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Teen Killed At Chinese Internet Addiction Camp
eldavojohn writes "Sixteen-year-old Deng Senshan was tragically beaten to death by three of his instructors in an internet addiction camp in the Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region of China. Reportedly it was for not being able to run fast enough. An article in the Wall Street Journal says that, 'China's netizens have played a key role in drawing nationwide attention to recent cases of deaths in prisons and detention centers, so it should be no surprise that they are up in arms over the fate of one of their own. Many questioned the fairly new diagnosis of "Internet addiction" as a mental disorder.' You may recall electroshock treatment being banned from use on internet addicts in China. According to Xinhua, more than 100 juveniles remain in 'treatment' at the camp, which has stayed open. Perhaps for Senshan it would have been better to let him endure his cruel affliction instead of having his parents pay over $1,000 to have him beaten to death?"
Don't worry, he'll respawn in a few seconds
i would quit but the withdrawels are fatal
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On the upshot, that kid is no longer addicted to gaming...
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If internet addition is now punishable by death, Slashdot is going to become a very, very lonely place.
Perhaps for Senshan it would have been better to let him endure his cruel affliction instead of having his parents pay over $1,000 to have him beaten to death?
And knowing China, they probably also charged his parents for the cost of the stick used to beat him.
Also, I don't know much about these "internet addiction" facilities. Are we talking about people who spend too much time playing WoW, or dissidents who use the internet for communication? Somehow I'm seeing this as being a gulag for political prisoners, but maybe that's just me being cynical.
I can only wonder if there have been other deaths in this program that did not make the news.
Reportedly it was for not being able to run fast enough
If only China had the same attitude towards Windows...
If a sauce is supposed to run when poured, but doesn't, beating it never helps. Simmering over low heat is a much better option.
Wow. Not to let me heart bleed all over the place here, but... what? This was a needless death in a camp that didn't need to exist run by instructors who used "punishment" that wasn't appropriate. He had an "internet addiction"... he wasn't a murderer. You don't think this is somehow newsworthy on a site devoted to geeks and geek-related stuff? I just love these "so what people die every day" type posts. So, just to be clear, it's overkill to mourn a school shooting because more people are dying in Darfur, right?
A larger tragedy doesn't make this one any less important. It is more relatable, too: ./ers probably feel more in common with this kid that 3 year olds dying in Somalia, so it's news here.
I think the shocking thing is *why* he died - someone killed him. He didn't just starve or get malaria or something - he was murdered.
I'm a student. I write iPhone apps.
Look people, tragedies happen all the time. For every poor kid beaten to death in China at a "gaming addiction recovery camp", there's thousands more dying of starvation and illnesses in other parts of the world.
This isn't news. This is China. Do you expect differently?
So because the numbers are small, we should ignore it? If you were raped and murdered we could go to the police with your logic and say, "Look, for every person raped and murdered thousands die in automobile accidents on the streets so don't waste your time with this case."
The fact that 'internet addiction' is ill defined and that this was a CHILD not an adult and the fact that it's government run should cause alarm bells to ring even if it is only one case. How do you know the action of beating children is not commonplace and applied to thousands of so called "internet addicts"? How do you know this isn't an attempt to weed out would-be dissidents at an early age?
Your compliance amazes me. Yes, hunger and starvation is a problem but so is this we can report about this on Slashdot and read about hunger and food shortages on CNN.
I'm sorry but "this is China" does not cause me to close my eyes to unalienable human rights that every human being in the world deserves!
My work here is dung.
When I saw this, I couldn't help but think about the classical Rowan Atkinson sketch.
Does anyone else see the irony in sending a bunch of computer nerds to camp, and charging them a nice even binary number to do it?
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Especially since many /.ers would probably qualify for Internet Addiction along with all of 4chan. :P
Their instruction manual clearly outlines what is proper and improper physical contact. I'm looking in the manual right now. The paragraph about interaction is right after paragraph three on page four.
Oh wait...
The fact that 'internet addiction' is ill defined and that this was a CHILD not an adult and the fact that it's government run should cause alarm bells to ring even if it is only one case.
If your alarm bells weren't ringing about China long before this incident then I'd say that you haven't been paying much attention to the last 40 years of Chinese history.
Your compliance amazes me.
You are throwing stones about compliance? You fucking hypocrite. You are sitting on /. typing your rant on a computer that was largely made with Chinese parts/labor, probably wearing shoes/clothing that were made in China and god knows what else. I'm sorry but you don't get to throw stones when you live in a glass house.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Did he drop any good items?
In America, you can beat internet addiction. In communist China, internet addiction beats you.
What is more interesting to slashdot users: someone dies at Internet addiction camp, or people dying from starvation in third world countries? Just saying, the context is slashdot, and in this context it is news.
Curing addiction to life, one beating at a time.
