Ah, but if you're a twisted nut like me, you almost enjoy seeing a telemarketer come up on your caller id box. It presents endless possibilities, the simplest of which is just to pick up the phone, scream loudly into it, and hang up.
Better idea: Do some of the stuff that Jim Florentine does to telemarketers. This guy is a PRO.
Odd. I keep getting telemarkets calling on my cell phone, and as a college student, that gets expensive (relatively) quite quickly.
#include <ianal.h>
Want to offset some of that expense? Take legal action, even if it is against just one of the companies that is doing this to you. Telemarketing to a cellphone is a violation of FCC regulations. See here, Subpart L, section a.1.iii, and notice the words "cellular telephone service."
I live in Chicago. Recently they've passed legislation that says anyone who operates a used CD or DVD shop has to take personally-identifiable information from each customer when making a purchase. I've heard that such personally-identifiable information could even go up to SSN or photograph at purchase. I heard this from the owner of a used DVD shop.
Wow, just when I thought my fake ID had lost its usefulness due to my 21st birthday, something like this comes up...
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I know what you're saying here, but my first thought when I read this sentence was "You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel." Maybe Ralsky needs to be sent to prison for a while so his cellmates can start saying this to him.
(In case you don't know, the above quote is from BhG's 'Fire Water Burn')
It's a federal law. See the applicable FCC regulations on this page -- "[No person may] Initiate any telephone call to any residential telephone line using an artificial or prerecorded voice to deliver a message without the prior express consent of the called party, unless the call is initiated for emergency purposes or is [not made for a commercial purpose, made for a commercial purpose but does not include the transmission of any unsolicited advertisement, made to any person with whom the caller has an established business relationship at the time the call is made, or is made by a tax-exempt nonprofit organization.]"
Hey, I'll do it! I'll just send everyone an email to send me a dollar, and I'll deal with their spammers and.. oh wait, D'OH!
Obligatory Simpsons quote:
"Greetings, friends. Do you wish to look as happy as me? Well, you've got the power inside you right now. So use it and send one dollar to Happy Dude, 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield. Don't delay. Eternal happiness is just a dollar away."
I do the same thing Jens does, and to answer your first question, it serves the double purpose of making subscriptions more manageable and providing a way to determine where spammers got your address from. To answer your second question, Slashdot is mined quite frequently, so posting your address on Slashdot without spam armoring is like begging for spam. As far as how much email I get, I get almost 100% legit email now, after 5 years of having dozens of spams a day on my Hotmail account.
I have friends who worked at these companies while they were in college.
I'm a college student, and I would never work at a place like this. I'd go broke first. You have to put your morals above your money; if you were offered, say, $50 million to off someone, would you do it? If there are any telemarketers reading this: Please, for the good of the world, find another job.
I suspect "Netop" sold thier email list, that was the last newsletter I opted in. But how do you prove it?
Use the method I use: Get your own domain name -- they're cheap and worth it for the control you get -- and set the email so that mail sent to undefined addresses forwards to you. Use an external account to read this email, and do *not* give this address to *anybody*. Then, when you sign up for a list at a place like Netop, give them netop@yourdomain.com as your address. Then, any spam you get as a result of them selling your address will be addressed to netop@ your domain, which is quite easy to detect.
This method has other advantages; it makes managing the email lists you are subscribed to easier, for instance. As far as places I have detected mining/address selling, Slashdot is mined quite often (as if it shouldn't be obvious). But the main advantages of this method are that it's easy to set up, requires no effort at all after you get it set up, and if an address at your domain starts getting spam, you can shut it down.
We could then put whatever material we wanted on P2P networks, and the film and music industry representatives wouldn't even be able to find out what we were sharing without breaking the law they support. Wouldn't that be a good way of demonstrating the stupidity of this law?
They would then just use their 'we can hack P2P to find bad stuff' attitude to break it, and the government would let them. As I said a few posts ago, the government is not representative of the people as a whole, but representative of those with money. This isn't the way it should be, but it's the way it is.
As much as I hate to say it, laws are not there to punish people but to deter particular situations which are popularly held as inappropiate
Key word: "popularly." And obviously, many of the situations that the DMCA doesn't allow are situations that are *not* popularly held as inappropriate, but rather held as inappropriate by those who have the money. Much as I hate to say it, this government is becoming less and less representative of the people as a whole.
