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Gmail Adds POP3 To Email Accounts
VaultX writes "Gmail has recently added POP3 services to their free email accounts. This would allow someone to use gmail without ever seeing any of their advertisements. They are also providing SMTP, both POP3 and SMTP are forcing the use of SSL/TLS. Very interesting...now where's IMAP and what's the catch?" It's being phased in, though, so not every gmail account yet has POP access.
My guess is that they'll inject adverts in to your e-mail when you download it using pop. The move wouldn't make sense otherwise.
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Is it pure altruism? Or is there another revenue source behind this move?
If you're using POP3, you're probably deleting the mail from the server, so they don't have to buy as many storage devices.
So how are they going to make money? Are they going to start advertising to POP users via email? If not, than this is great news.
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IMAP and what's the catch?
apple decided to copyright it
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It seems like it would map better to IMAP. POP is more of a download to client and delete-off-server thing. This certainly would crush the webmail competition if Google can find a way to profitibably do this!
I don't seem to have this yes on my account. Am I missing something?!
I must say that after Yahoo! decided to charge for POP access I said "never again will I rely on a 'free' service." Once you grow to rely on this account for POP access to your pdas. phones, etc. they have you by the short hairs.
Maybe they will prove me wrong and they wont pull a Yahoo, but for now, I am staying put and using my gmail account as my spam catch all and for its very best feature: geek street cred.
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I wonder what software they're using... talk about massively scalable!
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And weither imap will follow next
I'm speaking out of ignorance here, because I don't know if there's a catch for their POP3 service, but just for reference the catch for one of their other features, forwarding to another address, is that it is "free for now."
What's the point of 1 gig online if everyone uses pop to turn it into offline email?
What benefit do they receive by adding POP3 support? Will they put ads into the bodies of my emails now?
I don't think I'd use POP3 if it polluted the contents of my inbox with ads, but I might use IMAP if they added that. I love Gmail but I really want a calendar application to keep track of my appointments. Once Gmail adds that, even a simple version, I'll be in heaven.
I would have used gmail more, but it's annoying having to load up the site. PLUS it was annoying not being able to get a mail count without downloading some off the cuff utility. POP3 is no IMAP, but it is a good start and shows that Google really DOES have a good corporate mindset.
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Then again, maybe they realize that a large portion of their audience probably won't take advantage of this. Just a bunch of geeks like you and me who visit /. on a daily basis.
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This is a great addition to gmail's long list of advantages over other free web-mail services.
Thing is though, the gmail web interface is so good I don't want to use pop3.
*sigh* ignorance is bliss...
As long as they dont pull a hotmail and start sending emails to all their users ill be happy with gmail. Got my pop gmail working great B.T.W. Finally everything i wanted outta gmail.
The thing is you can leave a copy on the server, and have them locally and on webmail. THAT's what's usefull about this.
Fantastic! I can finally use gmail on my PDAphone... Google doesn't support gmail on PocketPC... but I can d/l my mail to my desktop mail prog, then sync that way. Bravo Google. Keep pumpin.
I already have plenty of POP3 accounts. I would use Gmail if it has a nice way to read messages there. The webmail I get from my various ISPs isn't very good - Gmail is better.
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I can't believe they would do that. It's just too resource intensive. If they did though, I think a lot of us would give up our self-hosted vanity domains. The gmail interface beats the crap out of squirrelmail.
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It's being phased in, though, so not every gmail account yet has POP access.
/. in order to get an invite to use the POP3 access.
Apparently, you have to go around begging people on
I have been wanting PoP mail (or any other mail protocal that will allow me to download to my Mozilla email client) for the longest time.
Way to go GMAIL!!!! I can finally complete my transition!!!
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They can inject ads in your Email.
They can also send an ad to your Email address once every month.
But being Google they are probably trying to keep the goodwill of the people so my guess is that they will provide some type of service, such as a monthly summary of your correspondence, or something like that, and include ads in those service Emails.
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From http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answ er=10339
Q: Does G-mail support IMAP?
Gmail doesn't currently support IMAP access. As part of our ongoing commitment to give our users easy access to their email, we have introduced POP access. We look forward to announcing more features as they become available.
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The fact of the matter is that many people had already circumvented the web based service to use it as pop3 anyway. Search on google (kinda ironic that this is how you'd find the screenscrapers?) for pop3 and gmail, and a ton of links showing screenscrapers and converters pop up. Worse yet, some of them came with spyware...
I think google realizes that many people prefer the benefits of web-email anyway (there are major advantages) and if a few people want to use pop3, then it won't hurt them too much.