So you're saying we should all just sit down and shut up? That the only people who have any right to be pissed off about what happened fab'ed their own chips, washed their own PCB, and are currently packing up to fight the PRC with their own bare hands? Up yours, you cock. Go shove your feigned righteous indignation.
No, everybody has a right to be pissed. They just don't have the right to call out others as being complicit in Chinese crimes when they themselves are buying products that prop up the regime.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
It's China, the totalitarian dictatorship, what else could we expect?
Government has no respect for chinese people, it's oppression after oppression. //kyle, PT
This isn't news. This is China. Do you expect differently?
From you? Not really. From people like you, I expect braindead nonsense whenever the subject contains the word "China" or other related subjects.
For the rest of us - I think it is worth noting that TFA mentions that "a police officer" states that "We are investigating a case where a high school student was beaten to death by his camp supervisors. The case is still under investigation" - IOW, a representative of the local officialdom talks openly about this case to a newsagency, in much the same way as a London police officer would, and refuses to give further details because they are still investigating, just like elsewhere in the world.
The reason I feel the need to draw attention to this is, that it seems to escape the attention of some. Do I need to spell it out any further? There is no "Government Coverup" here; no reasons to hate the Chinese for being Chinese.
You fucking hypocrite. You are sitting on /. typing your rant on a computer that was largely made with Chinese parts/labor, probably wearing shoes/clothing that were made in China and god knows what else. I'm sorry but you don't get to throw stones when you live in a glass house.
I submitted this story in an attempt to raise awareness in our community about a death in an internet addiction camp. Who knows how many others there have been prior to this? And what, stone thrower, have you done?
... not pushing my ideals and isms on the sovereign people of China. Basic human rights are the only thing I push and I'm prepared to argue that.
And now you're criticizing me for purchasing Chinese products? What the hell does that have to do with this? You think the solution is for us to band together and boycott Chinese products? Do you really believe that causing their economic structure to collapse would be the answer? Did trade embargoes work for North Korea and pre-war Iraq?
I'm an American citizen, I have no control over the sovereign nation of China. All I can hope to do is get word out to everyone around the world and hopefully spread news to the citizens of China so they take action. A revolution from the outside is meaningless and often dangerous/deadly/destructive.
I don't want Chinese people to suffer, that's it. I don't care if their system is Communist, Capitalist, Dictatorship or Democracy. Get the word out so they fix it. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite but I'm doing what little I can by spreading facts and news
My work here is dung.
I'm unfamiliar with the laws in China regarding how someone gets sent to one of these camps, but I'm sure you probably have serious issues if you end up in one. The problem is that most Internet addicts (the kind who are reading my post right now, instead of working *glare* ) are socially inept -- throwing them into the meat grinder is only going to make them go further into their shell.
Not only as a show of responsibility, I think China should open its methods for evaluation by serious, respected phsychologists. If China makes an honest attempt to improve its treatment, it could probably even help its standing with other countries. As a rule of thumb, politicians aren't what draw countries together, but common goals. China could turn this situation around, and use it to help its people and its standing with the world.
Of course, I'd be surprised if China made this sort of effort (it takes more Democratic Countries long enough to get around to this sort of stuff, what should we really expect from them?)
"Sorrow is better than laughter, for by sadness of face the heart is made glad." [Ecclesiastes 7:3]
If your alarm bells weren't ringing about China long before...
Big "if". Or maybe I should say "really big 'if'". It's like that Twinkie(TM) in Ghostbusters. It's thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds.
You are sitting on /. typing your rant on a computer that was largely made with Chinese parts/labor, probably wearing shoes/clothing that were made in China and god knows what else. I'm sorry but you don't get to throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Objection, your honor. Assumes facts not in evidence. Strawman. I've always been amazed at the assumption that a culture should be made to starve and otherwise live in abject poverty just so that someone else can have the privilege of criticizing.
-Loyal
I aim to misbehave.
This is how the treat the mentally ill? I gotta watch out, cause I'm crazy in about a hundred ways, but yeah that country is abominable.
Create a WoW server that you only get access to with a doctor's note about WoW addiction. Your guardian or death camp instructors can even request that all your characters are moved here.
On this server, you start out at level 80 with all quests done. The auction house has all items, for free. All professions are maxed out.
Bing goes the achievement addiction, while still allowing a graceful withdrawal period.
/. seriously need to find another way of distributing the mod points...Why is this guy modded Troll?? My guess is that most people who get points don't even know what moderating means. A shame..
Why is this guy modded Troll??
Probably because he was trolling.
Not to mention dotslashers.
My addiction has reached 12chan levels.
it's funny I have a soft spot for cute females, and injuring or threatening one gets you put in critical condition. It's extremely disproportionate and seems isolated from the core sexual urge (doesn't seem completely non-sexual, but doesn't seem to be an "OHNOES I WON'T GET SEX" or "THIS MAY GET ME LAID!" reaction). I don't know why.
