Unfortunately from what I've read it's very likely Bank of America or less likely Citibank.. Paypal is still too small of a potato I think for a big public announcement.
Hurting US interests, especially for journalistic reasons (publishing to the public) is not illegal last time I checked. Granted it is illegal for US citizens to negotiate in lieu of the US gov't with foreign governments, but that doesn't seem to apply here. Espionage is also a crime, but the New York Times was not brought to account for releasing the Pentagon papers, which seems almost precisely analogous to what wikileaks is doing. Washington Post broke Watergate stories by publishing information from an inside source who was sharing private and possibly classified information, and I can't think of a more damaging report than the Watergate story in terms of hurting US interests, foreign and domestic.
Even holding aside that Wikileaks is a foreign news service, in the US reporters are not obligated to refrain from hurting U.S. diplomatic efforts. Damaging the US by reporting what the US is saying behind closed doors is absolutely fair game for public reporting, at least as best as I understand the laws of journalism and free speech protection. In fact I think the first amendment was specifically created to support that kind of action.
On the other hand, I can see where you're coming from about Amazon and Paypal dumping wikileaks b/c they don't like what they're doing. As non-government entities they aren't at obliged to support wikileaks or do business with them.
Not to be too pedantic, but from what I remember of what little I studied of philosophy of science your statement is problematic:
It's not just the formulas that don't work... scientists observe behaviors that should be impossible.
Formulas "don't work" when observation doesn't agree with them. Observations are considered as "should be impossible" when they disagree with the interpretive/explanatory model being used (often formula-based like e=mc^2 or whatever). There's no difference between the two statements, as best I can tell. Like I said, kind of pedantic..
Gerald Joyce, a chemist and molecular biologist at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, Calif., said the work “shows in principle that you could have a different form of life,” but noted that even these bacteria are affixed to the same tree of life as the rest of us, like the extremophiles that exist in ocean vents.
This appears to be bacteria who can knock phosphorous out of their DNA and downstream molecules and replace it with some form of arsenic. Neat trick and probably very useful when surviving in high arsenic low phosphorous environments? But not a new tree of life, just plain old tough-as-a-boot regular life doing what it does best: surviving.
Hey thanks - good tip. It seemed odd to me that traffic would route the long way, but I'd guessed (wrongly) that the.cn BGP weight must have been low enough to make it worth it. Of course now that you point it out, the routers in CA would know that.cn is far away on the first hop, so it wouldn't matter if the rest of the hops are basically free, the CA routers would choose a shorter/cheaper hop on the first step. Asian routers would be in a tougher spot and I could see how they'd jump on an advertised cheap route through China.
Thanks for clearing that up (assuming I'm following along)!
You're right of course, but the point for me is that many folks don't do that (encrypt their traffic) b/c they're dumb about security, sometimes relying on what they think are immutable laws of routing (which this problem points out are not immutable at all).
No one in California hitting dell.com would think that their traffic would go through China to get to Texas (or wherever Dell.com is located). And especially if you look up dell.com's arin physical location you definitely wouldn't expect a big dog leg in your traffic path thru.cn.
People make implicit assumptions about BGP routes even if they don't know what BGP is. The China routing problem raises this issue, more so than the volume of traffic that China routed temporarily.
Martin Luther King said something along the lines of, "The law can't make all white men love me, but it can keep them from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important."
In TFA they mention this -- suggesting that V6 transition will exacerbate the BGP tables bloat problem, without addressing the core trust routing issues inherent with the way BGP is propagated today.
Makes sense - with new V6 routable addresses available a bunch of folks who have been compressing their networks behind NAT will probably put a lot of new networks online under V6. With V4 running side-by-side, there will need to be a some kind of V4 BGP routes over to these new V6 networks in order for them to be translatable. More BGP bloat..
Come to think of it, this seems like a big reason why V6 transition is so dang hard.
I do not know how BGP or something equivalent works in the V6 world and the article didn't seem to address that. Anyone?
From what I've read so far on this, the 15% number is a red herring. The real problem was that China was able to route traffic for domains/networks which it had nothing to do with including dell.com and some US DoD networks. Volume wasn't the main issue (though surely it was causing problems in terms of latency and throughput) -- the main issue was that China was seeing packets that it shouldn't have.
Now we all know that no one routes traffic over the public internet that it doesn't assume bad actors will see. Right?
Ok wait. Defense, social security and medicare are the other 80%. Eliminating Defense entirely would cut 20% of the budget. Are you saying that social security and medicare are less "productive" than NASA?
I'm not hating on Apple amigo - and if you read what I said, it's the exact same thing that you said. Amazon negotiated a DRM-free deal and then Apple followed suit. Why do you think the record companies negotiated with Amazon on DRM? Either Apple wouldn't play ball or the the companies wanted two players at the table. Either way, Amazon brought low cost DRM free music to the masses first.
Good point - and the opposite is also true. My purchases of legal MP3's went through the roof once Amazon started offering a fairly deep catalog of them.
