Last summer the West Virginia State Police allowed ORINCON to test the ability of hyperspectral optical technology to locate crops of marijuana. Given the success of that test, ORINCON has been invited to participate in this summer's interdiction effort to further validate the technology and demonstrate a more advanced detection unit.
Given their history, I'd think Blizzard is one of the last companies you have to worry about "Planned Obsolescence" from. They still support online play for their earlier titles, and for most of their games, remove CD-Key checking after a while. There may be plenty of reasons to hate the decision on LAN play, but worry over planned obsolescence isn't really one of them.
Past performance is no indication of future gains as all those commercials go...
No, it just means that if you willfully facilitate others infringing copyright that your actions are against the law. This is a 36 year old precedent and nothing new.
O... then Verizon, Charter, Cox, RoadRunner, Google, Microsoft, CISCO, d-link, netgear, etc, etc are going to jail then? Yeeaahhh...
Thermal conductivity is a function of the materials in use
You sir win a cookie!!!
The browser type not the tasty ones. We need to track you to make sure you stop spreading knowledge here on slashdot... BURN the WITCH! wait, I mean... AUTO MOD him DOWN!
Who knows, maybe the extra time will give them a chance to rethink the idiotic exclusion of LAN play (though I'm not holding my breath on that one).
Probably not going by the following from TFA.
The Spin -
"The upgraded Battle.net is an integral part of the StarCraft II experience and will be an essential part of all of our games moving forward."
Should Be Read As -
The upgraded Battle.net is a required anti-consumer aspect of the StarCraft II experience and will be an essential part of our plan to build control of obsolescence into all of our games moving forward.
Please Note: We have always been at war with eurasia...
take my quote out of context. I was talking about specifically about the keyboard hack.
O... then I retract my previous agreement with you... I was under the impression that you had come round and realized that since someone has demonstrated a working firmware keylogger that you had come to your senses as someone who claims to work on firmware everyday for what I guess would be a business somewhere. Thus realizing that everyone should start taking this 'generalized firmware threat' serous. They should have been doing this all along but eh...
In my opinion, all devices should have a jumper, switch or button that keeps firmware write protected. A button that turns off this protection for 30 minutes would add a trivial amount to the cost of a product and, I for one, would be willing to pay the extra 2 cents for the peace of mind.
Fuck off.
and I am only saying that because I care - there's a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089886/quotes
All jokes aside, I am truly sorry that I have caused you such grief, I was trying to point out that this is a REAL problem and NEEDS to the addressed before some jackass hacker starts turning my nice new toys into trash or something much worse like a keylogger or infection vector.
I can understand that as a firmware developer you would rather see your work used for evil... O wait... No I really can't understand that, where-in lies my confusion.
Just because some highly skilled Blackhat finds, and demo's a half-assed exploit, does not mean that that it's going to be practical to exploit
And you can tell me to think outside the box all you want, but the exploit and it's cockroach-ninja state machine have to fit INSIDE a very tiny box that has almost no resources to support such code.
Good luck with that
After -
To be sure, drive-by re-flashing of peripherals is a serious threat
Hardware vendors do need to start taking more proactive steps to secure their firmware upgrade processes.
Shrug, alright? Yes we've always been at war with eurasia...
Look, ae1294, attacking my credibility is a bullshit debating tactic.
Maybe, but it works well in the real world, on TV, in congress, court rooms, pretty much everywhere and you said some stuff that didn't make any sense soooo well you know...
nowhere near enough room for printf(), let alone any useful subset of glibc
I mentioned 'ASM' or 'machine code' in one of my messages and I didn't expect anyone to use C to begin with, 1k and all...
Everything else you said sounds much more logical and agreeable in the rest of this post.
It's not off topic, it's a tumor... I did fuck up with the I / He part but honestly the whole story had no real topic to begin with but the mod god's have spoken.... Scary...
I've never really been into 'legal-speak' or more to the point here its computer equivalent 'geek-speak' as I have to deal with non-tech people every day to relate complex idea's to management, but I understand your point now and where you were going with what you said...
Is it? I believe I have seen plenty of books on the shelves at B&N that purport teaching you to do something that if you actually carried out the activity described you could be arrested.
I tend to remember lots of 'take down' notices sent to web sites for printing the DeCSS code, so yes I think it is somehow illegal or at least you will get sued to death...
To whom? You? My grandmother? the 16 year old girl using myspace? Have you seen a malware infected computer? It's almost unusable yet normal people keep using it and have no idea there is spyware watching them... Climb down from your tower sometime and visit some non-tek people out in the real world. It's Scary...