Now the question is, does it cache everything on their end sort of like imap? i.e. is it working as a true pop3 service, or is it just a pop3 frontend hack.
Why do you need IMAP? Google doesn't use folders, and the label concept does not fit well.
IMAP is not that much faster in my experience, though I am given to understand that IMAP is by default more secure than POP3. Anyone know for definate?
My guess is that they'll inject adverts in to your e-mail when you download it using pop.
I thought they'd do just that too, but I currently use the Forwarding feature that lets you send any mail that comes to your Gmail account to another address. Forwarded gmails come into my inbox ad-free.
If they didn't add adverts when forwarding, I don't see why they'd do it when using POP3.
I don't have POP options yet. :( I hope mine appear soon.
They're just doing this so they can catch all of us...err, I mean, all the people who have multiple GMail accounts. They'll get us...err, all of the people who do a massive batch mail check at once! :)
No ads via webmail, but via the desktop search or their own popclient??
I half expect to see google ads when I open my fridge--just sitting there tastefully placed in the door bins.They probably will put adds into the body of the email and people will probably accept it. After all, it seems you can't visit any websites anymore without seeing google-placed ads. If people start seeing them in their email they will just get used to them and google will be on it's way to more profits.
Now will someone PLEASE tell me how to get a gmail account?
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Lets just hope this stays free and isnt one of those "You can have it now while in beta but we're going to charge for it later". I hope so, I was getting tired of running POP Goes the Gmail anyway. My geekgut tells me to be worried about spammers abusing the SMTP but then I realize that SMTP or no SMTP its going to be the same so I'll just enjoy this POP3 access while it lasts. At least they're requiring TLS and SSL and authentication. Oh, and here's hoping for IMAP4. Whats next, MAPI?, that would be cute!
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Is the TLS/SSL requirement only on the sender?
Or will GMail deliver to smtp servers that don't have TLS/SSL (like unpatched qmail)?
Scenario 1: I would speculate along the lines of their software initiatives, such as the Google Browser. That is where the real intention lies. In this new war, it is all about the lowest common denominator. By offering free POP3, they are pretty much saying that advertising through email isn't unique or their main focus. I'd wager that the lesson they learned from gmail was that advertising using email was not a good idea, so they've taken a "purist" approach and have found a longer term strategy altogether. Scenario 2: They are simply trying to overflow other webmail platforms. Nobody offers as much storage as Google does. I don't think I'd be able to download my mailbox from gmail into yahoo. In fact, my yahoo box would overflow in about a year, so that doesn't make sense. If my yahoo account were to overflow, I'd have a hard time to trim down 100 megs of emails because I have 100 megs of emails for a reason. The catch here could be that they are trying to prove how superior their app is in the face of managing a massive volume of emails. Scenario 3: They are trying to play the card the other webmail platforms are unwilling to. Google can do this simply because of the free space they give out. If yahoo were to give out free POP3, in order to be competitive, then it would make sense to download my yahoo email into gmail.
Google would do well to start turning themselves into an all-in-one computing provider. This may portend the next step.
... it is my hope that Google has what it takes to finally relegate the PC to the junk heap where it belongs.
Nobody has figured out better than Google how to turn a zillion servers into the world's biggest distributed mainframe. Search and mail could be just the beginning. Google has built a platform upon which any variety of multiuser, Internet-wide applications can be built. Yesterday, it was search; today, it is mail; tomorrow... who knows? Maybe an office suite with built-in document management? Wasn't Microsoft supposed to have done this by now? (Hint: they can't because they're saddled with millions of lines of legacy crud.) Google can. Google has the know-how to truly put computing behind the glass again, where it belongs. And once they've delivered it to your desktop computer, they can deliver it to your phone, your set-top box, your refrigerator
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Maybe Google is looking at providing a quality service instead of a bait and switch? Who knows?
Hardly a week after the coup on November 2nd, and they've already ripped the guts out.
This is precisely -- precisely -- what Hitler did after gaining power, except that instead of enabling POP3, it was putting people in concentration camps. But I mean, it's obviously the same thing, basically. Same general idea. Anybody who's seen that smirking chimp on TV can see what he's driving at. He practically said it. I mean when he said he was going to do stuff, like be in charge of the country. He thinks he's the president now, which is just like Hitler: The Leader. He thinks he's the leader of the country. It's incredible, it's so similar.
I mean it's just exactly the same thing. And nobody voted in Ohio. Nobody. It's all a scam. A total scam. A fraud. A child could see through it.
