ENIAC, these charts, like tables of logarithms, sines, cosines, etc, were calculated by hand by a room full of computors (people with, if they were lucky, hand-cranked adding machines), which is an error-prone process. This, by the way, was also Babbage's motivation for the creation of the Difference Engine, because log and trig tables were used by navigators who didn't want to park their boats on rocks.

      As an aside, some of the blokes I was in the army with have tales of doing survey computations with these old adding machines (because the few electronic calculators available in the '60s and '70s weren't numerically stable). You can imagine their excitement when the Corps bought a bunch of HP-25s.

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      What a long, strange trip it's been.
  49. This is what my secondary school used by UncleJam · · Score: 1

    My school used something almost exactly like this for their only computing class... in 1995. I remember one good quote from it "Most floppies are 8" to a side, but 5 1/4" disks are becoming more popular" My school wasn't very tech savvy to say the least.

  50. On a similar note: by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On a similar note, I can remember the series that was published by Marshall Cavendish called INPUT. This was a fantastic bi-weekly serial magazine published in the early 80's that focused almost exclusively on programming for the early micros.

    I owned about six or seven issues and it was the best explanation of programming, also containing loads of example programs for about six different home machines, so that no matter what machine you had you could use the same program as everyone else. The learning curve was perfect when I was a kid and isn't patronising now that I'm an adult re-reading them. Those issues almost single-handedly started my love of computing (along with the ZX Spectrum).

    My brother found the entire first volume at a boot sale some years back and I read through them all again, despite knowing several languages by then (the books primarily focused on BASIC and assembly for the revelant micros, Z80 or 6502 etc.).

    Recently, I purchased the missing volumes off of eBay and they are fantastic. I only wish I had the enthusiasm to actually still sit and type out my programs any more. One text adventure had about 10 pages full of encrypted hexadecimal that you had to type in by hand, perfectly, for it to work! I don't miss those days...

    Reading back through them, like this book, the parts that were generic to computing, i.e. hardware, peripherals, storage etc., were very quickly outdated. However the computing and programming principles still stand strong and many's the time that my understanding of binary, assembly and the deeper workings of the computer have helped me.

    But it's still amazing how quickly something can go from being state-of-the-art to back-of-the-cupboard.

    1. Re:On a similar note: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man, I used to have a stack of INPUT magazines I inherited from my brother. He had the complete 1st and 2nd volumes, but sadly none of the 3rd. Over the years though a few odd issues went missing until it wasn't worth keeping any of them. Very sad really.

      I remember spending my lunch breaks at school, sat a BBC Master while a friend dictated the listings to me. I also distinctly remember the Maze game listed in the 1st edition of the 2nd volume, which was possibly one of the first things I programmed when I got my shiny ZX Spectrum 2A.

      I used to fantasise about owning a C=64, 1541 and Simon BASIC cart. Couldn't have ever afforded it though :/

    2. Re:On a similar note: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice. I might have to get those. Shame it doesn't have a Buy It Now button..

    3. Re:On a similar note: by UdoKeir · · Score: 1

      Recently, I purchased the missing volumes off of eBay and they are fantastic. I only wish I had the enthusiasm to actually still sit and type out my programs any more. One text adventure had about 10 pages full of encrypted hexadecimal that you had to type in by hand, perfectly, for it to work! I don't miss those days...

      Couldn't you scan and OCR it? Of course the problem would then be getting the data into the Speccy. If it's a 128 you have a serial port at your disoposal.

      Might be a fun project.

    4. Re:On a similar note: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One text adventure had about 10 pages full of encrypted hexadecimal that you had to type in by hand, perfectly, for it to work! I don't miss those days...

      Oh come on. Get a scanner and an OCR program. It's not cheating... its progress!

    5. Re:On a similar note: by kt0157 · · Score: 1
      Hey wow! I wrote the code for one of those articles! It was a 6502 assembly language game for the C64. A platforms jumping game thingy.

      I wonder if anyone still has the code? I sure don't (I've even lost my PhD thesis, so I'm not going to have a piece of code I wrote when I was 14).Ah, nostalgia.

    6. Re:On a similar note: by ledow · · Score: 1

      Tell me what it was called and I'll have a look... do you know roughly what it was about? I know there was a game cliffhanger but that was a entire volume for the project but if you can give more details, I'm sure I could furnish you with a scan or two.

    7. Re:On a similar note: by ledow · · Score: 1

      There always seems to be a set of those up on eBay... if you don't win that one, have a look again the following week... I had four sets at one point but now have just two (original in binders and just the magazines). Got them all off of eBay.

  51. "New"? in 1971?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    (published 1971 and re-published 1979) is an exciting look into this new thing called computer.

    Sheesh. Computers weren't a "new thing" in 1971. They were expensive, but every university in the developed world AFAIK either had one or more, or had access to one.

  52. Re:Busted by NSash · · Score: 1

    25 years after publishing, the copyright has certainly expired.

  53. Bah, that's nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I have a treasure: manual of a Wegematic 1000 computer, from beginning of 1960s.

    The machine had vacuum tubes. The operating console included an oscilloscope and bit switches for entering instructions. It did have a punched tape reader as well.

    My father programmed it for his graduate thesis, although now he is a member of the blinking twelve generation and would not survive with his mac without my IT support. Changing are the fortunes in life.

    Link: http://www.tietokonemuseo.saunalahti.fi/eng/wegema tic_eng.htm

    - ac

  54. Re:How Slashdot Works... in FireFox. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even better - there's a javascript bookmarklet that does the reflow.

    I assigned a keyword to the bookmarklet - then assigned a mouse gesture (using the mouse gestures extension) to activate the keyword.

    Now a rightclick-right-down causes any incorrect slashdot renderings to immediately snap into shape. That way I can get the page to look right, even if I don't have a hand on the keyboard to hit ctrl.

    (It's unfortunate that this bug is there, but there are so many niceties about FireFox that I wouldn't give it up just because slashdot renders funny sometimes.) Luckily, it only seems to affect my machine at work ... my home machine doesn't seem to be affected.

  55. Useful information and nostalgia in one package! by __aavljf5849 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although of course wildly outdated even when it was published (as all useful computer books always are) a good book explaining the basics is never wrong. And the basics still are the same. There is still is loads of information in these old books that would be useful to anyone getting into computers, surprisingly enough... :-)

    I held a course in TCP/IP in the early nineties. The part that most clearly divided the class was the net mask. People that had studied computer science, or were self-taught nerds, of course already knew binary arithmetic. They found using net masks trivial. The people who had ended up as network administrators by mistake (most of them, really) had huge problems. After holding this course a couple of times, I simply extended it with teaching everybody binary arithmetic first. That made it easier for most people.

    You don't need to know how a computer works to use it anymore, but a good network manager should still know it, and a programmer won't last two weeks without understanding what actually goes on.