And with all the XSS going around these days, you think a semi savvy user isn't going to notice a sudden unexpected redirect? My history is going to point to the domain I visited, and contain the URL the hackeyboard built.... I would quickly change my keyboard and hunt the asshat down. "Release the hounds!!!!"
So what you are saying is you are the grand master of computers... OK great... What is your point??? Most people don't know what a folder is let alone that they have a browser history...
And you can tell me to think outside the box all you want, but the exploit and it's cockroach-ninja state machine have to fit INSIDE a very tiny box that has almost no resources to support such code.
The keylogger fit inside just fine didn't it? You are trying to argue that something isn't possible or useful just because you can't think of a way to make it so. Maybe you just aren't that smart? You already said you work with this stuff but didn't expect this exploit. I think that says a lot.
This exploit doesn't get to log enough keystrokes to get more than my local password and a few sentences of my first email of the day. The state machine would have a rough time figuring out what to keep and what to junk due to it's very limited foot print.
Proof of concept is way different than end-user (script kiddy) ready. You claim to work with firmware but you don't even understand that concept?
Good luck with that.
Good luck with keeping your job by ignoring something that directly effects you and the company you work for. We can only hope that hackers keep picking the low hanging fruit and don't start reflashing all of our shit with there 'it's funny' code...
Maybe you should look into it? Developing firmware for embedded systems is something I do as a regular part of my life. And evaluating how these peripheral systems interact with hosts is essential information in assessing a new threat. To be fair I didn't expect this specific attack, but at the same time it did not surprise me.
Wait what? You develop firmware but you never expected this kind of threat? And you're trying to say maybe I should look into it? Didn't surprise you? Well I'd hope after working with computers for more than awhile nothing should surprise you or anyone else so that's not really saying anything.
So why hasn't it been more common? Key reason..... too many unknowns.
What do you base this on? Maybe it is common? No one has been looking for it right? And why are there too many unknowns? Only a few companies make these chips and the system tells you what is connected to computer X so anyone who really wanted to compile a list could have different firmwares on there p2p botnet couldn't they? If nothing else they could break a bunch of your stuff. Remap keyboard scan codes or some other silliness...
Yes 1K isn't a lot to work with in C or Visual Basic but in ASM it's a lot more iffy isn't it...
My unwashed masses guess is now that someone has proved you can screw with people's keyboards that others are going to play with the idea and you will be eating your words in a few months, ie pretending you never said what you have.
I do not see a keyboard getting more resources than it has now. The economics of a keyboard will not allow for it.... Typically the resources for a specific function diminish over time to save costs.
That is plain wrong. Why do I have a 4 core 3Ghz processor for the same price I paid for a 386sx chip? You should know better, more and more random stuff gets thrown on these controller chips over time and sooner or later there is no cost difference between the good enough one and the one with all the extra junk so the good enough one stops getting made. NO ONE can honestly say they know that keyboards will never get more resources just because of this. It's like saying 640k is more than anyone will ever need and we will never need more than a 1gb HD.
That the exploit was demoed on a Mac is more telling than the notion that any number of non-mac systems are vulnerable to the same exploit.
I'm no mac fan but I really don't think it was demoed on a Mac because no other kind of keyboards would have worked since Mac's use the same parts now as normal PC's, I think you missed the inside joke there son, Mac people scream from the roof tops that their computers can't get infected with malware....
Everything else you said sounds like your ego is witting checks your ability can't cash..
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They just got a license to use this technology...
Last summer the West Virginia State Police allowed ORINCON to test the ability of hyperspectral optical technology to locate crops of marijuana. Given the success of that test, ORINCON has been invited to participate in this summer's interdiction effort to further validate the technology and demonstrate a more advanced detection unit.
http://cannabisnews.com/news/5/thread5978.shtml
Given their history, I'd think Blizzard is one of the last companies you have to worry about "Planned Obsolescence" from. They still support online play for their earlier titles, and for most of their games, remove CD-Key checking after a while. There may be plenty of reasons to hate the decision on LAN play, but worry over planned obsolescence isn't really one of them.
Past performance is no indication of future gains as all those commercials go...
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/02/1728243
They are... too big to fail... And thus the undead will always walk among you, feasting upon your virgin flesh, forever hungry.. MUHaHaHa
No, it just means that if you willfully facilitate others infringing copyright that your actions are against the law. This is a 36 year old precedent and nothing new.