Hear hear! Well said - Amazon coming onto the scene and negotiating MP3 tracks from the publishers is what seems to finally pushed Apple into the same position. Let's not forget Apple originally tried to sell their MP3 tracks for MORE than the DRM tracks cost (under the perverse logic that you could do more with an MP3 therefore it was more valuable and should cost more - crazy talk).
Apple certainly laid the ground work for Amazon to get into the game, no doubt about that.
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When I write in perl I can't even decompile the code I wrote myself 5 minutes earlier. It's eerie. It's like a one way hash for logic..
True for most places, but CA for example makes most of its electricity from nat gas, so elec vehicles in CA are run on mostly natural gas.. Just saying. Moving the generation to the large generators isn't great now due to coal but it does allow us to slip new fuel sources into the mix, which is very hard to do when everyone is burning gas from a tank. That seems like the advantage of electric -- we can grow into alternative fuels rather than have to change over all at once.. Of course changing over to electric from gas is still a big switch but once made you're future proof in terms of new discoveries for energy: fusion energy finally online? No problem, every elec car is already "fusion compatible" (tm)..
Good point, but also don't forget refill/recharge time. It's not enough to have the energy density in the car, you have to be able to reload that energy in a reasonable time (prob 5 min)..
True, but it seems like the point of this is that hardware is usually viewed as an immutable in the virus vectors, but if someone gets a hold of container of PCI cards coming over from Taiwan they could cause a lot of trouble with them..
Yeah - double plus on this comment. I've owned a 62 Ford Falcon, a 67 Mustang and a 69 T-Bird. All great, reliable cars. I could do most of the repairs and maintenance myself, cost of operation was low. Biggest downside was that they were not nearly as safe a modern car and their emissions controls were worse (but my Falcon wagon got the same mileage as a Subaru Forester).
Thanks - this is what I was thinking too. It seems like the hard part of TSP is to *prove* that the shortest solution is in fact shortest. I think it's relatively trivial to find a very short solution to the problem (even by hand for a reasonable # of nodes). Demonstrating that the proposed path is in fact the absolute best is where the headaches (NP time) come in?
Hmm - I'm having trouble reconciling your use of "colossal failure" with "excess of resources" -- do you mean failure in a moral or other sense rather than the business sense? He's made a pile of cash doing things his own way for a long time. I don't admire the guy but I accept that he's been very successful.
There's an alternative free info service you can use - I've used it for a while and it seems to have the same tech running as the for-fee telco 411 services..
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Unfortunately from what I've read it's very likely Bank of America or less likely Citibank.. Paypal is still too small of a potato I think for a big public announcement.
Hurting US interests, especially for journalistic reasons (publishing to the public) is not illegal last time I checked. Granted it is illegal for US citizens to negotiate in lieu of the US gov't with foreign governments, but that doesn't seem to apply here. Espionage is also a crime, but the New York Times was not brought to account for releasing the Pentagon papers, which seems almost precisely analogous to what wikileaks is doing. Washington Post broke Watergate stories by publishing information from an inside source who was sharing private and possibly classified information, and I can't think of a more damaging report than the Watergate story in terms of hurting US interests, foreign and domestic.
Even holding aside that Wikileaks is a foreign news service, in the US reporters are not obligated to refrain from hurting U.S. diplomatic efforts. Damaging the US by reporting what the US is saying behind closed doors is absolutely fair game for public reporting, at least as best as I understand the laws of journalism and free speech protection. In fact I think the first amendment was specifically created to support that kind of action.
On the other hand, I can see where you're coming from about Amazon and Paypal dumping wikileaks b/c they don't like what they're doing. As non-government entities they aren't at obliged to support wikileaks or do business with them.
Not to be too pedantic, but from what I remember of what little I studied of philosophy of science your statement is problematic:
It's not just the formulas that don't work... scientists observe behaviors that should be impossible.
Formulas "don't work" when observation doesn't agree with them. Observations are considered as "should be impossible" when they disagree with the interpretive/explanatory model being used (often formula-based like e=mc^2 or whatever). There's no difference between the two statements, as best I can tell. Like I said, kind of pedantic..
Gerald Joyce, a chemist and molecular biologist at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, Calif., said the work “shows in principle that you could have a different form of life,” but noted that even these bacteria are affixed to the same tree of life as the rest of us, like the extremophiles that exist in ocean vents.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/science/03arsenic.html
This appears to be bacteria who can knock phosphorous out of their DNA and downstream molecules and replace it with some form of arsenic. Neat trick and probably very useful when surviving in high arsenic low phosphorous environments? But not a new tree of life, just plain old tough-as-a-boot regular life doing what it does best: surviving.
Hey thanks - good tip. It seemed odd to me that traffic would route the long way, but I'd guessed (wrongly) that the .cn BGP weight must have been low enough to make it worth it. Of course now that you point it out, the routers in CA would know that .cn is far away on the first hop, so it wouldn't matter if the rest of the hops are basically free, the CA routers would choose a shorter/cheaper hop on the first step. Asian routers would be in a tougher spot and I could see how they'd jump on an advertised cheap route through China.
Thanks for clearing that up (assuming I'm following along)!