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This is especially sad to me because I'm not really against the idea of an "Internet addiction camp" in general. Real addiction can come in many forms, and it deserves being considered for treatment. But this just shows once again how (in this case very ironically) out of touch Chinese officials are with the concept of moderation.
I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
Reminds me of this gem:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/china_strong
If you've been paying attention to the last 40 years of Chinese history, you'd know China is better off now than it has ever been.
Just because China has a "communist" government doesn't mean they murder children at random. The Cold War is over, you can come outside now.
Was it physical running or that his java script failed to execute in the allotted time?
"You can't really dust for vomit" --Nigel Tufnel
we call this BSOD.
At least until the cowardly barbarians running China are deposed.
Proof they are cowards: Only they are allowed to have guns.
Proof they are barbarians: See Main Article above.
This happened in the US 5 or so years ago, I saw video on TV of some poor kid being beaten to death by his boot camp instructors. Props to anyone who pulls up the article. So much for 'this! is! china!'...
Yes, I know your media tell you that everything in China is bad and that it never could happen in the wonderful US of A.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/us/states-pressed-as-3-boys-die-at-boot-camps.html
The article is old of course, if you want never case you should google for "boot camp deaths"
This sort of thing happens all the time in the states. Google "Aaron Bacon" and he's hardly the only one. US boot camps have a really bad history in this area only nobody seems to care very much since they kids were somehow "troubled" (allegedly, since there is no due process).
While I agree with most of what you had to say, I find it interesting that *this* makes news on slashdot while hundreds of people in the US are beaten (and sometimes killed) for being gay, but we don't seem to be as outraged. Thousands are routinely abused in mental institutions and elder care facilities (and again, many die) and again, it's not as apparent that slashdotters feel the need to draw attention to it. Is this because it's our *own* dirty laundry or simply because it didn't involve the words "internet addiction"? The OP mentions electroshock as being only recently banned, but it was routinely used here in the US for everything from dementia to compulsive behavior and is STILL used in the US to treat severe depression. It just reminds me of the kind of cultural hypocrisy you see in things like Discovery Channel's Whale Wars - US whale activists fight with Japanese whalers, (who utilize every part of the whale, btw) when the US used to slaughter entire whale populations wholesale, only to extract the oil and leave the carcasses to rot. The US helped drive the whales into extinction, and now we have this "born again virgin" attitude about other countries. I'm just saying if we spent half as much time cleaning our own back yards, we wouldn't have time to complain about our neighbors. You want to bring attention to injustices? There are plenty here to work on.
I thought the point of Darwin's law was to remove your genes from the pool before you reproduced? I guess the next best thing would be to have a post birth abortion... And if they allow those kinds of abortions, I wonder what happens in Soviet Russia?
There is a larger problem. Chinese parents _paid_ money to send their kids into these needless camps to be "cured" of this so called "internet addiction". It's exactly the same as how American parents _paid_ money to send their kids into these needless camps to be "cured" of homosexuality. In the end, it's those panicky, ill informed, and lazy parents who entrust others with their children without actually bother doing proper research on the subject matter, the people who operate the camp, and their own children that cause pointless deaths like this. I am rather disappointed in the Chinese population today. In all honesty, learning from the western culture doesn't mean they should replicate mistakes in the western cultures too.
Where is the "Ignorant" mod tag?
...buy a "Made in China" product from Walmart or wherever, you are helping to finance this kind of brutality.
Think before you buy.
"Reportedly it was for not being able to run fast enough."
Isn't that the reason why anyone gets beaten to death?
While I agree with most of what you had to say, I find it interesting that *this* makes news on slashdot while hundreds of people in the US are beaten (and sometimes killed) for being gay, but we don't seem to be as outraged. Thousands are routinely abused in mental institutions and elder care facilities (and again, many die) and again, it's not as apparent that slashdotters feel the need to draw attention to it.
Unfortunately, something that happens frequently isn't considered "news", no matter how much of a tragedy it is.
You are throwing stones about compliance? You fucking hypocrite. You are sitting on /. typing your rant on a computer that was largely made with Chinese parts/labor, probably wearing shoes/clothing that were made in China and god knows what else. I'm sorry but you don't get to throw stones when you live in a glass house.
These aren't logically related arguments. Though China's method and source of labor is largely tied to the government, one does not definitely rely on the other.
People also fail to understand the many layers and the sheer number of people that make up China's typically oppressive government. Mandates from the "top" can very much take immediate action but within the lesser structure decisions can be met with confusion, disorder and lead to unsightly results. This is probably what caused the mess at Tiananman Square.
