>You add/remove things to/from startup by editing the startup scripts themselves!
That's a mess? Only if you choose to make it one!
>It doesn't even have dependency tracking.
I need that for scripts... why?
>Yeah, Slackware's supposed to be "leet" and all, but it's not the init system that makes it so.
Sure it is.
If I want to add something, I can either make up a quick rc file, or simply add the binary to the rc.local file. I'll put a little comment above it explaining when/why it was added, and boom, simple and easy administration, with as much detail as you need.
>Gentoo's intelligent SysV-based init system is much more useful IMO.
Nothing sucks worse than an init system that programs automatically add themselves too. Perhaps I *want* to start my ftpd by hand! Up to now, I've not seen software that'll add itself to the slackware init system.
On that thought, I *hate* install scripts that modify my inetd files. Keep your fingers outta there!
>In other words, they're not easier, but they're easier?
Not really.
English is concepts based. Once you have understood the concept, you need to apply it.
Science is facts based. You need to know most all the facts to be able to use it.
For example, not knowing the speed of light will make it impossible to complete many light based experiments. However, not knowing to use "an" rather than "a" before words starting with a vowel will not prevent you from writing a rather competent english paper (you'll lose some marks for the error, but it could still be valid if you only missed that one idea).
Is science harder? No. It's simply that glossing over a small fact will prevent you from doing an entire section of study.
>I don't think portable MiniDisc players have S/PDIF outs.
Maybe not, but if you're planning to invest in proprietary and overpriced equipment, one should expect to have to pay large amounts of cash to complete the solution.
>The exact same reasoning applies to copyright infringement, with the exception of the fact that many more people do it, because it has become morally acceptable to much of the population, and because the laws in this area are not resepcted.
Okay, now I see what you mean.
However, the morality/motives are different. Consumers feel they are being charged too much for music. Simply cost breakdows, even using RIAA numbers, show they are in comparison to other media services. There's no way $200 million dollar movies like Waterworld should cost the same price as a million dollar CD. There's something screwy going on there, and consumers are scared. So rather than get gouged, they pirate it. Does that make it "right"? No. Does it give them a hell of a good reason? Yes.
Linksys, on the other hand, doesn't even have a good reason. I can't comprehend why they went with Linux when BSD was just waiting to be used, and wouldn't cause them nearly half the licensing problems. Linksys, also, has performed the most bewildering kind of theft: "Stealing" from the charity box. I mean, Linux is already Free, why the hell do you need to pirate it? It's not like the conditions of the Linux GPL are all that hard to deal with.
>Either way, the moral crime is the same whether one person does it or one thousand, and whether it's 1,000 individuals separately or a corporation with 1,000 people behind it.
No, it isn't.
If _everyone_ shoplifted, we'd have no stores.
Notice that we have stores, despite some shoplifting.
I'm afraid your whole argument is based on a specious premis (I'm having to say that word a lot nowadays).
>Isn't it odd how, according to Joe Slashdot, copyright is so important when it relates to the GPL, but so irrelevant when it relates to music or movies?
No, it isn't odd.
One (an individual slashdotter) causes, at most, the total "damage" of the cost of one CD to that company. Even that is debateable, however. The law is totally out of line on this, expecting that someone who takes $19.99 of product should be going to jail and be fined hundreds of thousands of dollars.
The other, however, causes wholescale damage. Linksys sells hundreds of thousands of products a year, and a single illicit action on their part can potentially cause millions of dollars of damage. In the case of Linux, being free, it's difficult to put a dollar value on the damage they have caused, except to assume that every sale of their pirated routers has caused another compliant company to lose a sale (again, that's debateable). This could possibly be millions of dollars of damage.
Generally, society regards an arsonist with much more condemnation than someone who throws bricks through windows. And so they should.
>It's just a shame that we have evolved a culture where copyright lacks respect to such a degree, and now the hard workers who create good things like the Linux kernel suffer because of the prevailing greed of song-swappers and the pirate movie business.
Did you know "song-swapping" isn't illegal in many copyright respecting countries (Canada, for example)? Don't make people out to be criminals when they're only criminals in RIAA-land.
>could someone please provide me with the equation if mine has a turntable?