I remember just how fast an old 16 mhz AT clone could go from power on to a document open in Word Perfect for DOS. Could not have been more that 15 to 20 seconds if you started up WP - Document name in the autoexec.bat. How long would a 3 Ghz Intel box take to fire up XP and then Office XP and then open up a document ready to type something.
You're comparing two entirely different things here. DOS WordPerfect is a small text-mode program with few features written for a compact text-mode OS with few features. Word XP is a huge GUI application with tons of features written for a monstrous GUI OS with tons of features. A more fair comparison would be to, say, load DOS WordPerfect on your XP box. Even if you ran it in an AT emulator, it would probably come up in less total time than with a real AT.
This works for telemarketers too. When I get a computer-generated phone message that leaves an 800 number, I call it, chat for a while, and then ask to be put on the do not call list. This costs the phone-spammer about a dollar, maybe 50 cents. Do you think they'll keep phone-spamming if thousands of victims do the same thing?
One measly dollar? You do know that since prerecorded solicitation calls are for the most part illegal, you can get them for five hundred dollars, right?
Slashdot Mirror
Ah, but if you're a twisted nut like me, you almost enjoy seeing a telemarketer come up on your caller id box. It presents endless possibilities, the simplest of which is just to pick up the phone, scream loudly into it, and hang up.
Better idea: Do some of the stuff that Jim Florentine does to telemarketers. This guy is a PRO.
Odd. I keep getting telemarkets calling on my cell phone, and as a college student, that gets expensive (relatively) quite quickly.
#include <ianal.h>
Want to offset some of that expense? Take legal action, even if it is against just one of the companies that is doing this to you. Telemarketing to a cellphone is a violation of FCC regulations. See here, Subpart L, section a.1.iii, and notice the words "cellular telephone service."
I live in Chicago. Recently they've passed legislation that says anyone who operates a used CD or DVD shop has to take personally-identifiable information from each customer when making a purchase. I've heard that such personally-identifiable information could even go up to SSN or photograph at purchase. I heard this from the owner of a used DVD shop.
Wow, just when I thought my fake ID had lost its usefulness due to my 21st birthday, something like this comes up...
Help us to sue every spammer than sent mail to you and get $9.95 disount on your next bill :) )"
With the amount of spam I get, it would take a full time legal staff to do this. That would kind of cancel the benefit of the $9.95 discount.
If you want Slashdot to stop posting reg-required NY Times links, please respond to this comment with comments and suggestions. They could get a partnership with NYTimes, they could simply not post NYTimes links, etc. Keep in mind that the editors have stated that they have a policy of not linking to reg-required sites. So why then do they insist on posting all the NYTimes links?
Yeah, you're right. I realized that right after I clicked Submit. Oops :P
If anyone is sued by Ralksky, get discovery!
I know what you're saying here, but my first thought when I read this sentence was "You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel." Maybe Ralsky needs to be sent to prison for a while so his cellmates can start saying this to him.
(In case you don't know, the above quote is from BhG's 'Fire Water Burn')
The next Visual C++ is standards-compliant by vacuuming up a quality comptetitor...
For Microsoft, this is standards-compliant.
It's a federal law. See the applicable FCC regulations on this page -- "[No person may] Initiate any telephone call to any residential telephone line using an artificial or prerecorded voice to deliver a message without the prior express consent of the called party, unless the call is initiated for emergency purposes or is [not made for a commercial purpose, made for a commercial purpose but does not include the transmission of any unsolicited advertisement, made to any person with whom the caller has an established business relationship at the time the call is made, or is made by a tax-exempt nonprofit organization.]"
Hey, I'll do it! I'll just send everyone an email to send me a dollar, and I'll deal with their spammers and .. oh wait, D'OH!
Obligatory Simpsons quote:
"Greetings, friends. Do you wish to look as happy as me? Well, you've got the power inside you right now. So use it and send one dollar to Happy Dude, 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield. Don't delay. Eternal happiness is just a dollar away."
I do the same thing Jens does, and to answer your first question, it serves the double purpose of making subscriptions more manageable and providing a way to determine where spammers got your address from. To answer your second question, Slashdot is mined quite frequently, so posting your address on Slashdot without spam armoring is like begging for spam. As far as how much email I get, I get almost 100% legit email now, after 5 years of having dozens of spams a day on my Hotmail account.