Of course, as a very effective whole, PRC will never admit to the problems that plague the system. Minorities will often wreak havoc to the image of the government with their indiscretions for years to come.
Though I'm no fan of Communism at this extreme, they could have a very good thing going if they weren't squeezing so much blood from stones.
"Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
Replace "China" with "US" and "beaten to death" with "shot", still feeling the same ?
I can only wonder if there have been other deaths in this program that did not make the news.
Probably. What I can't believe is that no one seems to be questioning the assumptions of this nonsense (or if they are, the media in its usual incompetent or complicit way is ignorning it): that internet addiction even exists, period.
The very concept is farcical. Like "television addiction", there may be people whose lifestyles are too sedentary, whose lives center more on the couch or computer than most of us are comfortable with, but come on! As Ricky Gervais said when discussing obeisity: "this is not a disease". It's a lifestyle choice, and one that certainly does not deserve incarceration or treatment of any kind, much less lethal abuse!
This whole thing reminds me of the quacks using electroshock therepy to "cure" homosexuality", as has been done in Utah and China in the 1990s and perhaps even more recently. Bigotry dressed up as outreach treatment, only this time its Geeks instead of Gays.
What's next...curing an unruly kid of their addiction to oxygen by putting a pillow over their face and making them go "cold turkey"?
Infinitely absurd and moronic, all of it.
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Because the Untied States owes an imperial shit-ton of money to China. If they steal from us instead of paying, then turn around and sell those stolen ideas/products back to us and take more of our money, how are we expected to repay our debts to them?
Yes. That's the _larger_ problem. The stuff about dying is just gravy.
OK. The Chinese government murderers children at random and they also happen to be communist. Come on, get serious. Cold War or not, the leaders of China are murderers.
Several activists have been recently disappeared or brought up on trumped up charges precisely because the Chinese government murderers children at random. Or rather, they construct schools in earthquake zones so poorly that it accomplishes the same thing. This, despite the promises of Wen Jiabao and others that the earthquakes from 2008 would be treated seriously.
No. Wen, Hu, and all others who belong to the CCP are murderers.
Hoist Number One and Number Six.
No the stuff about dying is just a symptom of the underlying problem...try to follow the logical argument.
When Bill Gates started MS he knew very well that his copyright was not going to be enforced in many countries. Yet he proceeded and even helped the Chinese by pushing UTF-16. They're hardly stealing.
What would the world look like if Hilter did not come to power or electric cars were easier to manufacture...
There was an interesting, personal account of what its like in these treatment centers in the March 2007 issue of Harpers. http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/03/0081438 [not free, sadly]
really? wow... that's reallywow.
I wonder what the trade deficit would be if they actually respected our intellectual property and paid the going rate for it instead of stealing it?
Good point. It's also ironic since most of /. would have you believe that piracy isn't stealing, and yet their own lives might be noticeably better if stated countries paid for, instead of pirated, American software.
Ironic? I don't know if that's the right word for it. That is nothing like rain on your wedding day, for instance.
I mean, look - yes, some people take that stance, that software piracy isn't "stealing". That point alone is just splitting hairs over terminology. The choice of words there is designed to make people sympathize with the copyright holders, and I think people don't always appreciate that sort of spin.
And then also consider - when we have a stance on what we consider right and wrong, in principle that should not be governed by what is best for ourselves, personally. This is why I don't see this situation as "ironic". If a specific person said both that they think copyright infringement is okay and that China's copyright infringement is bad, that would be hypocritical... But if someone believes copyright infringement is okay and doesn't care about China's copyright infringement or the economic consequences thereof, that's consistent. They've taken their stance and stuck to it.
Bow-ties are cool.
Someone gets beat to death and its an opportunity to make jokes? That's some cold ass $%&# there.
When I was little, we had "internet addiction camp" too. We called it, "Camp." There were all kinds of activities from learning about native american myths, to swimming, sailing, ropes courses, firearms, hikes...
So many things to pique your interest in activity. How could anyone want to waste a lot of time in "second" life when they could be living real life?
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no reasons to hate the Chinese for being Chinese.
But then how will people justify their xenophobia?
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
Kids die at criminal justice reform schools and at the tough-love summer camps when kids get out of line with their peers. TV news magazines have done several stories on these tragedies.
make way for china bashing, instead of focusing on the issue of this article, its going to be a human rights, Intellectual property or gov't cover up problem. if you don't like the chinese/china come out and say it, but don't hide behind your concern for china human rights problems
what a stupid idea really. there's one thing called "parenting" that do it as well. it's simple : you take the little brat with you outside, to show him the world. if you can't, i'm sure there are holidays camps or scouts or whatever goes hiking away from wifi that just do as well.
Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baronâ(TM)s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be âcuredâ(TM) against oneâ(TM)s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level with those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. - C.S Lewis - the Humanitarian Theory of Punishment
It works for ketchup. If it doesn't run out of the bottle, beat it sharply once or twice and then quickly turn the bottle the normal way up because otherwise it'll empty itself over your fries, the table and your trousers.
Slashdotters are better at Internet Addition than they are at Internet Righting.
If you're interesting on helping out on this issue stateside I can point you in a few directions. Check out Isaccorp.org or Cafety.org. Tell em "Psy" sent ya.
Just because China has a "communist" government doesn't mean they murder children at random. The Cold War is over, you can come outside now.
They are murderers and it has nothing to do with the label they stick on it on their government; they're a totalitarian regime.
If someone is passing you on the right, you are an asshole for driving in the wrong lane.
I liked these "Internet Addiction Camps" better when they were called "Summer Camp".
Seriously, when I got too into games as a kid (Dragon Warrior 3, Wizardry 2, and Final Fantasy 2 being the early ones) my mother just walked in, hit the power button, and told me to go outside and not come back in until the sun was down.
Why is this such a hard concept? Is it an asian culture thing? I mean, think of Japan. You have hikikomoris, sitting in the dark in their rooms, with parents enabling them by just feeding them sliced cheese through the crack under the door. China and Kroea have people literally playing video games until their bladders burst and they die.
Granted, A+ for effort but big fat F for common sense, eh?
Is "He'll leave the room when he gets hungry enough" or "Just turn off the freaking router" such a hard concept?
nerds beware
I didn't read the article, this being slashdot and all, but I'm not sure this camp is something the government came up with. The parents paid $1000, and I assume that's US Dollars, which is a lot of money in a country where the per capita GDP is 6000$.
This camp seems more like a free enterprise, in all it's capitalist glory, trying to worry better-off parents into handing over the cash to cure their kids from the terrible ailment.
This doesn't seem to have anything to do with China being (kind of... in a way... well, not really) communist, or their government failing at moderation, but more with some overzealous fearmongers totally losing it.
Truth arises more readily from error than from confusion. -Francis Bacon
Hindus believe that you respawn on the same server but the new character type and class depend on your current Karma rating.
For some reason, I feel that I will do fine when I respawn as a troll.
i'm sure there are holidays camps or scouts or whatever goes hiking away from wifi
In China? Maybe. I don't really know what is available for kids in China. However, if we're talking about clinical addiction, such a simplistic view of a cure is just as bad as this approach. I'll agree that parents are likely to blame because they are the most likely enabler for the addicted child. But once you have reached clinical addiction levels, it is extremely difficult to break, and most people will struggle with it for most of their lives.
I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
By your argument, the Chinese murdered children at random because they underengineered some school houses in an earthquake-prone region. What about New Orleans, where our government, with a gajillion times the resources of an impoverished Chinese provincial town, failed to construct adequate levees in a similarly disaster-prone region and exacerbated the loss of life with inadequate relief efforts? Should I even mention the TVA coal ash spill ? While we don't have the level of political repression the Chinese government perpetrates, we had our fair share of coverups and misinformation surrounding both of those incidents. Please stop throwing stones--you're going to get our glass house shattered in short order.
Bringing the conversation back on topic, what happened was a tragedy and, in my humble estimation, could have happened anywhere in the world. The amount of abuse perpetrated in our nursing homes, for instance, is appalling. What caught my eye is that they even have camps in an attempt to address the issue of "internet addiction"--have you guys seen this elsewhere, or is it as Chinese a phenomenon as "fat camps" might be an American one?
It's an interesting argument (to me at least...) and I see it in the media and politics every day. People are more concerned about one death than they are about the implications to society in overreacting to that one death. "Someone died, therefore we must do everything in our power to stop it from happening again... even if it would bankrupt us and cause hundreds more deaths."
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
By your argument, the Chinese murdered children at random because they underengineered some school houses in an earthquake-prone region. What about New Orleans, where our government, with a gajillion times the resources of an impoverished Chinese provincial town, failed to construct adequate levees in a similarly disaster-prone region and exacerbated the loss of life with inadequate relief efforts? Should I even mention the TVA coal ash spill [dailykos.com]?
Thousands of schoolchildren died as a result of the coal ash spill while our government arrested people who came to it seeking a redress of their grievances? Why wasn't this covered on the news?
or is it as Chinese a phenomenon as "fat camps" might be an American one?
I'm not aware of any fat camps where the government tells you that you have to go and punishes you if you refuse......
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
And now you're criticizing me for purchasing Chinese products? What the hell does that have to do with this?
Many of these products (and/or their parts/ingredients) are manufactured in prison labor camps where many more than one person has died. Not that I disagree with your rant, in general, but you should know that by buying Chinese products you are supporting a system that has killed many more than the unfortunate individual in this article. As such, your outrage over this death seems somewhat suspect, somewhat like a person's who condemns the death of baby seals, but sees no trouble having cows killed so he can eat.