Step [1]: Using a highly detailed tool (1) you will first wrap around a plastic groove on the front of the microwave. You will then use this tool (1) putting a few newtons of pulling force translaterally against the groove. Too much pressure here may be dangerous, so use caution. If your microwave has no such groove, you'll press tool (1) against a reverse indentation on the front of the microwave using at least a few newtons of pressure. Overuse of pressure is not a danger when using the correct tool (1).
Step [2]: At this point you'll be able to access the inside of the microwave. If you cannot access the inside of the microwave at this point, you have not successfully completed step [1]. Please attempt it again as necessary to access the inside of the microwave. Once access has been gained, you will use tool (1) to grip the edges of the glass object inside. Do not grip the glass object extremely tightly or it may be damaged! Now, using tool (1) exert an upward pressure to the glass object, causing it to levitate to the middle of the microwave (this point will vary depending on model).
Step [3]: You must complete step [2] to continue to this step. If you are at this step, you are now gripping a glass object centered in your microwave. Pull this object towards you with tool (1). Continue to move this object and rest it on a flat, cool, surface. Ungrip the object. Using a choice of tool (2), exert a reverse pressure on the item disloged in step [1]. Continue to extert this pressure until a click is heard.
Step [4]: There is no step [4]. If you have completed step [3], your microwave is now ready for the experiment in the article.
A "well encoded" DVD will fit not much more than 2 hours per layer. Since a layer change would be acceptable, but not a side change, during an episode, that's no more than about 5 episodes a side, or about 10 episodes a disc.
That leaves us with a 17 disc _minimum_ requirement, which doesn't leave much room for enhacements. I agree, 48 is a bit much, but perhaps they want art on each disc for readability purposes? That leaves only 14 "extra" discs.
Either way, since a pressed DVD costs less than $5 CDN to produce (evidenced by WalMart crap movies sales) even at 48 discs, that's a hefty premium for an already paid-up show.
>I mean for pure open distros we have already Debian with it's superior apt.
Slackware isn't going for the "pure open distro" thing, so Debian isn't where it's at.
Slackware is about making it work. Back a while ago that meant including XV and Netscape 4.07.
>So what makes Slackware special enough to give me a serious reason to use it ?
It's free (price), as easy, if not simpler, to install as Debian, and Patrick doesn't go ape-shit over semi-free licenses.
Also: The init system, the installer, the size (can be customized VERY easily to be quite small), the simplicity, the non-brokenness contribute to why I run it.
>And always remember: you are competing with OpenBSD, too.
In the case of slackware, why compete? They take the best of BSD (similar init system) and the best of linux (most other stuff).
>Don't you know that Linux users make up about 99% of all the mods?
Hmmmm... I guess that explains why I haven't had mod access for a LOOOONG time. But when I do get it, it comes in waves (like 5 points per day for a week). Strange...
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>You add/remove things to/from startup by editing the startup scripts themselves!
That's a mess? Only if you choose to make it one!
>It doesn't even have dependency tracking.
I need that for scripts... why?
>Yeah, Slackware's supposed to be "leet" and all, but it's not the init system that makes it so.
Sure it is.
If I want to add something, I can either make up a quick rc file, or simply add the binary to the rc.local file. I'll put a little comment above it explaining when/why it was added, and boom, simple and easy administration, with as much detail as you need.
>Gentoo's intelligent SysV-based init system is much more useful IMO.
Nothing sucks worse than an init system that programs automatically add themselves too. Perhaps I *want* to start my ftpd by hand! Up to now, I've not seen software that'll add itself to the slackware init system.
On that thought, I *hate* install scripts that modify my inetd files. Keep your fingers outta there!
>What is your definition of hard? It seems like not glossing over any small facts would be hard.
My definition of hard is not memorizing tables of data. That's just tedious.
My definition of hard is thouroughly understanding an idea to the point where you can develop on it. But hard isn't bad.
>In other words, they're not easier, but they're easier?
Not really.
English is concepts based. Once you have understood the concept, you need to apply it.
Science is facts based. You need to know most all the facts to be able to use it.