And now they're trying to make you look at ads on your Outlook. In your email, in the ads. It's so totally corporate. This is corporate, that's what it is, Google is a corporation, in case you hadn't noticed, okay? OKAY? The corporations all voted for Hitler.
God, it's so totally just like Hitler. And now they have the zeppelins, I saw a blimp over Boston today, it was red and white just like the Japanese flag when they were on the same side as Hitler. Didn't you know Hitler had the zeppelins? He did, they had the swastika on them on the tail, they used to be over the rallies in Germany, just like Ashcroft's blimp today. Just the same. Just exactly the same. It's phallic, because they're Christians, they hate black people, that's why. They made people rape Cameron Diaz, because she's black, they hate people.
I saw this coming but nobody listened to me, and now nobody can say it, they haven't said on CBS news that Bush is Hitler! It's censorship, stifling censorship, it's incredible that they have that much control over the TV news that the news can't even tell us the truth that Bush is Hitler.
I tried the SMTP server, since it would be very handy to have a free SMTP relay out there that uses userid/password for SMTP AUTH. Saves the trouble of the complex setup required in many mail agents to get this going at home.
It works, but it rewrites your From: line to be user@gmail.com, which is OK if you are using gmail as your home base, but not OK if it is just one of your mailboxes. However, it's their server so they are free to put this limitation on it, I guess.
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Beyond all the other features that Google's Gmail has that beats out all competition, thisis like the "cow brand" on all the other yahoo/hotmail stuff that just kicks their asses. Nice work Google.
suso.org has had imap and pop and webmail for years all with unlimited storage. Some people are storing more than a gigabyte of email there.
The link just takes me to the gmail home page so I can't read what it actually says.
However, I seem to recall that Google said in the past that by "Pop3 access", they meant you'd be able to use gmail to download mail from another pop3 account, such as your regular isp or university email for instance. They did not mean you'd be able to use pop3 to download gmail to your home machine.
Now I could be wrong about this, but I think "pop3 access" could mean either of these things in this context, and the former makes more sense to me in light of Google's goals with gmail (centrally hosted, searchable, advertisements).
Does anyone know which one of these Google means? Could anyone actually get to the article describing these features, or is this all just conjecture and not fact?
Heh, I'll keep my free Gmail accounts thanks. :P
Why pay for something *and* get ads. :P
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Offline reading and composing. That, and a local client will always be the fastest.
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From http://www.google.com/gmail/help/whatsnew.html,
It's your mail. You should be able to choose how and where you read it. Access your mail the way you want to, with free POP access and automatic forwarding. You can even switch to other email services without having to worry about losing access to your messages. Think of it as email portability.
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I finally got my 250Mb of storage from hotmail today. Too bad I get all my mail at gmail now.
NOTHING is free. If you expect Google to give you everything you want without you giving them back SOME value you're either naive or a selfish, greedy little wanker.
If you don't like the inoffensive ads they run, just don't use their service. You don't have a right to it, so stop your whining.
Sheesh.
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Will this ever go past beta? because once they make it public it will definitely be abused...
is the same as it has always been. They are algorithmically analysing your entire email corpus (well, that was sent or received with Gmail, anyway) and correlating the data to determine trends, demographics, etc.
It's not like they are hiding this; it's part of the agreement you make to get free email. They have built a pipe through which a huge portion of the world's information flow can pass, and they are using it to learn things about the world and about the structure and hierarchy of human relationships.
The data is saleable, but they can profit from it without ever selling it, or ever letting any human agents access information that uniquely identifies YOU.
Remember, they sell advertising. At a premium price. All marketing and advertising agencies do data gathering, and Gmail is how Google is doing it.
It's a straight-up, informed-consent deal (at least for Gmail account holders- the issues get stickier if you send mail to Gmail because you never clicked through a use agreement) and if you don't want their robots reading your email you shouldn't use the service.
In order to pay for the service and support necessary to provide these free popup accounts they are going to have to use advertisements either in mail form or in the shoved into a new cool new mail program.
Maybe thats why they are thinking of rolling their own version of Mozilla and its Mail Client?
Come on, guys, it's time to take a hard look at the situation and realize the truth - email is on its way out. Signal fires are the next big thing. I envision a great wall running the length of the US northern border, providing both line-of-sight for these fires, and protection against the Canadian menace. Can Gmail do that, even with POP access? I don't think so.
You can't perform search with a POP3 like you can using their online util. Their online util is very handy. I bet they are banking on people sticking with that as their "tool" for email, POP3 just makes it all that much better.