    Well, maybe if he is using Python. ;)

  56. Dupe! by Joe+Enduser · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not only old news, I remember this being posted back in 1987 or so.

  57. reminds me of my fave quote by Dr.Knackerator · · Score: 1

    from an old late book aimed at kids about robots, computers and the like, went something like -

    "A programmer is somebody who converts problems from the real word into a language the computer can understand"

    I just love it! not 'creats solutions' but 'converts problems' LOL!

    (wish i could look it up but everything is packed away at the mo)

    1. Re:reminds me of my fave quote by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether you realise this, but that is exactly what a programmer does.

      A "problem" is nothing more than something that exists to be solved.

      ie.

      x + y = z

      Programmers convert mathematical "problems" into language that the computer can use, in order to calculate the answers to those problems, faster and more efficiently than a human can.

      Solutions are created (or discovered) by the computer, not the programmer. Otherwise, why would we need an Earth Simulator for investigating climate change.

      We solve "problems" every day in life, but the modern usage seems to be that a problem is when something goes wrong. Depends on your point of view I guess. A Rubiks cube is a problem, as is the calculation of a trajectory.

  58. Re:Busted by geoffspear · · Score: 1

    Either you're trolling or have no clue at all about copyright law.

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  59. Severe misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ... the keyboard locks and the operator has to discover where the fault lies.

    Well sh*t, my bad. I didn't realize that was done intentionally. All this time I have been telling people that it was a bug in Microsoft Windows.

  60. Excellent by Ambient_Developer · · Score: 1

    This looks like a great book, kinda like a blast from the past! I love this stuff :-)

    1. Re:Excellent by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Sad and scary, but I observed this book in use for a high school curriculum (in Texas), as recently as 1990.

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  61. human "calculators" before WWII by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The military employed rooms of women to compute ballistic tables and the like using mechanical calculators. I recall Richard Feyman mentioning this in one of his autobiographies. I presume this what lead women into programming work on the early electronic calculators and computers.

  62. trivia by museumpeace · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't the picture on pg 8 of the 1971 edition actually an IBM 360? I operated one as a student and this sure looks like a 360 without the power supply cabinet or tape drives. That would not have been considered a small system even in the early 70's. Looks like a 1403 line printer with it too.

    Having signaled that I am ancient, I may not surprise a few of you to note that the quaint and amusing quality of the book in the article is a misleading offering if you take it as history. The development of computing is both a technical and a human story of considerable depth and much more interesting reading is available.

    Anybody who actually finds this stuff interesting need not confess. Just quietly make your way to the libraray and look up Paul Ceruzzi's A History of Computing [MIT PRESS] which gets all the facts and personalities straight as well as properly labeling the pictures. If you are in a hurry to waste time, there are tons of documents on line re the history of computing, for instance such as this page of links from an IIT prof.

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    1. Re:trivia by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Informative

      yes, specifically it looks like a system 360 model 65 , which first shipped November of 1965. The oldest machine I myself have worked on was a Cyber 175

  63. Re:Programming in a high level language is somethi by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

    still programming is sort of a geek thing.

    It's probably because most people aren't used to dealing with rules that can't be cheated.

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  64. Huh by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1

    It's the Longhorn manual.

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  65. Re:Busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In The UK, copyright expires on a published work 25 years after the end of the year in which it was published. Seems the poster of the book was 7 weeks premature and thus is in breach of copyright. As stated in another post on this topic, IANAL, but there's a bunch of them upstairs here at Penguin Books (owners of Ladybird) who are looking into this.

  66. Need it now? Pay for it now. by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 2, Informative

    It always cracks me up to think about what fools we'll feel like in the future for paying top dollar for the latest and greatest hardware now.

    The key word is NOW. Why is it foolish, if you need state of the art hardware to do work (or play games) on, to pay the current prices for it? Sure, it'll be 1/2 the cost in 1 year but that's in 1 year. You need it/want it immediately, so you pay the current market rate. If your need for the item is less urgent, or you have less money, you will perhaps wait and buy the same item later, for less, ie. you sacrifice immediate usage for affordability. Applying financial hindsight in this situation is what's foolish.

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  67. Before we all laugh too loud.... by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1

    And in 2029 /. will have an article about computing in 2004 when they'll laugh at the way we...

    And if you can answer that one you'll make millions!

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    init 11 - for when you need that edge.
  68. Re: Punch cards obsolete? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1
    so now trees around the world can breathe easier knowing punch cards & tape are obsolete

    On the contrary. One of the promises of computers once was, that they would do away with much paperwork, and thus save paper. Time has shown that this is true in some respects, but computers also add bigtime to paper use. Think easy printing of e-mails received or PDF's found on the web, book shelves filled with 600+ page programming manuals...

    Many people still prefer reading hardcopy over computerscreens (and with good reason), and good/cheap 'electronic paper' has yet to hit the market.

    Paper-less office, anyone?

  69. More of the same: Economic history by HWheel · · Score: 1

    In the 19th century, men were clerks. They could earn a good salary copying letters and such. Eventually, this became automated and took less skill, men were less likely to be able to support a family as a clerk, and women moved in to fill this role.

    Obviously, the same thing happened here, except somehow over time, women have also been trained to believe that they lack the higher logic that only men can provide for programming (although I know two brilliant women programmers among the dozen or so men and women I consider very good and skilled).

  70. I own the 1976 version of this book!! by crapnutassneck · · Score: 1

    Displayed proudly in my cube. I tend to refer people to it when they ask about BGP/MPLS/EIGRP.

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  71. my first computer program in 1970 by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My school got a teletype connection to some nearby college computer, probably a DEC machine. We were allowed to write BASIC programs. At the same time John Conway's "Game of Life" was the rage in Scientific American. So I coded it up in BASIC. Took about a minute to print each generation in asterisks and blanks.
    A few years later I implemented the algorithm in bipolar circuits for digital electronics lab at the university. The display was was blobs on an oscilliscope. I recall it did several hundred generations a second. CRT computer terminals didnt really become widespread until shortly after that in 1975. They required that the price of a half kilobyte of ROM to fall to $100 (thanks to that upstart Intel). Type fonts patterns were stored in ROM. A 5x7 bit character set required 320 bytes of ROM.

  72. I found my copy of that book recently by martinthebrit · · Score: 1

    When clearing out the wardrobes in my old room at my parent's house. Brought back memories I can tell you. Computers seemed so much more exciting back then, but then again, I didn't have to work with them 9 hours a day.

  73. Why women are not into computers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being a really smart guy in highschool all the girls would come to me with their computer related questions:

    girl: Why isn't my computer working? ::blink:: ::blink:: ::blink::

    me: You need to flip that switch that says "ON".