O... then Verizon, Charter, Cox, RoadRunner, Google, Microsoft, CISCO, d-link, netgear, etc, etc are going to jail then? Yeeaahhh...
Thermal conductivity is a function of the materials in use
You sir win a cookie!!!
The browser type not the tasty ones. We need to track you to make sure you stop spreading knowledge here on slashdot... BURN the WITCH! wait, I mean... AUTO MOD him DOWN!
Quote of a future A.C.
If you don't like it don't by it blah blah blah.
I'm not going to buy it. Please direct your attention here, thanks...
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1301629&cid=28690039&art_pos=1
Who knows, maybe the extra time will give them a chance to rethink the idiotic exclusion of LAN play (though I'm not holding my breath on that one).
Probably not going by the following from TFA.
The Spin -
"The upgraded Battle.net is an integral part of the StarCraft II experience and will be an essential part of all of our games moving forward."
Should Be Read As -
The upgraded Battle.net is a required anti-consumer aspect of the StarCraft II experience and will be an essential part of our plan to build control of obsolescence into all of our games moving forward.
Please Note: We have always been at war with eurasia...
So, does peeling duct tape emit gamma bursts?
Do you really honestly want to know the answer to that question?
I, for one, enjoy my duct-tape and don't want a surgeon general's warning and government taxes on it...
57C, while this diamond dust compound achieved 38C.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, this sounds like something that needs to be reproduced because it sounds too good to be true man... Did it say that in TFA?
runs off to read TFA for the first time in his life...
I mean really... A keyboard firmware, Keylogger... Isn't that a bit ironic, doncha think???
take my quote out of context. I was talking about specifically about the keyboard hack.
O... then I retract my previous agreement with you... I was under the impression that you had come round and realized that since someone has demonstrated a working firmware keylogger that you had come to your senses as someone who claims to work on firmware everyday for what I guess would be a business somewhere. Thus realizing that everyone should start taking this 'generalized firmware threat' serous. They should have been doing this all along but eh...
In my opinion, all devices should have a jumper, switch or button that keeps firmware write protected. A button that turns off this protection for 30 minutes would add a trivial amount to the cost of a product and, I for one, would be willing to pay the extra 2 cents for the peace of mind.
Fuck off.
and I am only saying that because I care - there's a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089886/quotes
All jokes aside, I am truly sorry that I have caused you such grief, I was trying to point out that this is a REAL problem and NEEDS to the addressed before some jackass hacker starts turning my nice new toys into trash or something much worse like a keylogger or infection vector.
I can understand that as a firmware developer you would rather see your work used for evil... O wait... No I really can't understand that, where-in lies my confusion.
Before -
Just because some highly skilled Blackhat finds, and demo's a half-assed exploit, does not mean that that it's going to be practical to exploit
And you can tell me to think outside the box all you want, but the exploit and it's cockroach-ninja state machine have to fit INSIDE a very tiny box that has almost no resources to support such code.
Good luck with that
After -
To be sure, drive-by re-flashing of peripherals is a serious threat
Hardware vendors do need to start taking more proactive steps to secure their firmware upgrade processes.
Shrug, alright?
Yes we've always been at war with eurasia...
'50% OFF' attendance vouchers which your other children can take advantage of.
Hehe that's funny, people in china can only have one kid...
Look, ae1294, attacking my credibility is a bullshit debating tactic.
Maybe, but it works well in the real world, on TV, in congress, court rooms, pretty much everywhere and you said some stuff that didn't make any sense soooo well you know...
nowhere near enough room for printf(), let alone any useful subset of glibc
I mentioned 'ASM' or 'machine code' in one of my messages and I didn't expect anyone to use C to begin with, 1k and all...
Everything else you said sounds much more logical and agreeable in the rest of this post.
It's not off topic, it's a tumor... I did fuck up with the I / He part but honestly the whole story had no real topic to begin with but the mod god's have spoken.... Scary...
Page layout program. - etc, etc, etc.
I've never really been into 'legal-speak' or more to the point here its computer equivalent 'geek-speak' as I have to deal with non-tech people every day to relate complex idea's to management, but I understand your point now and where you were going with what you said...
You must have not finished reading my post so here it is again....
or at least you will get sued to death.
The net effect is equal-enough to illegal for anyone above the age of 18.
You wanna spread FUD. Go for it. Peace out.
Very sorry I upset you with a debate.... Next time I will not reply to a post disagreeing with my post.... Really I promise...
Facilitating copyright infringement is against the law.
On NO! That means the Internet is Illegal.. WE are all GOING TO JAIL! RUN!!!!