For example, not knowing the speed of light will make it impossible to complete many light based experiments. However, not knowing to use "an" rather than "a" before words starting with a vowel will not prevent you from writing a rather competent english paper (you'll lose some marks for the error, but it could still be valid if you only missed that one idea).
Is science harder? No. It's simply that glossing over a small fact will prevent you from doing an entire section of study.
>(Score:-1, Flamebait)
Wooo, the redhat zealots are out there tonite!
Because of the crappy Sys V init, I use slackware for it's excellent init system.
Why go to all this effort when it's already done for you?
Ok, while I admit you can get a decent machine for $369 (probably without the OS), that's an eMachine.
:-)
Remember them? Or have you blocked the pain from your mind?
>What about games like aliens 3 which required a light gun?
:-)
What about them?
>I don't think portable MiniDisc players have S/PDIF outs.
Maybe not, but if you're planning to invest in proprietary and overpriced equipment, one should expect to have to pay large amounts of cash to complete the solution.
>The exact same reasoning applies to copyright infringement, with the exception of the fact that many more people do it, because it has become morally acceptable to much of the population, and because the laws in this area are not resepcted.
Okay, now I see what you mean.
However, the morality/motives are different. Consumers feel they are being charged too much for music. Simply cost breakdows, even using RIAA numbers, show they are in comparison to other media services. There's no way $200 million dollar movies like Waterworld should cost the same price as a million dollar CD. There's something screwy going on there, and consumers are scared. So rather than get gouged, they pirate it. Does that make it "right"? No. Does it give them a hell of a good reason? Yes.
Linksys, on the other hand, doesn't even have a good reason. I can't comprehend why they went with Linux when BSD was just waiting to be used, and wouldn't cause them nearly half the licensing problems. Linksys, also, has performed the most bewildering kind of theft: "Stealing" from the charity box. I mean, Linux is already Free, why the hell do you need to pirate it? It's not like the conditions of the Linux GPL are all that hard to deal with.
>Either way, the moral crime is the same whether one person does it or one thousand, and whether it's 1,000 individuals separately or a corporation with 1,000 people behind it.
No, it isn't.
If _everyone_ shoplifted, we'd have no stores.
Notice that we have stores, despite some shoplifting.
I'm afraid your whole argument is based on a specious premis (I'm having to say that word a lot nowadays).
>Isn't it odd how, according to Joe Slashdot, copyright is so important when it relates to the GPL, but so irrelevant when it relates to music or movies?
No, it isn't odd.
One (an individual slashdotter) causes, at most, the total "damage" of the cost of one CD to that company. Even that is debateable, however. The law is totally out of line on this, expecting that someone who takes $19.99 of product should be going to jail and be fined hundreds of thousands of dollars.
The other, however, causes wholescale damage. Linksys sells hundreds of thousands of products a year, and a single illicit action on their part can potentially cause millions of dollars of damage. In the case of Linux, being free, it's difficult to put a dollar value on the damage they have caused, except to assume that every sale of their pirated routers has caused another compliant company to lose a sale (again, that's debateable). This could possibly be millions of dollars of damage.
Generally, society regards an arsonist with much more condemnation than someone who throws bricks through windows. And so they should.
>It's just a shame that we have evolved a culture where copyright lacks respect to such a degree, and now the hard workers who create good things like the Linux kernel suffer because of the prevailing greed of song-swappers and the pirate movie business.
Did you know "song-swapping" isn't illegal in many copyright respecting countries (Canada, for example)? Don't make people out to be criminals when they're only criminals in RIAA-land.
>Minidiscs don't have SPDIF outputs. Only SPIDIF inputs.
Run that by me again...
I do think you are mistaken. Look closely at the diagram.
>could someone please provide me with the equation if mine has a turntable?
Step [1]: Using a highly detailed tool (1) you will first wrap around a plastic groove on the front of the microwave. You will then use this tool (1) putting a few newtons of pulling force translaterally against the groove. Too much pressure here may be dangerous, so use caution. If your microwave has no such groove, you'll press tool (1) against a reverse indentation on the front of the microwave using at least a few newtons of pressure. Overuse of pressure is not a danger when using the correct tool (1).