My take on this is that Gmail will inject their text based ads before sending the mail to our client mail readers. I'm cool with that, as long as it doesn't screw up the original mail's format. As far as Google is concerned, they're least bothered whether someone clicks on a paid link from the gmail website or from an email client. Everybody's happy, and that's the way it should be. People often underestimate the junta's capacity to compromise a little bit, as long as they're getting a good deal. Look at the WalMart model for instance. Their selling point is their low price, not their customer service. Most people recognize this too and are quite willing to put up with understaffed and not-so-polite attendants as long as they're getting their 30% discounts. A lot of people have griped about gmail's privacy and what-not. This is all over-the-top bullshit. Recognize the value that Gmail and it's POP offering brings to the table and the compromise that it asks the users to make. For most users, it's a very reasonable deal.
GMail's forwarding works well -- and sans ads.I don't need POP3 access with forwarding.
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POP, or Post Office Protocol, lets you download messages from Gmail's servers onto your computer so you can access your mail with a program like Microsoft Outlook Express or Netscape Mail, even when you arent connected to the Internet.
* Over the next several weeks, we are introducing POP access to all of our users. To make sure the feature is fully stable, we're giving users access to POP in phases. Once POP access is available to you, a 'New Features!' link appears at the top of your account, along with a 'Forwarding and POP' tab on your 'Settings' page.
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For those who do not have a gmail account, and wish to see the announcement:
What's New page with the news. For those who just want a notifier: download here.
The text of the page:
I have also noticed the feature to delete your account (go here if you are logged in), but it does not completely get rid of your cookies, which I am disapointed by.
For those who want an account and do not have one yet, just search for it, damn it!
How about they just offer people a suitably restricted shell account?
From the Outlook settings instructions:
what's the catch?
The catch is they still have access to your email and will use very sophisticated algorithms involving complex "graphs" (similar to peer-to-peer algorithms) to generate useful information such as relationships (personal and business) and historical data sets. This is in addition to consumer information.
But don't listen to me, I haven't worked for any companies that do the same stuff with similar but more limited data sets.
I think this is great news! .gifs, flash..it's annoying
Google offers a great service, the ads aren't very intrusive... It is getting to the point that I can't stand banner ads-flashing low quality
I wouldn't care if google tagged on a "this e-mail brought to you by..." to the bottom of an e-mail that arrives through pop3 mail. Text isn't that distracting.
And finally if my demographic information, or the context of my e-mails are enough to pay for this service- I'm all for it.
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One thing I've noticed recently, that I don't remember from before, when you log out, it now says your full e-mail address (user@gmail.com) where previously I thought it just said the username. I don't remember for sure, but I think this is something new.
This makes me wonder, is it possible Google will be adding support for other domains? Maybe you'll be able to get a Gmail address for free, but if you buy your own domain, you can use Google/Gmail for your mail server (either free or with a slight cost). That would be pretty neat, especially with this recent development of POP3 support.
I can imagine Google selling a rackmount Gmail appliance (to go along with the search appliance) for businesses, free @gmail.com accounts for everyone, and free/cheap mail hosting (with your own domain) for power users.
Who knows, that is just my speculation.
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I use GMail almost exclusively now.. I check Yahoo! Mail once a week or so, and since switching ISP's I don't use native SMTP/IMAP mail.
The problems with this (which can be solved using this new POP feature) are:
- Offline access. While wifi access makes Internet access much easier, it is by no means ubiquitous. So, when I can't get online it would be very nice to have an offline copy of my mail. POP3 mirroring my GMail to Thunderbird or Apple Mail will solve this nicely.
- Sending e-mail from other applications. I got my Mom hooked on using Adobe Photoshop Album to organize and share all of her digital pictures. And, after changing ISPs (thus losing her old e-mail address) she changed to GMail. These two things didn't mix well.. PS Album uses MAPI to e-mail via your preferred mail client. With SMTP access via GMail, now everything is simple. (other than PS Album's shitty MAPI support. You have to edit the registry to add Thunderbird or Mozilla to the list of supported mail clients. Even then I ran into strange behaviors..)
--- I checked my GMail account, and it currently does not give me the option to enable POP. I guess they are opening it slowly to all users.
butthead.com has 75terabytes mail pop3, imap, and anything else you want for only $29.00 a year.
Oh they also give you your own FTP space with an OC3 dedicated to your account.
It's webmail for god's sake. Slashdot is the "all Gmail all the time" channel now.
What, none of you foaming at the mouth over yet another web based email system have your own email accounts? What gives?
gmail is easily the best webmail interface I've ever used. I want to be able to run the gmail webmail client on my own server, looking at my own email. Storage is under my control, I can back it up whenever I want to, I can delete it whenever I want to.