Fixing things is bad for the bottom line. Haven't you noticed nothing really has been fixed in years?
Is it? I believe I have seen plenty of books on the shelves at B&N that purport teaching you to do something that if you actually carried out the activity described you could be arrested.
I tend to remember lots of 'take down' notices sent to web sites for printing the DeCSS code, so yes I think it is somehow illegal or at least you will get sued to death...
HTML, HTTP? PDF?
Fail, Fail, sure ok sounds good, get everyone to drop Word and I'll jump on that bandwagon..
Maybe you should make an account AC.. you post sooooo many messages here....
It's going to give itself away pretty quickly.
To whom? You? My grandmother? the 16 year old girl using myspace? Have you seen a malware infected computer? It's almost unusable yet normal people keep using it and have no idea there is spyware watching them... Climb down from your tower sometime and visit some non-tek people out in the real world. It's Scary...
And with all the XSS going around these days, you think a semi savvy user isn't going to notice a sudden unexpected redirect?
My history is going to point to the domain I visited, and contain the URL the hackeyboard built.... I would quickly change my keyboard and hunt the asshat down. "Release the hounds!!!!"
So what you are saying is you are the grand master of computers... OK great... What is your point??? Most people don't know what a folder is let alone that they have a browser history...
And you can tell me to think outside the box all you want, but the exploit and it's cockroach-ninja state machine have to fit INSIDE a very tiny box that has almost no resources to support such code.
The keylogger fit inside just fine didn't it? You are trying to argue that something isn't possible or useful just because you can't think of a way to make it so. Maybe you just aren't that smart? You already said you work with this stuff but didn't expect this exploit. I think that says a lot.
This exploit doesn't get to log enough keystrokes to get more than my local password and a few sentences of my first email of the day. The state machine would have a rough time figuring out what to keep and what to junk due to it's very limited foot print.
Proof of concept is way different than end-user (script kiddy) ready. You claim to work with firmware but you don't even understand that concept?
Good luck with that.
Good luck with keeping your job by ignoring something that directly effects you and the company you work for. We can only hope that hackers keep picking the low hanging fruit and don't start reflashing all of our shit with there 'it's funny' code...
Maybe you should look into it? Developing firmware for embedded systems is something I do as a regular part of my life. And evaluating how these peripheral systems interact with hosts is essential information in assessing a new threat. To be fair I didn't expect this specific attack, but at the same time it did not surprise me.
Wait what? You develop firmware but you never expected this kind of threat? And you're trying to say maybe I should look into it? Didn't surprise you? Well I'd hope after working with computers for more than awhile nothing should surprise you or anyone else so that's not really saying anything.
So why hasn't it been more common? Key reason..... too many unknowns.
What do you base this on? Maybe it is common? No one has been looking for it right? And why are there too many unknowns? Only a few companies make these chips and the system tells you what is connected to computer X so anyone who really wanted to compile a list could have different firmwares on there p2p botnet couldn't they? If nothing else they could break a bunch of your stuff. Remap keyboard scan codes or some other silliness...
Yes 1K isn't a lot to work with in C or Visual Basic but in ASM it's a lot more iffy isn't it...
My unwashed masses guess is now that someone has proved you can screw with people's keyboards that others are going to play with the idea and you will be eating your words in a few months, ie pretending you never said what you have.
I do not see a keyboard getting more resources than it has now. The economics of a keyboard will not allow for it.... Typically the resources for a specific function diminish over time to save costs.
That is plain wrong. Why do I have a 4 core 3Ghz processor for the same price I paid for a 386sx chip? You should know better, more and more random stuff gets thrown on these controller chips over time and sooner or later there is no cost difference between the good enough one and the one with all the extra junk so the good enough one stops getting made. NO ONE can honestly say they know that keyboards will never get more resources just because of this. It's like saying 640k is more than anyone will ever need and we will never need more than a 1gb HD.
That the exploit was demoed on a Mac is more telling than the notion that any number of non-mac systems are vulnerable to the same exploit.
I'm no mac fan but I really don't think it was demoed on a Mac because no other kind of keyboards would have worked since Mac's use the same parts now as normal PC's, I think you missed the inside joke there son, Mac people scream from the roof tops that their computers can't get infected with malware....
Everything else you said sounds like your ego is witting checks your ability can't cash..
Somehow the words Word and Frontpage always refer to Microsoft.
I wonder if they have trademarks on them... That would be rather funny if they did... Probably do :-(
I'm not going to degrade myself by looking...