You're right of course, but the point for me is that many folks don't do that (encrypt their traffic) b/c they're dumb about security, sometimes relying on what they think are immutable laws of routing (which this problem points out are not immutable at all).
No one in California hitting dell.com would think that their traffic would go through China to get to Texas (or wherever Dell.com is located). And especially if you look up dell.com's arin physical location you definitely wouldn't expect a big dog leg in your traffic path thru .cn.
People make implicit assumptions about BGP routes even if they don't know what BGP is. The China routing problem raises this issue, more so than the volume of traffic that China routed temporarily.
Obligatory: http://xkcd.com/149/
Martin Luther King said something along the lines of, "The law can't make all white men love me, but it can keep them from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important."
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the buying public.
Not sure who said it but not much has changed in the digital world..
In TFA they mention this -- suggesting that V6 transition will exacerbate the BGP tables bloat problem, without addressing the core trust routing issues inherent with the way BGP is propagated today.
Makes sense - with new V6 routable addresses available a bunch of folks who have been compressing their networks behind NAT will probably put a lot of new networks online under V6. With V4 running side-by-side, there will need to be a some kind of V4 BGP routes over to these new V6 networks in order for them to be translatable. More BGP bloat..
Come to think of it, this seems like a big reason why V6 transition is so dang hard.
I do not know how BGP or something equivalent works in the V6 world and the article didn't seem to address that. Anyone?
From what I've read so far on this, the 15% number is a red herring. The real problem was that China was able to route traffic for domains/networks which it had nothing to do with including dell.com and some US DoD networks. Volume wasn't the main issue (though surely it was causing problems in terms of latency and throughput) -- the main issue was that China was seeing packets that it shouldn't have.
Now we all know that no one routes traffic over the public internet that it doesn't assume bad actors will see. Right?
Ok wait. Defense, social security and medicare are the other 80%. Eliminating Defense entirely would cut 20% of the budget. Are you saying that social security and medicare are less "productive" than NASA?
Just curious.
https://financialpostbusiness.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/us-budget-deficit.jpg?w=620&h=434
I'm not hating on Apple amigo - and if you read what I said, it's the exact same thing that you said. Amazon negotiated a DRM-free deal and then Apple followed suit. Why do you think the record companies negotiated with Amazon on DRM? Either Apple wouldn't play ball or the the companies wanted two players at the table. Either way, Amazon brought low cost DRM free music to the masses first.
Good point - and the opposite is also true. My purchases of legal MP3's went through the roof once Amazon started offering a fairly deep catalog of them.
Hear hear! Well said - Amazon coming onto the scene and negotiating MP3 tracks from the publishers is what seems to finally pushed Apple into the same position. Let's not forget Apple originally tried to sell their MP3 tracks for MORE than the DRM tracks cost (under the perverse logic that you could do more with an MP3 therefore it was more valuable and should cost more - crazy talk).
Apple certainly laid the ground work for Amazon to get into the game, no doubt about that.
When I write in perl I can't even decompile the code I wrote myself 5 minutes earlier. It's eerie. It's like a one way hash for logic..
Thanks - at least now I know where Mr. T trained in rhetoric.
FTW!
True for most places, but CA for example makes most of its electricity from nat gas, so elec vehicles in CA are run on mostly natural gas.. Just saying. Moving the generation to the large generators isn't great now due to coal but it does allow us to slip new fuel sources into the mix, which is very hard to do when everyone is burning gas from a tank. That seems like the advantage of electric -- we can grow into alternative fuels rather than have to change over all at once.. Of course changing over to electric from gas is still a big switch but once made you're future proof in terms of new discoveries for energy: fusion energy finally online? No problem, every elec car is already "fusion compatible" (tm)..
Good point, but also don't forget refill/recharge time. It's not enough to have the energy density in the car, you have to be able to reload that energy in a reasonable time (prob 5 min)..
True, but it seems like the point of this is that hardware is usually viewed as an immutable in the virus vectors, but if someone gets a hold of container of PCI cards coming over from Taiwan they could cause a lot of trouble with them..
Yeah - double plus on this comment. I've owned a 62 Ford Falcon, a 67 Mustang and a 69 T-Bird. All great, reliable cars. I could do most of the repairs and maintenance myself, cost of operation was low. Biggest downside was that they were not nearly as safe a modern car and their emissions controls were worse (but my Falcon wagon got the same mileage as a Subaru Forester).
Thanks - this is what I was thinking too. It seems like the hard part of TSP is to *prove* that the shortest solution is in fact shortest. I think it's relatively trivial to find a very short solution to the problem (even by hand for a reasonable # of nodes). Demonstrating that the proposed path is in fact the absolute best is where the headaches (NP time) come in?
Hmm - I'm having trouble reconciling your use of "colossal failure" with "excess of resources" -- do you mean failure in a moral or other sense rather than the business sense? He's made a pile of cash doing things his own way for a long time. I don't admire the guy but I accept that he's been very successful.
There's an alternative free info service you can use - I've used it for a while and it seems to have the same tech running as the for-fee telco 411 services..
800-555-TELL - company is TellMe.com
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