HEY. It took A LOT of people with A LOT of money with A LOT of time to do A LOT of work to INFER any results that you or I could have come up with using common sense.
So it's not really nothing new, but it is just an another "china and communism is bad"-story when pretty much the same is done in the US.
No... Don't you see?
The Chinese infiltrated the economic structure of the United States long ago, forcing people to use their real names for services. Only now that it has been widely adopted as "okay", can China show its true colours.
We've all had the hoods pulled over our eyes, China controls America!
If music, movies, software and books are freely distributed they pretty much have zero value. There will be some very talented folks that are also independently wealthy (or have gotten rich from when their music had value) that can afford to work for nothing. The rest of the world is going to do something that pays the rent and the grocery bill.
The "Rest of the world doing something" in terms of musicians usually equates to shows and merchandise at said shows, since they make about Minimum wage from a record going gold anyways. If a song had zero value - the only people it would hurt is the distributors, not the artists. We've had a few stories on here about how artists don't make much money, if any at all, on record sales.
There are many bands, even big ones, that can afford to give their music away for free online because they make much more in shows. I believe Audioslave or Soundgarden did this once, someone mentioned it earlier. And a lot of Indie labels do this as well. Plus I think Trent Reznor was pushing for this with Nine Inch Nails? Or something like that.
Even software could work along a similar line, more like contract work. You get commissioned to a job, you do it, you get paid. End of story, don't worry about licensing, and distribution, your work is done and you got paid a sum.
Sure, the distribution companies might not GO AWAY, they'll still be around trying to push out artists - but its entirely possible that they won't be the ones in charge, and independant labels that give away music for free are the ones on top.
How? A ban on liquor is equated to a making music copying illegal
In that both of them were pretty much unenforcable.
"It's absurd to expect ordinary members of the public to think "
Really?
Well yeah I disagree there, in Canada we had a referendum regarding prohibition, which is asking the ordinary members of the public to vote on the issue. So the idea isn't absurd, though since Canada is many many many multitudes smaller than the states, it might be impractical there. I mean, our elections are over in 1 day.
From my understanding of evolution, I think its surprising that we'd put the central waste facility right next to the playground and manufacturing plant.
In Canada we have on the extremely rare occasion had Referendums dealing with important legislation. I believe the last national one we held was in 1992? And there are provincial ones every decade or so. We had one upon the subject of Prohibition in the 20's, which I think actually ended up passing, but was repealed shortly thereafter because of its unenforceable nature. Exactly what Mr Pink up there is saying.
But I disagree when he says
It's absurd to expect ordinary members of the public to think about what they're allowed to do [with CDs, digital downloads, etc]... and then ask themselves whether it's legal or not
No, I don't think it's absurd at all - in Canada we may have still ended up voting in favour of it (51.2 for and 48.8 against) - but at least its not a crazy idea to, you know, ASK the general public.
Probably just a miss-click. You'll notice Slashdot also gave him 40% Insightful, 30% Interesting and 30% Funny, yet somehow it shows up labelled as funny. Gotta love logic errors!
has walls that measure about a square meter (nearly 9 square feet)
Is that really how American's say it?
1 meter = 3.2808399 feet. Wouldn't that make it ~3.2 Square feet? Or do you guys take off the square from the unit somehow, and apply it to the number, So a square meter would be 3.2808399 squared, or 10.76391044943201 (so closer to 11 feet than 9).
The engine has already been created - and tested, it is faster than their current engine.
Yes, they hope to beat the best, and of course thats just marketting speak like all browsers do, but it's not like Firefox has set any goals and felt any backlash when they didn't meet them before.
You realize that's 5% JUST from the buzz around Apple, and doesn't even include the cost and repercussions after they preform a recall?
Yes, their stock price is still healthy.
Yes, after it's all said and done, they'll probably still be above what they were a year ago.
But these sort of things have far reaching consequences. Do you realize how many people buy Apple products because they "simply work"? This one unreliable product has planted the seed of doubt.