Hell, I'd even be ok with the app looking up ads and displaying them to me. I just want to know that my email is safe on my computer, not somewhere out there in Googleland.
It'll never happen, but hey, I can hope.
You'd think someone that knows this would post it as one of the first posts ... but no ... I have to ask for it!
WTF is the POP server? :)
Then they may be inclined to check out googles services. This probably isn't the reason but just thought i'd toss it out there.
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Just get Firefox and use the Adblock extension. Then you can use their service anyway, sans ads (not to mention other sites closer to home, sans subscriber fees. Pay once, get all the plums. Mwahahaha.)
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Well, now we can use our own mail clients to check Gmail.... When will we be able to check our POP accounts using Gmail?
why not just use your real email?
I suspect the major effect this will have on gmail usage is that people will be able to use it as a primary email account with Outlook/Thunderbird/Evolution/Kontact/whatever (as opposed to just a webmail account), which could actually increase page hits as the depend more and more on their gmail account.
I see no reason why they would have to include some sort of catch.
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Did gmail have a harddrive crash or something?
Sometime yesterday, all mail older than November 1st was deleted from my gmail account. Sent mail, archived mail, everything older than November 1st is gone.
Did anyone else have this happen?
Place your bets.... Who will win? Hotmail rolling out all of the 250MB account upgrades or Google rolling out POP3 for everyone?
What is poop3?
It makes their algorithms more accurate with more data available.
So even if you never see an ad, and they never make a cent through some kind of clickthrough on you, every email that goes through their system tells them more about the contextual online universe.
Google is ultimately in a data mining position. Data is money for them. Email is data.
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sorry but a non free email alternative is not an alternative to a free email. If gmail/hotmail/yahoo/whoever charged money for the account I wouldn't have 15 email accounts.
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Frankly, there is a world of difference between a company whose zombies spam people on innocent ISPs, and a company who sends spam through it's own mailserver. The first inflicts involuntary damage to ISP and client, while the second is undeniably opt-in and doesn't intrude on any other ISP. I'm not suggesting that Google will spam you; I'm just saying it wouldn't be evil to do so.
This is a major, major, major point of contention and THE reason i will be dropping Cox as my internet/cable provider....they offer *no* secure way to check your cox email. The webmail, does *not* encrypt or even obfuscate the uid and pass as it heads out. Their mail server does not even have the ports open to allow secure pop/smtp. They have *lied* to my ear on the phone saying the website is encrypted and that there's "something" wrong with my email client (Moz, Thunderbird, and Outlook? Think not).
i'm glad google has done this!
- Ultra-fast search.
- Labels.
- Conversations.
I use those features extensively, so even with POP3 or IMAP available I would still use the web interface, which is the best one I've seen so far.
As an added bonus, I can access all of my stored email from anywhere. The ads are non-intrusive enough so that I never look at them anyway.
Here are 2 gmail accounts for anyone that some how has not been able to get one: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-24145b7f47-f594ea6 8ff-30f6455cdb
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I stole them from my girlfriends account.
They completely rewrote all of office as a broswer based application suite. They evaluated it internally against Office XP and apparently Office XP won. Now, we'll never know why XP won. I suspect that it was deemed more profitable than the browser based alternative. It would take a lot of work to get companies to switch over to a browser based office suite, especially if it meant that the coperate data was going to be stored on external servers.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
7. Optional POP3 Commands
11 TOP Command
This is starting to get better and better. Pop3 is very conveniant. They make note that they may implement IMAP soon, but don't hold your breath. Don't get me wrong though, I still love the web based interface, it's very good for when I'm not at my home computer, but I think I'd prefer pop3 over web-based anyday. By the way, there are still a handfull of free pop3/smtp providers out there, ifrance being one of them, you just have to look a little harder than you did a few years ago.
You are, of course.. Dustin, the administrator of Slashmail.org, whose address also features in slashmail's FAQs and contact pages ?
I'm inclined to take your posting as being somewhat commercial in nature.
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Because you can't be part of the in-crowd unless you have a gmail address.
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Interesting thing with the Google SMTP server. Is that you login to the SMTP server and not matter what email address you send it from it replaces it with username@gmail.com.
Not really what I want, but I understand why they do that.
This would allow me to access my gmail account on my zaurus which supports POP, and does not have great firefox support yet. It does have Konqueror and Opera working quite well but Gmail does not allow Konqueror or Opera browsers to get mail. All in all I would call POP for Gmail a good thing.
