i dont know about operational overhead when running, but in terms of loading a program gnome takes absolutely forever. i can grab a soda while my 866 mhz crusoe (/w 5400 rpm hd) loads gedit. i find it flabbergasting.
kde/gnome take vaguely in the same domain of time to load, but their respective programs... whew... i cannot believe. gedit, the basic notepad for gnome ldd's 56 libraries, many of them non trivial. kedit 38, but it loads in under half the time. that is insane.
if it werent for the speed issue, i'd be running gnome. gnome 2.4 is very very slick. i ran it for a while on my laptop before i just got fed up with waiting. its fairly responsive once loaded, but the load time and fluxbox being faster...
then again, most people these days run computers four times faster than my piddly crusoe.
anyone insists their way is the only way, and they are probably wrong. but if everyone insists there was is the only way, is that way right?
this is the other way. every other distro in the world has gnome and kde both. just as kde has advantages over gnome and gnome has advantages over kde, providing only one has advantages and disadvantages over providing both or neither.
it makes a helluva lot of sense for a buisness class distro, which is what UserLinux seems to want to be. a distro built around LGPL would really make a lot of sense for the buisness world: no suprises for your managers. put it on the front page: the power of linux plus no worries about viral gpl when you start writing gui software. the point is moot in the face of the fact that UserLinux has no such grand goals (i'm sure that'd go over better than saying no kde... lol). But it makes some sense, again, especially when you are talking about buisness.
whats unfair to me is that people with really expensive buisness lines that can upload fas^H^H^Hat acceptable rates are rewarded with being able to download at 1/3 the speed of standard issue 1/10 the price of these new uber-cheap 3 mbps download accounts.
when i get out of college i'm going to have to spend not just $200/mo for DSL, but an additional $30/mo for the ADSL download line.:-/
the problem with all these examples is that they are more than waht your standard consumer is going to want. most people are consumers when they go looking for DSL or cable, not producers.
imagine if 1/8 every standard consumer left kazaa running. what was once a 128k annoyance to ISP's is now gargantuan. the money to pay for that has to come from somewhere.
sure, from our end thats a good deal. but for 90%- and more importantly the ISPS- you'd have to be braindead to provide it. a service that most consumers will not notice and 3rd parties will piggy back off of, gee great.
the no server clauses inherent in a majority of contracts these days seems to further drive the message home. there's very few legal uses for upstream bandwidth permitted by your contract. video conferencing and sending multimedia to relatives directly (not webhosting) are about the only ones. most consumers can barely understand attaching a photo to email, so even though their brand new mac lets them edit movies their mail accounts will be a limiting factor in media size, making 128k more than adequate for most photo jobs.
any which excell in sound quality? i'm looking for something which will match my grado SR-80's. something with decent oomph behind it would be nice too, although i'm slowly becoming more and more resigned to needing an inline amplifier.
its going to cost a decent fraction of the cost of installation to upgrade the infrastructure. any current upgrades would likely be based on the old system and able to offer merely a generational increase in speed towards say, T1 levels of performance.
why would they jump for that? what incentive is there to spend a metric-f-ton of cash for something which will give absolutely minimal returns for a generation, maybe two?
they want to hold out until theres a better upgrade route. something slightly more futureproof. i cant say i blame them.
on your latter note, new housing developments should be made DSL capable... thats inexcusable
me and my 4 housemates shell out $200/mo for SDSL. Its tolerable, but having more download speed and a non-congested 128k upload line would be nice. Is it possible to get two DSL lines to one resedential building?
price cuts seem less important to me than speed upgrades. unfortunately that seems to require the underlying technology get upgraded. once we got 1mbps sdsl- usually ran 1.5, but someone in the neighborhood got a T1 and our line could no longer support taht speed, so we're stuck at 768.
the main post you are replying to was talking about war. not terrorists smuggling in a nuke or two, thats pretty trivial.
we had spy planes good enough then to have a cuban missle crisis. the point is, anything of serious significance- in an all out war scenario- has naval forces close enough to stop it from happening.
the us hired carl sagan and a bunch of other scientists to figure out how big of a nuclear reaction it would take to make a mushroom cloud explosion off the face of the moon visible from earth.