I don't think that's much of a stretch at all, and its not as if the typical end user is going to know or care to secure their node.
The typical end user will need to forward the port on their standard dlink/linksys/walmart router. Not to mention, your computer won't respond on that port without something running that requires the port (so if you aren't hosting anything you can't be hit on that port anyways). Windows has had a firewall built into their OS for a long time now.
If net neutrality was implemented it WILL WITH CERTAINTY increase internet costs for all users
Did it ever occur to you that some of us would be willing to pay more for untampered internet?
And it's not just about peer2peer tampering. It's about all traffic shaping - streaming videos, playing video games, etc. Some of us would like to have unrestricted access. We already put up with the bandwidth issues during high traffic times - but you'll still be shaped in low traffic times. (Which, we might add, there is more low and mid-low traffic times then there are high and mid-high traffic times).
You mention how Net Neutrality will offer more choices (those with tampering and those without). Currently, for most people, there are two options, Suck and suck harder.
It's not a fickle phrase, Read it over again slowly.
'No [one] can block, interfere with, discriminate, hinder, nor restrict the right of any Internet user of using, send, receive or offer any content, application, or legitimate service through the Internet, as well as any activity or legitimate use conducted through the Internet.
(emphasis mine)
It is basically saying No one can block/interfere/hinder/restrict anyone from using/sending/receiving/offering any content/application/legitimate-service/any-activity/legitimate-use of the internet.
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HEY. It took A LOT of people with A LOT of money with A LOT of time to do A LOT of work to INFER any results that you or I could have come up with using common sense.
Don't rain on their parade.
and is genuine about the education of students
See, okay, if every one of your teachers is genuine about the education of students, then you haven't had a bad teacher.
Where we are raised, there are more teachers who are NOT in it for the education of students.
So it's not really nothing new, but it is just an another "china and communism is bad"-story when pretty much the same is done in the US.
No... Don't you see?
The Chinese infiltrated the economic structure of the United States long ago, forcing people to use their real names for services. Only now that it has been widely adopted as "okay", can China show its true colours.
We've all had the hoods pulled over our eyes, China controls America!
So, recalling a phone that works fine is a smart move?
We have plenty of evidence to suggest the phone does not work fine.
What would that other e stand for?
Express PCI Express?
If music, movies, software and books are freely distributed they pretty much have zero value. There will be some very talented folks that are also independently wealthy (or have gotten rich from when their music had value) that can afford to work for nothing. The rest of the world is going to do something that pays the rent and the grocery bill.
The "Rest of the world doing something" in terms of musicians usually equates to shows and merchandise at said shows, since they make about Minimum wage from a record going gold anyways. If a song had zero value - the only people it would hurt is the distributors, not the artists. We've had a few stories on here about how artists don't make much money, if any at all, on record sales.
There are many bands, even big ones, that can afford to give their music away for free online because they make much more in shows. I believe Audioslave or Soundgarden did this once, someone mentioned it earlier. And a lot of Indie labels do this as well. Plus I think Trent Reznor was pushing for this with Nine Inch Nails? Or something like that.
Even software could work along a similar line, more like contract work. You get commissioned to a job, you do it, you get paid. End of story, don't worry about licensing, and distribution, your work is done and you got paid a sum.
Sure, the distribution companies might not GO AWAY, they'll still be around trying to push out artists - but its entirely possible that they won't be the ones in charge, and independant labels that give away music for free are the ones on top.
How? A ban on liquor is equated to a making music copying illegal
In that both of them were pretty much unenforcable.
"It's absurd to expect ordinary members of the public to think "
Really?
Well yeah I disagree there, in Canada we had a referendum regarding prohibition, which is asking the ordinary members of the public to vote on the issue. So the idea isn't absurd, though since Canada is many many many multitudes smaller than the states, it might be impractical there. I mean, our elections are over in 1 day.
I'll show myself out...
Please Doodoo.
From my understanding of evolution, I think its surprising that we'd put the central waste facility right next to the playground and manufacturing plant.
By that last sentence, I was referring to still voting for prohibition.