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It's a little frustrating, reading about all those gmail-features and then, everytime when i head over there, not being able to sign up.
Thus it'd be nice to mention that it's still in the trial stage in the slashdot-article so i don't need to bother.
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you're fucking nuts. Congratulations, nice troll.
Is there currently a POP3 client that supports grouping of messages into conversations?
'nuff said.
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why not just use your real email?
Because then you can use gmail as a spam filter. Forward only what isn't spam, and let Google handle the sifting for you.
Now it's $19.99/year. I wonder where Google is heading...? ;)
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Gmail with pop3. Finally, I can try out Thunderbird.
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I can't believe that nobody is willing to provide IMAPS. I'd upgrade my yahoo mail if I could use an IMAP client to really put that 2GB to work. I'm tired of having to sync POP3 clients and not having the sent mail folder follow me around. What good is the storage space if I can't have a setup that looks the same no matter if I use the http client or any of the variety of mail clients I'll use in a day?
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... of POP3 and 1GB account, if I download everything. Plus, I don't want to setup filters in my Thunderbird all over again to sort the mails. I would like to see IMAP so that all the filtering Google does is visible to me directly along with their concept of labels.
ok so now i just look like an idiot since i told a lady at work that wanted me to invite her to gmail that she couldnt use eudora. :)
Forward only what isn't spam, and let Google handle the sifting for you.
Replace that with: "Forward only what isn't spam, and make Google replace spam with their own spam for you." It's an ad-based service, after all, so they just replace regular "online pharmeci" ads with Google "online pharmeci" ads. Just because the ads are targeted, doesn't mean they are not annoying.
Then, again, by now my eyes are trained not to pay attention to ads on a Web page - so much so that if you ask me what the ad was on the page I just looked at, I honestly couldn't tell you. If anyone told me ten years ago I'd be able to filter information like that, I'd laugh in his face.
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Im just going to be poping 1gb of mail. No big deal jebus thats crazy.
message me if you want one, i have many of them
---if anyone still needs a gmail invite, message me, i have few to spare.
What's really sad about this is that the Reuters headline for this news article was this:
"Gmail Users Soon Able to Check E-Mail Via Outlook"
Today I noticed that hotmail finally added the 250 Megs they promised me for my hotmail account - anyone else think the timing is quite interesting?
And has anyone else noticed the added 250 megs in their hotmail accounts?
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So if gmail allows pop3 and smtp, I should now be able to send an encrypted email to another Gmail account or receive one in mine and Google will not be able to parse since they will not have access to the key pair.
Does anyone know if Google has put anything in place to prevent pre-encrypting email or are they just assuming that the majority of the people using their service will not bother with this?
I make my face look like this and concerned words come out.
Oh, those tiny things on the right. Wow. I never really noticed those there :P
Seriously, the ads in gmail are *very* discreet, and have never gotten in the way. I really do barely notice them (but yes, I know they are there)
Personally, I dont care about being able to access the google mailbox via POP, or even IMAP. What I want, is to be able to use the *google* interface, to access mail on other external IMAP accounts. (Or a downloadable version of the gmail interface to install on my own webserver, but Im not holding my breath for that)
I've been using POP to access my GMail account for a while now. I use a little free open source program called FreePOPs. This little program can grab anything from Yahoo! mail to Hotmail. It can even send RSS feeds as email messages to your desktop. I'm not even going to use GMails POP access because it might not always be free, or it might have ads appended to it. Although FreePOPs doesn't do anything with SMTP, I've just been using my ISP's, since they don't rewrite the From header like Google does.
Replace that with: "Forward only what isn't spam, and make Google replace spam with their own spam for you." It's an ad-based service, after all, so they just replace regular "online pharmeci" ads with Google "online pharmeci" ads. Just because the ads are targeted, doesn't mean they are not annoying.
I won't use the service if Google actually changes my messages incoming, or if using it requires me to sign up to get periodic spam from Google.
Even so, though, I imagine Google-generated spam would be far less of a nuisance than sifting through hundreds of penis enhancement ads. The spam filtering is the only reason I use gmail for anything.
Then, again, by now my eyes are trained not to pay attention to ads on a Web page - so much so that if you ask me what the ad was on the page I just looked at, I honestly couldn't tell you. If anyone told me ten years ago I'd be able to filter information like that, I'd laugh in his face.
Is it really that new? I do the same filtration with magazines and newspapers, none of which have changed that much in the last ten years.