That is all.
I'm not 100% certain about this camp, but a more expensive camp (10,000 yuan) in Daxing County is government funded and "run by an army colonel under the Beijing Military Hospital"
I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
And now you're criticizing me for purchasing Chinese products? What the hell does that have to do with this? You think the solution is for us to band together and boycott Chinese products? Do you really believe that causing their economic structure to collapse would be the answer?
I don't have the answer and no I wasn't criticizing you for purchasing Chinese products. I was criticizing you for telling the GP he was "compliant". My underlying point is that we are all "complaint" in one way or another with the crimes of the Chinese regime.
Did trade embargoes work for North Korea and pre-war Iraq?
Different situation. The Chinese actually have a pro-democracy movement. It can't get it's message out effectively right now because the Government counters it with "Do you really want Democracy? Look at all of the economic growth we are providing!" In that respect every person who buys goods made in China bears some measure of responsibility for helping that Government to retain power.
not pushing my ideals and isms on the sovereign people of China. Basic human rights are the only thing I push and I'm prepared to argue that.
I like how you say in the first sentence that you don't want to push your ideals on them and in the second sentence say you are prepared to push human rights. I'm sure it's occurred to you that different cultures might have a different conception of what "human rights" are.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
The US intellectual property laws, which sees a man facing a decade in jail for modding consoles people bought and therefor owned, are the US laws. Not chinese laws. Why should China respect US laws when the US does not respect Chinese laws?
Welcome to the world of international politics, in which you might think you are right, but so does everyone else. And they are right.
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You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Perhaps, but would it have been as profitable? It's profits over people in the PRC, nowadays, until that worm turns again....
"MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
There was actually recently a case where a mother of a severely obese teenager was convicted of child abuse. The logic was that it was abusive for a parent to let their child eat so much that they attained a weight capable of causing life-altering side effects.
So maybe it's not illegal to be fat, but it might be illegal in your area to let your kid get too fat.
You can't legislate goodness. Let each to his own destiny, by will of his freely made choices.
Disgusting! Here in the US, only the police allowed to shock and kill with impunity. http://foxyurl.com/qLx
I think you're referring to the criminal child neglect charges against Jerri Gray, whose son Alexander Draper reached a weight of 550 pounds by age 14. No results have come of that case, but the case is still pending. She's not the first parent to be accused of child abuse in this fashion, but no other parents have served jail time if they were convicted.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Maybe that's it. I guess I heard it wrong.
Regardless, the fact is that there are a huge number of factors that influence weight gain beyond just what a kid stuffs in his face including metabolism, physical activity frequency/duration/activity type, genetic predisposition, chemical imbalances, etc.
Aside from exercise and food consumption, many of these factors are beyond our control. I've known very obese people who eat less than I, and very skinny people who eat much more than I. To me, neglect is only justified if the weight is causing health problems AND the mother has not sought treatment for those medical problems. For example, untreated diabetes would be neglect to me.
You can't legislate goodness. Let each to his own destiny, by will of his freely made choices.
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Victim of censhorship
Victom of oppression
Victim of mind control
Oh wait those last 3 were meant for another post regarding that obamination in the white house and legislature. oops
So, just to be clear, it's overkill to mourn a school shooting because more people are dying in Darfur, right?
Yea, pretty much.
Isn't "not being able to run fast enough" usually the root cause of anyone being beaten to death?
I don`t think you are thinking straight. Also, your argumentation is a little incoherent. You obviously needed to pick on someone today, and you fail at convincing.
Reading you, nobody should be outraged about anything because there's always worse, closer. That is the best way to never do or go against anything and raise nations of sheep.
I'm sure that yourself can find something that by using, "you are supporting a system that has killed many more", starting with the gas in your car, and that doesn't bother you, does it?
Please go find some other place to snipe at people. You're useless here, seriously.
Well, if it is possible to have internet addiction, then TV addiction is equally possible - both or neither might be the case, but how could it possibly be just one?
Jumping rapidly to a conclusion, they both are. We have to cure the TV addicts first, of course:
1. There's a lot more of them.
2. The social costs are higher (Home Shopping Network addiction can cost thousands a month in some cases, whereas even World of Warcrack is only 20 bucks a month).
3. The TV addicts are more in denial (I've just indirectly admitted I could have a problem, while they're all trying to get the society to do something about the internet addicts instead.).
4. What's the number one thing other addicts are accused of climbing out of people's windows with? TVs! When some heroin addict steals my bandwidth to finance his habit, I'll concede this point.
So right after people cure all the TV addicts (or beat them to death in a huge Chinese camp), I'll gladly discuss entering a program.
Who is John Cabal?