In Canada we have on the extremely rare occasion had Referendums dealing with important legislation. I believe the last national one we held was in 1992? And there are provincial ones every decade or so. We had one upon the subject of Prohibition in the 20's, which I think actually ended up passing, but was repealed shortly thereafter because of its unenforceable nature. Exactly what Mr Pink up there is saying.
But I disagree when he says
It's absurd to expect ordinary members of the public to think about what they're allowed to do [with CDs, digital downloads, etc]... and then ask themselves whether it's legal or not
No, I don't think it's absurd at all - in Canada we may have still ended up voting in favour of it (51.2 for and 48.8 against) - but at least its not a crazy idea to, you know, ASK the general public.
Probably just a miss-click. You'll notice Slashdot also gave him 40% Insightful, 30% Interesting and 30% Funny, yet somehow it shows up labelled as funny. Gotta love logic errors!
Depends, are you good at taking out heavies and sapping turrets?
Odd, I found this in my task manager...
Image Name | Username | CPU | Memory | Description .| 3 . . . | 13,900k | For the Motherland
rpt2kgb.exe| System . .
I guess I just never noticed it before now.
You've stumbled across a Russian Spy near Redmond!
has walls that measure about a square meter (nearly 9 square feet)
Is that really how American's say it?
1 meter = 3.2808399 feet. Wouldn't that make it ~3.2 Square feet? Or do you guys take off the square from the unit somehow, and apply it to the number, So a square meter would be 3.2808399 squared, or 10.76391044943201 (so closer to 11 feet than 9).
I just...
No seriously whats going on here?
The engine has already been created - and tested, it is faster than their current engine.
Yes, they hope to beat the best, and of course thats just marketting speak like all browsers do, but it's not like Firefox has set any goals and felt any backlash when they didn't meet them before.
Well it would be the SMART thing to do.
If they don't - I expect the stock price to keep dropping slowly but surely.
Please elaborate Why not?
You realize that's 5% JUST from the buzz around Apple, and doesn't even include the cost and repercussions after they preform a recall?
Yes, their stock price is still healthy.
Yes, after it's all said and done, they'll probably still be above what they were a year ago.
But these sort of things have far reaching consequences. Do you realize how many people buy Apple products because they "simply work"? This one unreliable product has planted the seed of doubt.
You know that "having a business account" isn't enough right? With most ISP's, you can't get a proper business line to run into a residential house.
So what, I have to lease a building in the industrial sector to get a business line? there is a point where it becomes unpractical.
I don't think that's much of a stretch at all, and its not as if the typical end user is going to know or care to secure their node.
The typical end user will need to forward the port on their standard dlink/linksys/walmart router. Not to mention, your computer won't respond on that port without something running that requires the port (so if you aren't hosting anything you can't be hit on that port anyways). Windows has had a firewall built into their OS for a long time now.
Ever notice how they can change position?
Yeah, you know I always wondered why the left one liked being on top.
If net neutrality was implemented it WILL WITH CERTAINTY increase internet costs for all users
Did it ever occur to you that some of us would be willing to pay more for untampered internet?
And it's not just about peer2peer tampering. It's about all traffic shaping - streaming videos, playing video games, etc. Some of us would like to have unrestricted access. We already put up with the bandwidth issues during high traffic times - but you'll still be shaped in low traffic times. (Which, we might add, there is more low and mid-low traffic times then there are high and mid-high traffic times).
You mention how Net Neutrality will offer more choices (those with tampering and those without). Currently, for most people, there are two options, Suck and suck harder.
How could more options be worse?
It's not a fickle phrase, Read it over again slowly.
'No [one] can block, interfere with, discriminate, hinder, nor restrict the right of any Internet user of using, send, receive or offer any content, application, or legitimate service through the Internet, as well as any activity or legitimate use conducted through the Internet.
(emphasis mine)
It is basically saying
No one can block/interfere/hinder/restrict anyone from using/sending/receiving/offering any content/application/legitimate-service/any-activity/legitimate-use of the internet.