    Women don't troubleshoot, most of them are too busy using their powers of persuasion to get easy answers.

    1. Re:Why women are not into computers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women don't troubleshoot, most of them are too busy using their powers of persuasion to get easy answers.

      Which of course means women are smarter than men.

  74. Mine! by jez9999 · · Score: 0

    Hehehe, my mummy bought this book for me when I was little. I still have it in my bookshelf today :-)

  75. Re:My god...I had this! (Those were the days) by ockegheim · · Score: 1

    I was born in 1970, and the first cover is also familiar to me, though I can't remember where I saw it. My interest in computers started in 1982 with another very well-written book (for kids) which saw me joining a computer club and trying to write a lunar lander program with no knowledge of physics. I spent my time fantasizing about ZX-81s and monopolising my friend's VIC-20.

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  76. Zuh?! by pyro+jackelope · · Score: 1

    Computers...are those things still around?

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  77. Another Old Computer by Mignon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apropos old computers, I've had a recent fixation on the Olivetti Video Display Terminal, which I saw in a book of Mario Bellini's industrial designs. It's probably just as well it hasn't shown up on eBay lately 'cause I sure don't have the space.

  78. Re:Programming in a high level language is somethi by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 1

    I'm not too sure about that myself. A definitely-non-geek friend of mine can use SQL and VB (yeah, I know...) when pressed to do so.

    I think the main thing is that few but geeks every have the inclination to learn programming in the first place. Most (non-stupid) people who have not already decided it's "too hard" or "scary" can manage programming... they just normally don't care to.

  79. Useful information and nostalgia in one package by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well math is math. I learned binary arithmatic for my digital circuits course. On my way to becoming an EE. Just as I had to learn physics as part of becomng an ME.

    Of course I no longer have to build a CPU using discrete logic, so some of this stuff is obsolete. :)

  80. indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I think people who give Ada credit for some great coding prowess are making the same mistake her mother did, which is trying to shoehorn her into science and math, for which she was not suited. By all accounts I've heard, she only got through math classes with extensive tutoring (and was miserable the whole time), and she had to mail Charles Babbage extensively for help on her notes on the analytical engine.

    Where she really comes through is (of course) in her writing, but also in her understanding of the philisophical implications of computation. She was writing about music and human thought in terms of computation when no one else was. Charles was stuck on industrial uses, it seems, but Ada had a good eye for the big picture.

    Anyway, it's just a bit of a nit of mine to see people refere to Ada as the world's first programmer or some crap like that (what about Eratosthenes?!). It's doing a great disservice to Ada's work and the role of women in computing. You want a female role model, I highly recommend Grace Hopper. Grace truly was outstanding in technical work. I think Ada took after her father, though, despite her mother, and her strengths laid elsewhere.

  81. Re: Punch cards obsolete? by LiENUS · · Score: 1

    I concur, right no I'm sitting next to 7 filing cabinets that are each 7 feet tall and 2 feet wide and about 4 feet long filled with documents printed from a computer.

  82. Computer legitimacy and toys by wandazulu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't think I ever read this book (born in 1970), but flipping through the pages, it makes me realize what computers still mean to my folks; batch cards, mag tapes, green-n-white printouts.

    Therein lies the rub; to my folks, any computer that can be fit in a single box and doesn't live in a raised-floor room, is a toy. It's actually very black and white for them..."yes it's all very nice what those toys can do for the movies, but it takes a *computer* to process GE's payroll."

    It also reminds me of when a friend of mine brought his dad in to work to show him what he did. His dad was a serious old school programmer for custom chips for Navy jets. He looked it too...checkered shirt, crew cut, pocket protector (first time I'd ever seen one). My friend shows him the *cough* Powerbuilder app we'd be working on, with its buttons and datawindows, etc., and his dad just went *pft* and waved his hand.

    The fact that I can run emulators of any of those systems and they run 10x faster has never made a dent in my folks opinion. As far as they can see, and as far as my friend's dad can see, we're just playing with toys.

    Anyone else had that happen?

    1. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      A few folks in IBM still have that attitude, although it's not as pronounced now as it was a decade ago. The PC was always a toy to the company. You bought one if your secretary needed to do typewriter stuff. You did all your business processing on the Big Iron. That's one of the reasons they didn't tike Microsoft or any other PC software seriously until realy the mid-to-late 90's. That same attitude was why they didn't put in as much effort as they should have on OS/2 -- PCs were toys and didn't multitask!

      I'm starting to see the reverse attitude in a lot of places, including some of the more clueless groups in IBM. The attitude is trending towards "We don't need no steekin' big iron!" although what's left of the old guard still knows better. The Big Iron can still do stuff PCs are incapable of, hence IBM's 15-year fruitless quest to replace RETAIN (Which is apparently written mostly in Big Iron Assembly Language) with anything else. I guarantee that when they finally do build a RETAIN replacement that provides adequate performance, it will cost three times as much as RETAIN currently does.

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    2. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by GopherDylan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd agree.. Especially after Microsoft teamed up with Fisher Price on the design work for Windows XP...

    3. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by wandazulu · · Score: 1

      I googled RETAIN and from the couple of sites that I read, it jogged the memory and I realize that I think I'd been on the receiving end of it...I worked at a government agency which had an AS/400 back in '91 and one day our local IBM rep shows up with a new 9 track drive and says he's going to install it. I said I don't think anyone had mentioned it, and he replied that the AS/400 had detected a problem and sent a message to IBM. Now I knew why there was that extra phone line attached it it.

      I think RETAIN was/is behind those cool radio-based units IBM reps carried...they had a 2 line LCD screen, a chicklet-style qwerty keyboard, but it was like an early Blackberry...the rep could find out where he had to go next, what the problem was, what parts were necessary, etc. I thought it was *very* *very* cool back then (actually, it's still cool), when I was still struggling to get a 9600bps modem working with Procomm.

    4. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny
      As far as they can see, and as far as my friend's dad can see, we're just playing with toys.

      My mom worked as Wire Chief (read: senior technician with some management responsibilities) for the Burlington Northern Railroad in the '80s when they installed a Xerox Star network. It was the first GUI I'd ever seen. Well, actually, it was the first GUI that pretty much anyone had ever seen. Anyway, there she was back at the start of the Reagan era using a graphical networked workstation with remote file storage.

      I caught myself using the "dumb it down for the old folks" voice with her one day when I was explaining that I'd made /home an NFS mount on a fileserver on my home LAN. She'd just kind of assumed that's how everyone did things, since that's what she'd been using for the last 20 years or so.

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    5. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by toby · · Score: 1

      Your folks are right. Never trust a computer you can lift.

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    6. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      You cant run a mainframe emulator that will have as good uptime as the real thing on anything less then a mainframe.