They don't need my support. Anyway, all the dollars I spend on Chinese hardware gets recycled and invested in U.S. government bonds, without which, the U.S. would be bankrupt already.
Maybe it isn't because of their "communist" government.
Maybe it's because it's fucking China, and China sucks like that.
^ Misguided belief that democracy is a social panacea
Exactly how many people can get to 550 lbs at age 14 without help that borders on abuse? Metabolism is affected by activity levels, and kids should be at least somewhat active; what I'm saying boils down to so what? If the parents were doing their job, he might still be fat, but he wouldn't be literally round.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
One person died due to abuse - why wouldn't we do what we can to prevent a recurrence?
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
I'm not sure why you keep putting internet addiction in quotes. People can get addicted to anything, including playing games and surfing the web.
I had a roommate back in college who was so addicted to playing video games on his Sega that he skipped all of his classes and was operating on a 25-hr day for months until he finally dropped out of college (meaning he went to bed an hour and got up an hour later every day).
Obviously this particular addiction camp is insane, but there are other effective programs for dealing with all kinds of addictions and one could surely be made to help people like my old roommate.
Look people, tragedies happen all the time. For every poor kid beaten to death in China at a "gaming addiction recovery camp", there's thousands more dying of starvation and illnesses in other parts of the world.
This isn't news. This is China. Do you expect differently?
So basically what you are saying is, you support and are for government murdering at will?
What a sick bastard you are!
I find it even more sickening that under your logic, if someone came and repeatedly raped your wife sister and mother, you would be OK with this, since it happens everyday.
The only upside is, at least you are OK with someone killing you, since killings happen every day.
PS, you sick bastard
This is the country where when they shoot your child for being involved in a protest, they bill you for the bullet. The communist government deciding to punish a family by sending a random kid to "internet addiction camp", soldiers beating the kid to death just for fun, and then billing the family $1000 is totally in character for this totalitarian communist state. It's an easy assumption to make.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
I think this is a small price to pay to save the thousands of live ruined by WOW.
^ panacea is a fancy word.
^ likes pointy arrows.
Looks like there is a global market for that, then.
What about some sort of web-based seminar against internet addiction ?
Most computer parts are made not in China but in Taiwan or Malaysia. I'm not sure if I have any Chinese-made parts in my computer. Maybe the packaging?
And most clothing, too, is made in countries poorer than China, now (at least in my experience). For instance, my current shirt is made in Bangladesh, and another in Qatar.
You know, I bet you think that the people "on" that website really like you and consider you a friend, but actually, behind your back, they talk about how much of an ignorant fuck you are.
I have seen it happen countless times to people like you.
While you're correct that they usually do have someone that cares about them, they usually don't ever go back to them for help, or god forbid they'd have to give up even a few of their bad habits to live in a comfortable, supportive house.
Hi my name is Scott and I am an Internet'oholic!! I need to go to one of those camps but I don't have those $1,000.00! Please donate to cpscotti@sourceforge and sava a life! Thanks,
Uh, this was done by a privately run camp paid for by the parents, with little relation to the government.
Edit: captcha was regret, fitting
^ doesn't know they're called carets
I mean, really - just put in a firewall or something to keep the people from finding out about this stuff. should be simple enough, right?
Yip. And you know me so well.
When did the Chinese government select this kid? His father voluntarily sought out the camp and paid $1024 without so much as a call from the government. Though honestly, that's almost more horrifying for the family. At least when the government forces your kid into a deathtrap, the family doesn't feel like it was their fault it happen.
I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
I call your bullshit and go all in on this bet.
...as Internet addiction. Never EVER forget that! EVER!
Also, wait for this to be the same in the "western" world in 10 years.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
"I'm sorry but "this is China" does not cause me to close my eyes to unalienable human rights that every human being in the world deserves!"
So what, you propose we go out again and beat CHINA this time around? No way.
I'm not specifically referring to this instance, but I agree that preventing it would be preferable as long as you are preventing it correctly. I'm referring more to the likes of the person that would rather sacrifice the ability for everyone in the country to leave the house at night because someone was shot or enforcing an overly strict requirement on something because of a fluke accident. (I basically read into the AC's post a bit more than I should have.)
My post also springs from this whole health care debacle we have going on here in the States. The system they want to implement is downright retarded and broken and they'd rather bankrupt the US and push it through than resolve it in other ways. (Bankrupt the country to give health care to people unwilling to use already available free clinics?) I guess it's the relationship between governmental programs gone wrong and health/death that got to me, sorry.
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
Must have been an old school side scrolling adventure.
Stupid forced scrolling.
It's funny that as soon as the context is America vs China, the acknowledgement that stealing and copyright infringement are different issues goes out the window, and we get a whole load of people talking just like the RIAA.