I have friends who worked at these companies while they were in college.
I'm a college student, and I would never work at a place like this. I'd go broke first. You have to put your morals above your money; if you were offered, say, $50 million to off someone, would you do it? If there are any telemarketers reading this: Please, for the good of the world, find another job.
I get maybe one telemarketer call every other month, and normally those are recorded messages.
Which are illegal. Have you been collecting your $500 from the companies doing this?
I suspect "Netop" sold thier email list, that was the last newsletter I opted in. But how do you prove it?
Use the method I use: Get your own domain name -- they're cheap and worth it for the control you get -- and set the email so that mail sent to undefined addresses forwards to you. Use an external account to read this email, and do *not* give this address to *anybody*. Then, when you sign up for a list at a place like Netop, give them netop@yourdomain.com as your address. Then, any spam you get as a result of them selling your address will be addressed to netop@ your domain, which is quite easy to detect.
This method has other advantages; it makes managing the email lists you are subscribed to easier, for instance. As far as places I have detected mining/address selling, Slashdot is mined quite often (as if it shouldn't be obvious). But the main advantages of this method are that it's easy to set up, requires no effort at all after you get it set up, and if an address at your domain starts getting spam, you can shut it down.
Uninstall, reinstall, patch up to the level that caused the problem, and be happy with it.
You mean like what you do with Windows?
You can easily disable this service:
net stop messenger
Or just firewall port 135 (or whatever the messenger runs on, maybe 139) so that any address outside your network can't access it.
Snail mail is a bit harder to get rid of though because there is no Procmail equivalant
If the junk mailers are getting especially obnoxious, you can file a Form 1500 with the USPS. Makes it illegal for them to keep mailing you.
Actually, that would be http://www.whitehouse.gov/ [whitehouse.gov], NOT whitehouse.org. Did you do that on purpose?
At least he didn't slip up and write whitehouse.com...
We could then put whatever material we wanted on P2P networks, and the film and music industry representatives wouldn't even be able to find out what we were sharing without breaking the law they support. Wouldn't that be a good way of demonstrating the stupidity of this law?
They would then just use their 'we can hack P2P to find bad stuff' attitude to break it, and the government would let them. As I said a few posts ago, the government is not representative of the people as a whole, but representative of those with money. This isn't the way it should be, but it's the way it is.
As much as I hate to say it, laws are not there to punish people but to deter particular situations which are popularly held as inappropiate
Key word: "popularly." And obviously, many of the situations that the DMCA doesn't allow are situations that are *not* popularly held as inappropriate, but rather held as inappropriate by those who have the money. Much as I hate to say it, this government is becoming less and less representative of the people as a whole.
...the popups block you!
I remember just how fast an old 16 mhz AT clone could go from power on to a document open in Word Perfect for DOS. Could not have been more that 15 to 20 seconds if you started up WP - Document name in the autoexec.bat. How long would a 3 Ghz Intel box take to fire up XP and then Office XP and then open up a document ready to type something.
You're comparing two entirely different things here. DOS WordPerfect is a small text-mode program with few features written for a compact text-mode OS with few features. Word XP is a huge GUI application with tons of features written for a monstrous GUI OS with tons of features. A more fair comparison would be to, say, load DOS WordPerfect on your XP box. Even if you ran it in an AT emulator, it would probably come up in less total time than with a real AT.
Thus, it would be illegal to host adult content on your own webserver unless it belongs to a .xxx domain.
.jp domain. .au domain. .cx domain (*shudder*). .uk domain. .ru domain.
Or a
Or an
Or a
Or a
Or a
The list goes on and on...point is, you'll notice that all of these TLDs are outside the control of the U.S. government.
*cough* passport *cough* *cough*
You mean MSN Passport?
This works for telemarketers too. When I get a computer-generated phone message that leaves an 800 number, I call it, chat for a while, and then ask to be put on the do not call list. This costs the phone-spammer about a dollar, maybe 50 cents. Do you think they'll keep phone-spamming if thousands of victims do the same thing?
One measly dollar? You do know that since prerecorded solicitation calls are for the most part illegal, you can get them for five hundred dollars, right?