    7. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by wandazulu · · Score: 1

      No, you're right, and I thought about qualifying that in the post. I would not want to try (actually, maybe I would like to try) to process GE's payroll on an emulated IBM 1401 or 360.

      I think it was more the fact that it *can* be run; that the ability to run CICS, once only available on a 3090 or whatever, could also run on a PC running a mainframe emulator is what I was thinking.

      But you're right, the only thing that performs as good as a mainframe is another mainframe.

    8. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      But thinking about it more, it is unlikely that you could emulate a mainframe at 10x the "speed", at least in reference to a payroll system. Sure you could do the math faster, but what about the IO? I cant find any benchmarks, but I suspect that it wasent untill at least SBus (on Sparcs) or MCA (on IBM PC servers) that microcomputer IO reached 1970 era mainframes.

    9. Re:Computer legitimacy and toys by wandazulu · · Score: 1

      Heh...mentioning MCA reminded me that there was a board available for Model 95s that turned the machine into an extremely small mainframe, but could still run all MVS apps (including CICS and DB/2). Dunno about the IO on the board, but I guess it was IBMs acknowledgement that it could be done (I believe it was a "proof of concept" that never actually made it into the channels).

      As far as IO, I worked at a bank that had an ES/9000...one of the biggest around. Thing was half the entire floor of the building, in all its water cooled glory. The way it computed your balance was to go through the VSAM files, find you, then start from the very first entry and add/subtract each payment/debit until it reached the end, and you had your balance. Sure it would cache it for awhile (I think a couple of days), but eventually it'd do the whole add/subtract thing all over again.

      I could run execute the cobol program from the web, and then get the result back via MQSeries. Never saw it take more than a second...when I was at a dos console, I'd hit enter and it'd bang back the answer without delay. Fastest thing I'd ever seen.

      When I went to another job where they were facing a similar problem (having to find/compute records in massive files) I suggested that a mainframe was the way to go. Being a .com, they didn't even consider it (of course, it's not like anybody can afford an ES/9000...though I suppose the zSeries is pretty good), and as such they never had a solution that gave acceptable performance.

  83. Re:How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just curious: how do you intend to plonk an AC, on /.? Or are you trying to sound cool even though you're a clueless n00bler?

  84. Inspired when it was published! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember this book from when I was 7! Set me on this path! It was my favorite & I carried it everywhere.

    One thing that bothered me though, the mag memory didn't seem elegant.

    BTW I am in the future & writing into the wayback time server, this discussion is indeed humorous!!!

  85. Is this...GeezerHood. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Anyway, the big advantage of this book is that it may show some of you kids the kind of drivel we had to learn from back then. :-)"

    That's what ancient history class is for, grandpa. :)

    1. Re:Is this...GeezerHood. by plover · · Score: 1

      Don't argue ancient computer history with me, young man. I lived through most of it!

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  86. Re: ZX81? What video memory? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2, Informative
    Don't forget to mention that this 1kB of memory *of course* included video memory with a worst case requirement of 768 bytes (24x32)

    What video memory? The ZX81 generates screen output something like this: an interrupt routine eating 75% CPU time feeds character data to hardware shift registers, that produce a line of black&white dots on the screen. Repeat (carefully timed) until screen is done, and then remaining 25% CPU time (vertical blank period) is left for doing useful work until new TV frame begins.

    It also had "fast mode" that did away with this, leaving snow on the TV screen (but at a 4x gain in processing speed!). I always loved this machine for its wonderful use of the limited hardware. You can even build your own, or personally type in a flicker-free space invaders clone on it.

    Still used for things like controlling model trains or stepper motors, or re-built by programming the entire machine's function into a FPGA. Note: color in screenshot on last link is surely not on original hardware...

  87. reminds me, by frankvl · · Score: 1

    "One terabyte should be enough for everyone" they used to say in those early days!

    Just imagine what kind of nitwits they were, haha!

  88. Oh god am I that old... by erinacht · · Score: 1

    My parents got me this for my 6th birthday... I've still got it!

  89. Handey quote by kk2796 · · Score: 1

    We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me. -- Jack Handey

  90. core dump by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    For all you slashdooters to young to know why a core dump is called a core dump, look at page 30 of the book.

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    1. Re:core dump by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 0

      +1 Subtle, VERY subtle infact :)

      I think you whooooooooshed right over the heads of everyone.

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    2. Re:core dump by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Now I remember why I got my sig...

      The HTML page numbers got me :$
      They go from 001.html to 029.html.

      Shame they arent the actual page numbers, the real page 30 is on 016.html.

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    3. Re:core dump by cwspain · · Score: 1

      It was funnier with the buffer overflow.

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    4. Re:core dump by pherris · · Score: 1
      I use to work at a company that had an UN*X guy who was a jerk and thought his stuff didn't stink. Well, I'm in on a Saturday and start smelling some funky crap (and I mean crap) around the cubicle farm. It seems a dog (or lazy coworker) pressed a semi-fresh biscuit at the base of of the back starts. A little later I found out Mr. UN*X had come in with his dog that morning.

      After that everyone called the dog "core dump" =)

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      "And a voice was screaming: 'Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?'" - HST
    5. Re:core dump by niteice · · Score: 1

      I (13 years old) don't get it. I'm assuming that if it crapped out, it would simply drop the cores?

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    6. Re:core dump by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      No, the contents of the core memory was dumped to tape.

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      What a long, strange trip it's been.
    7. Re:core dump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Core" is the old fashioned word for what we call RAM. (Or virtual memory).

      A core dump just means the apps "working set" of memory is saved out to a disk (or tape) file. Nothing's really changed in 30 years there.

  91. Re:Programming in a high level language is somethi by edremy · · Score: 1

    We have languages such as C++, Python, Java etc now (compared to FORTRAN and COBOL they mentioned in the book) and still programming is sort of a geek thing.

    And I'll argue those languages are much more complex than FORTRAN and COBOL. I'm looking at my old F77 book. Any decent programmer could learn the entire language before breakfast. Compare that to C++. Tack on the near-infinite number of libraries you need to do interesting things in Java and C++ (I'm not familiar with Python) and I'm not surprised that programming is still a geek thing.

    Consider languages like Flash. You can do very sophisticated things in it without ever typing a line of code. How many web sites out there have goofy Flash movies? Give people easy languages and a lot more will program.

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    "Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
  92. Brings back memories... by ballpoint · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I did my first real programming in Fortran on punched cards. Nobody could punch 'CONTINUE' faster than I did at that time.

    I still remember the sound of the card reader (fla-bap, flapflapflapflapflap......) and of the line printer. To recogize when my job was done, I inserted a few carefully spaced cards full of '*'s in front of the deck, producing a unique rhythmic sound pattern when printed.