me and my dad got in a whole lot of fights. my mom did a good job of making an individual out of me, much to my fathers chagrin. out of every fight he or i ever caused about the only thing i actually still fault him for is when my parents said they never wanted me viewing pornography on the computer again.
not because of the implications, i mean, i was going to do it one way or another. they could never stop that.
but because they went behind my back and spied on what i was doing. and i still remember that, clear as day. everything fight we've ever had fades into one "fight" memory, but this stands neatly by itself.
your crime is creating that of bland boring children who know how to kiss the systems ass and pay it proper respects. children who will continue the proud tradition of posting "Of course, if being honor students, gifted muscicians, eagle scouts, and a 4 of the damn nicest people I've ever had the joy of knowing is "messed up" I'm also damn glad I don't take this view." on message boards.
your kids will look back during their mid life crisis and see what bland boring lives they've lead. they will have a nice house, a wife, and two gifted honors students, both musicians because they were forced to learn an instrument- for their best interest. they will be the perfect children, successful by every definition. they're going to be so engratiated into the system their best way to embrace this strange feeling inside is going to be to go buy themselves a sports car, or god forbid for the real rebels a motorcycle. thats success, being able to opiate the pain with some new toy.
we can never learn how to deal with ourselves unless we are given that choice from the start.
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i think part of the reason he's choosing just GNOME is to allieviate the 300 people for 300 tasks problem.
.proggie directories and files would be spiff.
ps: a config editor that manages my 500
gnome runs smooth alright, smooth like molasses.
i dont know about operational overhead when running, but in terms of loading a program gnome takes absolutely forever. i can grab a soda while my 866 mhz crusoe (/w 5400 rpm hd) loads gedit. i find it flabbergasting.
kde/gnome take vaguely in the same domain of time to load, but their respective programs... whew... i cannot believe. gedit, the basic notepad for gnome ldd's 56 libraries, many of them non trivial. kedit 38, but it loads in under half the time. that is insane.
if it werent for the speed issue, i'd be running gnome. gnome 2.4 is very very slick. i ran it for a while on my laptop before i just got fed up with waiting. its fairly responsive once loaded, but the load time and fluxbox being faster...
then again, most people these days run computers four times faster than my piddly crusoe.
Myren
anyone insists their way is the only way, and they are probably wrong. but if everyone insists there was is the only way, is that way right?
this is the other way. every other distro in the world has gnome and kde both. just as kde has advantages over gnome and gnome has advantages over kde, providing only one has advantages and disadvantages over providing both or neither.
it makes a helluva lot of sense for a buisness class distro, which is what UserLinux seems to want to be. a distro built around LGPL would really make a lot of sense for the buisness world: no suprises for your managers. put it on the front page: the power of linux plus no worries about viral gpl when you start writing gui software. the point is moot in the face of the fact that UserLinux has no such grand goals (i'm sure that'd go over better than saying no kde... lol). But it makes some sense, again, especially when you are talking about buisness.
Myren
then why not go purely fltk, eh?
i honestly cannot imagine a distro without gnome libraries. i'm sure they'll be there, just not in linkable form.
works on a 25h biological clock anyways.
maglevs will be an impractical fantasy longer than the flying car will be.
why is mpc in such a tight spot? i love my mpc files. :-/
whats unfair to me is that people with really expensive buisness lines that can upload fas^H^H^Hat acceptable rates are rewarded with being able to download at 1/3 the speed of standard issue 1/10 the price of these new uber-cheap 3 mbps download accounts.
:-/
when i get out of college i'm going to have to spend not just $200/mo for DSL, but an additional $30/mo for the ADSL download line.
the problem with all these examples is that they are more than waht your standard consumer is going to want. most people are consumers when they go looking for DSL or cable, not producers.
imagine if 1/8 every standard consumer left kazaa running. what was once a 128k annoyance to ISP's is now gargantuan. the money to pay for that has to come from somewhere.
sure, from our end thats a good deal. but for 90%- and more importantly the ISPS- you'd have to be braindead to provide it. a service that most consumers will not notice and 3rd parties will piggy back off of, gee great.
the no server clauses inherent in a majority of contracts these days seems to further drive the message home. there's very few legal uses for upstream bandwidth permitted by your contract. video conferencing and sending multimedia to relatives directly (not webhosting) are about the only ones. most consumers can barely understand attaching a photo to email, so even though their brand new mac lets them edit movies their mail accounts will be a limiting factor in media size, making 128k more than adequate for most photo jobs.
any which excell in sound quality? i'm looking for something which will match my grado SR-80's. something with decent oomph behind it would be nice too, although i'm slowly becoming more and more resigned to needing an inline amplifier.
it also costs your first three children and the price of their college education.
from what to what?