I get annoyed occasionally with those newpaper ads where the advertiser has tried to make it look like a newspaper article. I'm sure you know the kind: similar font, letter size, etc. to a regular article but you can tell something's a little off even before you start reading, then you spot the little "Advertisement" in small print near the top.
My annoyance stems from the idea that the advertiser is being presumptous enough to try to fool my automatic ad-avoidance habit. This goes to show how far these skills have become reflexive in me, and I doubt I'm atypical.
The trouble is, Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail, and MSN don't spam Slashdot. You just did!
Congratulations, you just became my first foe.
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Heh, know what you mean. Just like I didn't see the ipod ad in your sig...
oh wait..
Posted as AC to protect my butt.
Yahoo! Mail. POP3, SMTP.
A year later, wham. You have to pay.
Being the (sarcasm) "charitative" being that Google is, expect them to remove POP3 in a year when they have a huge user base.
Okay, this is an issue I've been trying to figure out for quite sometime. I'n currently locked-in to an old hotmail account because:
1. I cant use the email my ISP provides beacause once I leave them its over.
2. One of the unfortunate side-effects of the web is that everyone uses email addresses for verification. At this point a migration away from hotmail to gmail (or whoever) is a serious work-load and would cause all sorts of problems.
3. I get pop access through the Hot Popper program.
So, what are some alternatives? Maybe there can be a publically funded email service for "identification purposes," but I really dont want to depend on the whim of congress for funding. PBS/NPR get treated like shit, and I would expect them to do the same to "socialized" email.
Maybe we really a geek backed, volunteer email service running as a non-profit. For a nominal fee (or even free) you can have an email address for life. This can be given to the public trust like how ICANN (not the best example) run the internet/domain names.
If gmail does offer pop3, Id like to get off hotmail, but both solutions means if these companies go bankrupt or change their policies in some way that affects me negatively then I'm screwed.
Also, very few of these email outlets even defend freedom of speech. I believe I'm more protected than most because Im a paying hotmail customer, but if I were to reply to a spammer or someone I'm angry at with "fuck you," then I might be subject to account termination. That's not right.
Or perhaps this could be solved with a better TOS/Contract. An email provider who puts aside x amount of money in a savings account to defend a "if we go bankrupt we will run for 6 months as you migrate" policy will get my money, and probably lots of others.
I'd rather not have Microsoft do browser-based anything, considering their history of ActiveX-ing a majority of their products. Isn't the whole point of browser-based computing to eliminate proprietary code?
New hotmail.com and msn.com accounts already have this disabled since September.
:)
Older accounts and paid accounts still have all the access they want.
Try making a new hotmail address and set it up for http access in OE or OL. Doesn't work
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Great. Now that you've let word get out, I'd make it about a week until I can't see the genuine signals amongst all the "z0mg 3nl4rge ur p3n1s 4 fr£e!!!" ones >:(
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Weren't there rumors of a Google browser? All their moves of POP, and if encryption is added, can be worked into their browser somehow.
Hopefully an option to delete your entire trash folder in one go is in the works...
As somebody with over 70,000 messages in my Gmail Trash, I badly need a "Delete Trash" button. There's no way I'm going to delete them a screenful at a time.
I submitted POP access as a suggestion today on their feedback page. Look for filters with more than one parameter in the future!
Hey guys-
:( )
Does anyone know of webmail/local clients that can do labels like gmail does? To me, that's the slickest thing about gmail, and i'd kill a man for that feature in thunderbird (I'd code it myself, but my stuff would never past QA, even if I could get it to work
thanks-
-Bucky
Because you can't be part of the in-crowd unless you have a gmail address.
Heh. My usual email address ends with ".mit.edu", so gmail is actually a step down in geekiness. Similarly with all the folks here whose email addresses are at Cal Tech or Stanford or Berserkeley or RPI or any of the other geek schools.
Still, it's been interesting to have a gmail.com address for a few months. And I've been able to get a few friends off hotmail or yahoo by offering them a gmail account. The "geek points" are a fun thing to mention, and they seem to like it better than the more egregiously commercial services they were using.
But we'll see what the google crowd does with it. Their "Don't be evil" mantra may be in for some modifying, now that they're a "public" corporation with shareholders holding the reins. In a few years, we may find that they've gone the way of hotmail and yahoo, and we have to do something else for long-term geek-friendly email. Or maybe their mantra will still be in effect, and we'll still like them.
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This was killed because of the internal war between Net Docs and Office groups. At first Net Docs was started to kill the aging Office suite. They were building completely internet-aware, distributed suite of apps. It even worked. The scale of this all was immense. Their test lab alone consisted of more than 1000 machines. They worked in the best traditions of high-stake groups at MS - best people, no expenses spared, full steam ahead.