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  93. Yeah, but how does it really work? by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

    That's one of the questions that I had at the back of my mind when I got my first PC, a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I (with the 16K expansion!) in 1977. I could program the thing in BASIC, and learned some other rudimentary stuff, but really I didn't understand it. It seemed magical.

    The question stayed with me through high school, until finally in college I learned about transistors, NAND gates, latches, full adders, microcode, machine code, assembler, compilers, UNIX, and how it really worked.

    But it still seems magical.

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    sigs, as if you care.
  94. punch cards by kencurry · · Score: 1

    my first programming class, fortran: we typed code on a terminal which punched each line on a card (80 chars). Your program was a deck of cards!

    sniff, the good ol' days...

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    sigs are for losers (except to point out that sigs are for losers)
  95. Lovely for some; for others, not so lovely by Bozdune · · Score: 1

    1971: when men were men and women were keypunch operators.

  96. Re:How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't resist, could you?

  97. Copyright and an anecdote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firstly, this book is still under copyright.

    Secondly, I heard a story that a UK government department placed a large order for several hundred copies of this book in 1979 or 1980. Ladybird books wrote back explaining that the book was aimed at children aged between 9 and 11. The government department wrote back confirming the order!

  98. Women and Computers-Math's Hard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Of course, we really haven't totally outgrown that attitude yet. Lots of young women would still agree with that Barbie doll who said "Math is hard." Lots of parents and teachers are still working hard to overcome all the pressures on kids (girls and boys) to remain technically ignorant. This social battle will go on for a long time."

    For some "Math is hard". Just as there are people who in this day and age can't read. We all aren't wired the same, but our learning methods sure act as though we are.

    1. Re:Women and Computers-Math's Hard. by Jecel+Assumpcao+Jr · · Score: 1

      For some "Math is hard". Just as there are people who in this day and age can't read. We all aren't wired the same, but our learning methods sure act as though we are.

      As Seymour Papert (one of the inventors of the Logo programming language) likes to point out, when French was regularly taught in USA schools hardly anybody learned it. Yet a few did, probably due to being "wired differently" as you put it. The interesting thing, however, is that in France 100% of the children learned it perfectly. So it is obvious that the learning method can make a difference.

      When kids can't read or do math, how can we be sure that with some very different system they wouldn't have learned perfectly?

    2. Re:Women and Computers-Math's Hard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to learn a language in a vacuum.

      Most people, before moving to a country that speaks a different language, have spent years learning that language. And they do poorly at it, amongst the natives.

      Often though, they make huge gains shortly after beiung immersed in the culture *that speaks that language*.

      In other words, it should be no surprise that French children learn French well, and that American children don't. Conversely, American children have higher rates of English aptitude than equivalent French children -- even when neither has an English heritage (eliominating 'genetic advantage').

      Why?

      Because you learn the language around you.

    3. Re:Women and Computers-Math's Hard. by jc42 · · Score: 1

      We all aren't wired the same, but our learning methods sure act as though we are.

      Yeah; that's a major problem with our educational system everywhere. Not many teachers seem to be able to fight it.

      A incident in grade school taught me how this can work. At the end of one school year (5th I think), we were taught long division by the usual rote ritual approach. It made no sense at all. No clues why you would ever want to do something so bizarre; no attempt to explain the meaning; I didn't get it at all. At the start of the next year, a different teacher tried teaching the topic. I got it right away. As I recall, the critical points were the teacher's offhand comments that we were just doing repeated subtraction and the blank area inside the triangle represented zeroes (but there was no point in writing them). This produced an "Aha!" reaction in my brain, and it all made sense.

      Of course, it probably helped that the second teacher had mentioned what division was good for. It also helped that she had also taught us that 123 = 100 + 20 +3. These parcels of information went a long way to make it comprehensible. Well, to me at least, though it was clear that most of the other kids still didn't understand.

      That teacher was also one who figured out that a few of her kids were bright and already understood most of the material. Rather than treat us as nuisances to be repressed, she sat us in the back of the room and told us we could spend our time reading anything we liked. She was available for questions, but she had to spend most of her time trying to teach the "normal" (wink, wink) kids.

      Some time later, I ran across a remark that the classroom lecture is the best method known for teaching people who can't read. This teacher had obviously figured this out on her own, and did the best she could to help the few kids trapped in a school system that didn't really want to educate them further.

      But she was unusual. She's also the only teacher before high school whose name I can still remember.

      (And the two other kids reading in the back were both girls. ;-)

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      Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
    4. Re:Women and Computers-Math's Hard. by renoX · · Score: 1

      > [learning French poor analogy] the learning method

      I'm not sure this is really related to the method but about the time spent!

      Ask someone to do something everyday all the time and he'll probably will be much better at it that someone else doing it 4h a week, whatever the learning method used (unless it is really, really poor).

    5. Re:Women and Computers-Math's Hard. by Jecel+Assumpcao+Jr · · Score: 1
      It's hard to learn a language in a vacuum.

      Exactly! And it is hard to learn math in a vacuum, yet it is what is being attempted.

      Consider that in both the foreign language and math classes the kids:
      • don't have any use for the stuff other than getting grades
      • don't see their parents using it, or even the teacher except as needed by the class. And asking the parents for help with the homework makes this impression stronger because they seem to have forgotten absolutely everything about it

      So Papert suggested that we create a "Mathland" where these things wouldn't happen. He did a great job with Logo, but sadly many people didn't understand the ideas and perverted it into the world's most boring drawing program.
  99. Slashdot in History by LouisvilleDebugger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ca. 3500 BC: Calculi is dying

    ca. 2500 BC: Cuneiform is dying

    1835: Babbage Design: 1. Make a precisely-machined brass gear 2: now do it a million times 3. ??? 4. Profit!

    1837: The Analytical Engine is Dying

    1978: BSD is Dying

  100. 1977 Byte magazine by coyote-san · · Score: 1

    I still have a few issues of Byte magazine from the late 70s. Remember when they had an annual "language" issue where they exposed readers to a new language - Lisp, APL, etc.?

    Anyway, I have ads for 128k floppy drives for over $1000. 4k of memory would cost hundreds of dollars. All of this far beyond what a HS student could afford. The mass storage for my first two computers (and the default for the first IBM PCs) were cassette tapes.

    On the flip side one of my college labs (1981 or so) was a SBC with a 8080, a hex keypad and LED display, and one of those new-fangled breadboard things. It was easy to wire up 74xx chips into the system for experiments.

    Ah, for the days when you could hand-assemble your code and enter it via a hex keypad... (or via the large toggles on the front of an IMSAI.)

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    For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
  101. Re:How to tell if you are a linux fanatic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    12. You have problems in understanding Windows, and you will blame your own incompetence on Microsoft.

    I don't know about the other points but this one is most certainly true. The amount of ignorance that many Linux users display in regards to Windows is astounding. As someone once put it, listening to slashdoters talk about windows is like listening to AOLers talk about Linux.