Step [2]: At this point you'll be able to access the inside of the microwave. If you cannot access the inside of the microwave at this point, you have not successfully completed step [1]. Please attempt it again as necessary to access the inside of the microwave. Once access has been gained, you will use tool (1) to grip the edges of the glass object inside. Do not grip the glass object extremely tightly or it may be damaged! Now, using tool (1) exert an upward pressure to the glass object, causing it to levitate to the middle of the microwave (this point will vary depending on model).
Step [3]: You must complete step [2] to continue to this step. If you are at this step, you are now gripping a glass object centered in your microwave. Pull this object towards you with tool (1). Continue to move this object and rest it on a flat, cool, surface. Ungrip the object. Using a choice of tool (2), exert a reverse pressure on the item disloged in step [1]. Continue to extert this pressure until a click is heard.
Step [4]: There is no step [4]. If you have completed step [3], your microwave is now ready for the experiment in the article.
Required Tools:
(1) fingers
(2) hand
Optional Tools:
(3) brain
(4) article
>And then you get the recorded data on the MiniDisc onto your computer how?
.mp3 and (if it exists!) .wav is all to easy to remove, eh?
I don't even OWN any MiniDisc stuff (I abstain from Sony shite except when necessary) and I can answer that question:
Minidisc SPDIF out ----> SB Live! Value (about $40) SPDIF in
Yes, SCMS will only let you make one SPDIF/TOSLink copy. Too bad that the copyright tag in
If you watched that much of TNG, you must be masochistic! :-)
Mmmhmmm...
There's 168 star trek: TNG episodes total.
Each episode is about 45 - 50 minutes long, IIRC.
A "well encoded" DVD will fit not much more than 2 hours per layer. Since a layer change would be acceptable, but not a side change, during an episode, that's no more than about 5 episodes a side, or about 10 episodes a disc.
That leaves us with a 17 disc _minimum_ requirement, which doesn't leave much room for enhacements. I agree, 48 is a bit much, but perhaps they want art on each disc for readability purposes? That leaves only 14 "extra" discs.
Either way, since a pressed DVD costs less than $5 CDN to produce (evidenced by WalMart crap movies sales) even at 48 discs, that's a hefty premium for an already paid-up show.
>I mean for pure open distros we have already Debian with it's superior apt.
Slackware isn't going for the "pure open distro" thing, so Debian isn't where it's at.
Slackware is about making it work. Back a while ago that meant including XV and Netscape 4.07.
>So what makes Slackware special enough to give me a serious reason to use it ?
It's free (price), as easy, if not simpler, to install as Debian, and Patrick doesn't go ape-shit over semi-free licenses.
Also: The init system, the installer, the size (can be customized VERY easily to be quite small), the simplicity, the non-brokenness contribute to why I run it.
>And always remember: you are competing with OpenBSD, too.
In the case of slackware, why compete? They take the best of BSD (similar init system) and the best of linux (most other stuff).
Won't work, sorry.
>Now it is "Don't educate people on WHY a movie costs 8 dollars".
If they were really $8 I'd be all over buying them. You can't even see them in a decent theatre for $8 anymore (I pay $10 US per viewing)!
Most movies cost $22 US nowadays (I did the conversion for you).
>It makes you sound arrogant to think that anybody would actually mistake you for a lawyer.
Yeah,
shepd, esq.
>Are those the weeks that you've used Linux? :-) No, I do use linux, just not totally on the desktop yet (it's on all the servers, of course).
>Don't you know that Linux users make up about 99% of all the mods?
Hmmmm... I guess that explains why I haven't had mod access for a LOOOONG time. But when I do get it, it comes in waves (like 5 points per day for a week). Strange...
klerck, the reformed slashjerk.
Here's his ban page.
>So you would protect your job at the expense of others lives? - nice one.
No, but telling customers would be pointless, no?
He'd be much better to talk to the police. They'd advise him how they can set up a covert operation using him to check out what's going on.
If instead he gets fired, the police, etc, have a very hard time figuring out what to do. Everyone's already been tipped off.
>Try talking bad about Linux on Slashdot and I bet you'll get banned from this place.
If by "ban" you mean unable to access slashdot for 72 hours due to attempts to ruin the forum (page widening by klerck), then sure.
Otherwise, you're quite wrong. In fact, slashdot has only ever deleted one post.