Then folks in Office group felt their reign is coming to an end, and started the war against netdocs. In any company a cash cow always wins against the group that's losing millions of dollars per month.
So NetDocs was shut down per direct order from BillG. That's a pity, because this stuff was already functional at the time the project was canceled.
Do messages that are filtered straight to the Spam and Trash also get downloaded via POP3?
Here in Finland we have a society called Internet Users Forever IKI. It provides permanent e-mail and web forwarding services for its members (only private individuals in Finland, sorry) and it has been quite popular among students since it was founded in 1995. I think it was originally founded by students who realized their university mail account would be gone after they finished their studies.
I have been very happy with their service. It is a non-profit organization so you are generally paying for what it takes to run the service and no more. In fact, the costs have been covered by new joining members paying their initial membership fee (30 EUR at the moment). Notice that they are only providing forwarding services, not e-mail accounts. But it is all you need to have a lifetime e-mail address.
IKI member count has been growing at rather constant rate and they now have some 15000 members. They forward more than 1.2 million mails per month.
They won't even allow you to POP your email if you don't enable encrypted connection. This is FUCKING REVOLUTIONARY. Google seems to be one of those companies who come out with an idea and everyone else thinks "how come we haven't thought of this before".
Google considers POP3 support a must-have for Gmail.
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"This is a very important feature that every e-mail system should provide. We're going to make it easy both to transition into and out of Gmail so you can use the best possible e-mail reading interface," Google's Harik said.
"We're making our way down the list of things so in the end you'll be able to access Gmail on everything," he said.
While Gmail users are served up text ads that appear next to the messages' body text, ads will not appear with messages that are downloaded via POP3 to the client e-mail applications, a Google spokesman said.
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1122
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I have had an account for, 2 months now, and I check my email and I have never seen an ad. Maybe I'm special?
Google is playing a high risk game with their reputation. E-mail is a service that is close to heart to a lot of users and even though they say that their service is in Beta, they will still disappoint people if they start charging for a function that used to be free -unless they offer a free alternative, perhaps with ads. I think that this is what they will do, they'll charge for people who don't want ads. Suits me fine.
I don't see anything related to POP3 whatsoever in my ettings. The tutorial says that you're supposed to click on the "Forwarding and POP" tab in the settings. Mine still shows up as just "Forwarding." What gives?
I still have 6 invites up for grabs, anyone interested?
Hey Ive got no such option as Forwarding and POP - only Forwarding option exists ...
Is it not enabled by default in the Settings ???
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Other than the 1000MB of storage, or not having a javascript browser available (might be time for those of you on lynx to upgrade ;-), I don't see why anyone with Gmail would want POP3 access. I think most of what makes Gmail so great is the slick, minimal, yet INCREDIBLY full-featured (and with nothing you don't need) web interface.
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Try to get away from the "here is always a catch".
Google believe they have a superior product, offering pop3 support will lure new users in, and eventually they will make the switch.
Even if they *don't* make the switch for reading new mail, they will for reading old mail. GMail store a copy of all your mail. It will not delete the mail you retrieve from teh server, just mark it as read (moving it from "inbox" to "all mail"). So when you can't remember where you put a mail with your local client, you will go to gmail and find it with google's search technology. Which will be faster. Just like it today in all cases I have tried has been faster to find information about a product I have bought by asking google, than by looking in the help files and other online documentation provided by the vendor.
Or Bigfoot, which was an email forwarding service that was "free for life", then switched to "if you sign up to receive ads, you can receive up to 25 regular messages a day; any more than that you and you have to sign up for a paid account".
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If you only need to authenticate with the email, you may want to consider getting one of the free web-based accounts. The only catch is that those addresses often accumulate so much spam that you can't use them for actual correspondence and they often have to be swept once a week or so to keep them from overflowing with spam.
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If you're in any sort of tech industry (which you probably are considering you're here), you might consider an IEEE membership. On top of the magazine and various other semi-tangible benefits, you get an e-mail forwarding address, with optional virus and spam marking/filtering.
I know the non-student dues especially are pretty hefty, but it can be worth it. And I really doubt they're going anywhere, so I'm quite confident I'll have my @ieee.org address until e-mail is no longer the going thing.
This is accually a big plus for me, as I was dissapointed to find that accessing gmail by web browser on my Pocket PC was impossible.
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Unfortunately, the gmail help center didnt have much to about it: http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?ans
I can now easily check my Gmail with a POP3 mail client.