    Really. I hate microsoft and love open source but economic reality forces me to work as a windows sysadmin so I understand windows strengths and weaknesses and constantly seeing Linux advocates say untrue things about windows really bugs me because that is actually hurting the Linux cause.

  102. Re: ZX81? What video memory? by Angstroem · · Score: 1
    I know. That's why "newline" on the ZX81 is mapped to dec(118) which "accidentally" is the Z80's NOP...

    Having a decent graphics hardware would save the CPU from being responsible for feeding the shift register... But even with the ZX81 you still have to store your 24x32 char screen. Call it screen buffer or whatever, after all it's your video memory.

    The same hardware for video generation was also used for tape storage which produced interesting patterns during load/store operations. But you could instantly see the quality of your recordings and eventually adjust volume etc.

    Makes me wonder what an early NEC multisync would show...

  103. Line Printer Mischief in the 70s by Wansu · · Score: 1


    There was much mischief made with line printers. Some student wrote a program called, "paper cutter", that would continuously print all the characters without advancing the paper in the line printer. So it kept printing over the same area until it became saturated with ink. It sounded like the printer was going berzerk. The soggy area would disintegrate from the motion of the print heads and the printer would have to be powered down to clear it's buffer, clean the ink off the drum and rethread paper. Another mischievous act was the use of "explode programs" to print obscene banners.

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    Wansu, th' chinese sailor
    1. Re:Line Printer Mischief in the 70s by landergren · · Score: 1

      Right - and don't forget the songs that you could 'play' on the line printers by changing the character and frequency - tough on the ears but very recognizable.

  104. Actually... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    ENIAC wasn't a programmable computer, but a programmable calculator. It may be difficult to see the difference, but at the time ENIAC was being designed and built, the concept of arbitrarily operating on symbols (that could stand for numbers or anything else) was only being born (by Turing mainly). Up until the EDVAC, (or was it EDSAC, or Mark I? Too many old machines) - the stored program/data architecture (Von Neumann) didn't exist (the ENIAC was closer to a Harvard Architecture machine - that is, separate "memory" areas for data and program).

    ENIAC also was a decimal machine, not binary - the counter registers (which could only add - subtraction was done via another method akin to 2's complement arithmetic, but on Base 10) were simple 10 flip-flop ring-counters built on vacuum tube technology. Basically, the system was a very, very fast adding machine, which could be reconfigured to move and add results around from various registers, until a final result was obtained. This reconfiguration was done via plugboards and wires originally, though later a punchcard system was added (late 40's-early 50's).

    According to *every* history book on computers I have read, ENIAC was developed to create firing tables - prior to that, such tables were created by "computers" (the human version) - and were difficult to make, very error prone, and with the new number of weapons being created and used during WW2, impossible to keep up-to-date (what was really interesting is that ENIAC was essentially Babbage's Difference Engine, and to some extent the Analytical Engine, realized in electronic form). ENIAC was designed to address this, but was really too late in the effort: the war was over before it really could have any impact.

    IIRC, ENIAC was also used somewhat for some atomic bomb calculations (actually, according to both computing and atomic bomb histories I have read, any computer or calculator that had spare cycles was fair game for such calcs - ENIAC was one among many) - but this didn't really come into play until later, after the war.

    Read the history books - there are tons of them. Be sure to read both about the history of computing - from the abacus on forward - as well as about the role computers played in war time - especially in the case of WW2 - where atomic bombs and computers meshed - producing a weird combination of people versed in both (like Von Neumann) - as well as code breaking and war (Turing). Also the history of table calculation (Babbage's Machines and ENIAC), the need to calculate the census (Hollerith, who begat IBM). Read about the connections between automata and computers. There are actually a ton more of "connections" between some the "greats" in this history (Jaquard and Babbage knew each other well, for instance - there is also the connection between Mary Shelly, Tesla, Babbage, and Twain - in regards to Kemplan's Chess Playing Turk - which, while not an automaton, inspired, awed, and moved people to think about machines thinking, something which has driven computing for such a long while, even today).

    If you have an interest in computers and computing - there is so much out there to know about the wonderful history, legends, and facts - the interconnections, the friendships and knowledge shared between people, etc - it is all a part of what is now these small and large machines around us. The more I read on it, the more I discover about it, the more amazed I am. It is literally beautiful...

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    Reason is the Path to God - Anon
  105. White Heat by Vollernurd · · Score: 1

    On Page 17 of the 1979 edition there is a check (or cheque) with pence marked on it. Then I remembered that we used to have an I.T. industry!

    Ahh, I'm getting the warm glow associated with Tony Benn's "White Heat of Technology", ash veneer, polished steel trim, and Sir Clive.

    Oh yeah, and keyboards that lasted forever.

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    Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules.
  106. Computer...magic? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    A computer does exactly what you ask it to.

    I think the awe and such you see stems from the fact that while a computer, in essence, is a simple machine (ie, a UTM) - the fact that it can do so many complex things, in a reprogrammable and commandable fashion - is nothing short of amazing.

    However, even this is being turned on its head: Read "A New Kind of Science" by Stephen Wolfram - in which he posits and develops a theory of complexity arising from simple algorithms - to the point of being able to develop UTMs from 2D cellular automata running in as few a six "instructions"! Six simple instructions, arising to create (or emulate) a fully functional symbolic computer. This isn't the only thing he proposes. No, this isn't magic - but it seems damn close...

    On the subject of brains: I am currently reading a book entitled "On Intelligence" (whose author's name escapes me - he is the founder of Palm and Handspring) - in which he presents a very interesting theory on the human neocortex, how it works, and how consciousness, intelligence, and understanding arise from it. I haven't finished it, but the basic premise is that everything we are and do is the result of pattern matching (that is, at the neocortical level - emotions and other feelings tend to happen at lower levels, with feedback up and down from the neocortex - he doesn't discount this - but he is more concerned with creating intelligent machines without this extra baggage - whether that would be a good or bad thing is debatable). He presents an interesting thought experiment, which he terms the "100 step rule": Imagine a ball is thrown to you, how do you know to catch it? Or - how would you get a robot to catch it? The common way would be to have cameras and a computer to do calculations on the fly, etc - to arrive at an end-point to catch the ball. Rarely does this work, more often than not, such an attempt fails horribly - one only has to look at the Darpa Grand Challenge to see the results. So - how does the human brain do it? The neurons in the brain take, on average, 20ms to propagate a signal. In two seconds, you have your hand positioned to catch the ball - thus, 100 propagations through the neural net, right? Or, 100 steps. How is this possible? Part of the answer lies in the parallelism of the network - but the majority, at least according to this author - comes also from pattern matching: that as your eyes see the ball, patterns are matched from earlier trials of catching an object (the "ball-ness" is abstracted away - the patterns are "catching flying object"), to cause feedback to the arm nervous system (which causes feedback itself to the brain, for other patterns) to move the arm - in effect, through hundreds/thousands of trials at catching objects, your brain has stored away those patterns (of vision, movement, feeling, etc) for recall and playback any time a ball is thrown toward you. BTW - how many times have you had something thrown toward you that you didn't try to catch? If it comes into your sight, you are likely going to try to catch it - because of the patterns set up in your brain to do so - this "reflex" action comes from all of those trials (starting as an infant or a little later, I would suppose).