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In all fairness, your description fits what we have now wrt health care. Never mind that most people don't have access to decent health care or they think they do until they get sick. Moving to a cheaper system like is used in places such as denmark can fix some of our problems while providing coverage to more people. The big wins will be removing health insurance providers who spend more on denying coverage than paying claims and reap obscene profits and a move to more preventative care - doctor visits are way cheaper than the ER, but if you don't have insurance, you go to the ER and don't pay.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
Did he drop any good loot?
Maybe. There are well plotted average weight gain curves for teens and adults living varying levels of sedentary lifestyles.
I would bet a significant portion of the populace could not hit 550 pounds at any age without outside contributory factors beyond just a sedentary life.
You can't legislate goodness. Let each to his own destiny, by will of his freely made choices.
While they have them for kids addicted to the internet, ours are willing to kidnap them for less specific deeds(and to relatively far-away lands).
I would go so far as to say 60% of the population couldn't hit 550 if they tried (don't try). On the flip side, it turns out that I can get to 200 and perhaps a little bit under with only the smallest awareness of what goes in my mouth.
"We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
Too bad about the "never being able to do anything ever again" part.
Oh, right, and the USA is a democracy and that's why there has never been any torture there, nor kids murdered in boot camps.
I'm not saying the other things you are talking about aren't bad, but this is /. You know, "news for nerds." We take interest when a teenager is beaten to death at a camp where he was sent to be treated for "Internet addiction."
If this were a gay discussion site, I'm sure we would be interested in violence against homosexuals. But this is a 'nerd' website, and we are very interested in violence against nerds. It's not that we don't care about violence towards other groups. It's just that other violence isn't on-topic for this site. There are plenty of other places to discuss violence aside from /.
because China is already fairly undemocratic. Not on a downward slide like the west, I guess we'll meet them at the bottom with our censored internet and police state with plutocrats at the top doing what they like.
Internet is a disease for a country that likes censorship.
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Don't you mean "sinophobia"?
Annoyance at homophobia may distract from the bigger picture. The "boot camp" method is dangerous even if the problem is not imaginary (truancy, drug use, whatever kids are doing these days). To be clear, such camps can be run civilly. On the other hand, they can be operated by Nietzche wannabes or flagellant religious ascetics who are plainly in the business of hurting little people who can't fight back. Isolating a youth from a bad influence to psychologically "detox" isn't a bad idea -- it would probably be in line with anyone's idea of best practices in parenting -- but forcing a well-fed kid that hasn't walked a mile in years to hike over a mountain on scanty rations is outrageous. Without VERY careful monitoring, these rehabilitative retreats can quickly devolve into torture camps. Look into the work of Philip Zimbardo for a more academic look at the effects of total institutions on both their clients and their operators.
For there to be "sinophobia" doesn't god have to exist?
No, you're thinking of hamartophobia.
Whoosh.
...the S.T.A.R.S MT has suddenly disappeared, has not logged in in over a week. Guildmembers are concerned
Dont' worry... they have free medicine -- just like they apparently have free abuse...
It seems that the "Great leaders" have caught on that information is power, and the wielders of the Dark Art of The Internet are a threat to their regime.
Consequently they marked it as a mental disorder, instead of marking them enemies of the people directly, though the net effect is the same, by leveraging the negative connotation of "addicted" people.
Get ready for another run of Nazis, guys. Hitler didn't just hate Jews just because, they were a threat to his rule, due to their tight nit culture, and we can't have non-conformists, now, can we?
I don't know about everybody else, but I'm scared.
I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
Mod parent up. This murder is really getting to me. I'm 15 and I'm writing my will. Whatever. Excuse me while I go get drunk.
I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
Personally, I applaud china for dealing with their population problem!
Be seeing you...
Need I remind you that the USAnian government had orchestrated and committed more acts of terrorism than the rest of the world combined. Surely then, that counts as murder? or is it only wrong when it's non-americans?
Moderation hint: this is factually accurate and stated without intention to cause a flame-war, so 'troll' isn't appropriate...
Requiem for the American Dream
Oh really? Why don't *you* try getting elected to high office whilst openly stating that you are an atheist ?
Requiem for the American Dream
You realise that they almost certainly have no wi-fi there, yes?
Requiem for the American Dream
Kid gets beaten by asshole adults, beaten to death (not as if he tried to play superhero and fly from a cliff or such), and he gets mocked in a geek forum. I imagine slashdot's karma is taking some hits, too. There should be a moderation for "crass-assed humour"... I'd like to see each and every "funny" commentator and supporting moderator explain to the bereaved parents how they think this shit's funny. Imagine if one of YOUR kids or relatives got beaten to death, here in the US. You'd be out for blood. If *I* laughed, and poked fun at your pain, you'd (if endowed) hunt down every shred of info on me and begin a smear campaign, until the law caught up with you.
(Go ahead, mark it off-topic... I'm getting that lately...)
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