(i'm running speakeasy 768k sdsl downgraded from 1mbps (usually running 1.5) after someone in the neighborhood got a T1... wtf?)
three chears for being morbidly bandwidthized (obese)
its going to cost a decent fraction of the cost of installation to upgrade the infrastructure. any current upgrades would likely be based on the old system and able to offer merely a generational increase in speed towards say, T1 levels of performance.
why would they jump for that? what incentive is there to spend a metric-f-ton of cash for something which will give absolutely minimal returns for a generation, maybe two?
they want to hold out until theres a better upgrade route. something slightly more futureproof. i cant say i blame them.
on your latter note, new housing developments should be made DSL capable... thats inexcusable
most people do not need upload speed.
is there some technical advantage to SDSL? I'd really like buisness dsl at 3mbps down and 768k up, versus my 768k SDSL now.
i'll pay you $20 a month for serving and garuntee minimal performance difference to you through automatic throttling and reserves.
moving from 56k -> college campus -> 768 SDSL is severly painful. ten leaps forwards, six leaps back.
i am glad broadbrand is spreading, but i'm very afraid its not advancing.
me and my 4 housemates shell out $200/mo for SDSL. Its tolerable, but having more download speed and a non-congested 128k upload line would be nice. Is it possible to get two DSL lines to one resedential building?
price cuts seem less important to me than speed upgrades. unfortunately that seems to require the underlying technology get upgraded. once we got 1mbps sdsl- usually ran 1.5, but someone in the neighborhood got a T1 and our line could no longer support taht speed, so we're stuck at 768.
i cant imagine how they're imaging creating any sort of absolute metric for time. i suppose if its low frequency enough its not that problematic.
the main post you are replying to was talking about war. not terrorists smuggling in a nuke or two, thats pretty trivial.
we had spy planes good enough then to have a cuban missle crisis. the point is, anything of serious significance- in an all out war scenario- has naval forces close enough to stop it from happening.
thats the control he's talking about.
for on body sensor networks.
it will be the next ui. accelerometers built into gloves, arm, all that. real gesture reckognition.
unless of course neural systems break first.
i hate how age makes me worried about whether or not i should post supposedly obvious things like this. capitalism bites.
the us hired carl sagan and a bunch of other scientists to figure out how big of a nuclear reaction it would take to make a mushroom cloud explosion off the face of the moon visible from earth.
me and my dad got in a whole lot of fights. my mom did a good job of making an individual out of me, much to my fathers chagrin. out of every fight he or i ever caused about the only thing i actually still fault him for is when my parents said they never wanted me viewing pornography on the computer again.
not because of the implications, i mean, i was going to do it one way or another. they could never stop that.
but because they went behind my back and spied on what i was doing. and i still remember that, clear as day. everything fight we've ever had fades into one "fight" memory, but this stands neatly by itself.
dont fuck with trust.
your crime is creating that of bland boring children who know how to kiss the systems ass and pay it proper respects. children who will continue the proud tradition of posting "Of course, if being honor students, gifted muscicians, eagle scouts, and a 4 of the damn nicest people I've ever had the joy of knowing is "messed up" I'm also damn glad I don't take this view." on message boards.
your kids will look back during their mid life crisis and see what bland boring lives they've lead. they will have a nice house, a wife, and two gifted honors students, both musicians because they were forced to learn an instrument- for their best interest. they will be the perfect children, successful by every definition. they're going to be so engratiated into the system their best way to embrace this strange feeling inside is going to be to go buy themselves a sports car, or god forbid for the real rebels a motorcycle. thats success, being able to opiate the pain with some new toy.
we can never learn how to deal with ourselves unless we are given that choice from the start.
amen. just watching firefly now for the first time. i've got 3 more episodes left before i start crying.