    Anyhow, read the book - very fascinating...

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    Reason is the Path to God - Anon
    1. Re:Computer...magic? by Sai+Babu · · Score: 1

      Wowsa!
      Thanks.
      Will try to scout a copy this afternoon (it's cold and wet and Friday traffic in Atlanta is a nightmare so I'm blowing off work)

      I'm thinking it's about time to start playing with some mouse brains. Back in the early 70's I was the lowly mouse training, mouse decapitating, mouse skull peeling, lyopholizer running, dialysis sorting, 'memory collecting' lab assistant for an experiment looking at large molecules as constitutients of memory in the brain. Wrong track, but lots of fun at the time.
      Now it's looling like brain interfacing might be a lot of fun. The airplane flying mouse brain cell collection is pretty cool, but it's the I/O that's really got me excited.

    2. Re:Computer...magic? by Sai+Babu · · Score: 1

      OK, so I bought 'A New Kind of Science' and have been reading.
      Wolfram says, "...from experience in practical computing one knows that it is very difficult to foresee what even a simple program will do. Indeed, that is why bugs in programs are so common."
      Granted, this is in the beginning of his book where he is presenting cellular atomata to 'the common man'. But for crying out loud Wolfram, the computer is doing just what you told it to. Your 'simple program' is deterministic. Sure, the result may be an unexpected pattern but it's reproducible and the pattern that emerges is always the same!

    3. Re:Computer...magic? by Sai+Babu · · Score: 1

      Thanks again.
      Bought and read "On Intelligence"
      Problem is that reading aroused a desire to do some software experiments that I've no time for.
      About 1/3 way though Kalmans book. Man, he shoudl have co-authored with someone having a bit more writing experience. It's tedious. But, slowly coming around to relating to how he is thinking has helped a lot. It's still tedious though!

    4. Re:Computer...magic? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Since you seem to be interested in all of this, I thought I would let you know about a few other books which might pique your interest:

      Linked, by Albert Laszlo Barabasi. Out of Control by Kevin Kelly. Emergence by Steven Johnson

      Also - if you are brave, and don't mind an "internet kook" - look up "Project Mentifex", "Arthur T. Murray", "AI4U", "Mind", "MindAI", "Mind.Forth". What this will lead you too is fascinating, if convoluted. Basically, this guy, "Arthur T. Murray", aka. "Mentifex", is a known internet "kook", has been banned from many lists, etc - for his spam-like promotion of his ideas (or insanity?) about a program he claims will bring about AI (in its "utmost" form?). Most AI people on the internet despise him. I find his ideas fascinating, and I couldn't just pass him off as a nutcase - I feel that even if he does exhibit mental issues, there may be a grain of truth in his claims, however non-scientific they are. He has published a vanity book, as well, on his theories - buy it if you wish, but the majority of the information can be found on the internet. What is truely interesting, once you read between the lines and realize what he is trying to say - is that what he postulates (though in a "stream" fashion, rather than a neural net or other fashion) - is basically the same kind of model and ideas being related in "On Intelligence". I think there is promise in the ideas, if not in the presentation...

      Good luck in your studies...

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      Reason is the Path to God - Anon
  107. Repost! by Jimmy+The+Leper · · Score: 1

    Come on, wasn't this on slashdot in 1971, then again in 1979? Don't the mods even check for redundant stories?

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  108. Slightly OT: Anyone still use punch cards? by wandazulu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because these books talk about a time when punch cards were still all the rage, and because my Ask Slashdot article was rejected, I'll ask here:

    Does anyone still use punch cards? I know some states used punch cards for the Nov 2 election, but I'm wondering if there are still decks of cards at companies waiting to be run through and the output printed on green-n-white paper.

    It's not a criticism or putdown question, I can believe there are some jobs on some equipment that just can't (or won't) be ported to something newer, and "what worked for us back then works for us now."

    Just curious.

  109. punch cards in college by mcguyver · · Score: 1

    I once had a college professor test us on how to use punch cards. We knew he was crazy when he started to teach how to add and subtract binary and hex by hand. I would have walked out had I not been 13 and unable to drive home.

  110. The Story of Mel, a Real Programmer by Devar · · Score: 1

    A great story I feel appropraite to this topic. Enjoy :)

    Real Programmers write in FORTRAN.

    http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_ 49 .html

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    It's a Bagel.
  111. spelling and grammar homework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you are doing better!

    amiased
    acomplish
    taskes.
    And how today many of them are done a lot easier.(not a complete thought)

    1. Re:spelling and grammar homework by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I are havening a good speling dai.

  112. Ahh nostalgia... by atcurtis · · Score: 0

    I remember having the '79 edition as a kid...

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    -- The universe began. Life started on a billion worlds...
    -- Except on one where stupidity was there first.
  113. Yeah, that woman certainly was purty. . . by Excen · · Score: 1, Funny

    . . . and just think, if you actually bathed and moved out of your parents' basement, your dreams just might come true.

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    "No beer until you finish your tequila!" -Leela's Dad
  114. computer camp by Misanthropy · · Score: 1

    I remember one summer when I was a kid my parents sent me to "computer camp"
    I don't remember much about it except I didn't really like it. But that's not the point...The thing I do remember is when they gave us a tour of the IT department (except I don't think they used that term back then - c.1985).
    Anyway, the guy who was giving the tour proudly displayed their Hard Drive that held an amazing 420 MEGAbytes. It was this huge washing machine-sized thing with 12 inch platters. I thought it was pretty cool, too. I remember telling my dad how cool it would be to have one of those.
    Now that I think about it, it would be pretty cool to have had some giant hard disk hooked up to my C64!

    Now I walk around with 20Gigabytes in my pocket (and kinda wish I had 40) we've come a long way.

    1. Re:computer camp by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Anyway, the guy who was giving the tour proudly displayed their Hard Drive that held an amazing 420 MEGAbytes.

      You're probably not much younger than I am, which is what makes this absolutely crazy... To me, a 420 meg drive is no antique. I've got a 20 megabyte MFM drive sitting in an 8088 with an EGA video adapter. And even that isn't that old.

      My boss tells me stories of the first hard drives he used. They were about the size of a washing machine, held about 2 megabytes, and could actually "walk" across the floor due to the vibration of the various mechanisms.

      He also used to program relay computers, which were computers made entirely out of (you guessed it) magnetic relays and reed switches. He said they sounded like a chainsaw when operating, due to all the contacts opening and closing hundreds of times a second. He also told me about how you would debug your program by listening to the clicking of the relays. He said a program stuck in an infinite loop produced a very distinctive sound.

  115. Re:How Slashdot Works... in FireFox. by Misanthropy · · Score: 1

    The comments render all wacky for me about half the time.
    Using latest 1.0 version, and on my fresh-today-built G4 optimized version.

    you can do the ctrl+/- (cmd-/+) trick, but considering that slashdot has one of the highest percentage of Firefox users on the web it would be nice if they made it look right in Firefox.

    I'm guessing the slashcode is so hacked that doing something like this would be a major undertaking.

  116. Well this is almost STEAMPUNK ;-) by CDrewing · · Score: 1

    Don't ya think?

  117. ICL Orange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was a 2904 operator in 1979 - Those are MY EDS60's - Imagine it - A whole 60 megabytes on one disc pack!!! Real computers will always be orange to me....

  118. Re:Busted by lauterm · · Score: 1

    This is the United States and we do have to protect Mickey.

    From the following web-site:
    http://www.ivanhoffman.com/expiration.html

    Effective January 1, 1978, the United States Copyright law was changed substantially. Previously, a work's period of protection began either when it was published with a proper copyright notice or registered if the work was registered in unpublished form. The period of protection lasted for an initial term of 28 years and could be extended for a second period of 28 years if the copyright was appropriately renewed during the initial 28th year.

    When the 1976 law came into effect, the statute extended the renewal term from 28 to 47 years for copyrights that were subsisting on January 1, 1978, making these works eligible for a total term of protection of 75 years and now under the new law, that term is extended for a total term of 95 years. But the copyright owner had to file an appropriate renewal application in order to obtain this extended protection. As a result, a person inquiring as to the status of the copyright of works falling into that time frame has to search the records for that renewal certificate.

    In 1992, when the law was amended again, it automatically extend the term of copyrights that had previously been published with a copyright notice from January 1, 1964 through December 31, 1977 to the further term of 47 years and eliminated the requirement to file a renewal application, even though filing such a renewal provides certain benefits. And now, all works published with a copyright notice after January 1, 1964 but before December 31, 1977 have an additional term of 20 years from the previous 47 and a total term of protection of 95 years.

  119. Re:Busted by lauterm · · Score: 1

    Sorry, please ignore the ignorant American who assumed that this book was printed in the US when it was in fact published in London. Maybe I should move to London. Copyright law sounds much saner in the UK than in the US.

  120. I had this book... by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 1

    Little did I know I'd be having anything to do with computers or IT in general.

    I also had Magnets bulbs and batteries and many years later worked with electronics.

    Then there was how to build a transistor radio - years later I got my ham licence...

    These little books were really good at the time and some of them are now collectors items.

    (Mine were chewed by dogs, scribbled in my "friends" or stolen - "can I borrow (er never bother to return) that?"

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    My hyperlinks aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
  121. Re:Busted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you're joking. If you aren't, I'll gladly take it down. I assumed as these were so long out of print no one would care if I put them up.

  122. A viusal blast from the past by IIH · · Score: 1

    For those that remember when coding meant peeks, pokes, and games were worth playing, look at Hey, Hey, 16k (Flash 7 needed, but it's well worth it!

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    Exigo spamos et dona ferentes
  123. reprinted for the British Army by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this book was actually a very good introduction to the concepts of computing for the computer ignorant (which most people were in the 70s).

    from a history of Ladybird books, which was a children's book publisher

    " How it Works: The Computer was used by university lecturers to make sure that students started at the same level. Two hundred copies of this same book were ordered by the Ministry of Defence. The MOD wanted the books to be bound in plain brown covers and without any copyright information, to save embarrassing their trainees! "
    http://www.theweeweb.co.uk/ladybird/ladybird_hi sto ry.php

  124. TAUGHT. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TAUGHT. The word is TAUGHT.

  125. Also now missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Introduction to Microcomputers Adam Osborne was written in 1979 and can still teach some things. I wish I new who I loaned my old copy out to

    Make sure to ask for the "k" back as well.

  126. sign of the times by yourassisowned · · Score: 0

    yup just goes to show that you still dont know nothin'

    fecken arrogant american linux luvun twats

    M$oft

    1. Re:sign of the times by yourassisowned · · Score: 0

      go on then /. me

      RTS via M$oft -- admit it coder bill has got you playing games -- the penguin cant play

  127. Interesting what's still used... by corestore · · Score: 1

    Interesting... have a look at: http://davidguy.brinkster.net/computer/012.html I've just been shopping on ebay - check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =5136915839 Funny how the CPUs and disks from 1971 are long gone, but still so many places have the tape drives... my last place of work (IBI) was still using identical drives when I quit! Mike http://www.corestore.org

  128. I have the 1979 edition at home... by coma_bug · · Score: 1

    Last year someone asked me how my computer worked (he hadn't used Linux before) so I handed him the book. He didn't ask me another question after that -- I guess the book answered them all ;)

  129. my dad used to work on these by kobach · · Score: 1

    http://davidguy.brinkster.net/computer/1979/01.jpg I showed my dad that pic and he remembered those and named them. (2314 disc drives) had hydrailic servo motors he said, adjustable heads, removeable packs, ran on 3 phase 208 power.

  130. I wish my electronics degree texts... by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

    ...were light reading like that. I guess it was much more common for people to have no idea about computers back then so they needed a "gentle" introduction.

    I remember Ladybird books from the library when I was just a wee lad...I think they exclusivley published childrens books. Between grades I and III I was big into science type books and there was a series of them from Ladybird--I probably took all of them out eventually. I think they were noted for making Sunday School books too.

    Even the 1979 version of the Ladybird book was looking dated when I was into those books. My first face to face encounter with a "real live" computer was aroung 1981 seeing the "computer lab" that the big kids got to use (I think it was a whopping three Commodore PETs--in Canadian schools Commodore ruled until Apple hit its stride a couple years later--probably because Commodore was originally a Canadian company in addition to it being an early player in the PC market). Later us younger kids got to work on the "new" Apple II+s (but odd ones--they were black instead of beige and were labelled "Bell+Howell" like the movie projectors) and eventualy Commodore 64s.

    I guess I was an odd duck...I liked science and technology books at an early age--besides those I liked Roald Dahl (Charlie and the chocolate factory, etc), Mortechai Richler (Jacob Two Two books) and Ian Fleming (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang). So if it wasn't science-related it was fiction that was just a bit twisted. If I wasn't destined for a career in science or engineering I probably would've been another Tim Burton.